[00:44] <radar> hello
[00:45] <EagleScreen> hi radar225
[00:45] <radar225> I found out my VNC problem but still no fix to be found yet
[00:45] <radar225> does anyone know how to get your ScreenSaver to disable when VNC is being used?
[00:47] <EagleScreen> only while VNC is in use?
[00:47] <radar225> problem = on remote desktop the screensaver instantly activates unless I move the mouse constantly
[00:48] <radar225> also VNC over Iphone is near imposible like that
[00:48] <EagleScreen> radar225: what if you disable screensaver?
[00:48] <radar225> with screensaver off it works fine
[00:49] <radar225> ohhh at first i didnt have screensaver installed untill i just got hom
[00:49] <radar225> so it was black screen I will let it time in and then try it
[02:13] <Daskreech> Riddell: You are a bastard :)
[02:13] <Daskreech> Riddell: "I know this may be controvertial with some parts of the community but we can have unity in our new desktop" Nice wording :)
[03:27] <hellder> olá
[04:56] <davesnothere1> any advice on getting bluetooth working on my system?
[05:06] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: what version are you running?
[05:07] <davesnothere1> 10.10
[05:08] <davesnothere1> Daskreech: 10.10
[05:11] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: ok KDE 4.5.2 then?
[05:14] <davesnothere1> Daskreech: new to Linux. How do I find that?
[05:15] <davesnothere1> disregard.
[05:15] <davesnothere1> KDE 4.5.1
[05:15] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: help -> about KDE in any app
[05:15] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: Welcome to Linux and KDE by the way :)
[05:15] <davesnothere1> thanks
[05:15] <davesnothere1> It's been very fun so far.
[05:15] <davesnothere1> just trying to get this Dell laptop working.
[05:17] <Daskreech> Ok I think that you may need Bluedevil
[05:18] <davesnothere1> that, and libbluedevil1 are already installed.
[05:24] <Daskreech> hmm ok
[05:24] <Daskreech> Never tried BT so lets see if we can figure this out
[05:24] <davesnothere1> The OS isn't even recognizing that I have BT on this box.
[05:24] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: what happens when you type bluetooth:/ in krunner?
[05:24] <davesnothere1> I'll check....never used krunner
[05:24] <Daskreech> oh that might be a deeper problem
[05:25] <Daskreech> alt+f2
[05:25] <Daskreech> you should get a little dropdown box
[05:25] <Daskreech> type bluetooth:/ there
[05:26] <davesnothere1> I get BlueDevil, then Adapters, then Devices, then File Transfer, but if I run anything I see no configurable or available adapters.
[05:29] <davesnothere1> and if I finish typing what you said.....Activity
[05:29] <Daskreech> ok
[05:29] <Daskreech> hmm
[05:29] <Daskreech> activity....
[05:29] <Daskreech> ok
[05:29] <Daskreech> What's under devices ?
[05:30] <davesnothere1> No adapters found
[05:34] <Erisianmonk23> hello
[05:36] <Erisianmonk23> why is it that everyone just fucking lurks in irc?
[05:38] <IdleOne> !language | Erisianmonk23
[05:38] <Erisianmonk23> sorry
[05:38] <Erisianmonk23> just expect people to be chatting in a chat room I guess
[05:39] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: Might need drivers then
[05:39] <Erisianmonk23> anywho I am having difficuly connecting my lucid box to the interwebs
[05:39] <Daskreech> Erisianmonk23: how does it connect?
[05:39] <Erisianmonk23> wireless
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> It was easy before, just autodetected after I set the wep and off to the races
[05:40] <davesnothere1> what kind of wireless adapter Erisianmonk23?
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> card
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> I couldn'
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> t
[05:41] <Erisianmonk23> tell you the make and model off the top of my head
[05:42] <Erisianmonk23> and I'm pretty new to linux so that doesn't help matters
[05:45] <davesnothere1> are you on the linux box now?
