[00:27] stumbled on this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27390993/kdesudokvpm.png [00:27] oxygen sure has come a long way as a widget theme [00:38] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192088 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (cache.cpp worker/worker.cpp) (log message trimmed) [00:38] Revert the pkgCacheFile port in QApt::Cache for a bit. It introduced a [00:38] regression where canceling a worker action and then doing another would result [01:42] !find lvm2app.h [01:42] Package/file lvm2app.h does not exist in maverick [01:43] !find lvm2app.h natty [01:43] natty is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, partner, stable, testing, unstable [01:43] :/ [02:24] jmthomas * 1192104 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog Add a changelog for branch [02:36] jmthomas * 1192107 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Bump version for 1.0.4 release [02:36] JontheEchidna: plungy [02:40] rgreening: hi. do you recall discussing the removal of qtjambi last UDS? [02:40] iirc we decided it should go, because it FTBFS and is dead upstream [02:41] yes. I believe this was the case [02:41] dead == drop [02:42] good. I'll see about actually getting it done this cycle :P [02:42] cool [02:42] before I forget again [02:42] I've been afk most this cycle. $work and $life [02:42] oh, yeah. not blaming you at all. [02:42] but here's to getting back into swing for nattyt [02:42] I know :) [03:42] can i get kde apps source from subversion? === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:28] Hmmm... Will the konq-plugins get a rebuild soon? They depend on libkonq5 which conflicts with libkonq5a which everything else seems to be using. [08:30] Potentially, but few folk concentrate on NBS much prior to preparing for Alpha 1, as the vast majority of packages are likely to get an upload later, making the rebuild superfluous. [08:44] morning, what did I miss? [09:34] looks like kdeutils all still depend on libkonq5:-( [11:31] * apachelogger slept through the morning since his cell was still using eastern time -.- [11:52] apachelogger: jet lag is worse traveling East [11:58] <\sh> apachelogger: tststs.... [12:01] Mamarok: well, I am not really lagging as of yet [12:02] it is just that my alarm clock went off later than it should ^^ [12:03] <\sh> the halloween party on sunday cost me 600 bucks now....:( [12:04] ah [12:04] \sh: oops, what did you break? [12:05] * apachelogger founds his prepared uds notes again ... left them at home along with maths stuff [12:05] <\sh> Mamarok: I didn't break anything...my son did...daddy and mommy had a light hangover, and son was "repairing" daddies glasses... [12:05] oh, and I have a maths test in 1 hour oh dear [12:05] \sh: oh dear [12:08] <\sh> apachelogger: yes..and visiting the optician this morning wasn't a good start....new glasses means 600 bucks but hey...my son was clever, he "repaired" my glasses, and put them back where I left them ... but the innocent look of son was priceless [12:08] ^^ [12:09] \sh: I suppose that already unveales a job opportunity :) [12:11] <\sh> apachelogger: hahahaha...you don't know what this little guy is up to...I was buying a PS3 2 weeks ago..with guitar hero + drumkit and everything..now this little fellow sits on the drums and always says "bangbang" when he hits the the drums ;) so...I wonder, musician or optician...one of the two [12:13] latter is surely less stressful, also you get to make money off people who were drunk on helloween and got their glasses repaired :P [12:13] OTOH making music is probably more fun [12:25] lol, reading my memolane is just horrible [12:25] apachelogger: what happened to our photos? [12:25] usually goes like "drinking $randomalcoholicdrink ... a bit later ... have headache ... a bit later ... slept half a day" [12:25] jussi: which ones? [12:26] MICKEY!! [12:26] oh [12:26] somewhere on kollide [12:26] jussi: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/21766940000.jpg [12:26] awesome! [12:27] haha [12:27] openstack got a good deal out of that... [12:27] quite frankly the one with pluto is better [12:28] where is that? [12:28] or is it the one I took? [12:29] the