[01:57] <_spacer_> hi again
[01:57] <_spacer_> any one familiar with ssl/ssh vnc and vnc4server?
[02:05] <_spacer_> anyone?
[02:21] <_spacer_> any one familiar with ssl/ssh vnc and vnc4server?
[02:25] <aveilleux> _spacer_: If someone knows the answer then they will reply. I am familiar with SSH, but not vnc4server.
[04:24] <barabajagal> anyone have a good recomendation for a netbook to get that either has or can upgrade to the new netbook version?
[04:24] <stlsaint> barabajagal: a netbook that can upgrade to a new netbook??
[04:24] <stlsaint> you talking hardware here?
[04:25] <barabajagal> want to buy a netbook, but want to be able to get the new ubuntu netbook version
[04:25] <Cheri703> www.zareason.com
[04:26] <stlsaint> Cheri703: aye, good your aware of that site
[04:26]  * Cheri703 has a zareason netbook
[04:26] <Cheri703> they're AWESOME
[04:26] <Cheri703> the company itself
[04:26]  * aveilleux clutches his eyes
[04:27] <aveilleux> so many redirects
[04:27] <stlsaint> hehe
[04:33] <barabajagal> arrgh... they be notebooks, not netbooks
[04:34] <Cheri703> terra hd is a netbook
[04:36] <barabajagal> any reason why I couldn't get this one and then just do an install of the new version?
[04:36] <barabajagal> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=BLK-BNB-1021&cm_mmc=GoogleProducts-_-Laptops/Notebooks-_-NetBooks-_-BLK-BNB-1021&utm_source=GoogleProducts&utm_medium=ShoppingSites&utm_campaign=BLK-BNB-1021&zmam=2003677&zmas=15&zmac=159&zmap=BLK-BNB-1021
[04:37] <aveilleux> barabajagal: This is a much better resource for you. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
[04:38] <barabajagal> wow... thanks!
[05:06] <karthick87> I need a help configuring postfix
[05:06] <karthick87> can someone help me
[05:07] <stlsaint> karthick87: postfix?
[05:08] <stlsaint> i probably am useless to ya
[05:08] <karthick87> Ya postfix
[05:10] <bioterror> karthick87, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[05:10] <karthick87> I have already go through that link
[05:13] <karthick87> I have configured already...How to verify that my smtp server is working properly..?
[05:14] <aveilleux> karthick87: Try to send something from it?
[05:15] <bioterror> karthick87, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix#Testing
[05:15] <karthick87> I have send a mail to my gmail account,but i dont receive it even in spam folder
[05:53] <slooksterpsv> is anyone here
[05:54] <karthick87> yeah]
[05:54] <aveilleux> !ask | slooksterpsv
[05:54] <ubot2> slooksterpsv: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[05:54] <slooksterpsv> ok we loaded a driver with ndiswrapper, but when we reboot we have to issue ifconfig wlan0 up to get the driver to work, should we just add ifconfig wlan0 up to the /etc/network/interfaces or do we need to do something else?
[05:56] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: You shouldn't have to do that... did you add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules?
[05:56] <slooksterpsv> it did for us with: ndiswrapper -i
[05:56] <slooksterpsv> or -m one of the two
[05:57] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: it is a pcmcia card, wireless, and yeah not sure what else we can do ... on a reboot ndiswrapper -l shows it's installed
[05:58] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: ndiswrapper -m should have done that... hm. Pastebin the output of the Terminal command: cat /etc/modules.conf
[05:58] <aveilleux> !pastebin | slooksterpsv
[05:58] <ubot2> slooksterpsv: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[05:58] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: I know how to use pastebin
[05:58] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: Just making sure ;-)
[05:59] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: can you join #lubuntu - I'm helping someone out there regarding the issue
[05:59] <aveilleux> Er, okay
[06:02] <karthick87> Can someone tell me,how to access a remote desktop..?
[06:02] <aveilleux> karthick87: What OS is the remote system running?
[06:03] <karthick87> windows 7
[06:03] <aveilleux> karthick87: What version?
[06:03] <aveilleux> karthick87: By that I mean Home, Pro, Enterprise, etc
[06:04] <shahan> Grab lost due to windows installation
[06:04] <shahan> now want to recover using Startup disk
[06:04] <shahan> on MAVERICK
[06:04] <karthick87> Windows 7 home premium
[06:04] <shahan> its Windows XP
[06:05] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: it contains just: lp  in modules
[06:05] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: I saw that
[06:05] <shahan> its a live startup disk using Remastersys creation
[06:05] <slooksterpsv> karthick87: run mstsc in the run field or the start search
[06:06] <slooksterpsv> karthick87: oops not how to run remote desktop but how to remote desktop sorry read that wrong
[06:06] <aveilleux> karthick87: Windows 7 Home Premium cannot be connected to from a Windows Terminal Services client (that is, Remote Desktop.) http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7install/thread/0cb69a49-868b-47e0-a760-1a16567413bc
[06:06] <shahan> Its here what have I done http://paste.ubuntu.com/521875/
[06:06] <slooksterpsv> karthick87: I would recommend installing a VNC viewer or TeamViewer - TeamViewer is nice; VNC is great cause you can have it as a server type deal
[06:07] <slooksterpsv> *VNC Server gah, VNC Viewer is how you view the server, I cannot type tonight I'll be quiet in here
[06:07] <aveilleux> karthick87: As slooksterpsv mentioned, alternatives exist like VNC (free, open-source) and TeamViewer (free, closed-source but much easier to set up)
[06:08] <karthick87> what about ssh..?
