[01:53] <beny> hi everybody
[01:53] <beny> i have a problem with the virtual box
[01:53] <beny> and this is
[01:54] <beny> whe i work whit my virtual disk in windows, it work good
[01:54] <beny> but in my kubuntu, it don'ts start
[01:54] <beny> whitch is the problem?
[04:38] <power> hi, ive a /backup mount point on fstab (a USB disk), which seems broken i guess, now i cannot boot (hangs at cannot boot /backup)
[04:38] <power> cannt mount0
[04:38] <power> mount*
[04:45] <twb> If it needn't be mounted at boot, add "noauto" to the fstab line
[04:46] <twb> Oh, and remember that in recent versions (ones that have a "mountall" daemon), noauto is actually overloaded to mean something completely different -- sigh.
[05:04] <power> edited fstab with some livecd
[05:04] <power> thanks
[08:24]  * RoyK += 0xc0ffee
[08:30] <jetole> Hey guys. Does anyone know if there is a way I can "preseed" a particular package when I am installing it? Kinda like what we do with preseeding but to use those same values to install a package on a already setup system and therefor skip the part where it asks us all the configuration questions when we set it up?
[08:47] <DGM> hey somehow my main drive is really full. I'm running console only (server). df -h outputs /dev/sda1              65G   59G  2.5G  97%. But i can't figure out what's using so much space. I have tried every main folder in / with sudo du -h, but nothing is bigger then 1gb... whats an easy way to determine whats causing this?
[08:52] <maxb> DGM: You might try 'lsof +L1' to check for deleted files being retainted because they are still open
[08:54] <DGM> maxb: hmm "30623787368     0 3017275 /var/log/kern.log (deleted)"
[08:54] <DGM> and also debug
[08:55] <maxb> 30GB logfile? ouch
[08:56] <DGM> maxb: hehe yea. Its a clean install i only use KVM with the drives for that on seperate harddiscs. Can i change this log behaviour somewhere?
[08:58] <DGM> maxb: figured it out. I had a bandwidth monitor that logged a bit more then i was expecting
[09:01] <DGM> maxb: thanks :)
[09:25] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys i need some help with mail. i followed the tutorials for postfix dovecot and squirrelmail, but im not able to send out going mail via smtp. this is the error i get 0 Can't open SMTP stream. i can recieve incoming mails just fine
[09:46] <jetole> DGM: actually use the du tool. There are better ways to do this then how I remember off the top of my head but I run du -h / to show the file size of all directories and when you find the big one, run du -h /that-directory
[09:46] <jetole> DGM: keep going down the directory tree till you find the big one
[09:47] <jetole> i.e. maybe /var is the biggest dir in / so then you run du -h /var and it says /var/log is the biggest dir in var so you run du -h /var/log and it tells you /var/log/mysql is the biggest did and thats where all your big files that are taking up so much space are
[09:47] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys do you know if there is a ppa somewhere that has a newer version of squirrelmail
[09:48] <jetole> eagles0513875|2: http://www.google.com/search?&q=ppa+squirrelmail
[09:49] <eagles0513875|2> ty jetole
[10:00] <_Techie_> eagles0513875|2, go go gadget brain
[10:00] <eagles0513875|2> _Techie_: haha
[10:59] <serard> Hello everybody
[11:02] <serard> I have a question regarding Ubuntu Enterprise and cloud. I want to create a cloud, and a generic VM that can be distributed to my clients to ease the use of the cloud. So basically they will install the VM on their computer, run it, and that's it. Then they'll be able to connect to this VM via www (lamp stack) and get access to services offered by the cloud. Is this hard to do ?
[11:03] <serard> "Is this hard to do ?" I'm talking about creating this VM with ubuntu enterprise, make it connect seamlessly to the cloud, etc
[11:04] <serard> Without having the user to be a linux-ubuntu  guru
[11:06] <serard> "Then they'll be able to connect to this VM via www (lamp stack)" > They'll be able to connect to the VM via local network, I mean
[12:00] <serard> No one there ? :/
[12:28] <RoyK>  
[12:30] <jpds> I agree.
