| Sir_Konrad | Hello. RastaHunden is being a troll in #ubuntu | 00:06 |
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| Sir_Konrad | KB1JWQ: oh hi! :D | 00:07 |
| KB1JWQ | Sir_Konrad: Hmm? | 00:13 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, rww said: !alternate =~ s/ / / | 00:17 |
| nhandler | !alternate | 00:19 |
| ubottu | The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal | 00:19 |
| nhandler | ubottu: !alternate =~ s/ / / | 00:19 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that nhandler | 00:19 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mmqneu appears to be abusive - 5) | 00:23 |
| nhandler | Gone | 00:24 |
| ubottu | rww called the ops in #ubuntu (RastaHunden: repeated offtopic comments; probable banevasion) | 00:32 |
| nhandler | Flannel: You set +q 60!*@* (you might want to remove that) | 00:34 |
| Flannel | nhandler: It'll automatically remove in ten minutes, but yeah, I know. I'm apparently totally out of it, and getting autobleh backwards | 00:34 |
| nhandler | Flannel: Is your autobleh up-to-date? If so, /help autobleh | 00:35 |
| nhandler | Actually, that doesn't tell you the options to pass (I should fix that) | 00:35 |
| Flannel | nhandler: Oh, I could've easily looked. I had it one way, second guessed myself, changed it, and got it wrong | 00:35 |
| IdleOne | Flannel: did you have a talk with Rastahunden? | 00:49 |
| Flannel | IdleOne: I did | 00:50 |
| IdleOne | ok | 00:50 |
| Flannel | We'll see | 00:51 |
| IdleOne | soon as you go idle he will start up. | 00:51 |
| IdleOne | but who knows | 00:51 |
| Flannel | Well, he started up as I was walking out the door, and was still going when I came back. So we'll see. | 00:51 |
| IdleOne | So he is banned | 01:00 |
| RastaHunden | Ideone ??? | 01:04 |
| IdleOne | RastaHunden: yes | 01:07 |
| RastaHunden | Idleone (idiot) felt that advicing to use the following command would be bad to remove any file starting with anything and has a dot and then a star as such: "cd DIR && rm -f ?.*". Youre as clever as clever jake my friend HTH: Upstream! | 01:07 |
| IdleOne | excuse me? | 01:07 |
| IdleOne | you are calling me an idiot? | 01:07 |
| * IdleOne is out | 01:07 | |
| RastaHunden | Is not your task here to halp ? | 01:07 |
| RastaHunden | You ban, run and hide. | 01:07 |
| RastaHunden | Always! | 01:08 |
| IdleOne | I'm not hiding | 01:08 |
| IdleOne | I just don't talk to people who insult me | 01:08 |
| RastaHunden | Oh, i thoouht youre "Out" as you said ? | 01:08 |
| IdleOne | if my banning was unjustified another op can remove it. | 01:08 |
| RastaHunden | Youre as good as a spilled bowl of soup eaten by a dog and barfed up then feasted on by 7 hyenas and expelled in the loopshole and then eaten by you :) | 01:10 |
| RastaHunden | You suck monkeyballs | 01:10 |
| RastaHunden | Go away! | 01:10 |
| RastaHunden | :) | 01:11 |
| RastaHunden | If you cannot understand computings, then why are you even here ? | 01:11 |
| RastaHunden | Youre angry, this is why youre a temporary operator on freenode. Its how it works. | 01:13 |
| Flannel | RastaHunden: Call it a hunch, but I don't think the way you're approaching this is going to garner much traction | 01:14 |
| RastaHunden | I know, but nothing would have :) | 01:14 |
| RastaHunden | Ive been an IRKEN since 1996 | 01:14 |
| RastaHunden | And loving it :) | 01:15 |
| nhandler | RastaHunden: Insulting OPs is not a good way to show that your ban should get removed. I would encourage you to read the IRC Guidelines (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines) and the Code of Conduct (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/) and maybe come back in a day or so when you are ready to really discuss this issue in a mature fashion | 01:15 |
| RastaHunden | ... Next! :) | 01:15 |