[06:08] <slooksterpsv> karthick87: there is an openssh server for Windows, let me see if I can find it for you
[06:09] <aveilleux> karthick87: SSH is text-mode login, and it is not available on Windows by default. You can't do much on Windows if you log in through Terminal, though.
[06:09] <aveilleux> karthick87: Windows' command line isn't very powerful.
[06:09] <karthick87> i am running ubuntu 10.04 i want to access windows 7 remotely
[06:09] <slooksterpsv> karthick87: the powershell is though =D
[06:09] <aveilleux> karthick87: Is this your machine?
[06:09] <slooksterpsv> oops aveilleux - the powershell is though
[06:09] <karthick87> Yes its my machine
[06:09] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: You can't log into PowerShell remotely, aiaik
[06:09] <aveilleux> afaik*
[06:10] <aveilleux> karthick87: The easiest thing to do would be to set up TeamViewer. It's simple, secure, and it runs on Windows, GNU/Linux and OSX.
[06:10] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: lets find out... I know you can on server editions cause thats how it connects to the mailboxes when doing active directory with the plugins for oh whats it called
[06:10] <aveilleux> karthick87: http://teamviewer.com/
[06:10] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: This is Home Premium we're talking about.
[06:10] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: The thing doesn't even ship with PowerShell.
[06:11] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: you can install powershell on it though
[06:11] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: if you have internet
[06:11] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: Can, yes, but for this person's purposes I do not believe it is necesary.
[06:11] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: sorry to be OT, but yeah the .NET scripting for Powershell is horrendous
[06:16] <Drecondius> I need help with getting a belking wireless n basic model f7d1101 adapter working i have searched and searched and cannot for the life of me find anything useful
[06:17] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Have you tried using ndiswrapper?
[06:17] <Drecondius> Yes
[06:17] <Drecondius> the adapter has no power
[06:17] <Drecondius> but it is listed when i use lsusb
[06:18] <aveilleux> Drecondius: How do you know the device has no power?
[06:18] <Drecondius> no light
[06:18] <aveilleux> Drecondius: That just means the device isn't in use.
[06:18] <Drecondius> i was just about to correct myself lol
[06:18] <aveilleux> Drecondius: What directions did you follow when you installed ndiswrapper?
[06:19] <Drecondius> i installed it through synaptic, browsed the cd, copied the particular driver folder to my hd pointed the wrapper to the inf file
[06:19] <Drecondius> and now the wrapper won't even show
[06:20] <Drecondius> it was a 64bit driver btw since im  using an x64 environment
[06:20] <aveilleux> Drecondius: what do you mean, "pointed the wrapper to the inf file"?
[06:20] <aveilleux> Drecondius: You mean you ran ndiswrapper -i <inf_file>?
[06:21] <Drecondius> no it was using a gui
[06:21] <aveilleux> Drecondius: ...the ndiswrapper GUI is horrendous, to say the least. What version of Windows did you take the drivers from?
[06:22] <Drecondius> the first one was xp64
[06:22] <Drecondius> and i haven't gotten the gui to work since
[06:22] <Drecondius> so if i can do this through the terminal im ALL for it
[06:23] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Where are the drivers located?
[06:23] <Drecondius> buried 2 folders deep in my home directory
[06:24] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Take the drivers themselves (the inf files and whatever else) and drop them into a folder on your desktop called "driver"
[06:24] <aveilleux> Drecondius: I'm asking you to do this so there are no unknowns in my instructions.
[06:25] <Drecondius> done
[06:26] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Open Terminal, type "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper" (without the quotes)
[06:26] <aveilleux> Drecondius: This should come up with something like "already installed", but I'm just making sure
[06:26] <Drecondius> unable to locate package ndiswrapper
[06:27] <Drecondius> lemme try one more time
[06:27] <aveilleux> ...hm
[06:27] <aveilleux> Drecondius: try ndisgtk instead
[06:28] <Drecondius> already installed
[06:28] <Drecondius> lol
[06:28] <Drecondius> ok
[06:29] <aveilleux> Drecondius: How much do you know about Terminal?
[06:29] <Drecondius> well enough to  botch a video driver installation and fix it
[06:30] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Okay, so I can assume you know what I mean when I say "navigate to ~/Desktop/driver"
[06:30] <Drecondius> yup
[06:30] <aveilleux> m'k
[06:30] <Drecondius> next
[06:31] <Drecondius> i know a few basic commands if that helps out if i am confused ill ask
[06:31] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Okay, so you're in that folder?
[06:31] <Drecondius> in the terminal yup
[06:31] <aveilleux> Drecondius: What is the name of the inf file? (case-sensitive)
[06:32] <Drecondius> all lowercase but net8192su.inf
[06:32] <Drecondius> also another inf file
[06:32] <Drecondius> but i think it's for the windows installer
[06:33] <aveilleux> Drecondius: There are inf files and .sys files in there, right?
