[00:07] <wilhart> where in KDE do i config that alt-tab just access desktop1?
[00:08] <RoDiMuS-X> nerdy_kid: there is no native dock other than the bar in KDE
[00:12] <nerdy_kid> RoDiMuS-X: no, but the bar can be made to look like a dock.
[00:16] <wilhart> anyone?
[00:16] <wilhart> know where the place is
[00:17] <KimLaRoux> do you mean; desktop 1, even on every other desktops, or the active desktop?
[00:18] <wilhart> KimLaRoux, i have desktop1 and 2
[00:18] <wilhart> KimLaRoux, i mean projector and desktop
[00:18] <wilhart> KimLaRoux, when i watch moveies and press alt-tab u know
[00:19] <KimLaRoux> so you have like a dual screen
[00:19] <wilhart> dont want that window to switch
[00:19] <wilhart> yes
[00:19] <wilhart> twinview
[00:19] <KimLaRoux> ah, tricky
[00:19] <KimLaRoux> nvidia card?
[00:19] <wilhart> yes
[00:19] <wilhart> KimLaRoux, it's annoying
[00:19] <KimLaRoux> using what output for the projector?
[00:19] <wilhart> KimLaRoux, mm vpdau
[00:20] <KimLaRoux> hhmm, I don't even know what vpdau is =P
[00:20] <wilhart> heh
[00:20] <wilhart> xv? then?
[00:20] <KimLaRoux> neither
[00:21] <KimLaRoux> lol
[00:21] <KimLaRoux> I meant, hardware... VGA, DVI, S-vid?
[00:21] <KimLaRoux> do you have a real twin-head card or is one output simply a tv-out
[00:22] <wilhart> KimLaRoux, dvi-hdmi
[00:22] <KimLaRoux> Ah, technology... I forgot about those
[00:22] <wilhart> there should be some kindo setting
[00:23] <KimLaRoux> well, I know there's a way in nvidia panel under windows to setup one out as pure video; the video from any player in any screen is piped through the tv-out
[00:24] <KimLaRoux> I'd be amazed if such a feat was feasible under linux
[00:24] <wilhart> meh
[00:25] <KimLaRoux> what about setting up the other head as a different desktop?
[00:25] <KimLaRoux> instead of an extended one
[00:25] <KimLaRoux> I know this can be done
[00:28] <Glaivlen> does anyone know a good graphing program for linux? :\
[00:28] <KimLaRoux> the gimp
[00:28] <Glaivlen> Especially one that knows trig functions... :)
[00:28] <KimLaRoux> oh you mean
[00:28] <KimLaRoux> calculcator?
[00:28] <Glaivlen> Yush XD
[00:28] <Glaivlen> sorry bout confuzzlation :P
[00:29] <KimLaRoux> ExtCalc
[00:29] <KimLaRoux> Genius Math Tools
[00:29] <KimLaRoux> Speedcrunch
[00:29] <Glaivlen> Thanks :D
[00:29] <KimLaRoux> those are the 4 I use
[00:29] <KimLaRoux> they are in apt
[00:30] <KimLaRoux> 3*
[00:30] <Glaivlen> Tan functions confuse me so much ;-;
[00:31] <KimLaRoux> I find it most interesting
[00:31] <KimLaRoux> it's a simple sin/cos
[00:34] <Glaivlen> how do you find the asymptotes when the function transforms?
[00:35] <KimLaRoux> the asymptotes are the lines where there is no X
[00:35] <Glaivlen> Ah...
[00:35] <KimLaRoux> =)
[00:36] <KimLaRoux> the lines of the function follows them, up and down, but never actually reach them
[00:44] <westyvw> Arrgg so many crashy apps!
[00:45] <KimLaRoux> welcome to 10.10
[00:45] <westyvw> no kidding
[00:45] <KimLaRoux> =)
[00:45] <westyvw> switched from debian Sid to Kubuntu, much moar crashy now
[00:45] <KimLaRoux> last time I'm updating to anything else than an LTS =P
[00:46] <Glaivlen> how do you do pi in Genius and extcalc?
[00:48] <KimLaRoux> type pi
[00:48] <KimLaRoux> lol
[00:49] <Glaivlen> Gives me an error :(
[00:49] <Glaivlen> Call of 'pi' with the wrong number of arguments!
[00:49] <Glaivlen> (should be 0)
[00:49] <Glaivlen> Call of 'pi' with the wrong number of arguments!
[00:49] <Glaivlen> (should be 0)
[00:49] <Glaivlen> Call of 'pi' with the wrong number of arguments!
[00:49] <FloodBotK2> Glaivlen: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:51] <frogonwheels> Glaivlen:  pi() ?