| nhandler | RastaHunden: If you have nothing further to say, please respect our no idleing policy | 01:19 |
| RastaHunden | Respect Upstream to any channel trying to help their users | 01:20 |
| RastaHunden | If you please | 01:20 |
| RastaHunden | Incase you dont then i see no reason for you to be here. | 01:21 |
| RastaHunden | ACK ? | 01:21 |
| nhandler | Can you please rephrase that first statement using correct grammar so other people can understand it? | 01:21 |
| RastaHunden | So i have to explain bash scripting to you now ? | 01:22 |
| RastaHunden | No thanks, i do that teaching OSS and Linux | 01:22 |
| nhandler | Uh, I know about bash scripting, but I fail to see how that applies right now | 01:23 |
| RastaHunden | BSD too for that matter. What do you do ? | 01:23 |
| RastaHunden | Yes ? | 01:24 |
| RastaHunden | Ah, i see youre Red in the face. | 01:26 |
| RastaHunden | Im not sure why you are so angry, but im gonna find out. | 01:27 |
| RastaHunden | nhandler: How are you feeling sir or mam ? | 01:28 |
| RastaHunden | :) | 01:28 |
| RastaHunden | Oh, this monday im releasing a new gadmin tool. Scheduled antivirus scans etc with a click. I love IT! :) | 01:30 |
| tonyyarusso | RastaHunden: I believe you were asked not to idle, so please state what business you still have or move along now. | 01:31 |
| RastaHunden | Move along sir | 01:31 |
| RastaHunden | . | 01:31 |
| RastaHunden | Nothing to see here. | 01:31 |
| RastaHunden | Flannel ? | 01:32 |
| DarthMoore | Tony has an IdleOne Up his arse | 01:37 |
| DarthMoore | Kiss kiss | 01:37 |
| IdleOne | So just to make sure is "cd DIR && rm -f ?.*" a dangerous or possibly dangerous command? | 01:44 |
| IdleOne | hmm ok so maybe my ban was premature | 01:45 |
| IdleOne | but his comment about gadmin proves he is ArtArfon and ban evading | 01:45 |
| tonyyarusso | IdleOne: I don't think so, but it's trying to be and failing :P | 01:57 |
| tonyyarusso | IdleOne: if it were .?* it would do stuff, but it doesn't appear that having ? in the first position is valid? | 02:01 |
| * tonyyarusso has no idea why | 02:01 | |
| Sir_Konrad | Hey I'm about to leave. Was RastaHunden taken care of? :\ | 02:05 |
| tonyyarusso | here anyway - I don't know the rest of the story | 02:08 |
| Sir_Konrad | tonyyarusso: trolling in #ubuntu. | 02:12 |
| IdleOne | Sir_Konrad: yes | 02:22 |
| IdleOne | tonyyarusso: thanks | 02:22 |
| Sir_Konrad | thanks IdleOne. :) | 02:23 |
| Sir_Konrad | IdleOne: did he get a ban or what? I was absent. | 02:23 |
| IdleOne | Sir_Konrad: yes | 02:23 |
| Sir_Konrad | ok, thanks again IdleOne. :) | 02:24 |
| IdleOne | sure thing | 02:24 |
| Sir_Konrad | No I'll leave and let you guys get back to the magic you guys do in here. ;) | 02:24 |
| IdleOne | tonyyarusso: the command looked dangerous to me and he is a know problem. | 02:24 |
| lahwran | please kick Locopr from #ubuntu ASAP, he just posted a spam link with a catchy reason to click | 02:50 |
| lahwran | <Locopr> anyone hear of the Ubuntu changing their name ? http://tinyurl.com/267tpkc | 02:51 |
| lahwran | ^ link is NSFW spam | 02:51 |
| Seeker` | he already left | 02:51 |
| lahwran | no he didn't .. | 02:51 |
| lahwran | oh whoops I have joins/parts off. | 02:51 |
| lahwran | false alarm, go back to your stations ... | 02:51 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, rww said: !xmms =~ s/, bmpx,// | 04:14 |
| rww | ^ bmpx is no longer developed, and was only packaged in hardy. | 04:14 |
| nhandler | ubottu: !xmms =~ s/, bmpx,// | 04:15 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that nhandler | 04:15 |
| nhandler | rww: ^^^ | 04:15 |