[06:34] <Drecondius> the files are as follows : EAPInstall.exe (windows), eappkt.sys, net8192su.inf, rtl8192su.sys, net8192su.cat, and EAPPkt.inf
[06:35] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Okay. run  sudo ndiswrapper -i net8192su.inf
[06:36] <Drecondius> says it's already installed but that would be the x64 version that it crashed on, how do i remove that
[06:36] <Drecondius> and point it back to this one
[06:37] <aveilleux> Drecondius: pastebin the output of "ndiswrapper -l"
[06:37] <aveilleux> !pastebin | Drecondius
[06:37] <ubot2> Drecondius: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[06:39] <Drecondius> event not found
[06:40] <aveilleux> Drecondius: "event"?
[06:40] <Drecondius> let me try again
[06:41] <Drecondius> bash: !pastebin: event not found
[06:41] <aveilleux> Drecondius: No, no, copy the text from the Terminal (select text, then right-click and hit "copy")
[06:41] <aveilleux> Drecondius: then paste it into the box at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[06:42] <Drecondius> well minor issue atm i have a clear terminal
[06:42] <aveilleux> ..what
[06:43] <Drecondius> the onlything i have showing right now is j@gerald-Dell-XPS-600:
[06:43] <Drecondius> then on to my driver folder
[06:43] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Well run the command ndiswrapper -l
[06:43] <aveilleux> Drecondius: then copy the output and paste it into pastebin
[06:44] <Drecondius> ok
[06:45] <Drecondius> assuming that's an L I am waiting on it to print something
[06:46] <Drecondius> It's not doing anything but sitting there with a flashing box
[06:48] <aveilleux> hm. is the whole command lower-case?
[06:49] <Drecondius> it would seem that all of the switches for ndiswrapper are
[06:50] <aveilleux> Drecondius: They are, I'm just making sure. Press Ctrl-c to cancel the command.
[06:50] <Drecondius> and it is using the same font that i'm seeing in this window
[06:50] <Drecondius> ok
[06:51] <aveilleux> Drecondius: This is odd... try running "ndiswrapper -l >> output && gedit output" (without the quotes of course)
[06:51] <Drecondius> ok here's the deal i used ndiswrapper -r (filename) and it said the file didn't exist
[06:51] <aveilleux> Drecondius: There is no -r switch from what I can see....
[06:53] <aveilleux> Drecondius: What happened when you ran that command?
[06:54] <Drecondius> repeat that command please
[06:55] <aveilleux> ndiswrapper -l >> output && gedit output
[06:56] <Drecondius> nothing
[06:57] <aveilleux> Drecondius: ...nothing at all? Like, the text editor doesn't open?
[06:57] <Drecondius>  nope just sits there
[06:57] <aveilleux> Drecondius: ctrl+c again
[06:57] <Drecondius> ok
[06:57] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Close and re-open Terminal, I think it's hanging on a previous command
[06:58] <Drecondius> ok fresh terminal
[06:58] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Enter that command again
[06:59] <Drecondius> it's still hanging like it isn't finding anything
[07:00] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Hrm! Well, try this: sudo apt-get purge ndiswrapper  followed by sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[07:00] <aveilleux> Drecondius: This will completely remove and reinstall ndiswrapper
[07:00] <aveilleux> er,
[07:00] <aveilleux> no
[07:00] <aveilleux> sudo apt-get purge ndiswrapper-common
[07:01] <aveilleux> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[07:02] <Drecondius> done
[07:02] <Drecondius> brb bio
[07:02] <aveilleux> Drecondius: That was fast. Okay,w-- okay.
[07:03] <Drecondius> sorry mmo talk
[07:03] <Drecondius> im back though
[07:04] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Heh, I understood it :P In any case!
[07:04] <aveilleux> Drecondius: now try running just ndiswrapper without any flags
[07:04] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Do you get any output?
[07:07] <Drecondius> gives me a list of command flags
[07:07] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Good, that means ndiswrapper is responding. Now see if you get any output with ndiswrapper -l
[07:08] <Drecondius> nothing
[07:08] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Nothing, as in it hangs, or nothing, as in no output and you're back and a prompt?
[07:09] <Drecondius> last night when i was doing this in a wubi install i had to enter recovery mode and have grub  relist everything then it worked correctly
[07:09] <Drecondius> and it sits there with a flashing box
[07:09] <Drecondius> but i can't seem to get into the boot loader
[07:09] <aveilleux> Drecondius: um
[07:09] <aveilleux> Drecondius: ndiswrapper has nothing to do with grub.
[07:09] <Drecondius> does it work like windows with f8
[07:10] <Drecondius> i know but that's what worked
[07:10] <Drecondius> let me reboot
[07:10] <Drecondius> i haven't done that since i installed it
[07:10] <Drecondius> i will be right back
[07:10] <aveilleux> Drecondius: Okay well, I really need to sleep (it's 0210 in my local time)
[07:11] <aveilleux> Drecondius: So, I guess we'll have to pick this up tomorrow
[07:11] <aveilleux> When he comes back, can someone relay my message to him in case he didn't get it, please?
[07:11]  * aveilleux nods at the silence.
[07:12] <aveilleux> Fantastic.
[07:26] <Drecondius> I am back
[07:28] <bioterror> Drecondius, aveilleux went to sleep
[07:30] <Drecondius> ah
[07:31] <Drecondius> im still going through what he said to do but it's still showing that there isn't a file where there is supposed to be a driver
[07:32] <Drecondius> Is it even the slightest possibility that 96 missing updates might affect my issue
[07:34] <Drecondius> maybe a kernel update will fix it *crosses fingers*
[07:45] <Drecondius> I will admit that Ubuntu makes things a bit easier
[08:14] <Drecondius> bioterror are you still here?