[05:45] <Erisianmonk23> no
[05:45] <davesnothere1> do you have access to it now?
[05:45] <Erisianmonk23> sitting right next to me
[05:46] <davesnothere1> go into Terminal and type lspci
[05:46] <davesnothere1> what kind of network controller do you have?
[05:48] <Erisianmonk23> RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
[05:51] <davesnothere1> I'm new to linux but if you had the same network card as I do I might have been able to help
[05:52] <Erisianmonk23> what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[05:59] <Erisianmonk23> I am using Kubuntu 10.04 and the GUI is all different from the ref material
[06:09] <Erisianmonk23> hello hello
[06:09] <Erisianmonk23> echo echo
[06:10] <noaXess> Erisianmonk23: good morning, what is really your probem?
[06:11] <noaXess> hey Daskreech still awake or get up early?
[08:00] <Sonic132> Anyone online that can help me?
[08:03] <Sonic132> Trying to get the Cricket USB modem (Cal-comp a600) to work with Kubuntu 10.04. But the guide I'm following isn't quite getting a connection to the internet. It get's it to show the signal bars though. Which is more than I got before.
[08:03] <Sonic132> Anyone help?
[08:05] <Sonic132> Anyone know how to install a Cricket A600 modem?
[09:44] <Kalidarn> hmm my cpu usage seems to be spiking abnormally but it doesn't show so in the processes table
[09:44] <Kalidarn> i think it's Xorg
[09:45] <Kalidarn> that seems to be taxing the CPU every so often but only shows like 5-10%
[09:45] <Kalidarn> the CPU table in System Load is spiking some cores to 100% sometimes
[09:45] <Kalidarn> my machine completely bogs down, im not sure if it's compositing, but i would have thought my machine was powerful enough, it's a i7 930 with 6GB of ram and a GeForce 470 GTX
[09:46] <Kalidarn> running off a OCZ Vertex 2 SSD
[09:47] <moetunes> Kalidarn:  tried with different vid card drivers?
[09:47] <Kalidarn> i'm using the proprietary ones
[09:47] <Kalidarn> maybe that' sthe issue.
[09:47] <moetunes> could be...
[09:48] <Kalidarn> ill try suspending desktop effects
[09:48] <Kalidarn> and see if it levels out
[09:49] <Kalidarn> is it normal for Xorg to say tax CPU 3% then 0
[09:49] <Kalidarn> then say 5% then 0
[09:49] <Kalidarn> seems to be just pulsing the CPU
[09:49] <Kalidarn> on and off
[09:49] <u19809> hi all, since my upgrade to 10.10 i have serious window focus problems.  often all of a sudden I cannot close windows anymore.  It looks as if the events are not sent to the window in focus.  Keyboard access is the only thing left (besides a restart of the desktop)
[09:49] <u19809> Any ideas ?
[09:53] <zghirc> where can i find the Kubuntu widgets?The link in the pennal didn't work.
[09:57] <Kalidarn> http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8837/cpuusage.png to me CPU usage like that does not seem normal
[09:58] <Kalidarn> http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5372/processtable.png yet the processes table doesn't really reveal any culprits
[09:59] <Kalidarn> http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4250/cpuusage2.png it did calm down though when i logged out and logged back in
[10:17] <nemptor> hello is this the chat room for ubuntu users?
[10:18] <Kalidarn> its the #kubuntu channel
[10:18] <Tm_T> #ubuntu for support questions and #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter
[10:18] <Tm_T> this, #kubuntu channel, is for kubuntu support generally (:
[10:19] <nemptor> ok this is the channel that is stated in the ubuntu site
[10:19] <nemptor> anyway can i ask questions here regarding my problem with my update manager?
[10:23] <Kalidarn> yeah my load average is all over the place
[10:23] <Kalidarn> for some strange reason
[10:55] <hellnest> any bug or stability issued on kubuntu 10.10?