[13:22] <serard> :)
[13:23] <binBASH> all gone
[13:23] <binBASH> ;)
[14:26] <trogdoro> if I added my own key to authorized_keys and can successfully ssh to the box...
[14:27] <trogdoro> is there any reason I shouldn't delete the key that amazon originally put in authorized_keys?
[14:40] <Krazyderek> can i change the visible size of a samba share without having to change the partitions them selve's? i'm having issue's with photoshop saving to my ubuntu raid 10 fileserver
[14:40] <orudie> anyone here familiar with zoneedit ? I am trying to transfer some domains to zoneedit, but I don't see a place where to enter transfer auth. codes
[14:41] <sommer> ivoks: your office should be in Orlando this week ;-)
[14:42] <ivoks> sommer: not really :)
[14:42] <sommer> heh
[14:45] <\sh> mutt
[14:47] <\sh> grmpf...
[14:51] <sheetzam> ppetraki - server stayed up over night - think we're on to something
[14:52] <sheetzam> so next step is nosmp, but leave acpi on?
[15:02] <ppetraki> sheetzam, great news
[15:02] <ppetraki> sheetzam, yup
[15:13] <sheetzam> ok, set and waiting for it to crash now
[15:19] <JenniferB2> hi folks... how can I add stuff to the PATH variable from one script file under my home/scripts directory ?
[15:19] <JenniferB2> i do not like the bash.rc or profile.d stuff .. because I would like to centralize all my files into one place if I ever need to do simple backups
[15:21] <_ruben> JenniferB2: not sure i understand your issue. do you want to alter your $PATH for just one script?
[15:21] <_ruben> as in: within that script?
[15:24] <JenniferB2> _ruben: I want to change my PATH variable at login... I have previously done stuff like that from profile.d but after reinstalling ubuntu now, i realized that I forgot to copy that file before formatting.. and lost that file and other files spread elsewhere.. so I am trying to place my files in /home including these scripts...
[15:25] <JenniferB2> i could probably just call my scripts from profile.d.. but I was thinking that there is a command to install startup scripts
[15:38] <sjefen6> What is the easiest way to make a fresh ubuntu-server 10.10 install play an ogg stream to an audio output?
[15:40] <dlublink>  I want to create a bootable USB key using the mini 10.04 iso ( 12.5 megs ) instead of a full installer. But the usb creation menu doesn't seem to like the minimal installer and cat mini.iso >/dev/sdb1 works, but won't boot. Any ideas?
[15:41] <dlublink> Maybe the computer I am trying to boot with just doesn't work properly
[15:44] <ppetraki> sheetzam, still alive?
[15:44] <sheetzam> yup
[15:44] <ppetraki> let it go through lunch time
[15:45] <ppetraki> I think I know what happened, but need to run a few more tests to be sure
[15:45] <sheetzam> ok, glad to hear it
[15:45] <ppetraki> who make's this thing?
[15:56] <CharlieSu> Question about logrotate.  In my logrotate definition I'm doing '/usr/bin/killall -HUP rsyslogd' in the 'postrotate' directive.  I'm finding that the PID for Rsyslog doesn't change and that rsyslog will take ~30 seconds before it will start accepting messages again.  This is a centralized logging server that is getting logs from remote servers.  Any idea why it would take ~30 seconds after I run logrotate before rsysl
[16:11] <hallyn> kirkland: just a reminder, if you get a chance can you take another look at the natty kvm merge?
[16:11] <SpamapS> ;/win 21
[16:11] <hallyn> (though by now its been long enough that maybe i should grab the newer tag)
[16:15] <sheetzam> ppetraki - sorry was the "who make's this thing" aimed at me?
