[01:41] holstein, actually audacity will be there if anyone installs video [01:41] i know that seems counterintuitive, but... [01:42] if someone is making a movie and needs to edit sound, say for a menu, or for a soundtrack [01:42] or even to edit a sound effect [03:57] ScottL: yeah [03:57] i like that actually [03:57] audacity in the video meta-package [04:03] holstein, it seemed more appropriate, but if there is enough desire from users, say enough to make a workflow ;), then it certainly can be put back into one of the audio seeds [04:04] ScottL: i dont think it has a place in a pro audio workflow personally [04:04] but, i know lots of new folk use it [04:04] and podcasters [04:04] for simple editing [04:04] just pulling in a stereo track and cutting it up [04:04] works great [04:04] and easy [04:04] no JACK required [04:05] i wanted to create a podcasting workflow and gave it quite a bit of thought, but didn't come up with a complete one, at least with applications direct from the archives [04:06] i've been thinking about this too, however [04:07] ScottL: ardour would be ideal [04:07] its really just the JACK set-up [04:07] i was thinking about trying to get Ubuntu Studio merchandise created (this is not a new idea) [04:07] ScottL: totally [04:07] great idea [04:08] and using the proceeds to perhaps fund getting a developer to make mumble jack aware [04:08] incidentally this could fund other directions that ubuntu studio would like to go [04:08] ScottL: i like that [04:08] put it toward whatever development is needed at the time [04:09] * holstein gotta run [04:09] BBL [04:10] but, this is not a unilateral decision for me to make, i expect to need to clear the use of "ubuntu" and perhaps "studio" as well [04:14] and at least two people should be accountable (no pun intended) for the proceeds to avoid the appearance or occurrence of impropriety [06:34] ScottL, why is Lilypond and Denemo being ditched in Natty? [06:36] * stochastic reads the full e-mail and highly disagrees with some of the package removals [06:40] If I do recall correctly, all of the packages currently included in the metas are there because they serve a distinct workflow purpose that no other package/app serves. [06:42] Why are all the DJ apps being removed? Why is CSound being removed? JDelay!?! [06:45] Rather than removing everything that someone doesn't list on the workflow page, why not take out the items that people can prove are redundant in the meta? [06:59] stochastic, the decisions were worked over with persia, among them replacing denemo and lilypond with mscore [06:59] * ScottL realizes that persia is not the be all, end all however [07:00] stochastic, can you provide some workflows that will utilize the applications you mentioned? [07:02] replacing applications back into the seeds is not objectionable, far from it [07:03] i hope to see community involvement to keep the applications, actually [07:05] stochastic, i'm presuming you are away at the moment, however, when you get back i would like to discuss possibly creating a audio-dj task/seed [07:24] ScottL, I'll copy the current wiki onto my netbook (as I do have time to work while on my commute) and edit up some tasks [07:25] an audio-dj seed seems redundant to me at first (i.e. would contain many of the same low level basics that the audio meta would) [13:52] stochastic, i have been updating the seeds but they haven't been pushed yet or the -meta updated [13:52] i had been waiting for input from users [13:53] also, the audio seed has been split into three seeds: audio-common, recording, and generation [13:53] the idea is to try to give a user a smaller subset of the audio applications as they desire [13:54] the premise is that someone who does not play an instrument would not want several additional applications like guitarix, et al [13:54] hopefully this will also help with the length of the menu [14:02] [14:03] stochastic, i would expect many of the "low level basics" that you mentioned would be included already in the audio-common seed [14:04] which an audio-dj would then depend on as well in the same manner as the generation and recording seeds [14:53] Hey folks. Just checking in briefly before boarding my flight to Boston. [15:53] TheMuso, Hell yeah! Where abouts? [15:53] TheMuso, That there is my homeland [21:12] paultag: Flew from Orlando to Boston. [21:18] TheMuso, I grew up in Boston [21:18] Cool. [21:18] TheMuso, good flight I hope :) [21:20] Yeah wasn't too bad, a few screaming children though.