[10:56] <hellnest> *issue i mean
[10:58] <Tm_T> hellnest: not that I know
[11:00] <elimental> Only problem I encountered is pulse audio with 5.1 sound
[11:00] <elimental> Only mutes front speakers when head phone pluged in... rest was smooth sailing
[11:14] <sa_> hello
[11:14] <hellnest> Hello
[11:16] <sa_> how can i switch from openoffice to office in kde? not remember how it called
[11:17] <hellnest> sa_: It's called Koffice. Just go to sypnatics package manager ( if it's installed ) and remove your open office and then install Koffice
[11:18] <sa_> thanks i'll try it now
[11:19] <hellnest> sa_: ok will waiting your report soon ^^
[11:19] <elimental> Oh
[11:20] <elimental> was thinking libreoffice....
[11:20] <elimental> was about to post http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/deb/ link :)
[11:21] <hellnest> lol.... :P he said regarding Office from KDE... Libre is open office fork... also there's another alternate from IBM " Symphony"
[11:21] <elimental> I hear a rumor *unutu will go libreoffice in 11.04
[11:22] <elimental> Hope its true
[11:24] <hellnest> yeah they will move to libreoffice for the next release :)
[11:24]  * hellnest is away: Doin some stuff
[11:41] <andeeeuk> hey
[11:41] <andeeeuk> im having a few problems with kde
[11:42] <andeeeuk> it seems as though kde crashed and restarted and now i am not able to enable desktop effects
[11:42] <andeeeuk> has anyone else had this problem?
[11:42] <elimental> nope..fx card?
[11:42] <andeeeuk> its an ati card
[11:43] <andeeeuk> i dont think it is an issue with the card itself though
[11:43] <elimental> noted
[11:44] <andeeeuk> cause games play ok
[11:44] <andeeeuk> but my windows manager really skrewed up
[11:44] <andeeeuk> really now good
[11:45] <elimental> tried moving .kde and relog to see if it works?
[11:45] <andeeeuk> ?
[11:46] <andeeeuk> ehats that?
[11:46] <andeeeuk> i installed it through my ubuntu system
[11:46] <andeeeuk> so that i could test it out and ubuntu is working perfectly as well
[11:47] <andeeeuk> just wanted the choice between multiple destops and was told the new kde was amazing
[11:47] <elimental> aaah and the plot thikens
[11:47] <andeeeuk> lol
[11:47] <elimental> what exactly did you install?
[11:48] <andeeeuk> well i installed the base kde packages then the kubuntu packages
[11:48] <elimental> Hope you installed Kubuntu plasma desktop system
[11:48] <elimental> In software manager in Ubuntu
[11:48] <andeeeuk> yeah i have that installed
[11:49] <elimental> you should have selected Kubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <andeeeuk> yeah
[11:49] <elimental> K
[11:49] <andeeeuk> well i installed through synaptic
[11:49] <elimental> should have been the same
[11:49] <andeeeuk> yeah
[11:51] <elimental> Only thing I can think to test is to move /home/$username$/.kde folder to say kdeback and try relogging
[11:51] <andeeeuk> im sure i have all the correct depencancies as i just let it get on with installing the whole of a standard kde system
[11:51] <andeeeuk> just renaming that folder?
[11:52] <elimental> yep
[11:52] <elimental> so KDE will create a new one
[11:52] <elimental> Might be that something went loopy
[11:53] <andeeeuk> im gussing i will just need to reboot after that then?
[11:53] <elimental> just log out and back in
[11:53] <andeeeuk> ok
[11:53] <andeeeuk> thanks
[11:53] <andeeeuk> ill give it a shot
[12:17] <thedog> hi all, someone may tell me why with a vodafone key I can connect my ubuntu 10.10 in a moment and with kubuntu 10.10 it won't work ???
