[12:06] <Pendulum> morning
[12:06] <nigelb> good morning Pendulum :)
[12:07] <Pendulum> how're you nigelb?
[12:08] <nigelb> Pendulum: tried.  At work.
[12:08] <Pendulum> :(
[12:08]  * Pendulum hugs nigelb 
[12:09]  * nigelb hugs Pendulum back
[12:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:38] <Pendulum> morning czajkowski :)
[12:40] <czajkowski> so_tired
[12:41]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski 
[12:41] <Pendulum> I am really wide awake
[12:43] <czajkowski> mind if I turn on dryer
[12:43] <Pendulum> not at all
[12:43] <Pendulum> i might stick some clothes in the washer while yours are drying
[12:43] <czajkowski> ok
[13:02] <duanedesign> morning Pendulum and czajkowski
[13:04] <duanedesign> Pendulum: czajkowski did you guys go to the party last night? How was it?
[13:04] <czajkowski> bit of fun
[13:05] <czajkowski> duanedesign: you gone ?
[13:07] <duanedesign> czajkowski: yeah I left around 6:30p.m. yesterrday
[13:08] <duanedesign> czajkowski: i should of done a better  job of saying goodbye to everyone. I really enjoyed meeting you and Pendulum
[13:09] <czajkowski> duanedesign: ye grand, glad you had a good time
[13:10] <duanedesign> it really was, for lack  of a better term, awesome.
[13:10] <Pendulum> duanedesign: it was good to meet you too
[13:30] <nigelb> ok, food!
[13:30] <nigelb> I haz chicken rolls, beef rolls, and something cold.
[14:06] <smallfoot-> i want someone appointed to Ubuntu Privacy Council
[14:07] <smallfoot-> or Privacy Director, or Minister of Privacy
[14:07] <nigelb> czajkowski, Pendulum: when do you both get out?
[14:07] <nhandler> Uh, what would that person do smallfoot- ?
[14:08] <smallfoot-> handle all privacy issues
[14:08] <smallfoot-> make sure that ubuntu does not "leak" private information
[14:08] <smallfoot-> work to increase and strenghten privacy in ubuntu
[14:08] <smallfoot-> work to inform and educate users about privacy
[14:09] <smallfoot-> work to have sensible notifications and warnings about privacy to inform
[14:09] <smallfoot-> handle and investigate privacy reports
[14:09] <smallfoot-> work to use sane default settings that respects privacy
[14:09] <smallfoot-> investigate potential improvements that could be done to increase privacy
[14:10] <smallfoot-> make sure network communication protocols use encryption by default and warn if encryption is not used
[14:13] <smallfoot-> who should i talk with to create such a position?
[14:14] <nigelb> probably the community council
[14:14] <nigelb> !cc
[14:14] <ubot2> Factoid 'cc' not found
[14:14] <nigelb> bah
[14:21] <smallfoot-> oh
[14:30] <jussi> smallfoot-: that already exists - its the security team
[14:30]  * nigelb waves to jussi 
[14:30] <jussi> hiya
[14:30] <smallfoot-> oh
[14:31] <jussi> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security
[14:32] <smallfoot-> are they doing a good enough job?
[14:32] <smallfoot-> because if they just are patching things and uploading them to repo, they're not doing a good job
[14:32] <jussi> Mind their job is purely a software job.
[14:33] <AlanBell> smallfoot-: do you have a specific concern?
[14:33] <smallfoot-> privacy
[14:33] <AlanBell> sure
[14:33] <smallfoot-> X-Chat does not use SSL when connecting to irc.ubuntu.com by default
[14:33] <smallfoot-> there is no way to clean flash cookies
[14:34] <AlanBell> file a bug
[14:34] <smallfoot-> there is no tool that cleans browser history of all browsers installed, cleans MRU, etc
[14:34] <jussi> there is a checkbox on bugs for security vulnerabilities
[14:34] <smallfoot-> this isnt a security vulnerability, its a privacy vulnerability
[14:35] <smallfoot-> will chinese dissidents who use ubuntu get tortured because ubuntu has poor security and privacy practices?
[14:35]  * AlanBell appoints smallfoot- to the job
[14:36] <jussi> smallfoot-: please file bugs - its the best way to get things done
[14:36] <smallfoot-> ok
[14:36] <AlanBell> not entirely joking either, go right ahead and be that person advocating for privacy across the distro
[14:37] <AlanBell> that would be a great contribution you could do. File bugs, do the advocacy, educate everyone of the importance of it
[14:37] <smallfoot-> then i would need be officially appointed and reckongnized as such
[14:37] <AlanBell> do the job, the job title comes later
[14:37] <smallfoot-> ok
[14:38] <AlanBell> file bugs (and fix some), apply for Ubuntu membership, blog about privacy on planet ubuntu
[14:38] <AlanBell> maybe set up a privacy team that you can lead when a team is needed for it
[14:39] <AlanBell> there is someone who used to hang out in the uk loco who works for privacy international and is a bit of a privacy geek
[14:40] <smallfoot-> cool
[14:40] <AlanBell> I could tell you his name, but then I would have to shoot you
[14:40] <AlanBell> :)
[14:42] <czajkowski> nigelb: we both leave Wednesday
[14:43] <smallfoot-> :p
[14:45] <nigelb> czajkowski: whoa!
[14:45] <nigelb> AlanBell: hah, privacy geek indeed :D
[14:46] <nigelb> czajkowski: lucky!
[14:48] <czajkowski> yarp
[14:48] <czajkowski> few days being a tourist before the big move
[15:09] <sense> goedemorgen
[15:13] <nigelb> hello sense :)
[15:13] <sense> hi nigelb!
[15:13] <sense> How are you?
[15:13] <nigelb> Tired.  Brain dead.  At work :/
[15:13] <sense> aw
[15:14] <sense> I have to move now, the hotels taff wants me to.
[15:15] <czajkowski> diddums
[15:15] <sense> czajkowski: I've just got confirmation that I am the new LoCo-contact of Ubuntu NL. You can now scream at me.
[15:16]  * nigelb screams at sense with senseless words :p
[15:16] <sense> nigelb: Not you, you silly!
[15:21] <nigelb> sense: oh, right, czajkowski :D
[15:21] <sense> yeah, right!
[15:44] <duanedesign> Technoviking: ping]
[15:44] <duanedesign> hello sense
[15:44] <sense> hi duanedesign
[15:45] <duanedesign> sense: about to head home?
[15:45] <sense> duanedesign: Sitting in the lobby writing mails and blog posts. May go on a small trip before heading home.
[15:45] <duanedesign> sense: ahh, cool idea
[15:55] <nigelb> sense: you vacated your room?
[15:55] <sense> nigelb: Yes, I'm sitting in the lobby right now.
[15:55] <nigelb> sense: ah, boring.  Head to the airport then :D
[15:56] <sense> My plane leaves at 19.30 EDT
[15:56] <sense> It is now 10.56 EDT
[15:56] <nigelb> gah, so much time!
[15:56] <AlanBell> downtown disney?
[15:57] <AlanBell> or go on the boats by the swan and dolphin/boardwalk resort
[15:57] <nigelb> time to head home for some much needed rest.
[15:57] <nigelb> laters all!
[15:58] <sense> see you!