| wgrant | What's happening with vostok these days? | 01:03 |
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| LPCIBot | Project parallel-test build (12): STILL FAILING in 2 hr 11 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/12/ | 01:08 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: hey | 01:26 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: so in the person merge code | 01:26 |
| lifeless | there is an XXX from you | 01:26 |
| lifeless | about recipes and a function to write. | 01:26 |
| lifeless | but no bug # | 01:26 |
| mwhudson | ah oops | 01:26 |
| lifeless | did you forget to put the bug # in, or is the bug mythical? It seems like an important before-live-todo, to me | 01:26 |
| mwhudson | i don't remember filing a bug :/ | 01:27 |
| lifeless | perhaps you could ? | 01:27 |
| mwhudson | this is about person merge not blowing up if you merge two accounts that have a recipe of the same name | 01:27 |
| lifeless | I would assume so | 01:27 |
| lifeless | also, I have sent a needs-to-be-digested mail to the list about code structure | 01:28 |
| lifeless | I'm totally sure its impenetrable due to jetlag :) | 01:28 |
| mwhudson | well, i'm pretty sure it would be to me :-) | 01:28 |
| lifeless | Hard / Soft Page ID | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 266 / 0 Archive:EntryResource:getBuildSummariesForSourceIds | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 162 / 260 BugTask:+index | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 133 / 161 CodeImportSchedulerApplication:CodeImportSchedulerAPI | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 121 / 43 Person:+commentedbugs | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 107 / 282 Distribution:+bugs | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 100 / 0 MailingListApplication:MailingListAPIView | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 29 / 53 Archive:+packages | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 26 / 1956 Archive:+index | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 21 / 25 Milestone:+index | 02:02 |
| lifeless | 15 / 85 POFile:+translate | 02:02 |
| thumper | lifeless: did arsenic get new code? | 02:15 |
| thumper | lifeless: MailingListApplication:MailingListAPIView lives there | 02:16 |
| thumper | lifeless: and while I did only one method, it should have helped | 02:16 |
| thumper | lifeless: see my note about getting the method used into the pageid for xmlrpc calls | 02:16 |
| lifeless | no | 02:17 |
| lifeless | its a SPOF at the moment | 02:17 |
| lifeless | there is an RT to fix that | 02:18 |
| lifeless | when thats done, it will be in the nodowntime set | 02:18 |
| lifeless | thumper: I replied about the xmlrpc pageid | 02:18 |
| lifeless | thumper: 'yes we can change it, there is a bug already I think | 02:18 |
| lifeless | paraphrasing | 02:18 |
| thumper | lifeless: did you? must of missed it | 02:19 |
| lifeless | 11:58 < lifeless> whats arsenic | 02:19 |
| lifeless | 11:59 < lifeless> yes, there is a bug already | 02:19 |
| thumper | ah | 02:19 |
| thumper | yes, see it now | 02:20 |
| * thumper goes to make a coffee | 02:20 | |
| lifeless | wgrant: when are your exams done with ? | 02:29 |
| wgrant | lifeless: 23rd. | 02:29 |
| lifeless | of nov? | 02:30 |
| wgrant | Ja. | 02:31 |
| lifeless | kk | 02:31 |
| lifeless | lots of prep time then ;) | 02:31 |
| lifeless | gl | 02:31 |
| wgrant | Thanks. | 02:31 |
| thumper | wgrant: how many exams? | 02:32 |
| wgrant | thumper: Just the three. | 02:32 |
| thumper | not too bad then :) | 02:32 |
| wgrant | Since the fourth subject was the project, which lacks an exam. | 02:32 |
| wgrant | Indeed. | 02:33 |
| wgrant | 10, 11, 23 | 02:33 |
| thumper | I remember my first year exams, Saturday am, Tuesday am, Tuesday pm, Thursday am, Thursday pm, Friday pm, then two weeks break before the last two | 02:43 |
| wgrant | Weekend exams? Cruel. | 02:44 |
| thumper | yeah | 02:45 |
| spm | try having your 21st birthday in the middle of exam week. :-( | 02:51 |
| thumper | spm: I got married the day before I turned 21 :) | 02:53 |
| spm | thumper: so what I'm hearing, unhappy for pretty much the same reason??? :-P | 02:53 |
| thumper | no comment | 02:53 |
| spm | heh | 02:53 |
| thumper | there is something wrong if the builds are taking 7 hours :( | 02:57 |
| EdwinGrubbs | lifeless: sinzui mentioned that you did some research into the whole distro milestone +index timeout when there are lots of bugs. It seems that it is just spending a ton of time creating all the storm objects. Do you have any other insight? | 03:46 |
| * thumper marvels at the amount of yak hair in blueprints | 03:51 | |
| * thumper has the clippers out | 03:51 | |
| lifeless | EdwinGrubbs: I setup eager loading | 03:54 |
| lifeless | EdwinGrubbs: for both bugs and milestones | 03:54 |
| lifeless | EdwinGrubbs: but I have only turned it on in one code path (to ensure I could actually deliver) | 03:55 |