[00:51] <KimLaRoux> yes, you have to use () very often, they prefer those
[00:51] <pibarnas> pi(barnas)
[00:53] <KimLaRoux> why do you need pi in the grap?
[00:53] <KimLaRoux> nvm
[00:54] <Fuku> witam
[00:55] <Fuku> hello
[00:55] <Fuku> are u here?
[01:03] <RoDiMuS-X> I am here
[01:05] <liul> hi
[01:06] <RoDiMuS-X> hello
[01:52] <Guest23749> hey does anyone know what the channel is where i can ask question about ubuntu?
[01:54] <KimLaRoux> #ubuntu
[01:57]  * KimLaRoux kills amarok with a spork.
[02:53] <palodequeso> has anyone tried to get BuGle working in 10.10?
[02:53] <palodequeso> I can't get it to compile.
[02:56] <moetunes>    palodequeso what are the errors?
[02:56] <palodequeso> moetunes: one second
[02:56] <palodequeso> build/gcc_gcc_gl_glx_x11_posix_release/budgielib/lib.c:38534: error: too many arguments to function ‘(GLuint (*)(GLuint,  GLsizei,  GLenum *, GLuint *, GLuint *, GLsizei *, GLchar *))budgie_function_address_real(603)’
[02:57] <moetunes> palodequeso:  that looks like the app wasn't written right...
[02:58] <palodequeso> hmm, do you know of any other opengl debugging software?
[02:58] <palodequeso> so far, I've been writing my own, building it into my application, but this offers such rapid information
[02:58] <moetunes> nope sorry
[02:58] <palodequeso> okey dokey, thanks anyway :)
[04:26] <seawing> Hello, I have done a fresh install of kubuntu 10.10 and have been experiencing troubles.  Programs open slowly, more than three porcesses running at once and it grinds to a halt,  internet connection on Firefox and Opera work sometimes and sometimes not both wireless and ethernet, Very slow to switch between windows, etc.  On the suggestion of someone here, I reinstalled KDE with no noticable effect.  I have tried creating a new user,
[04:26] <seawing>  nothing.  Do I need to just burn a new disk and start from scratch?  I can't really afford to have my laptop down any longer.
[04:28] <Muldies> does anyone know how to get an apple bluetooth keyboard/magic mouse to work under 10.10? the installer works fine, and if i boot linux with safe mode and drop to a shell, the keyboard works, but on normal boot, at the kdm login screen, neither device will work. so i'm guessing something to do with whatever bluetooth manager kde is using is screwing up the pairing or omsething
[04:41] <seawing> I guess I'll try back later.
[04:43] <jonbet> hi all..
[04:45] <jonbet> does anybody know why does alsa-driver 1.0.23 is newer than 1.0.9..?
[05:07] <westyvw> or are you here seawing?
[05:08] <Balsaq> good morning kubuntites
[05:08] <westyvw> i started working on fixing my overclocking problems last night anyone here familiar with cpu frequency adjustment on Kubuntu?
[05:10] <Balsaq> Unfortunately, CPU frequency scaling can currently only be monitored on Linux machines that have support in the kernel.
[05:10] <westyvw> i have suppot, and thats acutally the problem
[05:11] <Balsaq> explain
[05:11] <westyvw> processor is overclocked at 3.6
[05:11] <westyvw> cpu reports capabilities that are put into the stepping
[05:12] <westyvw> Kubuntu obeys stepping and runs max at 3.0
[05:12] <westyvw> dmidecode -t processor shows tru speed, while cat  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq
[05:12] <westyvw> show stepping speed
[05:13] <westyvw> i need to know what the governor is for Kubuntu so I can get it to either quit interfering or manipulate it
[05:13] <Balsaq> Install cpufreq-selector with SUID root
[05:15] <westyvw> being a part of the cpufreq utils package i would imagine?
[05:17] <Balsaq> In your Ubuntu
[05:17] <Balsaq> , you can easily switch your CPU frequency via the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor Gnome-applets.
[05:17] <Balsaq> http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-control-your-cpu-frequency-in-ubuntu/2009/04/10
[05:18] <westyvw> lol gnome applet it KDE?
[05:18] <Balsaq> get it going in gnome desktop then instal lkde after the fact?
[05:18] <westyvw> and no it would not work, because the max the applet will allow is set in the  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq
[05:19] <Balsaq> eh
[05:19] <westyvw> now i could echo into the max frew
[05:19] <westyvw> freq
[05:19] <westyvw> the cpufreutils do not work as their is no user space
[05:19] <westyvw> previosuly I would disable cpu throttling in Debian Sid and that was good enough
[05:21] <moetunes> do you have the file   /etc/con.d/cpufreq   ?