[08:16] <Drecondius> where else could i go to get help with this problem?
[08:16] <Drecondius> O i know
[08:18] <bioterror> Drecondius, ueas O a,
[08:18] <bioterror> yes I am
[08:18] <bioterror> now for a moment
[08:19] <Drecondius> ok i have the driver installed any idea what to do next
[08:19] <Drecondius> it's not showing networks but it is listed and i have ndiswrapper able to list the driver
[08:19] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:20] <bioterror> you have lights on in your wlan?
[08:20] <Drecondius> nope
[08:20] <Drecondius> shows up in lsusb
[08:20] <bioterror> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[08:21] <Drecondius> error while getting interface flags: No such device
[08:23] <Drecondius> should i use the -a devid driver flag for ndiswrapper
[08:24] <Drecondius> it states dangerous but .....
[08:26] <Drecondius> quick question off topic
[08:26] <bioterror> I'm not familiar with ndiswrapper
[08:26] <Drecondius> how do i set an ntfs drive to auto-mount
[08:26] <Drecondius> ok
[08:26] <bioterror> I've got supported chips all my lifetime ;)
[08:27] <Drecondius> bah, curse my luck
[08:27] <bioterror> but seems so, that you're device is not loaded
[08:27] <Drecondius> not as of yet
[08:27] <Drecondius> it may be in the near future
[08:36] <Drecondius> Is it ok to just chat in here?
[08:37] <bioterror> that dell xps 600 is a desktop?
[08:38] <Drecondius> yah
[08:39] <Drecondius> well technically full tower
[08:41] <Drecondius> can i get an app that shows all of my computer information like cpuz for windows
[08:43] <bioterror> Drecondius, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:45] <Drecondius> Odd
[08:45] <bioterror> there should be some sort of "system profiler and benchmark" application
[08:45] <Drecondius> benchmark and profiler is exactly what i was looking for
[08:45] <Drecondius> ill dig around in the software repos
[08:46] <Drecondius> but this is odd
[08:46] <bioterror> Hardinfo is the name of the application
[08:46] <Drecondius> gotcha
[08:51] <Drecondius> I realize this may be a silly question but I really need to ask it
[08:51] <Drecondius> Do you dual boot?
[08:52] <Drecondius> into windows?
[08:54] <bioterror> well
[08:54] <bioterror> with my worklaptop yes
[08:54] <bioterror> but usually I dont
[08:54] <bioterror> I just happen to need exchange and pc-suite
[08:54] <Drecondius> ok maybe you can answer this
[08:54] <bioterror> with my own hardware, one os, one love
[08:55] <Drecondius> did you install ubuntu over the windows loader
[08:55] <bioterror> yes
[08:55] <bioterror> actually
[08:55] <bioterror> windows has own 100MB partition or something like that for their chainloader
[08:55] <bioterror> and ubuntu installs grub into MBR
[08:55] <bioterror> when you boot your computer, it will first load GRUB from the MBR
[08:55] <Drecondius> well grub wiped my windows loader
[08:55] <bioterror> and if you say grub that "hey, I would like to boot Windows" it will then move to the window chainloader
[08:55] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:56] <bioterror> you can say in ubuntu this
[08:56] <bioterror> "sudo apt-get install os-prober"
[08:56] <Drecondius> grub doesn't see the loader anymore
[08:56] <bioterror> "sudo os-prober"
[08:56] <Drecondius> ok
[08:56] <bioterror> "sudo grub-update"
[08:56] <bioterror> and the magic is done
[08:57] <Drecondius> when i use the os-prober it just goes back to the prompt
[08:58] <bioterror> it should say "found windows xp" or something like that
[08:58] <Drecondius> nada
[08:58] <bioterror> weird?
[08:58] <Drecondius> wait
[08:58] <Drecondius> doesnt pata load before sata
[08:58] <bioterror> yes
[08:58] <Drecondius> damn
[08:58] <Drecondius> ok im freaking for nothing then
[08:59] <bioterror> I just added one pata drive to my machine and previous sda which used to be a sata is now sdb :(
[08:59] <bioterror> but thank god we have these UUID's
[08:59] <Drecondius> I try to remember my disk ID's
[08:59] <Drecondius> but thankfully i don't have to
[08:59] <Drecondius> they are 3 different sizes
[09:00] <Drecondius> im going to switch things up tomorrow though and put this os on a bigger hard drive and move windows to this hd
[09:00] <Drecondius> I know i can play wow on here and have it update fine
[09:00] <Drecondius> and guild wars
[09:01] <Drecondius> don't know how im gonna play lotr and ddo though
[09:01] <Drecondius> wine doesn't play well with them
[09:01] <Drecondius> Oh
[09:01] <Drecondius> Have you heard of Ventrilo?
[09:02] <Drecondius> and if so do you know if there is a client for linux
[09:03] <Drecondius> or something that will let me connect to it
[09:04] <bioterror> no I have not
[09:04] <Drecondius> im searching around now
[09:05] <bioterror> Drecondius, I've made choises in my life and I've chosen to use mainly OpenSource software and operating systems in my home
[09:05] <bioterror> I can play Assault Cube or something like that if I want to
[09:05] <Drecondius> That's what Im aiming to do.