| lifeless | EdwinGrubbs: which pageid / bug are you looking at. | 03:55 |
| EdwinGrubbs | lifeless: https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1765ED1258 | 03:55 |
| EdwinGrubbs | bug 638924 | 03:55 |
| _mup_ | Bug #638924: Milestone:+index timeouts with many bugs <pg83> <timeout> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by edwin-grubbs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/638924> | 03:55 |
| wgrant | thumper: Was Blueprint touched significantly after its initial drop? | 03:59 |
| thumper | wgrant: not much no | 03:59 |
| thumper | wgrant: I now have a pipeline: ~/src/launchpad/blueprint-yak-shaving | 04:00 |
| thumper | if anything was a test for not needing a review, this is | 04:00 |
| wgrant | Heh. | 04:05 |
| StevenK | thumper: So, I've done something surprising. | 04:06 |
| StevenK | thumper: Robert Ancell was talking to me about specs not being exported over the API, so I made them be, in anger, on two plane flights. | 04:06 |
| thumper | StevenK: you've moved to NZ? | 04:06 |
| lifeless | thumper: its certainly a consideration | 04:07 |
| lifeless | StevenK: have you moved the security checks? | 04:07 |
| StevenK | lifeless: There's security checks? | 04:07 |
| lifeless | StevenK: james_w has a branch that exports specs over the API; its blocked on that change. | 04:07 |
| StevenK | Rargh, didn't know that | 04:07 |
| thumper | StevenK: yeah, too many checks done in the browser code | 04:07 |
| StevenK | Speaking of, I should charge my laptop | 04:07 |
| thumper | I've started shaving blueprints... | 04:07 |
| thumper | but it will take some time to see the shape of things | 04:08 |
| thumper | under all that hair :) | 04:08 |
| thumper | StevenK: but just think of the fun you had :) | 04:08 |
| StevenK | Hah | 04:08 |
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| StevenK | It wasn't that bad, I'm just curious why I could only get close, but not all the way | 04:08 |
| lifeless | StevenK: old LP code did security checks at the browser layer | 04:09 |
| lifeless | StevenK: blueprints is old LP code | 04:09 |
| StevenK | (I can grab a specifications object from lplib, and iterate over it, but it returns nothing) | 04:09 |
| thumper | heh | 04:10 |
| thumper | StevenK: it has an entry, but nothing exported | 04:10 |
| thumper | StevenK: mildly shit | 04:10 |
| StevenK | thumper, lifeless: To be perfectly honest, I did it for shits and giggles, while I was bored, so I'm happy enough to toss the work away. | 04:11 |
| lifeless | StevenK: no worries | 04:11 |
| lifeless | StevenK: I would love to see it happen | 04:11 |
| StevenK | thumper: Oh, I fixed that. I can post a diff if you have tissues to stem the bleeding | 04:11 |
| thumper | StevenK: I've more a problem with who sets what | 04:12 |
| thumper | :) | 04:12 |
| StevenK | I was also curious why I couldn't export Choice() elements where the vocab is in quotes, but can if it's a real object. | 04:12 |
| StevenK | Right, now I get what james_w is blocked on. | 04:13 |
| lifeless | Edwin-zzz: ah, yes | 04:13 |
| lifeless | Edwin-zzz: so thats high python time | 04:13 |
| thumper | StevenK: it'll have to do with the method trying to work out what is valid | 04:13 |
| StevenK | lifeless: When did you get home, by the way? | 04:13 |
| lifeless | Edwin-zzz: I'd get a profile trace of that on [qa]staging. Will mail you. | 04:13 |
| StevenK | thumper: Hm, I hadn't considered that, but it would make sense | 04:15 |
| StevenK | Starting to seriously consider a nanna-nap, and it's only 3:16pm | 04:16 |
| lifeless | StevenK: 10:20am arrival | 04:25 |
| StevenK | lifeless: At home, or the airport? | 04:25 |
| lifeless | jtv: so, we're experimenting in testtools and a few other projects with | 04:25 |
| lifeless | StevenK: airport, home @11 | 04:25 |
| StevenK | lifeless: Landed at 0825, home at 1140 | 04:26 |
| wgrant | StevenK: The empty collection is probably because of the lack of a launchpad.View adapter for ISpecification. | 04:26 |
| lifeless | jtv: wishlist = fallback, medium = 'something we thought worked doesn't', critical = 'blocks project doing a release' | 04:26 |
| jtv | lifeless: the awkward marriage between the "problem reporting" and "task tracking" faces of bug trackers has bothered me for a long time, so I'm all on board… if you've been thinking about this, I'd be happy to introduce you to kirit for constructive discussion. | 04:26 |
| lifeless | jtv: I had a great discussion with persia - theres a commons problem too. | 04:26 |
| lifeless | bugs are global scope; work prioritisation is local (FSVO local) scope | 04:27 |
| StevenK | wgrant: Ahh. However, I'm now not going to talk about it, since james_w has already done work on it. | 04:27 |
| stub | spm: Do you know much about Puppet, and is it something we should be looking at for Launchpad configuration, scheduling or anything? | 04:27 |
| lifeless | stub: I know a bit :) - no, no and no. | 04:27 |
| lifeless | stub: the sysadmins will be using it to manage a growing set of services; for what we're doing/developing we should effectively ignore it, for now. | 04:28 |