[16:16] <ppetraki> sheetzam, :)
[16:16] <ppetraki> sheetzam, server make and model
[16:17] <sheetzam> it's an e-racks quietized server
[16:17] <sheetzam> about 3 years old
[16:17] <sheetzam> http://eracks.com/products/Quiet%20Systems/config?sku=QUIET2
[16:17] <sheetzam> is the current version
[16:18] <sheetzam> gotta run to lunch, can get more details when I return
[16:22] <ppetraki> sheetzam, interesting, I wonder who the ODM is
[16:22] <ppetraki> sheetzam, still running eh?
[17:32] <alex88> hi, my vps isn't starting up..now it's mounted on /repair where can i find logs?
[17:32] <alex88> all files in /var/log has time before the restarts
[17:32] <alex88> it has been shutted down for "cannot allocate memory"
[17:49] <Error404NotFound> how long does it take to upgrade a typical LAMP server based on ubuntu from lucid to maverick typically?
[17:49] <Error404NotFound> :)
[17:54] <alex88> well, old pc? or fast machine?
[18:13] <consumerism> how can i troubleshoot users being able to login? what log file?
[18:29] <pmatulis> consumerism: /var/log/auth.log
[18:46] <consumerism> pmatulis: it's empty.
[18:47] <pmatulis> consumerism: is this a standard server install?
[19:09] <sheetzam> ppetraki - back
[19:10] <sheetzam> and the server has stayed up
[19:11] <ruben23> hi gys i freshly installed ubuntu server and when i get update still i get this issue -------> http://pastebin.com/1bRH1H4Y
[19:16] <pmatulis> ruben23: proxy issue?
[19:17] <ruben23>  pmatulis how should i correct this..?
[19:18] <pmatulis> ruben23: you first need to know if you are using a proxy on your network.  if so, get it configured so you can do what you want to do
[19:19] <osmosis> ive been googling for a few days, and cant find a clear answer on if  Win2k3 as a guest should use ACPI, APIC,and or PAE.
[19:23] <RoyK> osmosis: just a guess, but ACPI and APIC should be there, where PAE shouldn't be needed if on a 64bit platform
[19:24] <latenite> Hi folks, why is "df -T" now showing the filesystemtype? http://pastie.org/1258579
[19:24] <osmosis> RoyK, ive read that ACPI can slow it down a lot, and that PAE actually helps on 64 bit systems.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/105195/comments/50
[19:25] <RoyK> osmosis: erm - PAE is a 32bit thing - if both host and guest are 64bit, PAE doesn't matter
[19:25] <ruben23> pmatulis: what to configure on it, yes i got procy server on my network..
[19:26] <osmosis> RoyK, ahh..guest is 32 bit though
[19:26] <RoyK> osmosis: how much guest memory?
[19:26] <pmatulis> ruben23: that depends what kind it is.  maybe all you need to do is configure your local environment appropriately (credentials?)
[19:26] <RoyK> AFAIK win2k3 32bit doesn't support more than 3,5 gigs or so anyway
[19:27] <osmosis> RoyK, just a gig. way under the 4g mark.
[19:27] <RoyK> osmosis: then PAE isn't something you should worry about
[19:27] <RoyK> PAE = physical address expansion
[19:27] <RoyK> as in, for addressing >4gigs on 32bit
[19:28] <RoyK> s/expansion/extension/
[19:28] <osmosis> RoyK,  i know that, but its a glitchy work around i suppose. check out, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/105195
[19:28] <RoyK> as with ACPI and APIC,  I don't really think it matters if they are enabled
[19:28] <osmosis> RoyK, see comment 50
[19:29] <RoyK> osmosis: ok - well - is this going to be a high-pressure vm?
[19:30] <RoyK> I don't use kvm for windoze stuff myself (we have hyper-v at work, and I just have linux VMs with my kvm setup)
[19:30] <latenite> anyone got a clue on my problem. Hi folks, why is "df -T" now showing the filesystemtype? http://pastie.org/1258579
[19:31] <pmatulis> latenite: well, b/c that's what -T does
[19:31] <osmosis> RoyK, high pressure?