[09:05] <bioterror> I dont miss gaming much
[09:05] <Drecondius> but I have to admit that im Blissfully addicted to gaming
[09:06] <bioterror> to be quite honest, I have no time or energy to play
[09:06] <Drecondius> Unfourtunately I have all the time in the world.
[09:06] <bioterror> I have my past when I used to sit on sofa and play need for speed games on sofa
[09:06] <Drecondius> I still do that lol
[09:06] <Drecondius> brb
[09:07] <bioterror> when my xbox (which I used only for media playing) crashed. I had to make some decissions. I was thinking about PS3, but it wasnt worth the price becouse I dont play games
[09:07] <bioterror> and I'm trying to avoid these things becouse I have two kids and I dont want them to be addicted to gaming
[09:07] <bioterror> I want them to play outside with their friends and enjoy it while they can
[09:08] <Drecondius> I don't blame ya
[09:08] <bioterror> if someday they come to me and insist that they want to play something, I'll take C64 and and plug 1541Ultimate II into it
[09:08] <Drecondius> lol
[09:09] <Drecondius> I remember playing some dungeon game on a Basic 500
[09:09] <Drecondius> used vector graphics
[09:09] <Drecondius> it was sweet
[09:09] <bioterror> :)
[09:09] <Drecondius> if only i could remember the name
[09:09] <Drecondius> i remember spending countless hours on that game
[09:10] <Drecondius> and it "Required" you to type all of your actions out
[09:10] <Drecondius> much like Zork
[09:10] <Drecondius> which i want to play again
[09:10] <Drecondius> I love a good Story
[09:10] <Drecondius> Most of the games I play aren't Action based though they're RPG
[09:10] <bioterror> I like xmahjongg :D
[09:11] <Drecondius> I hate mahjongg
[09:11] <Drecondius> well
[09:11] <bioterror> :D
[09:11] <Drecondius> not hate
[09:11] <Drecondius> just dislike
[09:11] <Drecondius> it always beats me lol
[09:14] <Drecondius> All in all though I want a comp that does what I want.
[09:15] <Drecondius> Wine has come a Very long way to sating that lust
[09:15] <Drecondius> I actually had M$ office running on 9.10
[09:15] <Drecondius> but that was just me being experimental
[09:16] <Drecondius> Are you a straight Ubuntu user while at home or do you use Kubuntu as well?
[09:18] <Drecondius> What I love about Ubuntu and all of it's Derivitives though is the strength of it's security
[09:26] <pedro3005> well, that's just linux
[09:26] <pedro3005> linux is secure :)
[09:27] <bioterror> Drecondius, I'm using Lubuntu and my wife uses Salix OS 13.1 on her laptop
[09:27] <Drecondius> Lubuntu?
[09:28] <bioterror> yeah
[09:28] <Drecondius> and I just found a solution to my Ventrilo issue too
[09:28] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[09:29] <Drecondius> wow, that one would SMOKE on my rig
[09:30] <Drecondius> but Xubuntu is similar to that but runs like 10.10 Ubuntu on this rig
[09:34] <Drecondius> what are the main differences between Lubuntu and Ubuntu, is it set up in pretty much the same way?
[09:34] <Drecondius> oooooooo
[09:35] <Drecondius> Pretty
[09:35] <Drecondius> setup similar to kde
[09:35] <Drecondius> err, Kubuntu
[09:35] <Drecondius> lol
[09:36] <pedro3005> the difference is the desktop environment, along with the default packages
[09:36] <pedro3005> Lubuntu uses LXDE, Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu KDE etc..
[09:36] <Drecondius> xubuntu uses xfce
[09:37] <pedro3005> kde is by far the prettiest :p
[09:37] <Drecondius> sylpheed, is that a decent email client. as in less bloated than thunderbird
[09:37] <Drecondius> yah
[09:38] <Drecondius> I love the kde environ but man it takes a toll on resources
[09:38] <pedro3005> yeah i've been using it for a while now
[09:39] <pedro3005> but actually i'm using arch linux
[09:39] <Drecondius> so many distros
[09:39] <Drecondius> what's arch linux
[09:39] <pedro3005> a distro
[09:40] <Drecondius> Lots of customization?
[09:41] <pedro3005> it is kind of minimal
[09:41] <pedro3005> it puts everything up to you
[09:41] <Drecondius> that's like gentoo
[09:41] <pedro3005> yeah but it has a package system
[09:41] <pedro3005> gentoo requires you to compile, arch doesn't
[09:42] <Drecondius> oh
[09:42] <Drecondius> ok that's better
[09:42] <Drecondius> im not so good at compiling
[09:43] <Drecondius> I can't even compile mame
[09:44] <pedro3005> arch is rolling release too
[09:45] <pedro3005> it puts up the new packages fast and barely modified, as the author intended
[09:45] <pedro3005> ubuntu isn't slow in that aspect though
[09:45] <pedro3005> just a little more precatious
[09:45] <pedro3005> which is arguably good and bad
[09:45] <pedro3005> depends on your preference I suppose
[09:48] <Drecondius> well In my opinion its much better than windows
[09:48] <pedro3005> I would agree
[09:48] <Drecondius> They wait till they believe it's stable on a Wide variety of configurations.
[09:48] <Drecondius> and 6months isn't that bad of a cycle
[09:49] <pedro3005> 6 months is the release cycle
[09:49] <pedro3005> I'm talking about packages
[09:49] <Drecondius> oops
[09:49] <pedro3005> like, the new python 3
[09:49] <Drecondius> Is it easy to write code in python?