| stub | wondering if it was useful for readonly switch, or LPCONFIG type stuff. | 04:28 |
| lifeless | it may be able to replace the deployment scripts eventually. | 04:29 |
| lifeless | dunno about the readonly angle; offhand anyway. | 04:29 |
| lifeless | perhaps setting a feature flag would be best for readonly. | 04:29 |
| lifeless | it would propogate to the slave, be found there and be locked on until someone pokes more directly. [/wildarse thought from jetlagged person] | 04:30 |
| stub | 'cept feature flags are in the database, and changing to read-only mode switches to a database that was broken out of replication before the switch was set ;) | 04:30 |
| lifeless | stub: is that ordering changable ? | 04:30 |
| stub | No - breaking the slave out of replication involves removing the replication triggers on every table and subsequent locking. | 04:31 |
| jtv | And I guess it complicates the case where you go to read-only because you lose the master. | 04:31 |
| stub | Anyway - we can't really ask the database if we are in read-only mode, because we need to know if we are in read-only mode to decide what database to talk to. | 04:32 |
| lifeless | gotcha | 04:34 |
| lifeless | the ini file you added is probably simplest for now | 04:34 |
| StevenK | wgrant: And ohloh is still counting lines of source code, after 1 restart and, what, 3 weeks? | 04:34 |
| spm | stub: not vast amounts no; but will be in Syd next week doing a course on same. | 04:35 |
| wgrant | StevenK: At least it's on step 3 now! | 04:35 |
| StevenK | But it has been for a week | 04:35 |
| stub | I think we should stop using Zope's email delivery, instead storing emails in the database and having a cronscript or daemon that does the delivery. Pretty trivial, easier to improve later with things like delivery failure, and sidesteps the SMTP ZCML gumph. | 04:35 |
| wgrant | StevenK: I think it's even slower than Launchpad git imports used to be. | 04:35 |
| lifeless | stub: I'd like to know whats up before we reimplement exim/postfix - if you see what I mean. | 04:36 |
| StevenK | stub: If you suggest writing EmailJob, I Will Find You | 04:36 |
| stub | Nothing so complex :) | 04:37 |
| stub | lifeless: At the moment appservers spool emails to the SMTP server during request. If we fix queued delivery, the appservers spool emails to the SMTP server in a separate thread. But why have the appservers do it at all? | 04:38 |
| lifeless | stub: the expansion from intent->mails I'm delighted to move out of webapp request handling | 04:39 |
| lifeless | stub: I don't really care if thats a Job or a thread. | 04:39 |
| jtv | spm: just realized the humorous chance I missed Sydney… to go around telling everyone how great their city and country are and, if this is just a local capital, how incredible Canberra must be then. | 04:40 |
| lifeless | stub: mail sending is sometimes massively slower than expected, and we should fix that. | 04:40 |
| lifeless | stub: at the moment the appservers spool *after* the commit *before the request ends* | 04:40 |
| lifeless | which is a little odd :) | 04:40 |
| stub | lifeless: Yes. In request delivery is slow, queued delivery is broken. We can fix queued delivery upstream, or move to a different model which I think is better in the long run. | 04:40 |
| stub | I'm suggesting still allowing the appservers to assemble the actual emails, but stuff them into the database rather than do the delivery themselves. | 04:41 |
| stub | Probably the same amount of work as fixing queued delivery. | 04:42 |
| lifeless | stub: perf wise I'd expect it to be slower | 04:45 |
| lifeless | stub: local mail spools /should/ be millisecond fast to accept things | 04:45 |
| lifeless | anyhow | 04:46 |
| lifeless | halt() | 04:46 |
| wgrant | Anything sending more than a couple of emails from a request is probably a bug. | 04:46 |
| stub | pickle vs. store.execute() | 04:46 |
| StevenK | wgrant: Such as, say, updates to bugs? | 04:47 |
| wgrant | StevenK: They don't. | 04:47 |
| wgrant | StevenK: They use an external process. | 04:47 |
| wgrant | StevenK: But still manage to be mortifyingly slow. | 04:47 |
| StevenK | Pity, I was hoping to be ironic | 04:47 |
| stub | wgrant: Agreed. But we can't control how long the SMTP server we are talking to will take before the email is handed off, unless we get a dedicated one we can turn off stuff like DNS checks etc. | 04:48 |
| wgrant | stub: True. | 04:48 |
| lifeless | stub: we have a dedicated SMTP server | 04:49 |
| lifeless | stub: *per appserver* | 04:49 |
| stub | We talking to localhost now? Ok. | 04:49 |
| lifeless | yeah | 04:59 |
| stub | thumper: Just reading meeting notes. Thanks for reducing the mailman query counts! Its a big burden on the db. | 05:09 |
| spm | jtv: heh | 05:11 |
| spm | jtv: it's .... different. big country town with the amenities (to some degree) of a city. | 05:12 |