[05:21] <moetunes> do you have the file   /etc/conf.d/cpufreq   ?
[05:21] <westyvw> no
[05:22] <Balsaq> i see
[05:23] <westyvw> i would have to add the cpufreq deamon i believe. but i dont want it to conflict with the current cpu manager (which is working BTW)
[05:24] <westyvw> could try it anyway....
[05:24] <westyvw> lol now it jumped to 3 GHZ and stays there
[05:25] <Balsaq> i wonder if i can move my 3.4HT to 3.6 or higher?
[05:25] <westyvw> whats HT?
[05:25] <Balsaq> hyper threading
[05:25] <westyvw> oh i see
[05:25] <Balsaq> in a way its like an early dual core
[05:26] <westyvw> set cpu overclock in bios
[05:26] <Balsaq> nice fat one
[05:26] <westyvw> then get it to work in the machine
[05:26] <Balsaq> i wonder if its easier to tweak fsb and the ram
[05:26] <westyvw> mine is a late run of my processor, so intel was getting perfect cores, but making them different to have different price points
[05:27] <westyvw> that way i knowmine is a underclocked 3.6
[05:27] <westyvw> so i should run it at 3.6
[05:27] <westyvw> and have for years
[05:27] <Balsaq> not sure if the prescotts were like that or not
[05:27] <Balsaq> but its blazing fast wit h4 gigs of ddr2
[05:27] <westyvw> sweet. i gotta reboot BRB
[05:28] <jesse_> hi
[05:28] <jesse_> anyone with drupal here
[05:33] <westyvw> is Kubuntu using apt or aptitude?
[05:34] <westyvw> dang need to reboot again! purged files
[05:39] <frogonwheels> westyvw: aptitude is (like all the debian/ubuntu package managers) just a wrapper around apt
[05:39] <westyvw> frogonwheels: once you aptitude you dont go back
[05:40] <westyvw> frogonwheels: seriously, if a system is set up with aptiture you dont switch back to apt, you need to know
[05:41] <frogonwheels> westyvw: I dunno why - I use apt-get install when I need to - but generally use aptitude for upgrading stuff
[05:44] <westyvw> ah crap i gotta get higher permissions then sudo to echo to /sys/devices
[05:44] <westyvw> now i gotta set up a root user
[05:44] <westyvw> unless someone can tell me another way
[05:44] <frogonwheels> westyvw: sudo -s   ?
[05:45] <westyvw> permission denied
[05:45] <frogonwheels> .. just sudo -s
[05:45] <westyvw> AH!
[05:45] <westyvw> thanks
[05:45] <frogonwheels> np
[05:45] <westyvw> i didnt know you could do that
[05:45] <frogonwheels> :)
[05:46] <westyvw> ACK! still permission denied!
[05:46] <frogonwheels> westyvw: presumably you're echoing to things you shouldn't be
[05:47] <westyvw> UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn
[05:48] <frogonwheels> westyvw: ok - but we're talking /sys  so it's a pseudo filesystem - so sometimes you just can't do things in there!
[05:48] <westyvw> frogonwheels: yeah i know. I just want to echo in a new maxfrequency
[05:49] <frogonwheels> westyvw: :) well obviously there's no feedback from the maxfrequency to actaully doing a system change
[05:49] <westyvw> this is a fresh install i am messing with it to find the answer then reinstall anyways, so it should be good
[05:49] <westyvw> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling
[05:51] <frogonwheels> so you're  using scaling_setspeed  ??   looks like this requires some kernel options enabled (guses they should be tho)
[05:51] <sresu> After recent upgrade, mozilla and vlc window have changed to like this - http://imagebin.ca/view/oBwKKre.html  http://imagebin.ca/view/IgE-zNsl.html  What can be wrong?
[05:53] <westyvw> frogonwheels: lowerdown in the page you can see editing the values manually using the sys interface. Already tried adding my own governers, but its not the way to go
[06:12] <frogonwheels> westyvw: did you set your governor to userspace ?
[06:12] <westyvw> no not yet
[06:13] <frogonwheels> you might want to try that - suspect that's why you can't change your speed
[06:13] <westyvw> would i need to add or change any freq demon?
[06:13] <westyvw> ok i will edit sys.cong
[06:13] <westyvw> ok i will edit sys.conf
[06:13] <frogonwheels> just echo userspace > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_govenor
[06:13] <frogonwheels> afaics
[06:14] <frogonwheels> "If you are using the userspace governor, you can write to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed  ...."   the relevent words being 'IF' , 'userspace' and 'govenor'
[06:17] <westyvw> wionder why i wouldnt have to do that to both cores?