[19:31]  * RoyK RTFMs latenite 
[19:31] <latenite> pmatulis, b/c ?? what the meening of B/C
[19:31] <RoyK> osmosis: high load?
[19:31] <pmatulis> latenite: b/c = because
[19:31] <RoyK> latenite: because
[19:32] <latenite> ** TYPO now = NOT see my paste
[19:32] <osmosis> RoyK, not so much
[19:32] <osmosis> RoyK, 1 cpu should be fine
[19:32] <RoyK> osmosis: then it probably won't matter much
[19:32] <RoyK> osmosis: what sort of server? web server or something?
[19:33] <pmatulis> latenite: it is showing 'devtmpfs' as type
[19:33] <pmatulis> latenite: what's your problem?
[19:33] <osmosis> RoyK, yes
[19:33] <latenite> pmatulis, and above I reformated it as ext3...can you see
[19:34] <RoyK> osmosis: then just install it without any of those options and see if it works well
[19:34] <latenite> RoyK, no I NEED t show fs-type
[19:35] <RoyK> latenite: man df
[19:36] <latenite> RoyK, I read all of it. where am I fof track?
[19:36] <ppetraki> sheetzam, :)
[19:36] <ppetraki> sheetzam, so refresh my memory, what does /proc/cmdline say?
[19:37] <sheetzam> root=/dev/md2 ro nosmp
[19:37] <RoyK> latenite: fof track?
[19:38] <ppetraki> sheetzam, ok, replace nosmp with noapic
[19:38] <sheetzam> ok
[19:38] <pmatulis> latenite: why don't you try mounting your filesystem and *then* checking it?
[19:38] <ppetraki> sheetzam, I believe this will restore SMP but still use legacy interrupts
[19:38] <sheetzam> ok
[19:38] <latenite> RoyK, "of track" = where am I woring...why is it not showing "ext3"?
[19:38] <ppetraki> sheetzam, if this succeed's then it's likely ACPI that did you in
[19:39] <latenite> pmatulis, it is a handmade install scrpt...I dont feel willing to mount JUST to get fs.tyope....WHYT is the deal with df -T ?
[19:39] <ppetraki> sheetzam, so while your hardware stays the same, the ACPI_OSI_NAME advances to match the latest windows
[19:39] <sheetzam> I sorta follow
[19:39] <ppetraki> sheetzam, this causes different code to be execute from the ACPI runtime, just a bunch of tables provided by the firmware
[19:40] <sheetzam> ah, I see
[19:40] <sheetzam> and you suspect that one of those is now mapped incorrectly?
[19:40] <RoyK> osmosis: oh - I see
[19:40] <ppetraki> sheetzam, well, the new runtime code might have misinformed the kernel as to what it needs
[19:40] <RoyK> osmosis: might be a bug - which distro version is this?
[19:40] <ppetraki> sheetzam, which can cause all sorts of havoc
[19:41] <sheetzam> ppetraki - /proc/cmdline: root=/dev/md2 ro noapic
[19:41] <sheetzam> right
[19:41] <ppetraki> sheetzam,  so if noapic succeeds, acpi=noirq should be equivilent
[19:41] <ppetraki> sheetzam, then we can try pretending to be different versions of windows :)
[19:41] <sheetzam> ppetraki - succeeds as in crashes?
[19:41] <ppetraki> sheetzam, succeeds as in stays up
[19:41] <sheetzam> ok
[19:42] <ppetraki> sheetzam, we're isolating the code that deals with interrupt routing
[19:42] <sheetzam> got it
[19:42] <sheetzam> so far so good
[19:42] <ppetraki> :)
[19:43] <pmatulis> latenite: b/c that's the way it works
[19:44] <latenite> pmatulis, you saiy "I CAN NOT" determin fs-type of a unmounted partition with df -T??