| rww | thanks | 04:15 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, ActionParsnip said: !blackscreen is If you boot Ubuntu but it only shows a black screen please use the steps here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html | 11:17 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu, Serafeim said: ubottu, the problem is that i have allready removed the relevant ppas manually and so ppa-purge can't find them | 12:53 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (BANLIST FULL, REMOVE SOME BANS) | 13:07 |
| ikonia | again | 13:14 |
| bazhang | removed two, couple others want to keep another day or so | 13:14 |
| ikonia | done some more | 13:15 |
| ikonia | why do floodbots keep setting ban forwards to #ubuntu-proxy-users ? | 13:16 |
| Pici | !unity | 14:13 |
| ubottu | Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity | 14:13 |
| === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening | ||
| jpds | jrib: APT GnuPG keys potentially? | 14:53 |
| jrib | jpds: that's my guess, but why can't he just tell me what he's doing instead of making me guess :/ | 14:53 |
| ikonia | hello [Screamo] | 15:38 |
| [Screamo] | hmmm | 15:38 |
| ikonia | [Screamo]: are you trying to get into #ubuntu ? | 15:38 |
| [Screamo] | i was | 15:38 |
| [Screamo] | but i was found to be "trolling" and banned i think | 15:39 |
| ikonia | oh really | 15:39 |
| ikonia | hang on | 15:39 |
| ikonia | [Screamo]: ahh yes, I can see from the logs you where trying to cause a problem in the channel | 15:42 |
| ikonia | sorry for being slow | 15:42 |
| [Screamo] | i dont really remember | 15:43 |
| [Screamo] | was probably drunk or something | 15:43 |
| ikonia | seemed pretty sobre, just trying to be-little anyone using ubuntu | 15:44 |
| ikonia | [Screamo]: jpds banned you for your behaviour and from what I'm reading it looks like you just wanted to start an argument, so if jpds wants to remove the ban I'll leave it to him as I didn't appreciate your contribution to the channel last time | 15:46 |
| ikonia | sorry for the slow reponse, the log server is a little slow today | 15:46 |
| [Screamo] | pshh | 15:55 |
| ikonia | ? | 15:56 |
| jpds | Sorry; busy with discussion at the moment. | 16:11 |
| ikonia | no problem | 16:15 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (wimt- appears to be abusive - 5) | 17:05 |
| ikonia | @bansearch Roasted | 17:42 |
| ubottu | No matches found for roasted!~jason@206.82.22.190 in any channel | 17:42 |
| oly562 | why am i here? | 18:18 |
| oly562 | any am i not able to goto #ubuntu | 18:18 |
| knome | oly562, you are apparently banned from #ubuntu. please wait for somebody to come up and resolve your issue. | 18:18 |
| oly562 | i typed #ubuntu and it too me here | 18:18 |
| oly562 | wtf would i be banned? | 18:19 |
| oly562 | go and find out exactly | 18:19 |
| oly562 | and hang the person who did it | 18:19 |
| IdleOne | oly562: please drop the attitude | 18:19 |
| oly562 | fuck you | 18:19 |
| oly562 | this is an op room | 18:19 |
| IdleOne | ops please remove oly562 | 18:19 |
| oly562 | not a public help room | 18:19 |
| oly562 | who the fuck you think you are.... | 18:19 |
| IdleOne | drop the attitude or you won't be allowed back into #ubuntu | 18:19 |
| oly562 | i didnt nothing to anyone | 18:20 |
| oly562 | i said who are you? | 18:20 |
| oly562 | IdleOne: | 18:20 |
| IdleOne | I am IdleOne | 18:20 |
| IdleOne | an op in #ubuntu | 18:20 |
| oly562 | who are you | 18:20 |
| oly562 | you must be a low level op | 18:20 |
| oly562 | you have not tact | 18:20 |
| IdleOne | asking you to please drop the attitude and also watch your language | 18:20 |
| tsimpson | oly562: if you do not stop, the ban will remain | 18:20 |
| oly562 | i am waiting for access back to ubuntu | 18:21 |
| oly562 | i havent been in that room for like 3-4 days | 18:21 |
| oly562 | at least | 18:21 |
| IdleOne | Now, the reason you were banned is because you were asking for help with a modified flash binary | 18:21 |