| jtv | You're saying it's a bureaucratic amusement park at the end of a fat fibre-optic cable? | 05:12 |
| spm | close | 05:13 |
| spm | "You're saying it's a bureaucratic amusement park at the end" | 05:13 |
| jtv | It just became a whole lot less impressive. | 05:21 |
| wgrant | It's Canberra. It is far less impressive than even your least impressive impression. | 05:22 |
| spm | some of the more ... rigid bureaucratic side has changed, but it's still very much a town that revolves around federal govt. and that has implications right thru the entire place. unf, usually in painful ways. | 05:27 |
| spm | flip side. I'm a 20min drive from the city centre; yet from our back deck can see paddocks with sheep/horses across the valley. We get Kangaroos < 50metres from our front door (I have pics!). That's pretty special. | 05:28 |
| mwhudson | haven't we fixed this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58406579/vcs-imports-wordpress-trunk.log at least twice already? | 05:37 |
| mwhudson | spm: ^^ | 05:38 |
| spm | ugh | 05:38 |
| spm | actually - I wonder - I came across this doing some simple bzr ops last week - don't recall which server offhand. | 05:38 |
| spm | mwhudson: which importd what that? | 05:39 |
| spm | was* that | 05:39 |
| mwhudson | spm: i'm a twenty minute _walk_ from wellington cbd and not much further from rural bliss than you :-p | 05:39 |
| spm | :-) | 05:39 |
| mwhudson | spm: well, https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/wordpress/trunk | 05:39 |
| mwhudson | spm: ahh, seems there's more than one kind of failure :( | 05:40 |
| mwhudson | spm: seems it's galapagos that's doing the nowhoami thing | 05:40 |
| spm | ta | 05:41 |
| lifeless | spm: I'm 20m from another entire city ;) | 05:48 |
| thumper | stub: np, I might tackle the methods one by one, but I want the xmlrpc server less loaded | 06:31 |
| mwhudson | https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+karma -> "Michael Hudson-Doyle's karma has expired. "Total karma: 20838" | 07:43 |
| mwhudson | um? | 07:43 |
| henninge | Does anybody have an idea how we can get out of testfix again? | 07:43 |
| henninge | mwhudson: could that mean "Some of you karma has expired?" | 07:44 |
| mwhudson | mayhap | 07:44 |
| wgrant | It can also mean that the karma cache is being updated. | 07:45 |
| wgrant | Sometimes a couple of the karma totals will vanish for a few minutes while that happens. | 07:45 |
| wgrant | Or, in this case, all of them. | 07:45 |
| mwhudson | could be | 07:46 |
| wgrant | Everyone is similarly afflicted. | 07:46 |
| wgrant | Which is rather suspicious indeed. | 07:46 |
| jelmer | It looks like more windmill test failures. | 07:55 |
| * jelmer waves to mwhudson, wgrant | 07:56 | |
| wgrant | Morning jelmer. | 07:56 |
| mrevell | Hello | 09:12 |
| henninge | Hi mrevell! | 09:37 |
| mrevell | hello henninge | 09:38 |
| henninge | mrevell: I just thought that you might not yet be aware of the fact that we moved the 10.11 release back by a week. | 09:38 |
| wgrant | The guy in #launchpad looks like he could do with some commercial subscription help. | 09:39 |
| henninge | mrevell: sorry for having kept you out of the loop here. | 09:39 |
| mrevell | henninge, Thanks for letting me know now. So we're going for the 17th? | 09:40 |
| henninge | wgrant: thanks, will talk to him. | 09:40 |
| mrevell | wgrant, thanks | 09:40 |
| mrevell | heh | 09:40 |
| henninge | mrevell: yes, I just emailed the list. | 09:40 |
| mrevell | Ah, I see your mail henninge | 09:40 |
| henninge | mrevell: you go and talk ;) | 09:40 |
| wgrant | What's this December "Bug Jam" thing? Does the following cycle not start until January? | 09:41 |
| mrevell | henninge, I saw a discussion where I think the release was going to 00.00 UTC. Is that still the case? | 09:42 |
| henninge | mrevell: no, I am proposing 10:00 UTC | 09:43 |
| mrevell | wgrant, The idea was that rather than having a mini-cycle in December, we'd spend a couple of weeks doing nothing other than close bugs (not necessarily fix...) | 09:43 |
| wgrant | Heh. | 09:43 |
| wgrant | OK. | 09:43 |
| henninge | mrevell: I had proposed 22 UTC for the 10th because I already knew that Tom would not be around. | 09:44 |
| mrevell | wgrant, So, we could just have one week of bug jam and a full-sized December cycle | 09:44 |
| mrevell | henninge, Ah, I see. | 09:44 |
| henninge | mrevell: but with more LOSAs not there, we scratched the 10th completely and since Tom is there on the 17th, we can do it at 10:00 | 09:44 |
| mrevell | henninge, Are we pretty confident of the date and time? I mean, can I announce it? | 09:44 |
| henninge | mrevell: it's not finalized yet, no | 09:44 |
| henninge | oop, public channel ... | 09:44 |
| henninge | ;-) | 09:45 |
| henninge | but I don't expect any more problems. | 09:45 |
| mrevell | heh, that's not a problem :) | 09:45 |
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| wgrant | jelmer: Hi. | 10:51 |