[06:18] <moetunes> one is linked to the other
[06:18] <westyvw> brb reboot
[06:18] <moetunes> have a look at cpu1s' cpufreq folder
[06:22] <moetunes> a nice little script I use to change the cpu freq - http://pastebin.com/pDTVnrhB
[06:30] <westyvw> even editing sys control isnot setting the sys devices
[06:34] <moetunes> I thought sysctl worked on /proc/sys files not /sys...
[06:34] <westyvw> sorry sysfs.conf
[06:38] <moetunes> are you loading the userspace module?
[07:45] <Cato37> is there an alternative to adobe flash?
[07:46] <elimental> html5 ? :)
[07:46] <elimental> sorry could not resist
[07:46] <moetunes> !flash
[07:46] <Cato37> :) np.
[07:47] <Cato37> i tried gnash but i got a crash bug alert, and am currently letting the packager dl the debugging symbols to send back.
[07:48] <moetunes> gnash never worked for me here
[07:48] <Cato37> it will take 18 minutes for all the packages. is that about right with a low end broadband connection?
[07:48] <Cato37> for the debugging packages that is
[07:49] <moetunes> depends on the size of the download and your speed...
[07:50] <Cato37> regardless of the stupid things i have done in root, i have used kubuntu consistently all semester. :)
[07:52] <Cato37> i havent had the chance to fill out a crash handler alert before, so it is pretty exciting.
[07:52] <moetunes> heh I wouldn't call it exciting :)
[07:57] <grateremo> hello can i ask some one something for a sec ?
[07:58] <grateremo> i dont think i have a major problem but i can fix it my self
[07:59] <grateremo> any one ???
[08:00] <elimental> just ask already if someone can awnser they will
[08:00] <moetunes> grateremo:  you have to say what the issue is :)
[08:02] <grateremo> well my issue is that i am trying to update my kubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10 and when its done installing to the HD it wont load after i restart my computer
[08:03] <moetunes> what do you mean about it not loading?
[08:03] <elimental> stuck at grub?
[08:04] <grateremo> no it gets past my computers bios and just shows a blinking line and hangs there
[08:04] <moetunes> sounds like it didn't install grub
[08:05] <elimental> have you got a live cd?
[08:05] <grateremo> all i did was download the dvd ver of kubuntu 10.10
[08:07] <elimental> Do you know linux aka you want command line fix or do you want to click fix?
[08:08] <elimental> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html
[08:08] <grateremo> dont matter to me but i have no were to type a command in
[08:09] <elimental> thats why the live cd Question
[08:09] <grateremo> i can run off the cd if i have to
[08:09] <elimental> above link shows you how to fix
[08:09] <grateremo> ok thanks
[08:10] <elimental> command line just boot goto konsole mount drive, chroot and do a grub-install
[08:11] <grateremo> ok and another thing i would like to know befor i install this is how do i change the root password ??
[08:12] <moetunes> sudo passwd in a terminal
[08:12] <grateremo> ok thanks thats all i need to know for to night
[08:12] <elimental> sudo passwd root
[08:12] <moetunes> but you need to know the original one
[08:12] <grateremo> thats fine
[08:12] <jussi> !supportroot
[08:13] <grateremo> but thanks again
[08:13] <grateremo> good night
[08:13] <jussi> elimental: grateremo, please see above
[08:26] <grateremo> ok i have every thing working on my computer now but i still have the same problem that i had in 10.04 which is i can load my gt 220 nvidia driver
[08:29] <grateremo> hello ???
[08:30] <amigrave> with multiple monitors, who can I tell which monitor should be the 'master' with the taskbar. I can't set the master to "absolute" position but I can't put the "secondary" on "Above". The opposite is possible tought (which I don't want)
[09:33] <wilhart> anyone here?
[09:33] <wilhart> how do i alt-tab without the twin view screen 2
[09:34] <moetunes> err what do you want to do?
[09:36] <Space_Man> wilhart: you can alt-tab by pressing the alt key and the tab key :P
[09:36] <moetunes> heh
[10:12] <sresu> After recent upgrade,vlc window has changed to like this - http://imagebin.ca/view/oBwKKre.html  What can be wrong?
[10:12] <sresu> Why that black bold line?
[10:12] <sresu>   
[10:12] <amichair> sresu: I think that's where the content is supposed to go (in non-fullscreen mode)
[10:13] <sresu>  amichair, No it was not like that before
[10:13] <sresu> amichair: Do you use vlc?
[10:14] <amichair> yep
[10:14] <sresu> That's not much of a problem but why mozilla -  http://imagebin.ca/view/IgE-zNsl.html  ??
[10:14] <amichair> currently 1.1.4
[10:14] <sresu> Did you see the change in the mozilla window as well?
[10:14] <Ced_> Heya, i have a DNS related problem on ubuntu, can point me in the right direction?