[12:19] <thedog> I've read about a software of betavine to install, but if i've not another connection to download that software I can use the only as dart
[13:09] <Hedron> hi everybody, I have a issue with kubunut 10.10 and intel video whandering if anybody can help
[13:10] <Hedron> there is massive screen coruption when using any application
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:46] <EvilRoey> hi
[14:47] <EvilRoey> how do I find a window's process ID?  I have a blank rectangle in the middle of my screen.  I did 'xwininfo' to try and find information about it and found out it's Chromium, but xwininfo does not give me its pid..
[14:50] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, try applications/system monitor , you can stop or kill the process there too
[14:56] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  see I don't know which chromium process it is, and I only have one multi-tabbed window open.
[14:56] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  thanks though
[14:56] <EvilRoey> this is so stupid... xwininfo needs to show pid too
[15:02] <moetunes> EvilRoey:  try   pidof Chromium   the first opened will have the lowest number
[15:02] <EvilRoey> ah cool thanks
[15:03] <EvilRoey> moetunes:  In the end, I closed it after evaluating all the tabs
[15:03] <moetunes> heh :]
[15:03] <EvilRoey> moetunes:  can pidof return multiple values for multiple processes sharing the same name?
[15:04] <moetunes> it should
[15:04] <EvilRoey> moetunes:  also, is the 'moe' in your nickname from japanese animation
[15:04] <moetunes> EvilRoey:  no more like mo' tunes
[15:04] <EvilRoey> ohhhh got it
[15:04] <EvilRoey> cool
[15:07] <node808> thats disappointing..I thought it was like moet...like the champagne and unes....like unez
[15:08]  * node808 puts on his ghetto thinking cap
[15:08] <node808> oh now it makes sense
[16:19] <juseris> hello everyone
[16:52] <gaddd> hi everyone
[16:53] <gaddd> i want to install kubuntu via the sudo get-apt command in ubuntu 10.10
[16:53] <gaddd> however it says package not found
[16:53] <gaddd> help
[16:53] <gaddd> thanks :)
[16:53] <gvandeweyer> hi, I'm looking for a way to run a X11 program (vmplayer in this case) on a remote machine, without forwarding the X11 part.  sort of as a service for a program that can not be started headless. and it should continue after connection loss of ssh
[16:54] <gvandeweyer> is this possible?  unset DISPLAY will not let the program start afterwards
[16:54] <EagleScreen_> gaddd: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:55] <gaddd> thanks a lot EagleScreen_ :)
[16:58] <gvandeweyer> nobody has any suggestions? :-)
[17:08] <dhalsimm> hi, i use twitter with the microblogging plasma widget, but when i clicked on a link, it opens with scribes text editor? ican't find configuration about it
[17:50] <sa_> it works thanks to all
[17:55] <kedare> Hi all
[17:56] <kedare> I have a little problem with Kubuntu, the buttons that control backlights don't works (theys works fine under Ubuntu/Gnome)
[17:56] <kedare> When I use them, the backlight control appear on the screen, but I can't change it
[18:03] <urgen> I should turn off joins and parts for this window
[18:03] <urgen> otherwise I never see the topic
[18:04] <urgen> oh no.. last time I tried this on quassel I think it bogged the system down too much
[18:06] <urgen> wow, most of them were disconnects
[18:06] <urgen> the internet still has a long way to go
[18:42] <kedare> Petite question, vous avez le temps avant décharge sur l'applet de batterie vous ?
[18:43] <Tm_T> !fr | kedare
[18:43] <kedare> ubottu: oups sorry
[18:44] <kedare> Tm_T: sorry, bad tab ;)
[18:55] <spirov92> hi, I just installed kubuntu on a HP 4520s, and I'm having trouble with the touchpad. It is supposed to support multitouch, but 2/3-finger taps and 2-finger scroll don't work
[18:55] <spirov92> I've turned them on in system settings, of course
[18:56] <spirov92> can anyone help?
