[02:02] <ebroder> I realize that users should never see it at all, but could we suppress the "getpwid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)" warning from plymouth/glib by just creating a bogus /etc/passwd in the initrd?
[02:02] <ebroder> (with an entry for root)
[02:24] <slangasek> ebroder: that's the appropriate workaround, I believe.  Bug #649917 - test it out, submit?
[02:25] <ebroder> slangasek: Will do
[02:26] <GanonKiller> there is a bug with alsa & VLC
[02:26] <GanonKiller> VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any).
[02:26] <GanonKiller> Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue.
[02:27] <ebroder> slangasek: You're not interested in seeing this SRU'd, are you?
[02:28] <slangasek> ebroder: I am, actually; this issue generates a lot of bug mail noise that is obviously not helpful for fixing the underlying plymouth issues
[02:29] <ebroder> slangasek: Ah, good point. If I can get something working, I'll try to push it back to Lucid too
[02:29] <slangasek> ta
[02:29] <GanonKiller> there is no update
[02:29] <slangasek> GanonKiller: please file a bug against the vlc package, then with the command 'ubuntu-bug vlc' - this is not a bug reporting channel
[03:04] <ebroder> Hmm...why does lp:ubuntu/plymouth not have the 0.8.2-2ubuntu5 version Riddell from the beginning of the month?
[03:06] <slangasek> ebroder: bug #653832
[03:06] <slangasek> (http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/)
[03:07] <ebroder> blargh
[04:14] <miked> looking for php/java project to hack on
[04:14] <miked> very much newbie, anyone needs help?
[04:18]  * ebroder squints
[04:19] <ebroder> So plymouth in the initrd is only enabled if the FRAMEBUFFER option is set, which is done by casper but not the default install?
[04:26] <slangasek> ebroder: it's only in the initramfs if we have something else in the initramfs that *needs* to prompt or show progress; otherwise it's only started post-initramfs so we can get to the real rootfs faster
[04:27]  * ebroder nods
[04:28] <ebroder> well, i've hacked it into my initramfs, and hacked an /etc/passwd into my initramfs, and that doesn't seem to be enough to suppress the error. maybe i need an nsswitch.conf too or something?
[04:29] <slangasek> hmm
[04:29] <slangasek> probably
[04:29] <ebroder> (i thought libc would fall back on compat or files or something if there wasn't an nsswitch)
[04:33] <ebroder> hmm...nope, making a fake nsswitch.conf ("passwd: compat") and copying /lib/libnss_compat* into the initrd doesn't seem to be enough either
[04:34] <ebroder> ah - libnss_compat has dependencies
[04:39] <slangasek> nss_files is really what you want
[04:39] <slangasek> and leave out nss_compat, that's just overhead
[04:43] <ebroder> ok
[09:26] <jmehdi> could someone help me, I'm remastering ubuntu live cd and I have a problem with plymouth...
[11:11] <pavolzetor> Hallo
[11:11] <pavolzetor> I have reported bug a while ago
[11:11] <pavolzetor> and also posted patch
[11:11] <pavolzetor> but no one cares
[11:11] <pavolzetor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/653995
[11:15] <pavolzetor> anyone?
[12:54] <corecode> hey
[12:55] <corecode> i've been reading for an hour already, but i can't find a simple solution for uploading a debian packge into my ppa
[12:55] <corecode> without having to edit the changelog
[12:56] <corecode> what's the preferred way to tell the system to build this in, say, maverick instead of unstable
[12:56] <kklimonda_> you have to change the changelog
[12:59] <corecode> that seems excessive
[13:00] <corecode> for example bsd-mailx has version 8.1.2-0.20100314cvs-1
[13:00] <corecode> there is no ubuntu either
[13:00] <corecode> how does that work then?
[13:02] <kklimonda_> by that do you mean "how do I upload it to ubuntu ppa" ?
[13:03] <corecode> i don't understand
[13:04] <kklimonda_> that's probably because I'm still half-asleep.
[13:04] <corecode> ditto :)
[13:04] <kklimonda_> oh, I understand
[13:04] <kklimonda_> bsd-mailx in the 8.1.2-0.20100314cvs-1 version doesn't have an ubuntu release in the changelog because it has been synced from debian directly.
[13:05] <kklimonda_> but you can't do that for PPAs
[13:05] <corecode> but i can't do that for my ppa?
