[10:43] <nigelb> AlanBell: Lovely email about unity :)
[10:43] <nigelb> Especially <3 the followup ;)
[10:54] <AlanBell> :)
[10:55] <AlanBell> it was a reasonable question that will come up a lot over this cycle I expect
[10:56] <AlanBell> we need to a) answer the question and b) defuse the hostility
[11:13] <UndiFineD> on the orca mailing list they were panicing about ubuntu gnome support "being dropped"
[11:14] <Pendulum> it's not being dropped!
[11:14] <Pendulum> especially not the accessibility support!
[11:14] <UndiFineD> I told them de cdimage package plans to integrate unity and gnome on the same disc
[11:14] <Pendulum> yes
[11:14] <Pendulum> because older machines can't handle Unity
[11:14] <Pendulum> and also it means for people who don't like unity, it'll be easy to switch back to gnome desktop
[11:15] <Pendulum> in fact, one thing we've discussed is that Gnome Shell will have the same issue and have to support both as well
[11:16] <AlanBell> morning Pendulum 
[11:18] <Pendulum> AlanBell: so I'm meeting with Charline at noon local time. thought you'd want to know ;-)
[11:19] <AlanBell> great
[11:22] <UndiFineD> one nick change and 20 channels are lit
[11:23] <Pendulum> :)
[12:06] <Pendulum> AlanBell: did you ever get around to checking askubuntu.com using orca?
[12:07] <AlanBell> err no
[12:07] <AlanBell> I did restart with orca
[12:07] <AlanBell> and unity started up and I got all distracted by figuring that out
[12:07] <Pendulum> ah
[12:08] <Pendulum> any chance you could get to it before 21:15 BST?
[12:10] <AlanBell> TIMEOUT: something has hung.  Aborting.
[12:10] <AlanBell> orca is not happy :(
[12:10] <Pendulum> in general or with askubuntu?
[12:10] <AlanBell> in general
[12:10] <Pendulum> unity?
[12:11] <AlanBell> not sure what is causing it, but I will try and get it running
[12:11] <AlanBell> however orca will work on the website I should think
[12:11] <AlanBell> the issue is whether they have done good keyboard navigation for the site
[12:13] <Pendulum> well it is javascript
[12:16] <AlanBell> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/5207/stackoverflow-accessibility-with-screen-reading-software
[12:17] <AlanBell> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/accessibility
[12:18] <AlanBell> so it seems there are users of the stack overflow sites who use screenreaders
[12:19] <Pendulum> yes, but not easily or well
[12:19] <AlanBell> it uses javascript to put things on the page, but once they are there it is just html
[12:20] <AlanBell> yes, seems they broke it for screenreaders and may or may not have fixed it by now
[12:20] <Pendulum> and there is the one about the major regression
[12:20] <Pendulum> yeah
[12:27] <AlanBell> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/68898/how-accessible-are-the-stack-exchange-sites-for-users-of-screen-reader-software
[12:29] <UndiFineD> well, orca does not even read the question you have asked
[12:32] <UndiFineD> and then I got logged out suddenly
[18:40] <AlanBell> I am quite impressed by the deuteranopia compiz filter
[18:40] <AlanBell> there are some things like my irssi setup where channel names just dissappear for the colour blind
[18:57] <UndiFineD> that can be a good thing