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| ebroder | ScottK: is it reasonable to INVALID a backport request for a bug fix? There's a separate bug tracking an SRU for the same fix | 01:06 |
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| ebroder | (bug #666204; sru request is bug #619015) | 01:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 666204 in maverick-backports "Please backport dictionaries-common 1.5.15 to Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666204 | 01:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 619015 in dictionaries-common (Ubuntu) "dictionaries-common versions of ispell.el and flyspell.el break recent emacsen" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619015 | 01:07 |
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| ebroder | slangasek: i've been just pressing escape as soon as plymouth shows up to see the warning. more reliable than finding the right planetary alignment to see it :) | 01:00 |
| Kaleo | hi | 02:12 |
| Kaleo | there is a bug in maverick fixed in the natty package and I cannot find the documentation for the process of requesting a backport of the fix | 02:13 |
| Kaleo | here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/664531 | 02:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 664531 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "xdg-email fails with Ubuntu 10.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 02:13 |
| ebroder | !sru | Kaleo | 02:21 |
| ubottu | Kaleo: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 02:21 |
| Kaleo | ebroder: thank you very much | 02:22 |
| ebroder | np | 02:22 |
| slangasek | ebroder: oh; feel free to amend the test case | 07:00 |
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| BlackZ | lucidfox: bug #608159: are you working on that merge? | 09:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 608159 in liferea (Ubuntu) "Please merge liferea 1.6.4-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608159 | 09:25 |
| lucidfox | BlackZ> no | 09:53 |
| BlackZ | lucidfox: ok, if you don't mind, I'd merge it :) | 09:53 |
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| corecode | hey | 13:14 |
| corecode | i'm trying to package a setuid binary, but somehow that doesn't work | 13:14 |
| corecode | is there something special i need to do? | 13:14 |
| corecode | the permissions appear unchanged, already in the staging area | 13:14 |
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| debfx | corecode: dh_fixperms might remove the setuid bit | 13:18 |
| corecode | ah, thanks | 13:19 |
| corecode | that's it | 13:19 |
| corecode | or not :/ | 13:20 |
| corecode | ah yes | 13:21 |
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| dylan-m | d | 15:00 |
| iulian | e | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | f | 15:01 |
| azeem | dylan-m: please don't do that | 15:03 |
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| corecode | any suggestions how to run a single command on bootup from a package? | 15:53 |
| corecode | provide an init script? | 15:53 |
| corecode | or add a @reboot line to cron? | 15:53 |
| debfx | corecode: I'd go with an init script or upstart job | 15:59 |
| corecode | i'd like to keep it compatible with debian | 16:01 |
| corecode | do they use upstart? | 16:01 |
| debfx | no | 16:01 |
| corecode | ok | 16:01 |
| debfx | don't forget to check in the init script if the package is still installed | 16:05 |
| ggeorgy | hi | 16:18 |
| highvoltage | persia: debian has yet another definition for 'flavour': http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends | 16:44 |
| bgamari | Scott Remnant in the house? | 16:45 |
| highvoltage | bgamari: he's Keybuk on irc, so doesn't seem so | 16:47 |
| bgamari | Is it common that distribution specific changes to kernel parameters exposed through /proc/sys are changed in the kernel tree instead of /etc/sysctl.conf? | 16:51 |
| bgamari | Scott seems to think that if a change in the default swappiness were to happen it should happen in the kernel tree | 16:51 |
| bgamari | which seems a little strange to me | 16:52 |
| bgamari | isn't this the precise reason we have sysctl(8) | 16:52 |
| ogra_ac | bgamari, well, not if you can convince upstream to take the change | 17:00 |
| ogra_ac | its one piece less to maintin | 17:00 |
| ogra_ac | *maintain | 17:00 |
| ogra_ac | sysctl is to override defaults | 17:01 |
| bgamari | ogra_ac: Precisely | 17:05 |