[13:05] <corecode> if i wanted to build versions for jaunty, karmic, lucid and maverick, i'd have to do 4 manual modifications, run a debuild, then a dput?
[13:08] <kklimonda_> yeah, at least for now. The problem is that you can't have the same package with the same version but different pockets in the single ppa
[13:08] <kklimonda_> so you have to upload them separately anyway.
[13:08] <kklimonda_> okay, I have to go for a breakfast
[13:15] <corecode> yes i realized that
[13:15] <corecode> shouldn't there be an easy way to specify the "pocket" during dput or debuild?
[13:15] <corecode> without having to change the changelog
[13:16] <StevenK> Nope, the pocket is figured from the .changes file
[13:16] <corecode> ok
[13:16] <corecode> so, can that pocket be changed when creating the changes file?
[13:17] <corecode> i'm quite certain i saw a way to do that some time ago
[13:17] <corecode> but i can't find it, of course
[13:20] <StevenK> No, dpkg-genchanges can't do that
[13:35] <corecode> that's a bit unfortunate, isn't it?
[13:39] <corecode> not sure i understand completely - do i upload a source package or a binary package?
[13:42] <sladen> corecode: source.  *only*
[13:43] <sladen> corecode: the build machines (buildds) compile it
[13:47] <corecode> i see
[13:47] <corecode> thanks
[13:48] <corecode> so it says that packages in debian sid will automatically appear in ubuntu
[13:48] <corecode> is that so?
[13:48] <corecode> or only for packages that already exist in ubuntu
[13:50] <tumbleweed> corecode: the archive admins will periodically review new pcakages not yet in ubuntu and sync them in
[13:50] <corecode> aha
[13:57] <Copernic__> is it easy to program something in Ubuntu? I'm used to Java, did do some C++, but thats 10 years ago :)
[13:57] <Copernic__> for ubuntu*
[13:57] <corecode> i don't think that it makes any difference to any other unix
[13:57] <Copernic__> I guess I should just try :)
[13:57] <corecode> type your code, compile, run
[13:59] <Copernic__> corecode, I was thinking about implementing this http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24525/
[14:00] <corecode> i see
[14:00] <corecode> good luck
[14:00] <Copernic__> hehe
[14:01] <Copernic__> I never programmed something for linux before
[14:02] <corecode> i honestly think that idea is silly at best
[14:02] <corecode> and i have no experience in gui design or development
[14:02] <Copernic__> corecode, I came to this idea becaus the apparmor profile for firefox is disabled
[14:03] <Copernic__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Firefox%20AppArmor%20profile
[14:03] <Copernic__> I thought that users should be able to change this if they wanted to
[14:03] <corecode> they can, can't they
[14:04] <Copernic__> it's something only a technical user would do
[14:04] <corecode> of course
[14:05] <Copernic__> haha you don't see the problem do you :)
[14:05] <Copernic__> the general public isn't technical
[14:05] <corecode> right
[14:05] <corecode> so they won't know about apparmor
[14:05] <corecode> or what it means
[14:06] <Copernic__> indeed, and I was under the impression that apparmor is pretty important, because if some security threat is knocking at your door, it probably came with firefox or evolution
[14:06] <corecode> quite likely, yes
[14:08] <Copernic__> corecode, thats when I was starting to worry about the security for the general public :)
[14:09] <corecode> then you need to fix it so that the default will work
[14:09] <Copernic__> corecode, I'm guessing they tried that
[14:11] <Copernic__> bbl, I'm going to take a 20min nap :)
[14:22] <corecode> how do people do automated uploads?
[14:23] <corecode> don't they use passphrases on their gpg keys?
[14:24] <kklimonda_> corecode: I have a separate account (with separate key) for automated uploads.
[14:25] <corecode> and that key doesn't have a passphrase
[14:25] <kklimonda_> and now I don't do that anyway since launchpad has gained the ability to create nightly builds.
[14:25] <kklimonda_> right
[14:27] <corecode> from bzr branches?
[14:27] <corecode> how can it do a nightly build?  i thought the changes file has to be updated
[14:28] <kklimonda_> you can read more about recipes here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes
[14:29] <kklimonda_> the idea is that launchpad branches your code (along with the debian/ subdirectory) and then bumps the changelog for every release.
[14:30] <corecode> ah
[14:30] <corecode> yes, that would be convenient
[14:39] <corecode> hm.