[19:45] <pmatulis> latenite: that's right
[19:45] <latenite> pmatulis, is there ANY way to determin fs-type WITHOUT the need to mount
[19:46] <pmatulis> latenite: probably
[19:46] <latenite> pmatulis, would you know a way? and tell
[19:48] <pmatulis> latenite: query the superblock somehow
[19:48] <osmosis> RoyK, im on lucid
[19:52] <pmatulis> latenite: 'sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep magic' then translate that number to what f/s it represents
[19:54] <latenite> pmatulis, wow cool idea. Now Where on my sysetm would I find such a list?
[19:54] <pmatulis> latenite: you've gone far enough.  please do some footwork
[19:54] <pmatulis> latenite: footwork = research
[19:55] <latenite> pmatulis, sure , ok. Thanks for the hint :)
[19:56] <pmatulis> anybody know why my preseeding install prompts for hostname when it got one from dhcp (host line)?
[20:44] <sheetzam> ppetraki - no crashing so far.  Figure let it run over the weekend, pick it up on monday.  You going to be around?
[20:44] <ppetraki> sheetzam, everyday
[20:44] <ppetraki> sheetzam,  so all your cpus are up now?
[20:44] <sheetzam> everyday?  Hopefully not the weekend!
[20:44] <sheetzam> yeah
[20:44] <ppetraki> sheetzam, great!
[20:45] <ppetraki> sheetzam,  so the good news is, even if we don't get a root cause, since you're running a server, you can probably run this way indefinitely
[20:45] <sheetzam> true
[20:45] <sheetzam> I'd rather have a solution, though :)
[20:45] <ppetraki> sheetzam, same here
[20:45] <ppetraki> sheetzam, so as long as you
[20:45] <ppetraki> re
[20:45] <ppetraki> willing to continue we can nail this :)
[20:46] <sheetzam> fortunately this is our dev box, but the prod box is the exact same hardware
[20:46] <sheetzam> yeah, be happy to
[20:46] <ppetraki> great
[20:46] <sheetzam> so far it's been pretty educational
[20:46] <ppetraki> I'm full of useful things, and something else, depends who you ask :-p
[20:49] <sheetzam> right
[20:55] <qubozik> Hi everyone. I'm trying to decide between RHEL and ubuntu. Can someone tell merge benefits of choosing Ubuntu?
[20:56] <qubozik> Me the*
[20:56] <qubozik> For a web server
[20:56] <RoyK> qubozik: we're moving all our linux boxes to ubuntu these days
[20:56] <RoyK> the reasons are diverse, but the most important reason is that ubuntu has more users, and thus bugs are found and fixed faster
[20:57] <RoyK> also, more packages are available, meaning no need for installing from source in most cases
[20:58] <qubozik> RoyK: Yeah I totally agree about the packages. That I agood point. Trying to get certain peel and php modules have been a pain in the past with RHEL
[20:58] <qubozik> Thank you for your reply
[20:58] <qubozik> I'm going to switch to ubuntu too
[20:59] <qubozik> At least run a test box for a bit
[20:59] <RoyK> qubozik: I still can't say I'm completely objective about this, having used debian/ubuntu for 10+ years
[20:59] <RoyK> but still, ubuntu is stable and works better than RHEL (IMHO)
[21:00] <RoyK> the LTS releases should be used, the non-LTS releases only have 18 months support
[21:00] <RoyK> and they aren't prirotitised like LTS releases support-wise
[21:00] <qubozik> I agree too. I use it on my desktop for quite sometime, but at work we use promary RHEL on servers. I was looking to go to ubuntu server but didn't know much about the server version
[21:00] <sheetzam> my company has been using Ubuntu LTS servers for 4 years now, and have no significant issues, and plenty of occasions when stuff just worked
[21:00] <qubozik> Yeah 10.04 is the latest LTS release right?