[09:49] <pedro3005> yeah I like python
[09:50] <Drecondius> I've never learned a programming language I want to start, It's better late than never.
[09:51] <Drecondius> Mainly because I am going back to school soon for Network specialist
[09:51] <Drecondius> Please forgive my punctuation, or the lack thereof. Coming down off of MMO typing lol.
[09:53] <pedro3005> yeah definitely start
[09:53] <pedro3005> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Academy/IntroToPython these are some classes I've been giving on python
[09:53] <pedro3005> i must leave now
[09:53] <pedro3005> see you later Drecondius
[09:58] <Drecondius> anybody still in here?
[09:59] <Drecondius> bio?
[14:10] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[15:14] <Maddeth> hey hobgoblin
[15:14] <Maddeth> hey Silver_Fox_
[15:14] <hobgoblin> hi there Maddeth :)
[15:14] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Maddeth
[15:14] <zeroseven0183> Good evening everyone
[15:15] <hobgoblin> goodnow zeroseven0183
[15:15] <zeroseven0183> :)
[15:16] <Maddeth> I am stuck in work for annother 3 hours 15 minutes
[15:17] <hobgoblin> I'm not - I am home - drinking tea
[15:17] <Maddeth> rub it in hobgoblin... rub it in
[15:17] <hobgoblin> okey
[15:17] <hobgoblin> I'm not - I am home - drinking tea
[15:18] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:18] <Maddeth> ... thanks
[15:18] <Maddeth> yuo are so kind
[15:18] <Maddeth> :p
[15:18] <Maddeth> you*
[15:18] <hobgoblin> so other than working - how's life?
[15:27] <ibuclaw> Maddeth, I'm at home, drinking tea
[15:27] <ibuclaw> actually, white lie. I drank it all.
[16:01] <Maddeth> ibuclaw: you never fail to dissapoint
[16:13] <harrisonk> what compression has the highest compresion ratio?
[16:13] <harrisonk> Bzip?
[16:13] <harrisonk> tar.gz?
[16:20] <drubin> harrisonk: Depends on what you wan tto compression
[16:20] <drubin> bzip works wonders for text only stuff
[17:43] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[17:44] <kristian-aalborg> just maxed out the old Thinkpad with 256 mb ram
[17:45] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: What do you mean by "maxed out"
[17:45] <kristian-aalborg> it's all it takes
[17:45] <kristian-aalborg> :)
[17:45] <kristian-aalborg> but, it does not recognise all of it
[17:46] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Some is probably reserved for graphics memory
[17:46] <kristian-aalborg> this should be fixable with a bios update - but I'm not keen on doing that
[17:46] <kristian-aalborg> aveilleux: no, that's not it
[17:48] <kristian-aalborg> it simply does not see the memory
[17:51] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: It could be an incompatible module.
[17:52] <kristian-aalborg> it's there in bios
[17:52] <hobgoblin> check in the bios
[17:52] <kristian-aalborg> available ram is listed as 256
[17:52] <hobgoblin> too slow lol
[17:52] <kristian-aalborg> and then "read bios" is, erm, 180 or so
[17:52] <kristian-aalborg> it IS a bios issue, you could say
[17:53] <kristian-aalborg> but I'd prefer not risking ruining the box with a failed bios update
[17:53] <hobgoblin> you need to check the shared memory I would say
[17:53] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: I've never seen a BIOS update fail.
[17:54] <kristian-aalborg> hobgoblin: could you expand?
[17:54] <kristian-aalborg> aveilleux: I've never tried it
[17:55] <kristian-aalborg> and I'd have to go some unofficial route as I don't have Windows on the box
[17:55] <hobgoblin> kristian-aalborg: shared memory/graphics - it would appear that some is being used
[17:56] <kristian-aalborg> command?
[17:56] <hobgoblin> in the bios - you'll just need to look I think
[17:57] <kristian-aalborg> that
[17:57] <kristian-aalborg> whoops
[17:57] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Most BIOS updates I've used involve a boot disc
[17:57] <kristian-aalborg> that's where it says 256 found, less used
[17:58] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: There is most likely a setting somewhere to set the shared graphics memory
[17:58] <hobgoblin> kristian-aalborg: I understand that - but I suspect you will also find a what to change it
[17:58] <hobgoblin> ty aveilleux - slow and fat fingers here :)
[18:09] <karthick87> hobgoblin hi
[18:10] <karthick87> nick hobgoblin hi
[18:10] <hobgoblin> first one works :)
[18:17] <Mohan_chml> Hiyas hobgoblin
[18:17] <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml
[18:17] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin, how are you today?
[18:18] <Mohan_chml> bodhizazen, Ping. I need some good articles/books regarding IP tables. give me some suggestions =]
[18:19] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: I'm good ty
[18:20] <Mohan_chml> (:
[18:26] <kristian-aalborg> I'm in bios now
[18:26] <kristian-aalborg> nowhere is there a memory management menu, as far as I can see
[18:26] <kristian-aalborg> I get "available" and "usable" ram - nothing more
[18:27] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Look under "integrated peripherals"
[18:28] <Drecondius> I need HELP again !!!!
[18:29] <bioterror> really ;)
[18:29] <bioterror> what's wrong this time?