[14:40] <corecode> seems that package *is* in ubuntu
[14:46] <corecode> somehow i could set information that this package is in ubuntu or debian
[14:46] <corecode> but i can't find it anymore
[15:24] <hooke> i've always been curious about how the grahics driver works,but i couldn't find any resources about this.anyone  can give me some  suggestions?
[16:31] <micahg> pitti: thunderbird on Ubuntu was deferred till Natty + 1, but we have a few work items to get the ball rolling
[16:31] <pitti> micahg: thanks for the heads-up; I targetted it to natty, do you want this spec for the "get the ball rolling" parts, or want me to untarget it again?
[16:32] <Ian_Corne> thunderbird in replacement of evince?
[16:32] <Ian_Corne> err evolution?
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> james_w: ping
[16:32] <micahg> pitti: for me it doesn't matter, if jcastro needs it for his work item, then we can leave it targetted for natty
[16:32] <pitti> micahg: ack; we can always postpone/untarget later then
[16:39] <pitti> micahg: what's PGO?
[16:39] <micahg> pitti: Profile Guided Optimizations
[16:39] <pitti> micahg: we were wonering about what priority https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-desktop-n-firefox-pgo-builds shold have
[16:40] <micahg> pitti: well, chrisccoulson has done most of the work already for it, but AFAIK, upstream isn't even doing this yet, so it's a nice to have, but not critical
[16:40] <micahg> pitti: we'll get a start speed increase if we can get this done though, so that might impact it as well
[16:41] <pitti> micahg: thanks; are you okay with being the approver for that one?
[16:41] <micahg> pitti: well, if you like, seems a little weird though
[16:42] <pitti> micahg: for the purpose of peer review; I can be the approver, too, but I'm afraid I know nothing about PGO
[16:42] <micahg> pitti: if it's just peer review, I'm happy to do it
[16:42] <pitti> micahg: thanks
[16:42]  * micahg still needs to read more on it
[16:43] <hallyn> didrocks: regarding alt-t in terminal in 10.10 unity, you marked that triaged - is that bc it's fixed upstream, or for some more subtle reason?
[16:45] <didrocks> hallyn: triaged is "the issue is known and confirmed". Upstream has an idea of where the issue is in that case.
[17:26] <andreserl> slangasek: ping?
[17:30] <magedragon25> maybe I can get some help here....I compiled my first kernel last night...I wanted a kernel specific to my hardware, but I think it compiled as a 32bit kernel. It stalled at the splash screen. Any tips on what to do next time, and how do i track down what went wrong this time
[17:36] <hallyn> didrocks: ok, thx - slightly different from teh two other definitions of 'triaged' i've heard :)  i was hoping it was more of a 'the fix is definately upstream'.  but thanks
[17:36] <didrocks> hallyn: no, this is "fix commited" in the upstream task
[17:38] <hallyn> alrighty.  (then i'll hold off a bit on upgrading the netbook)
[20:14] <james_w> hi JontheEchidna
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> james_w: hi, I was looking at policykit-1 looking at merging it/updating it to the latest upstream release. The second half of the 03_complete_session patch doesn't apply anymore due to upstream changes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/522254/
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> is the patch safe to drop, or do changes need to be made to it?
[20:25] <james_w> JontheEchidna, see the upstream bug report. I think it is still needed
[20:26] <james_w> JontheEchidna, actually, that half can be dropped I think
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> james_w: ok, cool
[20:51] <Cheery> I'd like to find some mechanism that lets me turn a virtual terminal to the opengl context for a duration of the executing program.
[20:52] <Cheery> gotten it was impossible while back then. but what about now?
[20:53] <Cheery> how quiet..
[22:22] <hawkal> Please can someone tell me where I can find out more about the 64bit netboot install e.g package list/ source code? I would like to take a look at the guts of it.
[22:27] <hawkal> I tried looking in cdimage.ubuntu.com but I couldn't see anything relevant to the netboot installs a part from iso files
[22:29] <cjwatson> apt-get source debian-installer - the stuff in build/ is the build system, the stuff in doc/ is documentation on how a bunch of stuff around it works.  you'll need to apt-get source additional packages from the package lists there in order to inspect individual components of the installer
[22:29] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development
[22:32] <hawkal> Thank you very much cjwatson
[23:51] <shadeslayer> pitti: ok you will probably get the mail 2 times, the first time i forgot to sign the key and just sent the keys