[21:01] <RoyK> yes
[21:01] <qubozik> Ok that's good to know
[21:01] <qubozik> Ok
[21:01] <RoyK> 12.04 will be the next
[21:01] <qubozik> Yeah in going to setup a test box and fiddle with it in our environment
[21:01] <qubozik> Ok that sounds good
[21:01] <sheetzam> be careful - test boxes turn in to production boxes very quickly and easily :)
[21:02] <qubozik> Are their PPA repos for server versions?
[21:02] <qubozik> For certain packages?
[21:02] <qubozik> Haha yes they do
[21:02] <qubozik> There*
[21:02] <RoyK> qubozik: I work for a research institute, and we have a bunch of researchers needing lots of packages not available on redhat and the likes
[21:02] <RoyK> with ubuntu, apt-get works well for 99% of those
[21:03] <RoyK> PPA?
[21:03] <qubozik> Ok . Looks like the best thing to do is try it out. Thanks for the great info
[21:04] <RoyK> the ubuntu repos are shared between the different distros (server, desktop ...) with the same platform
[21:04] <qubozik> Ppa repos. On ubuntu desktop you can add a ppa repo for an application. Like pidgin or banshee. Its a developmentrepo that jas the lasted version of the app
[21:04] <RoyK> ah
[21:04] <RoyK> ok
[21:04] <RoyK> yes, you can add custom repos
[21:05] <qubozik> So like it is doubtful that a long term release would upgrade php between major versions. So technically I couldadd a ppa php repo and ge the later version without installinghe latest ubuntu
[21:05] <qubozik> Ok cool
[21:05] <qubozik> I'll check it out
[21:06] <qubozik> Thanks again RoyK
[21:07] <ehcah> I am in the process of modifying one of my bind/zone/ files based on a tutorial I found.  It suggests the following line: "home.lan. IN SOA ubuntu.home.lan. hostmaster.home.lan."  When I modify it, I assume it should be: "mydomain.com. IN SOA myservername.mydomain.com. hostmaster.mydomain.com.".   What in this case, is the difference between "ubuntu" and "hostmaster"?  Is it redundant?
[21:10] <alex88> hi guys.. someone have ever seen a folder called mc-root?
[21:15] <highvoltage> yep
[21:16] <alex88> highvoltage, what's about? in tmp folder?
[21:17] <highvoltage> alex88: it's usually created by mc.
[21:17] <alex88> cause after a restart of my vps due high memory usage services not start..
[21:17] <alex88> network and ssh has to be started manually by vps hoster
[21:18] <alex88> highvoltage, and? who's that?
[21:24] <alex88> highvoltage, is that midnight commander?
[21:24] <guntbert> alex88: yes
[21:25] <alex88> guntbert, i've found that in /tmp and i haven't ever installed it..
[21:27] <guntbert> alex88: look who owns it, but usually you get that file when running mc as root, else it will be mc-alessandr (or whatever)
[21:28] <alex88> root
[21:28] <alex88> damn..
[21:29] <alex88> it says 20:28, but at that time the server was down..
[21:29] <alex88> probably virtuozzo repair mode creates that..
[21:33] <Sultan_Mirza> i have exim setup on ubuntu 10.04,  and i want to add some authentication rules any exim guru here
[21:34] <RoyK> Sultan_Mirza: I guess it'll be simpler to try #exim
[21:34]  * RoyK only uses postfix
[21:35] <Sultan_Mirza> well i tried it on exim but seems everybody is asleep there : )
[21:36] <Sultan_Mirza> RoyK: so i thought there must be someone familiar with these rules here
[21:36] <RoyK> sorry, I don't use exim
[21:37] <Sultan_Mirza> RoyK: yeah i got that but in case any here familiar with exim
[21:37] <Sultan_Mirza> http://pastebin.com/UP186itF this is the rule i applied in acl_smpt_rcpt
[21:37] <RoyK> sorry, I don't use exim
[21:38] <Sultan_Mirza> RoyK: ok
[21:38] <Sultan_Mirza> anybody here familiar with exim???