[18:57] <urgen> have you done your homework?
[18:57] <urgen> is there anyone that has developed multitouch in linux?
[18:57] <urgen> sounds kinda newwave
[18:58] <urgen> most proprietary devices have to be reverse engineered to get them to work in linux
[18:58] <spirov92> urgen: two-finger scroll worked on a much older laptop, which didn't even claim to have multitouch
[18:58] <urgen> hmn
[18:59] <spirov92> what's the difference between kde-config-touchpad(which is installed by default) and kde-config-synaptiks? it seems they can't be installed at the same time
[18:59] <spirov92> meaning when I try to install one, the other is marked for deletion
[19:04] <user5v> hello, how to draw a freehand line in kword on kubuntu 10.10 amd64? If I press a straight line will shown (and if If I release the stylus (a.e. mouse, tablet) there is nothing - I think because the color settings)
[19:04] <user5v> but even with the right color settings I have to enter some points with the mouse/stylus then I see something, but I want draw freehand while pressing mouse/stylus
[19:05] <user5v> what went wrong? thanks
[19:05] <urgen> user download openoffice
[19:06] <urgen> spirov92, is the touchpad on the hp4520 made by synaptics?
[19:07] <spirov92> wait, I'll check
[19:07] <spirov92> urgen: seems so.
[19:09] <urgen> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/hp+probook+4520s
[19:11] <urgen> hmn does your model have ATI graphics?
[19:12] <spirov92> urgen: can't find anything about the touchpad
[19:12] <urgen> ya
[19:12] <spirov92> and yeah, it has a "ati radeon" sticker
[19:12] <urgen> so branch to other models of laptops that may have the same hardware
[19:15]  * KillJoy is away: Per ora assente
[19:16] <Tm_T> !away > KillJoy
[19:19] <urgen> so.. it's looking like you would want to find a way to get in touch with developers in charge of that section of kubuntu and see if they haven't already scheduled attention on your concern. If not submit a request
[19:19] <urgen> if they have it may show up in a month or three or so
[19:19] <spirov92> hmm, switched to the synaptiks package, it says my touchpad can only detect one finger...
[19:35]  * KillJoy is back.
[20:49] <ubuntu_> test
[20:54] <BluesKaj> ok, now we're rockin' . I swapped the graphics cards  on the linux machines .Altho the 8400gs has a lower fps on the 42" tv it's still enough , 100fps at full res full scrn vs 300 fps with the 7600gt on the 22" monitor full res full scrn using glxgears.
[21:04] <BluesKaj> anyway, naptime
[21:12] <aslaen> anyone seen hawkwind lately?
[21:32] <sresu> Themes downloaded for Login screen are not reflecting in the Themes slection tab. What's wrong?
[21:32] <sresu> System Settings Version 1.0 Using KDE Development Platform 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)
[21:49] <westmi> sup channel I cant find power settings for monitor
[21:50] <westmi> so insted of screensaver it powers off monitor
[21:59] <tsimpson> westmi: system settings -> power management
[22:02] <mahasamoot> sorry to be a bother, I've googled and come up empty handed
[22:03] <mahasamoot> I've just installed 10.10, and I'm looking for the option that lets you define accations for the corners of the screen
[22:04] <mahasamoot> id est, put your mouse pointer in one corner, and see all open windows, put it in another and get the desktop cube ....
[22:07] <lunitik> Hello, it says on Riddell's blog that Kubuntu is switching to Unity? Is this a joke or something?
[22:08] <Kalidarn> unity?
[22:08] <lunitik> Kalidarn: the new Ubuntu interface
[22:08] <apparle> hi
[22:09] <Kalidarn> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Unity hmm
[22:09] <Kalidarn> isnt that for netbooks
[22:09] <lunitik> Kalidarn: the Kubuntu wiki seems to mirror the Ubuntu wiki with the Kubuntu theme...
[22:09] <Kalidarn> oh lol.