| oly562 | i dont want to talk to you IdleOne.... i dont like your attitude | 18:22 |
| IdleOne | you were told that #ubuntu can't help you with that and asked to stop asking but continued | 18:22 |
| oly562 | that is not a reason | 18:22 |
| oly562 | that is not a reason | 18:22 |
| IdleOne | it is | 18:22 |
| oly562 | that is not a reason | 18:22 |
| IdleOne | #ubuntu supports Ubuntu | 18:22 |
| oly562 | to be banned | 18:22 |
| oly562 | IdleOne: how long have you used unix/linux? | 18:22 |
| IdleOne | 6 years | 18:22 |
| IdleOne | not that it matters | 18:22 |
| oly562 | it does matter to me | 18:22 |
| oly562 | i said i dont want to talk to you | 18:23 |
| oly562 | hey ikonia did you fucking ban me you fucking pussy | 18:23 |
| IdleOne | well I see no reason to continue this if you are not willing to discuss. | 18:23 |
| oly562 | your an ass | 18:23 |
| Seeker` | !ops | oly562 | 18:23 |
| ubottu | oly562: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! | 18:23 |
| IdleOne | also your language is not acceptable | 18:23 |
| ubottu | Seeker` called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (oly562) | 18:23 |
| Seeker` | can someone please explain why that conversation carried on past the "who the fuck you think you are..." | 18:24 |
| IdleOne | Seeker`: because we are here to be catalysts :/ | 18:24 |
| IdleOne | but I agree he should of been removed a little earlier | 18:24 |
| IdleOne | anyway he seems to have seeled his ban firmly | 18:24 |
| IdleOne | sealed | 18:24 |
| Seeker` | we are here to catalyse, we aren't here to waste ages speaking to people who clearly aren' capable of being civil | 18:25 |
| IdleOne | Seeker`: 100% agree | 18:25 |
| Seeker` | the response to the "fuck you" should have been !guidelines and !coc | 18:25 |
| Seeker` | the response to "who the fuck you think you are..." should have been removal from this channel | 18:25 |
| IdleOne | I jumped straight to calling for removal. I knew it was not going anywhere but yes I should of pointed to guidelines | 18:26 |
| tsimpson | I'm going to let oly562 back in, he says he'll behave | 19:00 |
| tsimpson | oly562: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support and support of the packages we ship, for 3rd party products we can't and don't provide support in #ubuntu | 19:02 |
| tsimpson | do you understand that? | 19:02 |
| oly562 | i understand | 19:02 |
| tsimpson | please read the following links | 19:03 |
| oly562 | i was asking for links or advice from fellow ubuntu users | 19:03 |
| tsimpson | !coc | 19:03 |
| ubottu | The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct . | 19:03 |
| tsimpson | !guidelines | 19:03 |
| ubottu | The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 19:03 |
| oly562 | yep | 19:03 |
| oly562 | thanks | 19:04 |
| tsimpson | if you want to ask if anyone can help with such 3rd party things, #ubuntu-offtopic would be a more appropriate place to poll the community | 19:04 |
| oly562 | you know, i have asked in there, and they told me to goto #ubuntu, it's not clear to me why that is | 19:05 |
| oly562 | in the past | 19:05 |
| oly562 | so i just goto #ubuntu for help | 19:05 |
| oly562 | there are many times i do not get help but picked on | 19:05 |
| tsimpson | maybe if you explain it's a non-official/modified version flash | 19:05 |
| oly562 | and if you check those logs you will see exactly what i mean | 19:05 |
| tsimpson | other than that, there are forums, general linux and ubuntu specific | 19:05 |
| tsimpson | I'll look into my -offtopic later and check on that | 19:06 |
| oly562 | ya know, im not a pro with flash code, nor really want to know, i simply wanted to know originally if someone had seen a few links or something to point me there, but i didn't get any respect. that is my beef... i must say this is more of a personal ban, i mean who bans someone for asking for links or states their opinion? i dont get it | 19:07 |