[21:39] <RoyK> you already asked
[21:41] <Sultan_Mirza> RoyK: sorry man
[22:11] <ehcah> RoyK:  I have to ask.  And I assume this will get me banned from this channel.   Do you hate your life or get beaten on all day long?  Anonymity is great, but can leave some people feeling a little over-empowered.  Whenever I've asked questions, or read you responding to others, I'm always impressed with your knowledge.  Heck, I respect it and have changed the way I do things as a result.  BUT - Have yo
[22:11] <ehcah> u ever read the tone of your dialogue?  Do you ever consider that those with less experience than you have tried other channels, google, linuxquestions.org or other medium before posting here?  I HATE posting in this channel.  Before I post, I'm already assuming that if I get a response at all, I'll probably look like an idiot for even asking.  I get that most of you are administrators and enthusiasts w
[22:11] <ehcah> ell above the level of hobbyist.  Tell me though...  Where else can one go to ask Ubuntu Server related questions?  If this channel isn't here for help, lock it down to an invite-only status.
[22:15] <_Techie_> ehcah, it may seem suprising to you, but we all started somewhere
[22:15] <guntbert> ehcah: although the level here gets very high sometimes this channel is for ubuntu-server discussion AND support
[22:18] <guntbert> ehcah: so don't expect as big a helper squad as in #ubuntu -- as to your last question .. consider asking in #bind
[22:21] <RoyK> ehcah: I really don§t understand what you're getting at
[22:21] <ehcah> guntbert:  I wasn't  concerned about the lack of response to my question. My feedback is based on the way another after mine was responded to.
[22:23] <RoyK> ehcah: wtf are you talking about, sir?
[22:24] <ivoks> ehcah: notice that UDS is this week
[22:24] <ivoks> ehcah: most of the people aren't there
[22:24] <guntbert> ehcah: I understood -- part of the problem (in tone too) seem to be that this channel has two purposes - discussion (mostly between "experts") and support - and its not always easy to switch between those
[22:25] <guntbert> RoyK: easy on the language please
[22:25] <_Techie_> also, none of us get payed for this, so its to be expected that we may occasionally use 'improper' tones (if you can call them tones in text based chat)
[22:25] <RoyK> guntbert: the language of mine is quite eased, but I still want to know why ehcah is so upset
[22:27] <guntbert> RoyK: its not for me to interpret his concern - but I can confirm that you sometimes tend to be less than polite :-)
[22:28] <ehcah> guntbert:  I don't disagree.  Maybe, and it would be up to those (as _Techie_) mentions willing to offer up their time to create a channel like #ubuntu-server-beginners.  I'm sure others like myself would respect the distinction between both channels.  Again, I certainly appreciate that no one here gets paid for support.  I did not to intend to insinuate, if I did, that each question deserves an answer,
[22:28] <ehcah>  simply because it was asked.  Everyone, please accept my apologies if that is how it was interpreted.
[22:28] <RoyK> guntbert: mostly I'm quite polite, I help out more than quite  a lot of others here
[22:29] <ehcah> RoyK:  I am slow to respond as I am trying to chose my words carefully.
[22:29] <RoyK> ehcah: I can't remember to have answered rudely to you
[22:29] <ivoks> there's no need for -beginners
[22:30] <RoyK> nor any others here, unless they ask questions repeatedly that are documented
[22:30] <ivoks> instead of looking at you guys outsmarting each other, it would be better to actually see *the question*
[22:30] <guntbert> RoyK: certainly you help a lot - appreciated :-))
[22:30] <RoyK> to ask people to RTFM now and then is normal
[22:30] <_Techie_> ehcah, -beginners is a good idea, but it would only overcomplicate things and make the support even worse
[22:30] <ehcah> RoyK:  It is not my intention to start a public debate.  I was simply trying to remind you that at the end of the day, people ask questions in this group because they have a similar interest.