| mrevell | Hey, I'm running make on a new branch on a clean Maverick install ... I'm getting a permission error when I run make (clean, schema and run so far) | 10:51 |
| mrevell | Any ideas? | 10:51 |
| jelmer | wgrant: Hi | 10:51 |
| StevenK | mrevell: Can you pastebin the trace? | 10:52 |
| wgrant | jelmer: I've addressed your comment on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/destroy-distroseries-lucilleconfig/+merge/38648. Anything else? | 10:52 |
| jelmer | wgrant: Yes, I need to land your branch. :-) I'll send it off to ec2 today. | 10:53 |
| mrevell | StevenK, Thanks, Here it is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/523776/ .... that's just the last few lines ... do you need the full thing? | 10:54 |
| wgrant | jelmer: Thanks! | 10:54 |
| wgrant | mrevell: I normally fix that with "sudo rm -r /var/tmp/bazaar.launchpad.dev". | 10:55 |
| wgrant | I think Apache creates it or something. | 10:55 |
| mrevell | Oh, simple as that eh? Thanks wgrant, I'll give that a go. | 10:56 |
| mrevell | whoop, that worked for make clean ... thanks wgrant and StevenK | 10:57 |
| deryck | Morning, all. | 11:15 |
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| * lifeless yawns | 14:57 | |
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| lifeless | hi jml | 15:25 |
| jml | lifeless: hi | 15:25 |
| lifeless | flacoste: jml: since we're all awake, perhaps we should continue our long running voice discussion | 15:27 |
| jml | lifeless: on another call right now. | 15:31 |
| lifeless | kk | 15:37 |
| deryck | gmb or allenap, could one of you spare time for an easy review? | 15:56 |
| allenap | deryck: Sure. | 15:56 |
| deryck | allenap, thanks! https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/allow-reporter-fixed-released-unsetting-664096/+merge/39754 | 15:56 |
| jml | lifeless: maybe we could have a call later today | 16:03 |
| lifeless | sure | 16:03 |
| jml | sinzui: hello | 16:06 |
| sinzui | hi jml | 16:07 |
| jml | sinzui: when do you think we're supposed to have our call | 16:08 |
| sinzui | next week -1 hour? | 16:08 |
| jml | sinzui: I'm happy with that. Britain changed timezones during my flight home today | 16:09 |
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| sinzui | okay | 16:09 |
| jml | sinzui: so I'm not sure when anything is | 16:09 |
| sinzui | jml: you are my only meeting on Mondays. You can fit me in at your convenience | 16:10 |
| jml | sinzui: cool. | 16:10 |
| jml | sinzui: did you want to chat today? | 16:10 |
| sinzui | sure | 16:10 |
| sinzui | now? | 16:10 |
| jml | yeah. | 16:10 |
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| lifeless | Ursula: hi | 16:22 |
| lifeless | https://devpad.canonical.com/~lpqateam/qa_reports/deployment-stable.html is empty? | 16:22 |
| lifeless | Ursula: bah, browser fail. ignore that question. | 16:22 |
| lifeless | Ursula: however | 16:24 |
| lifeless | Ursula: please do look - Revision 11801 is bad: possible blocker. is reported 4 or 5 times :) | 16:24 |
| jcsackett | gary_poster: hey, an LP user has asked me for any info on this issue in #launchpad https://answers.launchpad.net/moin-openid/+question/110123; you were looking at it at one point, any notions about it or who i might point the user to for more info? | 16:26 |
| lifeless | Bug 664060 needs QA | 16:29 |
| _mup_ | Bug #664060: bug supervisor should be able to configure bugtracker for projects <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad Bugs:Fix Committed by brian-murray> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/664060> | 16:29 |
| jml | lifeless: so, now that edge is almost gone, are you going to tackle the other subdomains next? | 16:42 |
| lifeless | jml: thats a more complex question, and would benefit from specific discussion about it. | 16:43 |
| lifeless | jml: the complexities for it are: | 16:44 |
| lifeless | - are they part of the UI/ease of use story? | 16:44 |
| lifeless | - impact on performance (more domains == more SSL handshakes, but also potentially more parallelism [though we don't do this :P so its a bit of a no-brainer today] | 16:44 |
| lifeless | - impact on vostok | 16:45 |
| lifeless | jml: I have no immediate plans to do anything to/for/or about the bugs etc domains | 16:45 |
| lifeless | jml: but perhaps you meant some other set of subdomains | 16:45 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/627608 needs qa | 16:56 |
| _mup_ | Bug #627608: Got a 401 on a fresh purchase <qa-needstesting> <Software Center Agent:Fix Released> <Soyuz:Fix Committed by michael.nelson> <software-center (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/627608> | 16:56 |
| lifeless | jml: We did ~ 2200 commits to trunk in the last year. | 16:58 |
| lifeless | jml: our velocity in terms of commits-per-month for the last two months is about the same as for the last 12. | 16:59 |
| lifeless | jml: 20 hours per commit | 16:59 |
| lifeless | per dev | 16:59 |
| lifeless | (given a nominal 2000 hours/year work period) | 17:01 |
| jml | lifeless: interesting | 17:16 |