[18:29] <Mohan_chml> Drecondius, shoot =]
[18:29] <Drecondius> I need to "reinstall" Grub
[18:29] <bioterror> !grub2
[18:29] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:29] <Drecondius> Yup
[18:30] <bioterror> ka-chow! ;D
[18:30] <Mohan_chml> Drecondius, the link given by ubot2 will guide you. please have a look
[18:30] <aveilleux> Drecondius: I was working with you yesterday, what happened to GRUB?
[18:30] <Drecondius> Well
[18:30] <Drecondius> You see what had happened was ....
[18:31] <Drecondius> I split my Primary boot drive to install win7 on half and Ubuntu on the other
[18:31] <Drecondius> well installed ubuntu first instead of win 7
[18:31] <kristian-aalborg> aveilleux: no such thing
[18:31] <aveilleux> Drecondius: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[18:32] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Look under "Advanced BIOS settings"
[18:36] <kristian-aalborg> aveilleux: no such thing either
[18:41] <Drecondius> I shall return shortly, ..... I hope.
[18:47] <Drecondius> I'm back but not in the pretty place
[18:48] <Drecondius> Is there such a thing as Grub for windows?
[18:49] <Drecondius> might simplify this process
[18:49] <Drecondius> and Give me back my Ubuntu
[19:11] <Drecondius> Ok, I have made it back into my Ubuntu installation, now how to get grub2 to take over and be the primary boot-loader
[19:12] <Drecondius> !grub2
[19:12] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[19:14] <asterismo> Hi everyone
[19:14] <Drecondius> Hello.
[19:14] <bioterror> hi
[19:14] <asterismo> i merged a dark theme that is very usable with very nice color scheme
[19:15] <asterismo> I've been seeking for dark themes but they are not very good and usable...
[19:15] <asterismo> i posted it in Gnome-look
[19:15] <asterismo> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Dark+Matrix+Theme?content=134081
[19:17] <Drecondius> I need that link to repair grub again if you're still here ummmm, sorry i can't remember your sn
[19:24] <latenite> Hi folks, why is "df -T" now showing the filesystemtype? http://pastie.org/1258579
[19:25] <paultag> latenite, because that's what -T does :)
[19:25] <paultag>        -T, --print-type
[19:25] <paultag>               print file system type
[19:25] <paultag> when in doubt, check the man pages :)
[19:25] <latenite> paultag, **TYPO  now = NOT see my paste
[19:26] <paultag> latenite, Kannst du besser auf Deutsch erklären? Ich kann doch schlect Deutsch sprechen, aber kann ich verstehen :)
[19:27] <paultag> Oh, wait I see
[19:27] <latenite> paultag, well I formated /dev/sda1 with ext3 but df -T does NOT show that is shows devtmpfs
[19:27] <paultag> latenite, yes, I see
[19:27] <latenite> instead of ext3
[19:27] <paultag> I just now opened it
[19:28] <paultag> latenite, it could be the case that it's cached when the dev blocks are created
[19:29] <paultag> latenite, have you brought the machine down and back up? ---- oh wait. That's sda... What are you doing? Are you trying to bootstrap the drive?
[19:29] <latenite> paultag, what is beeing cached?
[19:29] <paultag> latenite, the dev information -- the /dev/* block devices are created on boot
[19:29] <paultag> latenite, and if you re-partition they wont change, I wonder if it's the same for dev type
[19:29] <latenite> I am formating a new remote box...
[19:30] <paultag> latenite, OK, so lets see. One second
[19:31] <latenite> ok.. ..
[19:31] <bodhizazen> paultag: !!!
[19:31] <paultag> bodhizazen, :)
[19:31] <bodhizazen> http://blog.bodhizazen.net/Table/iptables.php?nav=iptables
[19:32] <paultag> bodhizazen, kickass -- I'll read it if you can help latenite refresh his drive dev geometry
[19:32] <paultag> bodhizazen, he partitioned a remote box, and he can't bounce it to pop the new dev blocks back in
[19:32] <bodhizazen> I am trying to re-theme my web site, will try to apply the theme to my blog as well
[19:33] <bodhizazen> The linky is a bot "out of date" to the currnet theme, but you get the general idea
[19:33] <paultag> yup
[19:33] <bioterror> bodhizazen, nice, good job with that one
[19:33] <bodhizazen> paultag: how was the drive partitioned ?
[19:33] <bodhizazen> Live CD ?
[19:34] <paultag> bodhizazen, he just did a mkfs and the node is out of date -- might want to as latenite -- It sounds like ssh
[19:34] <latenite> yes..live usbstick
[19:34] <karthick87> I there transliteration software available in ubuntu..?
[19:34] <latenite> show i am ssh d into the box
[19:34] <bodhizazen> reboot
[19:34] <bodhizazen> Thanks bioterror =)
[19:35] <bioterror> bodhizazen, even forrest gump should understand that ;)
[19:35] <latenite> bodhizazen, I cant..this s a installscript...NO reboot inbetween possibe...and I feel not neccessary when formating
[19:36] <slooksterpsv> ok I installed banshee, and when I opened it up and I had a SD Card mounted that was an ISO rip of Ubuntu 10.04 it would crash after 20 seconds. unmounting the volume fixed, the issue, but why would it crash on a volume that had legit data on it?
[19:36] <paultag> Ah, crap BRB
[19:36] <latenite> paultag, bodhizazen I ant reboot in that script..
[19:37] <karthick87> Any software available in ubuntu to type in tamil..?