[22:31] <RoyK> ehcah: I also ask silly question in here
[22:31] <RoyK> ehcah: I just don't understand why you attack me for being something speacial
[22:32] <guntbert> splitting up a channel that already has a very thin "helper population" would be a bad idea in my opinion
[22:32] <RoyK> #ubuntu-server shouldn't be split up
[22:33] <guntbert> RoyK: agreed!!!
[22:33] <RoyK> there are newbies here, sure, but most of them behave
[22:33] <ehcah> RoyK:  As an example.  Go up this thread about a page and a half.  Sultan_Mirza asked a question.  You responded that you didn't know his product.  Big deal.  When he asked the group again, your answer almost appeared to come from the group, rather than you.
[22:34] <qkumbers> does anyone know how to unconfigure an ldap client?
[22:34] <ivoks> unconfigure ldap client?
[22:34] <ivoks> which ldap client and what's there to unconfigure?
[22:34] <RoyK> ehcah: he asked for help on exim, got no answer, and went on asking, which isn't really netiquette
[22:34] <ehcah> I beleive the question was asked a second time because the individual would have felt the first conversation had ended, and needed to start again.
[22:35] <ehcah> just my 2 cents...
[22:35] <guntbert> qkumbers: please answer to ivoks
[22:35]  * RoyK hands back ehcah his 2 cents 
[22:35] <qkumbers> ivoks: sorry, what i meant was, i set up an ldap server, then i configured another ubuntu server as a client. i would like to undo that configuration via auth-client-config
[22:36] <RoyK> ivoks: if it's PAM, it all goes in /etc/pam.d
[22:37] <ivoks> qkumbers: purge auth-client-config?
[22:37] <qkumbers> ivoks: is that a command or are you asking a question? if the latter, then the answer is yes
[22:37] <ivoks> qkumbers: i don't know exact command with auth-client-config
[22:37] <ivoks> qkumbers: i do know which files it changed
[22:38] <qkumbers> i wonder if there is a basic profile i can load with auth-client-config as opposed to lac_ldap
[22:39] <ivoks> there is
[22:39] <ivoks> qkumbers: try with lac_pam or lac_unix
[22:39] <qkumbers> also, there is a --reset option, but i don't understand if i still pass in a profile or not
[22:39] <ivoks> or lac_shadow
[22:39] <qkumbers> ivoks: oh ok, let me give that a shot, which would you recommend first?
[22:39] <ivoks> --reset probably does th trick
[22:39] <ivoks> did you read man page?
[22:40] <qkumbers> ivoks: yes, but i didn't understand at first, now i see an example
[22:40] <ivoks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AuthClientConfig
[22:40] <qkumbers> i think it is auth-client-config -t nss -p lac_ldap -r
[22:42] <ivoks> that should be it, yes
[22:42] <ivoks> or, better:
[22:42] <ivoks> auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap -r
[22:42] <qkumbers> ivoks: ok, hopefully that doesn't hurt
[22:43] <qkumbers> ivoks: no, -t nss was the better choice it turned out
[22:44] <qkumbers> because the original command was run with that option
[22:44] <qkumbers> thanks for your help
[22:44] <RoyK> guntbert: if you're jalous about not knowing too much, please don't let that harm orthers
[23:49] <jdimatteo> hi all, I'm trying to setup NIS to better handle when the network connection drops.  How can I configure NIS to first check the local passwd file when logging in as a local user such as root?  I'd like to avoid the NIS timeout and warning/errors like "do_ypcall: clnt_call: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = No route to host"
[23:50] <jdimatteo> I'd really appreciate some help.  I couldn't find an easy answer on google, I'm sort of a linux admin newbie, and the NIS manualls are friggen huge
[23:55] <pmatulis> jdimatteo: edit /etc/nsswitch.conf
[23:56] <pmatulis> jdimatteo: man nsswitch.conf