one you took [12:30] I believe [12:30] there is one version floating around on my facebook profile [12:30] of the ones I saw it was the best [12:30] apachelogger, jussi: everyone get home alive? [12:30] Riddell: well.. Im alive... obviously :D [12:30] *G* [12:31] Riddell: AFAIK, are you home as well? [12:32] back on my very own sofa [12:33] what? Riddell has a sofa? :D [12:34] apachelogger: I think Rohan's head lookskinda skewed in that photo... dont you think? [12:37] jussi: which one? [12:37] the one on kollide... [12:39] jussi: yes, it is a crapy pick altogether [12:39] colors and whatnot [12:39] also it is (c) disney [12:39] lol [12:43] gtg === muesli_ is now known as muesli [14:00] apachelogger: Progress on getting KDE built on armel is pending you turning a bit of your giant brain to the question of how best to deal with "CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb" (e.g. in pkg-kde-tools or package by package). [14:01] * ScottK is fixing Qt packages in the mean time. [14:03] ScottK: nice work... resorting to "head swelling" to get things done :D [14:10] ScottK: actually doko said I should forward that change to him since he thought it's a bug that it didn't compile without compiler flag changes [14:13] * maco attempts to recruit #ubuntu person to Qt [14:17] (was looking for C++ IDE and a toolkit to use instead of Visual C++) [14:20] maco, That's not recruiting: that's just showing folk the best supported C++ environment in Ubuntu. [14:25] persia: apachelogger make is zomg [14:26] ive read about 30 pages or such.. but it is really awesome [14:26] shadeslayer_, *best* scripting environment ever. There's a reason most folk recommend using this for debian/rules. [14:27] *nod* [14:27] huh what? [14:27] * gaurav was wondering if a new amarok package was on its way. [14:28] who's the new recruit ^ [14:29] apachelogger hey [14:29] apachelogger can you link that logo again? [14:29] maco, context is that apachelogger and I insisted shadeslayer_ needed to read the entire make manual before complaining about debian/rules hacks [14:29] gaurav: should it be? === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [14:31] persia: oh. i should do that some day maybe... [14:31] should also read that book i have on gdb [14:31] then maybe i could do something about all those bugs that have stacktraces attached [14:32] you can do things with stacktraces without having to know gdb [14:32] One doesn't need to read a book on gdb to read a stacktrace. I tend to be the person who gives the most stacktrace-reading training for Ubuntu, and I don't use gdb in the process at all (except perhaps as a lower-level for automation) [14:32] you just have to be able to read the stacktrace enough to find out where the crash is and the code path to it [14:33] or course gdb can be useful for creating the stacktrace or debugging once you know there's a problem but aren't quite sure what caused it [14:34] Riddell: I was talking to jefferai the other day, about songs not getting indexed properly in the amarok's library. He told me that he was in contact with the package maintainers about that bug. [14:36] gaurav: ok don't think I've heard of that issue but we've been at the Ubuntu Summit last week so things may have gone unnoticed [14:38] no problem :) i'll just build amarok from trunk till we get the fix. [14:39] i always get confused at the bit where the stacktrace goes all the way to telling me glib had a freakout, and then i dont know if its the app or the library thats buggy [14:43] Riddell: OK. I know he's offline this week, so I guess we'll have to wait. [14:44] anyone know what this means from the kubuntu coding notes? "investiage setting grab server to through in kdmrc" [14:44] sheytan: which logo? [14:44] Riddell apachelogger wants me to do a header for his blog with uds logo [14:45] the one on http://summit.ubuntu.com/ ? [14:49] Riddell yes, thank you [14:59] Riddell apachelogger http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2208/udsheader.png :D [15:01] jussi: dude... be patient, i havent uploaded all of them yet ^_^ [15:01] LOL [15:02] ~3 more to go [15:03] jussi: all done.. now go tag yourself :P [15:10] bwahahah [15:18] sheytan: beautiful [15:20] ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2 [15:20] ScottK: I think doko needs to be poked, according to that thumb should be default in gcc... [15:20] apachelogger: doko requested to be poked [15:21] feel free to do so [15:21] dont see him in ubuntu-devel :( [15:22] 14:43 < ScottK> Riddell: OK. I know he's offline this week, so I guess we'll have to wait. [15:22] apachelogger: that's about doko [15:22] oh [15:22] maybe we need to do some change research [15:23] apachelogger: Riddell ive uploaded pics to fb [15:23] * apachelogger is wondering when Riddell will upload something :P [15:24] apachelogger: after I've tidied up all these session notes :) [15:25] Riddell: next time you might consider distributing that work load ;) [15:26] oh my [15:26] <3 good changelogs [15:26] thumb introduction to gcc-4.4 is documented, removal apparently not [15:27] shadeslayer: nice pix [15:27] shadeslayer++ [15:27] shadeslayer: though flickr would be more useful to the wider public I think :) [15:27] apachelogger: ill upload to flickr as well [15:27] duplication ftw! [15:27] stupid online service providers [15:27] aye [15:28] it would have been awesome if fb could import from flickr [15:28] shadeslayer: it cant? [15:28] youd think thered be an app for that [15:28] dont think so [15:28] there even is one for the picasa [15:29] apachelogger thanks :D [15:32] uploading to flickr [15:35] shadeslayer: you can get flickr to notify facebook of new uploads, I have that set [15:37] Riddell: as apachelogger put it... data duplication ftw [15:39] how is that data duplication? [15:41] sheytan: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html what do you think? [15:41] Riddell: it isnt, what shadeslayer is doing is data duplication ;) [15:42] ScottK: ^ I revised the more clients part a bit, probably still a bit vague on the thunderbird side of things [15:42] * apachelogger is not entirely sure what to write about it though [15:43] apachelogger cool :D [15:44] Nightrose: what do you think about http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html [15:44] apachelogger: sorry honey - still at work :/ [15:44] Nightrose: you need to get rid of busyness [15:45] :D [15:45] you barely have time to snuggle with me [15:45] it pays the bills you know [15:45] awwwww [15:45] *huggle* [15:45] you could just litter the bills :P [15:46] hehe [15:46] i wish [15:49] oh dear, we just signed up goethe for a course on software paradigms :O [15:50] -.- [15:54] shadeslayer: ping [15:54] pong [15:55] shadeslayer: what do you think of the content http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html [15:57] persia: can we call the Ubuntu Addressbook "Butterfly"? :D [15:57] Isn't that reserved for use with MSN? [15:58] oh, possibly [15:59] Maybe "Moth"? or is that too bright? [15:59] apachelogger: Since KDE is involved the Kubuntu team is of << maybe add a comma there? [16:00] persia: not fluffy enough ;) [16:00] persia: not as fluffy [16:00] On Sunday, valorie and I were talking about it a bit more, and wondered if it didn't make sense to try to find a way to hook up diaspora and LP instead of creating a special tool, because of the many places that have laws related to storage of things like names, addresses, and phone numbers. [16:01] * persia , having inspected both moths and butterflys under microscopes, knows that moths have wing hair and butterflies have wing powder, making moths "more fluffy", but understands the widespread misunderstandings on this topic related to colours [16:02] oh dear, kobby needs a search for documents [16:02] is kolab still using good old cyrus? [16:02] al: yeah [16:03] dealbreaker :> [16:03] persia: question is if diaspora meets the requirements [16:04] Yeah, dunno. [16:04] maco, ? [16:04] al: Dovecot is being looked into [16:04] Riddell, sounds good [16:06] apachelogger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45059736@N02/sets/72157625297087490/ [16:06] shadeslayer: did you tag them uds-n? [16:06] im doing that [16:10] ok..i cant figure it out -.