[10:15] <sresu> Ced_: Ubuntu or Kubuntu distro?
[10:15] <amichair> sresu: I don't (FF is quite customizable, so mine might look different in any case)
[10:15] <sresu> amichair: No able to understand why it became dull
[10:16] <Ced_> sresu: Ubuntu, but the problem is not gnome or KDE related
[10:17] <sresu> Ced_: For DNS you must contact your ISP, I suppose
[10:17] <amichair> sresu: my vlc as of a recent upgrade shows the construction cone in the middle of the video screen when not playing (it used to be just black). but I think it's all in the configuration somewhere.
[10:17] <sresu> amichair: Yeah, I will find that out..
[10:17] <Ced_> sresu: No, we have a local DNS server, which we can ping on IP, but not on hostname, we can however, nslookup the IP on the hostname, which makes no sense
[10:17] <sresu> amichair: But, what about mozilla?
[10:17] <Ced_> Even Reverse lookup works
[10:18] <amichair> sresu: I can't tell how it looked like before the change in your case, so hard to say
[10:18] <sresu> Hold on.. I'll link the image...amichair
[10:21] <sresu> Ced_: Have you tried asking in #ubuntu
[10:22] <Ced_> Yes, everyone ignored me :P
[10:22] <Ced_> Maybe i should ask in #bind, if there is any, or something similar
[10:23] <Ced_> It's a really odd problem
[10:24] <Ced_> ping 192.168.30.132 works, ping dc01.combi.local fails, nslookup dc01.combi.local works, nslookup 192.168.30.132 works (reverse lookup)
[10:27] <Ced_> Does anyone know a channel i should try?
[10:28] <sresu> Ced_: erhaps #networking
[10:28] <sresu> Perhaps*
[10:28] <Ced_> I'll try
[10:28] <Ced_> thanks
[10:33] <sresu> amichair: No, its fine.. Thanks :)
[10:35] <amichair> sresu: :)
[10:36] <noaXess> hello all
[10:37] <noaXess> have a problem on a customers kubuntu 10.04... if he want delete/ move a file to trash, dolphin shows a information that trash is full.. but trash isn't full.. have also checked in ~/.local/share/Trash/files and ~/.local/share/trash/info.. they are empty..
[10:37] <noaXess> any idea?..
[10:38] <amichair> noaXess: any chance the disk/partition/quota is full? or it actually says there's something in the trash?
[10:39] <moetunes> noaXess:  or is he using the root account
[10:39] <noaXess> amichair: no.. 1TB and about 102GB used.. so enough free space
[10:39] <noaXess> not using root acount..
[10:40] <noaXess> of i crate a file over konsole with vi test.txt, write in some text, save it and then delete it, no problem
[10:40] <noaXess> just inside kde
[10:40] <amichair> noaXess: deleting in konsole doesn't go through Trash, as far as I know
[10:41] <amichair> noaXess: can you post the exact error you're seeing?
[10:41] <noaXess> amichair: it's in german.. wait..
[10:42] <noaXess> thunderbird has also problems to write files to the disc.. hm..
[10:43] <noaXess> but that can be another problem
[10:43] <amichair> noaXess: maybe u can start by running a disk check (fsck)
[10:44] <noaXess> ok, message in german: Der Mülleimer hat seine maximale Grösse erreicht. Bitte leeren Sie ihn von Hand... thats says that the trash's size is a max and i need to empty it manually.. but the trash is empty
[10:44] <moetunes> it might be permissions on the home dir or ownership
[10:44] <noaXess> if i delete a file directly with shift+del.. that works
[10:44] <noaXess> hm...
[10:44] <noaXess> let me check
[10:45] <noaXess> creating files in home works fine
[10:45] <noaXess> just move them to trash
[10:46] <amichair> noaXess: another possibility, go to dolphin's Trash settings, make sure the limits are ok
[10:46] <noaXess> amichair: allready checked
[10:46] <noaXess> 1% of 1TB should be enough
[10:47] <noaXess> permissions on trash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/524361/
[10:48] <noaXess> found a solution.. have deleted the content of ~/.local/share/Trash/ and recreated ~/.local/share/Trash/files and ~/.local/share/Trash/info.. now moving to trash works
[10:49] <amichair> noaXess: good solution!