[22:09] <lunitik> Kalidarn: no, they are changing the desktop to it also... where have you been?  :P
[22:09] <Kalidarn> mmmmm
[22:09] <mahasamoot> never mind, I just found it, it's under window behavoir
[22:10] <Kalidarn> lunitik: please link i want to read about this
[22:10] <lunitik> Riddell: you about?
[22:10] <apparle> kubuntu is changing to unity...... nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[22:11] <lunitik> Kalidarn: http://voices.canonical.com/user/53/
[22:11] <lunitik> Apparently Kubuntu is going to be Unity+Plasma... although I don't understand how that will work at all
[22:12] <Anj> When VLC can't play a DVD that Kaffeine can play, is there anything I can do? Likewise for an m4v file that only VLC can play...
[22:12] <lunitik> Unity basically only offers what Plasma does, so idgi
[22:12] <Kalidarn> lunitik: are you sure for normal desktop they're going to do that
[22:12] <lunitik> Kalidarn: yes, its all over every tech site related to Linux atm
[22:13] <apparle> damn it. I thought kubuntu was all about KDE as it is
[22:13] <Kalidarn> i kinda like the menustrip actually being the window border
[22:13] <Kalidarn> that's a cool idea
[22:13] <lunitik> Anj: you have libdvdcss installed from the Ubuntu Multimedia repo?
[22:13] <Anj> yes
[22:14] <lunitik> Anj: then they should both work fine
[22:14] <Kalidarn> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5105537204_ee7e0c150a_b.jpg if that image is anything to go by
[22:14] <apparle> If kubuntu and ubuntu are alike, then what's the point? in keeping two distros?
[22:14] <Anj> lunitik, I have w32codecs, libdvdcss and everything. it's just that I need both kaffeine and VLC because neither one plays everything. :/
[22:14] <lunitik> apparle: perhaps that's the point... I mean, Zimmerman - head of tech for Canonical - just came out saying how he loves Qt... maybe they're coming together?
[22:15] <Kalidarn> oh that would be nice if they did
[22:15] <apparle> maybe maybe not
[22:15] <Kalidarn> i love Qt too :P
[22:15] <apparle> I always loved the fact that kubuntu was not for really dumb people.
[22:15] <edulix> can I download a kubuntu iso with all current updates inside?
[22:15] <Riddell> lunitik: not really
[22:16] <Kalidarn> (07:45:38) apparle: I always loved the fact that kubuntu was not for really dumb people.
[22:16] <Kalidarn> if by that you mean KDE has had usability issues in the past
[22:16] <Kalidarn> i hardly doubt that is the same thing
[22:16] <apparle> Kalidarn: no
[22:16] <lunitik> Riddell: Care to explain how Kubuntu will be using Unity? I don't really understand and can find nothing on the subject via the wiki or internet
[22:16] <Kalidarn> gnome changes were much more conservative
[22:17] <Kalidarn> i don't consider myself a dumb person but I stopped using Kubuntu around 6.04
[22:17]  * lunitik loves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw which is entirely Qt (heavily utilizing QML)
[22:17] <apparle> I meant that, kubuntu and KDE are for power users. There you have lots and lots of options and not just some default options and nothing else
[22:17] <Kalidarn> doesn't maemo use Qt heaps?