| oly562 | referring to offtopic, that would have been months ago... | 19:07 |
| oly562 | i rarely go there anymore | 19:07 |
| IdleOne | when the questions or opinions are off topic and you have been asked several times to stop. we do ban. | 19:07 |
| oly562 | i think flash is a topic for ubuntu and linux users who wish to use it | 19:08 |
| tsimpson | #ubuntu is _purely_ for support, no other chatter is allowed (you know how busy #ubuntu is) | 19:08 |
| oly562 | true | 19:08 |
| IdleOne | the flash package provided in the Ubuntu repos are | 19:08 |
| IdleOne | your modified version is not | 19:08 |
| oly562 | understood, but you do see what i was asking for, right? | 19:09 |
| IdleOne | you were asking for help on a non supported package | 19:09 |
| oly562 | advice or links in passing someone may have seen... thats all. there is always a discovery that users should know about in ubuntu or linux rooms. | 19:09 |
| oly562 | but i see your strict point | 19:10 |
| tsimpson | that is definitely more for -offtopic | 19:10 |
| oly562 | well if you look at your logs, there is plenty of "off topic chatter" | 19:10 |
| oly562 | however, i was picked on | 19:10 |
| oly562 | make sense? | 19:10 |
| IdleOne | no | 19:10 |
| IdleOne | you were contributing to the off topic chatter | 19:10 |
| oly562 | IdleOne: i do not wish to talk to you at this point | 19:10 |
| tsimpson | well, we can't watch 100% of the chat all the time | 19:10 |
| oly562 | your biased | 19:10 |
| tsimpson | I can't say if you were singled-out, I wan't there | 19:11 |
| oly562 | oh i was | 19:11 |
| oly562 | by ikonia | 19:11 |
| oly562 | he has done this before | 19:11 |
| IdleOne | so how does that make me biased? | 19:11 |
| oly562 | anyway | 19:11 |
| oly562 | may i have access to the room, so i can get support again tsimpson | 19:11 |
| tsimpson | if you have read both the links ubottu posted, and agree to stick to the rules, I'll remove the ban | 19:11 |
| IdleOne | imo that is a mistake. his comments to me in PM and also in ##linux show a complete lack of respect for our community guidelines. | 19:12 |
| oly562 | i do not like you IdleOne, do not talk to me | 19:12 |
| tsimpson | IdleOne: I also received some interesting PMs | 19:13 |
| IdleOne | I wasn't | 19:13 |
| oly562 | i only talk to the top brass | 19:13 |
| IdleOne | I also think his attitude in here now shows he still has no intent on follwing the rules | 19:13 |
| oly562 | i think your opinion doesnt matter to me as you are obviously biased | 19:13 |
| IdleOne | decision is yours tsimpson | 19:13 |
| oly562 | i have never spoke to you before either | 19:14 |
| tsimpson | oly562: remember, you have now publicly agreed to the rules. if you break the rules again you will be less likely to get a warning and more likely to be removed/banned instantly | 19:14 |
| oly562 | tsimpson i understand, and i will log my chats in #ubuntu from now on as well | 19:14 |
| tsimpson | they are already logged | 19:15 |
| oly562 | i didnt think i needed to do that anymore, but it appears i will have too | 19:15 |
| tsimpson | !logs | 19:15 |
| ubottu | Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ | 19:15 |
| oly562 | thanks | 19:15 |
| oly562 | for the link | 19:15 |
| oly562 | not as easy for me to track that, i will just log it locally | 19:15 |
| oly562 | i dont have cmdline access to grep things | 19:15 |
| tsimpson | you can join #ubuntu now, remember it's only for official packages support | 19:16 |
| oly562 | so your saying any program in applications > ubuntu software center > search >> some prog that states "Canonical does not provide updates for Searchmonkey. Some updates may be provided by the Ubuntu community." will not be available for help? | 19:17 |