[10:50] <noaXess> permissions after: http://paste.ubuntu.com/524363/
[10:52] <amichair> noaXess: I don't have the additional permissions here... but if it fixed the problem, that's good enough :-)
[10:52] <noaXess> amichair: yeah.. now fix the problem with thunderbird.. on fetching mails, i get a write permission error.. seams that there are alos permission problems in tb's profile fodler
[10:52] <noaXess> fodler
[10:52] <yuvankumar> hi, just a newbie question...what is the best email client for a dual-boot environment? (windows7 and kubuntu 10.10)
[10:52] <noaXess> aaaa.. folder.. sorry
[10:53] <noaXess> thunderbird
[10:54] <amichair> yuvankumar: I used Thunderbird on windows back in the day, and now use it in kubuntu. I never used them both concurrently to access the same local mailbox, though. if you're using e.g. IMAP, it should be ok.
[10:55] <amichair> noaXess: maybe a rogue recursive chmod at some point caused the problems?
[10:55] <yuvankumar> thx guys, yeah...was wondering how i could set it up so that it can be shared from linux and windows
[10:55] <noaXess> amichair: don't know... the customer is not familiar with this.. hm..
[10:56] <noaXess> yuvankumar: don't do that.. cuase different filesystem types and permissions...
[10:56] <amichair> yuvankumar: depends on how your mail is set up. IMAP or gmail or similar mail configuration which can leave the mail on the server, is probably the easiest and safest solution
[10:57] <amichair> yuvankumar: although theoretically it should be possible to put a local mail directory on the windows/NTFS side and access it also from linux... but you should make a backup and/or test it a bunch to make sure it's a stable configuration
[10:58] <noaXess> amichair: thunderbird solved.. was a mail-server imap problem.. mailbox quota ;).. informed the customer..
[10:58] <yuvankumar> i'll setup thunderbird on kubuntu first, and see if i can get it to work from windows
[10:58] <yuvankumar> thx for the advice guys!
[10:58] <amichair> noaXess: that's 2 for 2 for you! ;-)
[10:59] <amichair> yuvankumar: windows will not be able to access ext2/3/4 partitions (most common in linux) out of the box
[11:00] <amichair> yuvankumar: but k/ubuntu can access NTFS with no problem
[11:00] <yuvankumar> thats true, forgot abt that
[11:00] <amichair> so it's simpler to put shared stuff on the NTFS side
[11:00] <noaXess> amichair: yeah.. bbs.. lunchtime..
[11:01] <amichair> yuvankumar: (but you can still start playing around on the linux side, just configure the data files to be on the NTFS drive somewhere)
[11:03] <yuvankumar> can i use dolphin to acccess the ntfs files? coz i didn't allocate any ntfs space for kubuntu during installation
[11:03] <yuvankumar> i mean, can i access my windows files using dolphin?
[11:05] <yuvankumar> cool!  just found out i can
[11:05] <amichair> yuvankumar: yes, I have some NTFS partitions and they show up in dolphin (and the rest of the system) as just another device
[11:32] <Kalidarn> hey does anyone know why gpg can decrypt mail in kmail but i can't encrypt or sign
[11:32] <Kalidarn> i tried a number of things including https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent
[11:34] <Kalidarn> including maing a gpg-aget.conf file
[11:34] <Kalidarn> agent
[12:38] <murali> please help. how to use windows boot loader as defualt boot loader instead of Grub. i am new to kubuntu.
[12:39] <elimental> windows doesnt have a bootloader
[12:39] <elimental> they dont share
[12:39] <elimental> thier boot loader only boots windose
[12:41] <murali> Thank you elimental.
[12:41] <murali> so there is no other chance. right?
[12:41] <murali> I have a single hard disk n i have installed xp n kubuntu in it
[12:41] <elimental> If you want to edit grub to default to windows that you can do
[12:42] <murali> now i have got an extra harddisk. But the problem is tht after connectin the new hard disk, my pc doesnt boot. plese help me
[12:43] <murali> I have a single hard disk n i have installed xp n kubuntu in it.  now i have got an extra harddisk. But the problem is tht after connectin the new hard disk, my pc doesnt boot. plese help me
[12:44] <moetunes> you need to select the other disk as the boot disk in the bios
[12:50] <LjL> uh, where are the kubuntu iso downloads? i want the metalink, but the download page only has torrents
[12:51] <Peace-> LjL: mm?
[12:51] <Pici> LjL: Metalink?
[12:51] <Peace-> just a moment
[12:51] <Peace-> LjL: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[12:52] <LjL> Pici: a metalink is something that includes information about servers (and torrents) from which to download something. it can be used by software such as "aria2" (which i recommend, always wondered why it wasn't being given in #ubuntu-release-party). http://metalinker.org - metalinks are always on releases.ubuntu.com
[12:54] <LjL> Peace-: because there is that "Donload now" button instead of a plain link, i can't find out where the file is actually located, and reach for the metalink in the directory (if there is one) :\
[12:56] <Pici> LjL: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.10/
[12:56] <LjL> Pici: thanks :)
[12:56] <Pici> LjL: np.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:24] <geekosopher> BluesKaj: hi
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hi geekosopher
[13:26] <geekosopher> good evening, that is if you are around India :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> nope , Canada here
[13:30] <Peace-> nope italy here
[13:30] <Peace-> xD
[13:30] <subhashish> good evening geekosopher
[13:30] <subhashish> good evening all
[13:30] <geekosopher> very good evening subhashish , hows diwali celebrations?