| jml | lifeless: because anecdotally I'd say committing to trunk is getting harder. | 17:16 |
| lifeless | jml: there sure is a lot of friction we need to fix. | 17:16 |
| jml | lifeless: fwiw, I meant the bugs etc subdomains. | 17:18 |
| jml | lifeless: but I do realize it's a big question. | 17:18 |
| lifeless | 11824-7230 = 4594 over the last two years | 17:18 |
| lifeless | jml: I think the team size has grown a bit over two years? | 17:19 |
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| jml | lifeless: I'm not convinced it has. Anyway, it's easy enough to see how the number of distinct committers has changed | 17:25 |
| lifeless | jml: indeed, I'm doing very crude stats just now - log | less :) | 17:25 |
| jml | lifeless: well, easy-ish. bzr has a way to go before querying logs is as easy as SQL | 17:25 |
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| jml | lifeless: reckon it's worthwhile to file bugs on the remaining parallel testing work? | 17:41 |
| * jml gone, back later | 17:52 | |
| lifeless | jml: not really; there is a parallel test job; looking at that will show whats broke | 18:03 |
| lifeless | statik: shall we skip our call today? we caught up late last week .. | 18:15 |
| statik | lifeless: that sounds good to me | 18:16 |
| SpamapS | are there known bugs in reading archives of private mailing lists that a lp user is subscribed to? | 18:27 |
| SpamapS | I'm unable to pass the openid "Continue" button. | 18:27 |
| lifeless | ugh | 18:29 |
| lifeless | http://python.mirocommunity.org/video/1186/djangocon-2009-django-is-obsol is quite interesting | 18:30 |
| SpamapS | Is this a follow up to iamcal's "Why I Hate Django" ? ;) | 18:31 |
| lifeless | no | 18:31 |
| lifeless | its about evolution | 18:31 |
| SpamapS | in a way, so was cal's talk | 18:32 |
| lifeless | well, it might be then :P | 18:32 |
| SpamapS | but, I'll refrain from commenting further until I've watched the presentation | 18:32 |
| mars | lifeless, would be nice if there was a transcript there - it would be nice to just skim the facts of the argument | 18:37 |
| SpamapS | hah.. onions spoil all kinds of apps | 18:38 |
| SpamapS | Some might say "minimize window" is an onion. | 18:38 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: you'll like the 'templates will finally die' line | 18:45 |
| SpamapS | I stopped at about 15 minutes.. I get his point.. rethink.. multi-threaded.. etc. ;) | 18:47 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: he switches themes | 18:47 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: even livejournal figured out that you can do the various bits of the template asynchronously server-side using gearman. | 18:47 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: oh very well.. starting back up.. ;) | 18:48 |
| lifeless | lol | 18:48 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: only if you're interested | 18:48 |
| SpamapS | I'm very interested | 18:48 |
| SpamapS | One thing I am starting to think about.. is why hadoop is the only one anybody mentions | 18:48 |
| SpamapS | map/reduce isn't that hard! | 18:49 |
| lifeless | he mentioned cassandra dinomite etc | 18:49 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I mean the map/reduce frameworks. | 18:49 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: so the last time I heard this argument, it was for xslt | 18:55 |
| SpamapS | CSS is obviously a much simpler way to do presentation than xslt.. | 18:56 |
| lifeless | yeah | 18:56 |
| lifeless | flacoste: ping | 19:13 |
| lifeless | awol for a bit | 19:41 |
| cr3 | leonardr: hi there, is there a way to define a method in lazr that returns void? I have a write_operation method which seems to cause a subsequent GET on the server because launchpadlib seems to do self.resource.lp_refresh() if the return code is 200 and the method is post | 20:05 |
| cr3 | leonardr: I tried to redefine the method in question as a factory operation but then it expects the method to return the object created rather than void, which results in a ComponentLookupError for None | 20:06 |
| leonardr | cr3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpadlib/+bug/249950 | 20:06 |
| _mup_ | Bug #249950: Stop refreshing after every POST named operation <launchpadlib :Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/249950> | 20:06 |
| leonardr | no :| | 20:07 |
| cr3 | leonardr: thanks for the reference, good to know | 20:07 |
| leonardr | cr3, hopefully it's just an annoyance? | 20:08 |
| cr3 | leonardr: a performance annoyance where each call results in two calls | 20:09 |
| cr3 | leonardr: a crappy workaround might be to convert the method from a write_operation to a read_operation, but I'm not sure how much data I could encode in the url | 20:10 |
| leonardr | cr3: if it helps, i'm about to start on a big web service project and i could fix this problem as a side effect | 20:11 |