| bgamari | ogra_ac: Upstream will not take a change in the default swapiness | 17:05 |
| bgamari | this seems quite clear | 17:05 |
| bgamari | especially not a change to what ubuntu should be using in its desktop distribution (probably between 10 and 30) | 17:06 |
| bgamari | I suspect Scott was suggesting that the swapiness should be changed in the ubuntu kernel tree | 17:09 |
| bgamari | but still, as you said, sysctl is to override defaults | 17:10 |
| bgamari | why would we pollute the ubuntu tree with patches that have no hope of making it upstream when there is a perfectly good mechanism for overriding this value in userspace? | 17:10 |
| ebroder | sysctl can also be used to set defaults. c.f. /etc/sysctl.d/10-zeropage.conf | 17:11 |
| ebroder | err, reading the comments, i guess that's actually a bad example | 17:12 |
| bgamari | Either way, this insistence on going through the kernel tree is one of the few reasons #516834 hasn't moved forward | 17:12 |
| bgamari | we have known that the current swapiness is ill-suited for desktop use for almost a year | 17:14 |
| bgamari | s/known/recognized/ | 17:14 |
| bgamari | it's been known for far longer than that | 17:14 |
| ebroder | reading the discussion, i agree with Keybuk. and it looks like the reason the bug isn't making any progress is because people were being stubbornly unhelpful while JFo was trying to triage | 17:16 |
| ebroder | (primarily that the different kernel flavors give you the distinction you want to figure out what swappiness should be set to, which you don't have in the procps package) | 17:17 |
| bgamari | ebroder: Perhaps there could be packages containing bits of server- or desktop-specific configuration (e.g. sysctl.d files) | 17:19 |
| ebroder | we have that already. linux-image-generic vs. linux-image-server | 17:19 |
| bgamari | true | 17:19 |
| bgamari | I guess that would be the appropriate place in that case | 17:19 |
| bgamari | ebroder: It's true that people weren't particularly helpful | 17:24 |
| bgamari | but it's also true that a vague request for "testing" with no further qualification isn't going to get you particularly useful responses | 17:24 |
| ebroder | bgamari: people were actively unhelpful and antagonistic to the guy whose job it is to figure out what bugs the kernel team should be paying attention to. i think the result was fairly predictable | 17:26 |
| bgamari | fair enough | 17:27 |
| bgamari | ebroder: The problem with dropping a file in sysctl.d from linux-image-* is that there is no dependency on procps | 17:29 |
| bgamari | ebroder: Is it acceptable to carry a file in package A that has no use without package B, while there is no relationship between A and B | 17:30 |
| ebroder | is there not a config flag or something to set the default swappiness? | 17:32 |
| bgamari | let me check | 17:33 |
| ebroder | hmm...looks like not. that might be a good resolution - come up with a CONFIG_SWAPPINESS or whatever, because that's easy to frob on a per-flavor basis | 17:33 |
| bgamari | doesn't look like | 17:33 |
| bgamari | it | 17:33 |
| ebroder | and that might be upstreamable | 17:34 |
| bgamari | definitely | 17:34 |
| bgamari | I'll try working up a patch | 17:37 |
| bgamari | ebroder: patch attached | 17:56 |
| ebroder | bgamari: i'm not really qualified to pass judgement, but that looks reasonable to me | 17:58 |
| ebroder | should CONFIG_DEFAULT_SWAPPINESS depend on CONFIG_SWAP or something like that? | 17:59 |
| bgamari | probably | 17:59 |
| ebroder | (i don't really have a good understanding of how kconfig works) | 18:00 |
| bgamari | I'll fold that in and send it out as an RFC to see how repulsive the kernel folks find it | 18:00 |
| * ebroder nods | 18:00 | |
| bgamari | I don't have great hope | 18:00 |
| bgamari | but you never know | 18:01 |
| maco | hi ben | 18:01 |
| bgamari | by this logic, the kernel should expose all sysctl knobs in Kconfig | 18:01 |
| bgamari | maco, hey! | 18:01 |
| bgamari | long time | 18:01 |
| maco | aye! get back down to dc for a visit! :P | 18:01 |
| bgamari | heh, we'll see what happens | 18:02 |
| bgamari | First I have to pass my quals up here | 18:02 |
| bgamari | I probably shouldn't even be doing coding work at the moment | 18:02 |
| bgamari | but a man can only take so much physics | 18:02 |
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| debfx | ScottK: what's blocking no-change backports? it's been over a month since you approved gcc-3.3 and virtualbox | 21:14 |
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