[13:31] <subhashish> um will buy crackers around tomorrow or day after
[13:31] <subhashish> how about u?
[13:31] <Peace-> !offtopic | subhashish
[13:32] <subhashish> yes
[13:32] <geekosopher> Peace-: sorry, he was just answering my question :)
[13:33] <subhashish> geekosopher, pm?
[13:33] <geekosopher> sure
[13:44] <azure_> HI , does anyone know how to fix the graphic performance on KDE 4.5 (kubuntu 10.10) for Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[13:45] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey guys. I wonder if it is possible to change the blue glow/shadow around windows to maybe a dark-grey or black color?
[13:45] <Peace-> ChrisBuchholz: i guess yea
[13:46] <Peace-> systemsettings
[13:46] <ChrisBuchholz> Peace-: yeah?
[13:46] <azure_> any ideas ?
[13:46] <Peace-> if it takes few i will give some tip ChrisBuchholz
[13:46] <ChrisBuchholz> Peace-: okay, i guess :P
[13:47] <Peace-> ChrisBuchholz: ok system settings
[13:47] <Peace-> desktop
[13:47] <Peace-> go in effetcs
[13:47] <ChrisBuchholz> yeah
[13:47] <Peace-> use the filter
[13:47] <Peace-> shadow
[13:47] <FloodBotK2> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:47] <ChrisBuchholz> ah okay, i see. Thank you, Peace- !
[13:47] <Peace-> click on th the icon of shadow's settings
[13:47] <Peace-> there is the colour option
[13:47] <ChrisBuchholz> Peace-: yeah, i found it. Thanks :)
[13:51] <azure_> anyone having problems with KDE 4.5.1 and intel graphics ?
[13:51] <Peace-> azure_: lucid?
[13:51] <azure_> 10.10
[13:51] <Peace-> azure_: ok like it said in the release note
[13:52] <Peace-> some intel cards are bad with 10.10
[13:52] <Peace-> the driver is bad
[13:52] <Peace-> it's not kde fault it's a kernel fault
[13:52] <azure_> Peace-: is there any workaround ?
[13:52] <Peace-> azure_: i guess not ,
[13:53] <Peace-> azure_: you can add ppa repository for kernel
[13:53] <Peace-> and try the new one
[13:53] <Peace-> but it's not a nice idea expecially if you are not expert
[13:53] <Peace-> i mean if doens't work you have to select the older kernel on grub menu
[13:53] <Peace-> and remove the new one ...
[13:53] <azure_> Peace-: that is ok
[13:53] <Peace-> if you are an expert user i can telle you how to do
[13:53] <azure_> Peace-: any idea for the PPA adress ?
[13:54] <Peace-> of course i have
[13:54]  * Peace- searchin on his blog
[13:54] <Peace-> wait
[13:54] <BluesKaj> azure_, which ati card?
[13:54] <azure_> BluesKaj:  it is not ATI
[13:54] <azure_> BluesKaj:  it is intel integrated BGA
[13:54] <azure_> *VGA
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ok srry..then you do have a problem, azure_
[13:55] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i got the same problems on 10.10 wiht intel :(
[13:55] <azure_> BluesKaj:  acording to the lspci is : Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[13:57] <BluesKaj> azure_, yes I believe you , intel has become a prob on 10.04 & 10.10  , some intel graphics cards are aproblem , especially mobiles
[13:58] <ping__luce>  hi. How can I check if this video capture card: kmc-8800 (http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture98/ankotech/product2.html) is supported by v4l2 and can be used on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[13:58] <ping__luce>  hi. How can I check if this video capture card: kmc-8800 (http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture98/ankotech/product2.html) is supported by v4l2 and can be used on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[13:58] <Peace-> azure_: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[13:59] <Peace-> azure_: but i mean i hope you know what you are doing
[13:59] <Peace-> because i can do because i know how to get back ...
[14:01] <rek> hi what should i put in etc resolv.conf ? i need to set up a client and a server
[14:04] <Peace-> rek: have you a router?
[14:04] <Peace-> i guess no but...
[14:04] <Peace-> xD
[14:04] <rek> yes my pc must be a router
[14:05] <moetunes> reolv.conf just gets the nameserver in it afaik
[14:05] <Peace-> rek: so you can set dns on the router
[14:05] <Peace-> rek: like i did
[14:06] <BluesKaj> rek , all you need there , nameserver , domain gateway and search gateway, which basic router/modem settings , for ssh or other means to connec to pcs on you lan
[14:07] <rek> sorry...