| cr3 | leonardr: in the meanwhile, how acceptable would it be for me to define my own decorator called export_void_operation which would derive export_write_operation and setStatus(201) in the overridden call method? | 20:13 |
| leonardr | cr3: that's not good. you don't want to send 201 at all--you'd be lying | 20:14 |
| leonardr | how bad a performance problem is this? | 20:14 |
| leonardr | if it's absolutely awful i can spend some time pretty soon figuring out the best way to fix it | 20:14 |
| * mars \o/ devel is Green once again! | 20:15 | |
| cr3 | leonardr: it's not that awful, it's just that I know myself well enough that I'll probably forget to fix this later. I can take a note and wait, no worries | 20:16 |
| leonardr | cr3: what we want is something like export_void_operation + sending a Cache-Control header or something that says 'you just made the object dirty, you need to refresh' | 20:17 |
| cr3 | leonardr: if I want to return an object which contains a reference to another object in the same call, can that be done? | 20:31 |
| leonardr | cr3: you mean send both objects at one? | 20:31 |
| leonardr | that's not possible | 20:31 |
| leonardr | unless you can return a list of objects--that might work, but i doubt it | 20:32 |
| cr3 | leonardr: yeah, both at once to spare the subsequent get on the referenced object | 20:32 |
| leonardr | cr3: there's a general feature planned that will let a client tell the server it wants certain objects expanded, but it's not planned for a long time--i need to rationalize the web service design first | 20:33 |
| cr3 | leonardr: maybe it's a lesson for me to create even coarser grained objects | 20:34 |
| leonardr | cr3: could be, if this is a really bad problem. would it help if this data was cached on the client side, or is even getting it once a big performance problem? | 20:35 |
| lifeless | leonardr: whats the big web service project? | 20:36 |
| leonardr | lifeless: refactoring the named operations into a few 'families' (search/filter operations and so on) so that each resource type in the web service doesn't have 5-20 miscellaneous and unstandardized operations dangling from it | 20:39 |
| leonardr | make it easier to learn and use | 20:39 |
| leonardr | i'm working with jml on it, but the desktop thing has intruded for several months | 20:39 |
| jcsackett | lifeless: per the db-patch rules, i believe i need a review from you on this: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/migrate-official-bool-data-627631/+merge/39583 | 20:43 |
| lifeless | jcsackett: you need one from stub to assign the patch id, to land it | 20:44 |
| jcsackett | lifeless: i know, but the docs say i need one from the architect as well. that would be you. :-) | 20:44 |
| lifeless | yes | 20:44 |
| lifeless | but not to land | 20:44 |
| lifeless | the docs also say that :) | 20:45 |
| jcsackett | dig. i was just pointing out the mp to you. my understanding is that stub is out, so i'll have to chase him down later. | 20:45 |
| jcsackett | there's already a request for him on the MP as well. | 20:45 |
| lifeless | there is a 'request a review' buttton on the mp - my preference is for you to use that for me too :). Thanks for letting me know. | 20:46 |
| jcsackett | lifeless: i used that for you too, but it was while you were at uds, so this was sort of pushing it back into awareness. :-) | 20:46 |
| wallyworld_ | rockstar: abentley: thumper: standup? | 21:06 |
| EdwinGrubbs | matsubara-afk, Ursula: ping | 21:16 |
| wgrant | jelmer: Did you get around to EC2ing that branch? | 21:53 |
| lifeless | sinzui: hey | 22:11 |
| thumper | lifeless: so what is the process then for landing something without a review? | 22:31 |
| thumper | lifeless: I have my very boring enum change for blueprints | 22:32 |
| lifeless | https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/OptionalReviews | 22:33 |
| lifeless | Activities | 22:33 |
| lifeless | Submit the branch to create an MP (our toolchains can look at this and it provides a location for a post landing review if the branch has that done to it). Self review with review type 'unreviewed'. Land via the normal landing process. | 22:33 |
| lifeless | we may find this needs tuning | 22:34 |
| lifeless | e.g. review type none/code | 22:34 |
| lifeless | jml: have you crashed? | 22:36 |
| wallyworld_ | thumper: one of my branches got merged into db-devel rather than devel. i need to do stuff that depends on it. do i have any option other than to work on a db-devel branch? | 22:41 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: land it again. | 22:41 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: to the right place. | 22:41 |
| thumper | wallyworld_: did you branch from db-devel? | 22:41 |
| wallyworld_ | ok | 22:41 |
| lifeless | wallyworld_: just be sure that you don't suck all of db-devel in. | 22:41 |
| wallyworld_ | no i branched originally from devel | 22:42 |
| thumper | wallyworld_: or more importantly, did you branch or merge from db-devel since the last rollout? | 22:42 |
| thumper | wallyworld_: in which case, land it on devel as well | 22:42 |