- [16:10] wait... [16:10] zomg.. i have to tag each and every one of these? [16:12] * gcc-arm-implicit-it.diff: Only pass -mimplicit-it=thumb when in [16:12] thumb mode (Andrew Stubbs). [16:12] interesting [16:13] done [16:13] ScottK: to me it looks as if something were broken... also it seems we could use -mthumb [16:16] shadeslayer: anything else? ... I was more interested in understandibility and overall consistency etc. :) [16:16] apachelogger: imo it looks good [16:16] Use of mthumb significantly reduces code size, which can improve performance in some cases (because more code can fit in cache) [16:20] apachelogger: "KDEPIM Enterprise is a special branch of KDEPIM tweaked for Kolab." are you referring to KDE 3 or KDE 4 PIM there? [16:21] general [16:21] Riddell: is enterprise not seperate in KDE 4? [16:21] apachelogger: not for KMail 2 (if I remember correctly) [16:22] enterprise 3 == KDE 3 PIM , enterprise 4 == branch of KDE 4 PIM with KMail 1, enterprise 5 == branch now merged into trunk of KDE 4 PIM with KMail 2 [16:22] I think [16:22] and enterprise 4 branch isn't very interesting, not many kolab users for kde 4 [16:22] since they're waiting for kmail 2 [16:23] I think [16:29] Riddell: Yep, e5 is current trunk [16:29] It will probably eventually be KDE 4.7 i tihn [16:29] think* [16:29] steveire: you don't think there will be another KDE PIM release before 4.7? [16:30] Oh, there will be, yes, but we wont' call it e5 [16:30] and maintain it for 10 years [16:30] ah I see [16:30] I'm just guessing though too [16:35] Riddell: Where will KDE be for the next kubnutu lts? [16:45] steveire: possibly 4.7 or 4.7.1 [16:46] apachelogger: did you get your signed keys? [16:46] So that's April 2012? [16:47] steveire: Next LTS is due in April, 2012 [16:47] if 4.7 can come out before the feature freeze i suppose it can go in [16:48] Interesting, thanks [16:49] it'll be KDE SC 4.8 by then [16:50] Riddell: can i export the default kde cache and kde config folders before starting startkde? [16:52] shadeslayer: I'm afraid I don't know [16:52] hmm [16:52] probably there's some way to do it [16:53] "P [16:53] :O [16:53] zomg [16:53] * shadeslayer cant believe this [16:53] shadeslayer: get home ok? [16:54] Riddell: yus :) [16:54] what about you? [16:54] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/1qj4j4Hw << look at that.. its sandboxed by default [16:54] Quintasan: yofel_ we are epic [16:54] what am I ment to look at? [16:55] Riddell: line 84 [16:55] and afaik we havent patched anything [16:55] so everything is set by buildd i suppose [16:55] voila [16:56] that'll be a patch [16:56] dont think so [16:56] then it's set with cmake arguments [16:56] probably [16:57] thats why its epic === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:04] maco: do you have the bug number for the gvfs issue in Qt? [17:04] yeah, I think startkde get's modified by cmake at some point, which makes that stuff much easier [17:05] still leaves the /tmp files [17:06] aye ^ [17:06] we'll still have to add a file to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ I think [17:06] mgraesslin: back home? [17:06] yofel: whats in there? [17:07] shadeslayer: you and I am already working again :-( [17:07] mgraesslin: im just working today, i have my exams from next week :P [17:08] hmm on second thought: working is better than exams ;-) [17:08] yeah .... [17:08] shadeslayer: maybe I'm totally mistaken, as I'm not sure how the .so stuff is done, but we might have to tell it to look in /opt at runtime too (or I'm just confusing that with something else) [17:09] i think that is what apachelogger was trying to tell me [17:09] because the folderview plasmoid doesnt work [17:10] at build time we set LD_LIBRARY_PATH currently, but startkde doesn't set it by itself on runtime [17:12] hmm [17:15] someone ought to clean the ppa of source packages [17:15] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ServerNattyKolab is from before UDS I think, are there any notes from after? are there any action items? [17:16] There seems to be some conflict of libkonq5 with libkonq5a in natty. Is somebody working on resolving that? [17:16] * hunger got stuck halfway in an maverick->natty update. [17:16] heh [17:16] hunger: natty is not supported [17:17] hunger: fixing that is next on my todo list after the paperwork from UDS [17:17] its like ... pre alpha [17:17] but I may not get to it today, lots of paperwork [17:17] shadeslayer: he knows the risks :) [17:17] shadeslayer: I am aware of that. But you guys want to get it to alpha state, so I guess you will be working on any issues that come up anyway:-) [17:17] ah well [17:18] Riddell: That would be great. [17:18] shadeslayer: I am not complaining that I am stuck, I am just curious for how long I'll end up being stuck:-) [17:18] hunger: use project neon if you want bleeding edge :P [17:19] ah ok [17:19] shadeslayer: Or whether I'll just switch to my own KDE builds for a while:-) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | Merges! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/NattyMerges [17:43] long todo list! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [17:44] I should take something for me in this cycle [17:45] Tm_T: you're into locos? working out the "integrate kubuntu into locos" bit with darkwingduck would be a good start [17:47] ooh, that could be it yres [17:47] yes [17:47] can I volunteer, and if I try and fail then take my name off? (Im thinking of plasma media center packaging) [17:50] jussi: of course [17:50] jussi: for that item the first step is to check with upstream what the status is and if it makes any sense at all to package [17:52] Riddell: yeah, I downloaded it yesterday and got it to build, but its not working right _yet_ Ill contact upstram soonish [17:53] oooh [17:53] jussi: getting into packaging? [17:53] shadeslayer: *back* into packaging? :P [17:53] oic [17:54] shadeslayer: !!!!!! [17:54] wha... [17:54] !u [17:54] U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information. [17:54] :D [17:54] oh... [17:57] ahh now then... I think I actually found it in playground... [17:58] i can only take up stuff after 12th November [17:59] mrgh [18:03] did you know sometimes Im an idiot? :D [18:11] hrm, just built it on maverick... vaguely works - cant seem to get it to open much though... [18:17] what are the soprano bits here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/524579/ [18:20] jussi: do you have nepomuk running? [18:21] no idea... [18:23] jussi 1711 0.0 0.4 87224 16908 ? Sl 17:55 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder --identifier akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder [18:23] jussi 1744 0.0 0.1 43316 7060 ? Sl 17:55 0:00 /usr/bin/nepomukserver [18:33] Riddell: see above [19:43] Riddell: so e5 will not be a seperate branch? in that case I should drop mentioning its branched nature [19:45] shadeslayer: cant see any === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin_lapto [20:04] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/apachelog.wordpress.com.html better? === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [20:15] Nightrose: are you home yet? [20:15] ^^ [20:15] apachelogger: i am now yes [20:15] Nightrose: time to read that page? [20:15] i'll try ;-) [20:15] * apachelogger still feels something is odd about it [20:18] The enterprise 5 release will however be based of regular KDEPIM. [20:19] should probably be off [20:19] b/a) [20:19] ? ;-) [20:21] apachelogger: ^ [20:21] besides that i think it's good [20:21] the intro is a bit apprupt [20:22] eeeeeek [20:22] Nightrose: ideas for better intro [20:22] not really sorr [20:22] y [20:22] ScottK: kolabsync is the broken with thunderbird 1.5 [20:22] in particular it does not want to install [20:22] because it is not compatible [20:22] this is god horrible [20:23] eh [20:23] s/1.5/3.1 [20:25] 3.0.* [20:25] brrrr [20:37] * apachelogger hates rekonq [20:37] Nightrose: I add an question to the intro, how is that? [20:37] apachelogger: sounds good [20:38] splendid [20:38] only waiting for ScottK and Riddell then [20:38] Nightrose: thanks [20:38] yw [20:45] darkwingduck here :( [20:45] +no [21:33] * apachelogger snuggles Nightrose [21:33] * Nightrose huggles apachelogger [21:39] shadeslayer: btw if you do not license the flickr stuff CC the nice people of ubuntu marketing will not be able to utilize it ^^ [21:39] also remember jono's introductionary talk ;) [21:40] I see the new natty todo [21:41] what happened to the postponed fix samba file sharing? [21:45] eaten alive