[22:18] <Kalidarn> i do like plasma folderview
[22:18] <lunitik> Kalidarn: Maemo doesn't exist anymore... Maemo and Moblin merged into MeeGo, which that video shows off
[22:18] <apparle> guys don't drift, Qt is awesome but what is happening to kubuntu
[22:18] <Kalidarn> ah
[22:18] <Kalidarn> meego looks like macosx lion
[22:18] <lunitik> apparle: if Riddell is too busy to elaborate, we can't really continue that discussion
[22:19] <lunitik> Kalidarn: not really, but I can see why you might say that
[22:19] <apparle> if kubuntu and ubuntu have same desktop interfaces then lets just remove the K
[22:19] <apparle> :(
[22:19] <apparle> :'(
[22:19] <Kalidarn> i doubt that it would be like that at all
[22:19] <apparle> lets hope
[22:20] <lunitik> apparle: I'm sure it'll still utilize KDE apps
[22:20] <Kalidarn> yeah
[22:20] <apparle> I suppose maybe in 2-3 years ubuntu will shift to gnome
[22:20] <apparle> it should rather
[22:20] <Kalidarn> lol what are you going on about
[22:20] <Riddell> lunitik: it won't, we use KDE
[22:20] <Kalidarn> ubuntu is already gnome
[22:20] <lunitik> apparle: Ubuntu is shifting away from Gnome it seems
[22:21] <apparle> sorry
[22:21] <apparle> I wanted to say kde
[22:21] <apparle> :P
[22:21] <Kalidarn> kde has become more stable and is really set up nicely ;)
[22:21] <Kalidarn> more stability and it will be awesome
[22:21] <lunitik> Riddell: Then how come your blog says you're dropping KDE and using Unity?
[22:21] <Kalidarn> because to be honest im not impressed by gnome 3
[22:21] <Kalidarn> i think it includes a bunch of wank
[22:22] <lunitik> Riddell: just a pun based on how Plasma is actually what people believe KDE is?
[22:22] <apparle> I was happy that by KDE 4.5 kubuntu will be awesomely stable, but now comes unity
[22:22] <Kalidarn> i like kickoff way more than i like their menu
[22:22] <Riddell> lunitik: it says the branding changed from KDE Desktop to Plasma Workspace (made by KDE)
[22:23] <Kalidarn> actually ive wondered why the kickoff menu still has a KDE icon and not a kubuntu one actually
[22:23] <apparle> even if unity is superawesome then also it will not be stable, so again we have to suffer instability like in intrepid
[22:23] <lunitik> Riddell: ahh, you scared me when I first read your blog... lol
[22:23] <apparle> Kalidarn: I read an article somwhere on it
[22:23] <Kalidarn> they changed the gnome foot to an ubunu logo
[22:24] <Kalidarn> that said i like the K gear
[22:24] <Kalidarn> it is cool
[22:24] <Kalidarn> it would make a good tatoo
[22:24] <Kalidarn> *tattoo
[22:25] <Kalidarn> now i should figure out why kdelibs won't compile on my mac :P
[22:31] <apparle> Riddell: I seriously suggest you change the wordings in your blog..... you scared me......
[22:32] <Riddell> apparle: well it's ment to do that on first reading but become clear on second reading, maybe not everyone does that second reading
[22:32] <apparle> Riddell: :)
[22:41] <teadict> can I ecryptf-umount my home partition from live kubuntu?
[22:42]  * Torch is reminded of "no more desktop icons"
[23:00] <lieuwe> hey, to write scripts for konversation i need to use dcop, but the python-dcop package doesnt seem to exist, any sugestions?
[23:01] <Torch> lieuwe: kde4?
[23:02] <lieuwe> Torch: eh, dunno :P, probably
[23:03] <lieuwe> Torch: no idea how to interface with konversation without dcop...
[23:03] <Kalidarn> i think your supposed to use dbus now
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: kde4 does not use dcop anymore
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: use dbus.
[23:03] <lieuwe> Torch: ooohkey
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: google helps ;-)
[23:03] <lieuwe> ...
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: qdbus shows you what an app can do.
[23:04] <Kalidarn> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-faq.html#dcop
[23:06] <lieuwe> Torch: next problem, wtf is the well known name for konversation? cant find it on google
[23:10] <Torch> lieuwe: konversation is konversation.