| lifeless | thumper: 'release' - not rollout ;) | 22:42 |
| thumper | wallyworld_: bzr's merge detection will handle it | 22:42 |
| wallyworld_ | with that branch i have only merged into it from devel | 22:42 |
| wallyworld_ | not sure why it landed in db-devel | 22:43 |
| lifeless | the default is bong. | 22:43 |
| lifeless | mailing | 22:43 |
| thumper | lifeless: the default is due to branch stacking | 22:43 |
| thumper | lifeless: and that is all | 22:43 |
| wallyworld_ | thumper: i think we are still in textfix mode so i'll have to wait to land it again | 22:44 |
| lifeless | thumper: its the series, we can change it right ? | 22:44 |
| thumper | lifeless: if we had an easy way to say push and stack on db-devel when needed (that is tested and simple to use) then we could switch relatively easily | 22:45 |
| lifeless | thumper: I realise we need to do a repo fetch | 22:45 |
| lifeless | thumper: we can switch trivially | 22:45 |
| thumper | lifeless: devel isn't stacked | 22:45 |
| lifeless | thumper: right, but branches stacked on db-devel may need db-devel only revisions. | 22:45 |
| thumper | lifeless: right | 22:45 |
| lifeless | so its devel.fetch(db_devel), then change the default series. | 22:45 |
| lifeless | 4 lines of python + a losa | 22:46 |
| thumper | we don't need any code changes | 22:46 |
| lifeless | right | 22:46 |
| lifeless | just the fetch | 22:46 |
| thumper | no | 22:49 |
| thumper | not even the fetch | 22:49 |
| thumper | branches are stacked on aboslute paths | 22:49 |
| thumper | not shortcuts | 22:49 |
| thumper | it is more the overhead of new db-devel branches | 22:49 |
| thumper | but if we don't care... | 22:49 |
| * thumper shrugs | 22:49 | |
| lifeless | thumper: devel branches are the common case | 22:49 |
| lifeless | thumper: they pay massively today ;) | 22:50 |
| lifeless | thumper: please do it | 22:50 |
| lifeless | thumper: and let launchpad-dev know | 22:50 |
| * thumper nods | 22:50 | |
| lifeless | (unless you think its wrong to change it) | 22:50 |
| wgrant | Nothing depends on the lp:launchpad alias? | 22:53 |
| lifeless | flacoste: ppr needs 'max', I think :) | 23:11 |
| lifeless | losa ping | 23:18 |
| spm | yo | 23:18 |
| lifeless | https://pastebin.canonical.com/39248/ | 23:18 |
| lifeless | can you add that into | 23:18 |
| lifeless | https://edge.launchpad.net/+feature-rules | 23:18 |
| spm | sure. what does it all do? timeouts against specific pages? | 23:20 |
| lifeless | yes | 23:20 |
| lifeless | as per https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/FeatureFlags | 23:20 |
| spm | just never seen that style before | 23:20 |
| lifeless | if you look at the lpnet timeout report | 23:20 |
| lifeless | these are the current hard timeouts | 23:20 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Exempting all the main timeouts and slashing the limit again? | 23:20 |
| lifeless | I looked at the PPR to get a feel for how things are going | 23:21 |
| lifeless | wgrant: raising slightly for stuff hurt by 8.4 | 23:21 |
| spm | haha | 23:21 |
| wgrant | Bah. | 23:21 |
| spm | lifeless: OOPS-1766ED2295 | 23:21 |
| lifeless | wgrant: will lower the timeout again once we've caught up with that | 23:21 |
| lifeless | spm: rotlf | 23:21 |
| lifeless | spm: that was near-instant, right ? | 23:22 |
| spm | yah, purty much | 23:22 |
| lifeless | spm: what was the traceback ? | 23:22 |
| spm | Retry: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "feature_flag_unique_priority_per_flag"<br /> <br /> | 23:22 |
| lifeless | ah | 23:22 |
| lifeless | I had 4 duplicated | 23:22 |
| spm | yes. given the timeouts... | 23:22 |
| lifeless | change the second ' 4 ' to ' 5 ' and so own down the page. | 23:22 |
| lifeless | s/own/on/ | 23:22 |
| spm | hrm/ I think that's applied. it doesnt' exactly let you know that it has done anything. | 23:24 |
| lifeless | please do file bugs on this interface | 23:24 |
| spm | yeah, has. | 23:24 |
| lifeless | its your primary knob for controlling LP in real time. | 23:24 |
| wgrant | Hm,. | 23:24 |
| wgrant | Do we really need such a massive freeze now that most stuff should be QA'd immediately? | 23:24 |
| lifeless | its bare bones now, but it doesn't have to stay this way. | 23:24 |
| wgrant | A week to QA db-devel changes seems excessive. | 23:24 |
| lifeless | wgrant: the thing I proposed has a much smaller critical section | 23:24 |
| lifeless | wgrant: we're still a week behind in QA right now. | 23:25 |
| lifeless | wgrant: until we've caught up, we haven't caught up. | 23:25 |
| wgrant | True. | 23:25 |
| lifeless | spm: thanks, in 60 minutes we should see a drop to near-zero hard timeouts on lpstats | 23:26 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Don't worry, Soyuz will fix that :) | 23:27 |
| wgrant | sinzui: Why does DistributionMirror live in Registry? | 23:34 |
| lifeless | aren't you meant to be stufying ? | 23:37 |
| wgrant | Silence. | 23:37 |
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