[01:41] <scott-upstairs> holstein, actually audacity will be there if anyone installs video
[01:41] <scott-upstairs> i know that seems counterintuitive, but...
[01:42] <scott-upstairs> if someone is making a movie and needs to edit sound, say for a menu, or for a soundtrack
[01:42] <scott-upstairs> or even to edit a sound effect
[03:57] <holstein> ScottL: yeah
[03:57] <holstein> i like that actually
[03:57] <holstein> audacity in the video meta-package
[04:03] <ScottL> holstein, it seemed more appropriate, but if there is enough desire from users, say enough to make a workflow ;), then it certainly can be put back into one of the audio seeds
[04:04] <holstein> ScottL: i dont think it has a place in a pro audio workflow personally
[04:04] <holstein> but, i know lots of new folk use it
[04:04] <holstein> and podcasters
[04:04] <holstein> for simple editing
[04:04] <holstein> just pulling in a stereo track and cutting it up
[04:04] <holstein> works great
[04:04] <holstein> and easy
[04:04] <holstein> no JACK required
[04:05] <ScottL> i wanted to create a podcasting workflow and gave it quite a bit of thought, but didn't come up with a complete one, at least with applications direct from the archives
[04:06] <ScottL> i've been thinking about this too, however
[04:07] <holstein> ScottL: ardour would be ideal
[04:07] <holstein> its really just the JACK set-up
[04:07] <ScottL> i was thinking about trying to get Ubuntu Studio merchandise created (this is not a new idea)
[04:07] <holstein> ScottL: totally
[04:07] <holstein> great idea
[04:08] <ScottL> and using the proceeds to perhaps fund getting a developer to make mumble jack aware
[04:08] <ScottL> incidentally this could fund other directions that ubuntu studio would like to go
[04:08] <holstein> ScottL: i like that
[04:08] <holstein> put it toward whatever development is needed at the time
[04:09]  * holstein gotta run
[04:09] <holstein> BBL
[04:10] <ScottL> but, this is not a unilateral decision for me to make, i expect to need to clear the use of "ubuntu" and perhaps "studio" as well
[04:14] <ScottL> and at least two people should be accountable (no pun intended) for the proceeds to avoid the appearance or occurrence of impropriety 
[06:34] <stochastic> ScottL, why is Lilypond and Denemo being ditched in Natty?
[06:36]  * stochastic reads the full e-mail and highly disagrees with some of the package removals
[06:40] <stochastic> If I do recall correctly, all of the packages currently included in the metas are there because they serve a distinct workflow purpose that no other package/app serves.
[06:42] <stochastic> Why are all the DJ apps being removed?  Why is CSound being removed? JDelay!?!
[06:45] <stochastic> Rather than removing everything that someone doesn't list on the workflow page, why not take out the items that people can prove are redundant in the meta?
[06:59] <ScottL> stochastic, the decisions were worked over with persia, among them replacing denemo and lilypond with mscore
[06:59]  * ScottL realizes that persia is not the be all, end all however
[07:00] <ScottL> stochastic, can you provide some workflows that will utilize the applications you mentioned?
[07:02] <ScottL> replacing applications back into the seeds is not objectionable, far from it
[07:03] <ScottL> i hope to see community involvement to keep the applications, actually
[07:05] <ScottL> stochastic, i'm presuming you are away at the moment, however, when you get back i would like to discuss possibly creating a audio-dj task/seed
[07:24] <stochastic> ScottL, I'll copy the current wiki onto my netbook (as I do have time to work while on my commute) and edit up some tasks
[07:25] <stochastic> an audio-dj seed seems redundant to me at first (i.e. would contain many of the same low level basics that the audio meta would)
[13:52] <ScottL> stochastic, i have been updating the seeds but they haven't been pushed yet or the -meta updated
[13:52] <ScottL> i had been waiting for input from users
[13:53] <ScottL> also, the audio seed has been split into three seeds: audio-common, recording, and generation
[13:53] <ScottL> the idea is to try to give a user a smaller subset of the audio applications as they desire
[13:54] <ScottL> the premise is that someone who does not play an instrument would not want several additional applications like guitarix, et al
[13:54] <ScottL> hopefully this will also help with the length of the menu
[14:02] <ScottL>  
[14:03] <ScottL> stochastic, i would expect many of the "low level basics" that you mentioned would be included already in the audio-common seed
[14:04] <ScottL> which an audio-dj would then depend on as well in the same manner as the generation and recording seeds
[14:53] <TheMuso> Hey folks. Just checking in briefly before boarding my flight to Boston.
[15:53] <paultag> TheMuso, Hell yeah! Where abouts?
[15:53] <paultag> TheMuso, That there is my homeland
[21:12] <TheMuso> paultag: Flew from Orlando to Boston.
[21:18] <paultag> TheMuso, I grew up in Boston
[21:18] <TheMuso> Cool.
[21:18] <paultag> TheMuso, good flight I hope :)
[21:20] <TheMuso> Yeah wasn't too bad, a few screaming children though.