[23:10] <lieuwe> okay
[23:10] <lieuwe> :-3
[23:10] <Torch> lieuwe: i don't see why you're asking that. use qdbus to query konversation what it offers via dbus
[23:10] <Torch> lieuwe: there's also #konversation
[23:12] <lieuwe> Torch: #konversation is pretty much dead, qdbus gives me an error
[23:12] <Torch> lieuwe: #konversation definitely is not dead
[23:12] <Torch> lieuwe: it might be quiet right now. show some patience.
[23:12] <Torch> lieuwe: what's the error you're getting?
[23:13] <lieuwe> Torch: http://pastebin.com/rSj0REQh
[23:14] <apparle> how to update from lucid to maverick from command line?
[23:14] <Torch> lieuwe: this is from just plain calling qdbus on a shell prompt without args?
[23:14] <lieuwe> no, i was being silly, got it :-3
[23:15] <apparle> !update
[23:16] <apparle> !upgrade
[23:17] <apparle> Isn't there any command line way to do upgrade?
[23:17] <Torch> apparle: there is. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:18] <apparle> Torch: that's it? is that what an update does? just the list and then pkg update?
[23:18] <Torch> apparle: yes.
[23:18] <Torch> apparle: this is debian ;-)
[23:19] <apparle> that is simple
[23:19] <apparle> I mean if packages install well :P
[23:19] <bazhang> Torch, apparle thats not the recommended nor supported method
[23:19] <apparle> bazhang: what is recommended then?
[23:19] <bazhang> apparle, you running a server?
[23:19] <apparle> no
[23:20] <apparle> bazhang: but I hate kpackagekit
[23:20] <bazhang> apparle, read the upgrade link yet?
[23:20] <apparle> bazhang: ya
[23:20] <Torch> bazhang: what's wrong with itß
[23:20] <Torch> bazhang: what's wrong with it?
[23:20] <FloodBotK2> Torch: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:20] <apparle> it shows gui only method?
[23:20] <bazhang> Torch, its not supported nor recommended, so please dont recommend it here, thanks.
[23:21] <Torch> bazhang: again, what is wrong with it?
[23:21] <Torch> bazhang: do you understand what it does?
[23:21] <bazhang> Torch, of course. lets move on please
[23:21] <apparle> bazhang any ideas for me
[23:21] <Torch> apparle: just use apt-get and be done with it.
[23:22] <apparle> Torch: ohhh come on.. don't be stubborn, let me see the recommended method
[23:22] <Torch> apparle: i have no idea what (k)ubuntu recommend
[23:22] <Torch> apparle: it's how debian-based distributions are being updated.
[23:22] <apparle> bazhang: ?
[23:23] <viliny_> Hello!
[23:24] <viliny_> i have some questions - be it kde or gnome - is there any way to reduce the size of the header of windowses - the part that shows window name and buttons? running on a netbook here and i could use the screen space
[23:24] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20Kubuntu%20Desktops%20%28Recommended%29  apparle
[23:25] <viliny_> also, is there a way to pretend use a largers resolution running above what the netbook supports natively with some screen compression?
[23:26] <apparle> bazhang: it sends me here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu which doesn't suggest any non gui method
[23:27] <apparle> viliny_: are you aware of the netbook edition?
[23:27] <viliny_> yes i am
[23:27] <viliny_> in fact i have that installed
[23:27] <viliny_> but this is a question that i also had from using my desktops and laptop - unnecessarily large borders
[23:27] <apparle> :P I don't know anything else..... never used a netbook myself
[23:28] <apparle> viliny_: I also have noticed that in case of KDE,
[23:28] <apparle> viliny_: but it is the way it looks so, I don't think it can be changed
[23:29] <viliny_> aww
[23:30] <apparle> viliny_: but don't take my word because I have not made it :P Maybe you can find a theme with slimer border etc
[23:38] <apparle> viliny_: have you tried meego
[23:38] <apparle> viliny_: not exactly ready for primetime but seems good from screen shots
[23:39] <viliny_> my phone has maemo :)