| oly562 | how do i know what is or is not.... | 19:17 |
| tsimpson | anything available in the official ubuntu repositories | 19:18 |
| oly562 | usually that is why i would be in #ubuntu as i could not get a prog to work | 19:18 |
| Pici | Everything within the software center is supported as long as that release is still within its lifecycle. | 19:18 |
| tsimpson | "Canonical" there refers to commercial support | 19:18 |
| oly562 | ic | 19:18 |
| oly562 | hello Pici | 19:18 |
| oly562 | example virtualbox ose, is that support in #ubuntu? just so i am clear | 19:19 |
| oly562 | so anything that shows up in the Ubuntu Software Center i can expect to receive support from the community, i.e., #ubuntu irc room | 19:20 |
| oly562 | correct? | 19:20 |
| tsimpson | unless you add 3rd party sources which provide other packages, yes | 19:20 |
| oly562 | ic | 19:20 |
| oly562 | yes i have changed my sources.list | 19:21 |
| Pici | Within reason. Sometimes there are better places to get support. We may refer you to #vbox for virtual box questions if they are out of our league. | 19:21 |
| oly562 | and added more packages sources | 19:21 |
| oly562 | Pici: ic | 19:21 |
| oly562 | its funny, sometimes i get bounced back and forth between vbox and perl and whatever back to #ubuntu whom then state, go back to those rooms,,, this is the frustrating part, imagine im a new ubuntu user, they will not be too happy and will most likely switch back to windows, this is a huge concern for me as a linux promoter | 19:22 |
| oly562 | new users will get very upset and just reload windows, do we really want that? | 19:22 |
| oly562 | anyway, just pointing out my position on this whole matter... | 19:23 |
| oly562 | thanks for the add, i will return to normal ops and if i need help for whats in sotfware channel, i will log my chats, and hopefully i will not be forwarded here when trying to log into #ubuntu. that was odd, never had that happen before. that must be something new. thanks agian, have a nice day | 19:24 |
| Pici | I'm not sure what he means in the first part of that. | 19:25 |
| IdleOne | he means he's a jerk who plans on being a jerk | 19:26 |
| IdleOne | with all his jerkyness | 19:26 |
| IdleOne | and back to his flash issue... | 19:27 |
| ikonia | I can't believe you've let him back in with that attitude and history | 21:11 |
| ikonia | oly256 is now banned again | 21:12 |
| ikonia | as soon as you let him back in he was asking for support for his modified flash package | 21:12 |
| Pici | ikonia: What makes you think that/ | 21:16 |
| Pici | ? | 21:16 |
| ikonia | asking the same questions about his customised flash package that got him banned before | 21:17 |
| Pici | I don't see anything that would lead me to believe that he was running a modified flash package. | 21:17 |
| Pici | Or am I missing something? | 21:18 |
| ikonia | the 64bit flash package he is using won't play the hula videos - because as he told me before he was banned last time it was modified by him | 21:18 |
| ikonia | it's of course nonsense as you can't recompile closed source stuff, that was his claim though | 21:18 |
| Pici | ikonia: But where NOW does it say that he is running a modified version of flash? | 21:19 |
| ikonia | well lets see, a.) he's a troll b.) he's explained in details why the modified flash package won't work for 1 specific site c.) he's stated he's still can't get it working with the same site, suggesting he's still trying to make his special flash plugin to work (despite it being nosense) d.) the fact that he started asking the same question he was banned for the exact second you let him back in and his attitude suggests it | 21:20 |
| bazhang | ugh. people still recommending manually changing sources.list to upgrade | 23:22 |
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