[19:37] <bodhizazen> latenite: If you change the partition table you often need to reboot for the new partition changes
[19:39] <bodhizazen> latenite: what is the exact command you ran, how did you partition the HD, and what is the exact error messsage =)
[19:39] <bodhizazen> !pastebin if you please
[19:39] <ubot2> bodhizazen: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:39] <latenite> bodhizazen, http://pastie.org/1258579
[19:40] <bodhizazen> OK, and the error you are getting ?
[19:41] <bodhizazen>  /dev/sda1 should NOT be mounted on /dev
[19:41] <bodhizazen> You should probably mount it a /mnt
[19:41] <latenite> bodhizazen, it NOT mounted at all!
[19:42] <bodhizazen> check with the mount command
[19:42] <bodhizazen> mount
[19:42] <bodhizazen> The last line of your output says
[19:42] <bodhizazen> it is mounted at /dev
[19:43] <latenite> bodhizazen, what line? can you paste it?!
[19:43] <latenite> bodhizazen, with mount df -T is fine http://pastie.org/1258621
[19:44] <latenite> but showing fs-type should be possible without mounting
[19:44] <bodhizazen> What error message are you getting ?
[19:45] <latenite> bodhizazen, I dont get NO errors. JUST faultiy output of df -T
[19:45] <bodhizazen> faulty how ?
[19:46] <latenite> bodhizazen, it sais devtmpfs instead of ext3...see my paste
[19:47] <bodhizazen> mount it
[19:47] <bodhizazen> mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt
[19:47] <bodhizazen> then run df again
[19:47] <latenite> as I said BEFORE--this works
[19:48] <bodhizazen> I suspect you are getting that information as ou need to reboot after partitioning the HD and formatting the partition, the kernel is using old informatino
[19:48] <latenite> but I dont want to mount JUST to determine fs-type
[19:48] <bodhizazen> reboot the let me know if the problem persists
[19:48] <bodhizazen> Or try blkid
[19:48] <latenite> I SAID I CANT REBOOT...are you fooling me!!!!!!!!``````
[19:48] <bodhizazen> Why not ?
[19:49] <latenite> read above!
[19:50] <mohan_> I downloaded netbeans file ( 250+mb ) . It is in my download dir. But how to install it now?
[19:51] <latenite> mohan_, cd to dl-dir and "sh netbeansfile"
[19:51] <slooksterpsv> mohan_: ... should I report this bug or not - banshee, if it follows symbolic links, after a certain amount banshee crashes
[19:52] <bodhizazen> Why can you not reboot ?
[19:53] <latenite> it a installscript i am wringt..if I was to reboot I had to reastablish ssh connection
[19:56] <bodhizazen> latenite: sounds as if you will need to build a reboot into your script
[19:56] <bodhizazen> I have only seen these kinds of problems when you partition the HD and make a new FS
[19:57] <latenite> bodhizazen, ok thank you :)
[19:58] <bodhizazen> You can see if this helps at all
[19:58] <bodhizazen> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/re-read-the-partition-table-without-rebooting-linux-system.html
[19:59] <bodhizazen> latenite: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9038454&postcount=8
[20:00] <bodhizazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9038673&postcount=10
[20:02] <bodhizazen> latenite: That thread has a few posts that should explain the "problem" to you
[20:02] <bodhizazen> at least I think that is your problem =)
[20:05] <bodhizazen> Personally I always reboot after changing my partitions, I know you do not "need" to, but it prevents problems
[20:05] <bodhizazen> And as I always partition from a live CD, it is not that big a deal.
[20:06] <bodhizazen> for your script, advise a person prep the partitions first, then boot and run the script, so you do not need to partition and mkfs as a part of the scritp
[20:06] <bodhizazen> probably the best
[20:06] <latenite> bodhizazen, ok look http://pastie.org/1258664
[20:06] <latenite> now all I need is a table of types...WHERE on the system is sich a table?
[20:10] <bodhizazen> Probably part of the kernel , not sure on that
[20:10] <latenite> ok
[20:28] <karthick87> cant able to send mail via terminal,someone help me...?
[20:29] <bioterror> huh?
[20:29] <bioterror> using sendmail or what+
[20:29] <karthick87> postfix
[20:44] <karthick87> Using postfix as my smtp server
[21:04] <ehcah> aveilleux:  I am in the process of modifying one of my bind/zone/ files based on a tutorial I found.  It suggests the following line: "home.lan. IN SOA ubuntu.home.lan. hostmaster.home.lan."  When I modify it, I assume it should be: "mydomain.com. IN SOA myservername.mydomain.com. hostmaster.mydomain.com."
[21:05] <ehcah> aveilleux: what in this case is the difference between "ubuntu" and "hostmaster"?  Is it redundant?
[21:06] <aveilleux> ehcah: I have no idea what any of that means
[21:06] <ehcah> LOL - Thank you anyway.
[23:32] <bodhizazen> Anyone here willing to look at my web page again ?
[23:32] <bodhizazen> It is very clsoe to the final layout in terms of color, positioning, etc
[23:32] <bodhizazen> http://blog.bodhizazen.net/Table/iptables.php?nav=iptables
[23:34] <pedro3005> looking good bodhizazen
[23:34] <pedro3005> the Contact button moving around is kind of weird
[23:37] <bodhizazen> pedro3005: Aye, I have that fixed elsewhere though
[23:43] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: nice
[23:44] <bodhizazen> stlsaint: You like the new layout ?