[14:07]  * BluesKaj 's KB is acting up again
[14:08] <rek> so, my server has that settings because the wifi works but my client still doesn't have a connection
[14:08] <rek> so what should i put in my etc resolv.conf of my client? exactly...
[14:09] <BluesKaj> rek, why do think you need to edit resolv.conf ?
[14:09] <rek> because i read it in a guide to do a point to point connection
[14:10] <rek> in my client i read nameserver 255.255.255.0 is this good ?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> rek, pls expalin what kind of connection you are trying to make ..I'm confused
[14:11] <rek> BluesKaj: my client is connected to my pc with an ethernet cable... i want the internet in my client
[14:11] <rek> the guide says to do : echo nameserver ip_dns_provider >> /etc/resolv.conf
[14:11] <BluesKaj> client ?
[14:12] <rek> yes i want my pc to be a router...
[14:12] <moetunes> it's internet connection sharing in other words
[14:13] <moetunes> !ics
[14:15] <BluesKaj> rek you should always explain what nyou are trying to do  before asking questions ..otherwise you're wasting everyone's time ...we don't read minds , but we can help if we know your situation
[14:15] <rek> i tried my best
[14:19] <rek> Unless your ICS gateway can also perform DNS, you must manually configure the client with your ISP DNS servers. If you do not know your ISP's DNS servers, you can use OpenDNS servers instead.      look
[14:22] <seawing> hello, I have followed the advice of <peace> and reinstalled KDE to solve the problems of very slow performance with a fresh 10.10 install.  after the KDE reinstall, I am still experiencing the same issues.  are there any other suggestions or is it time to burn another ISO and start over again?  Sorry if theis is a duplicate post, I can't tell if the first one posted.
[14:26] <moetunes> seawing:  are you using a nvidia graphics card?
[14:27] <seawing> I think so
[14:28] <BluesKaj> seawing, in the terminal , lspci | grep VGA
[14:28] <moetunes> seawing:  in konsole   lspci | grep -i vga   will tell
[14:28] <BluesKaj> tell us the output
[14:29] <schattentanz> .
[14:30] <seawing> OK, I will, things are going pretty slow, sorry for the delay
[14:32] <seawing> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[14:33] <seawing> so I guess--no
[14:35] <moetunes> seawing:  I remember something about that chip having issues - I think it needs a kernel boot option - one min
[14:39] <seawing> I'll be right back
[14:40] <moetunes> seawing:  this - http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2010-10/msg00047.html - gives a good explanation of your issue - it is the driver for the intel graphics at fault
[14:41] <moetunes> seawing:  seems the options you have are to get a newer kernel and hope the driver is improved or use the vesa driver
[14:46] <seawing> thank you for the advice.  Every thing was fine before I upgraded.
[14:46] <g_> hmm issues with intel graphics... using ferdora 13 i was able to use only vesa drivers with intel 4500
[14:47] <g_> with kubuntu, and ubuntu 10.10, no broblems
[14:47] <moetunes> it's only with certain intel chips
[14:48] <moetunes> my 945G works fine - the 945GM has issues
[14:58] <seawing> The thing is that if I turn off desktop effects, it sppeds things up a bit, but nothing like I had before
[14:59] <seawing> is the vesa driver in the repositories?
[15:06] <moetunes> seawing:  you already have it installed - it is the fallback driver
[15:12] <seawing> I see that now.  It doesn't seem like a good option.  What repository do I use to get a newer kernel?
[15:13] <moetunes> I think there is a ppa for it on launchpad or you could go to kernel.org
[15:19] <BluesKaj> seawing, it's the kernel source/ppa  that you need , not a newer kernel , you probly already have the newest kernel installed
[15:20] <seawing> Hmmm, what should i do then, Go back to an older version of Kubuntu or abandon it all together?
[15:21] <seawing> oh wait, what do you mean kernel sourse/ppa?
[15:22] <rek> BluesKaj: i followed the guide
[15:23] <rek> same problem....what can i type into resolv.conf of my client
[15:24] <BluesKaj> rek probly a nameserver like google dns , 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as your DNS servers
[15:57] <lg> hi! I'm using 10.04 with KDE 4.5 packages, with a laptop plus a larger external display. It's currently identifying the external display (VGA1) as display #1, and the laptop display (LVDS1) as display #2. Is there any way I can change this?
[15:58] <moetunes> !xrandr
[16:04] <lg> moetunes: thanks, I'll check that
[16:29] <espadan7> Hello Everyone, I have a question, I have been having this weird problem with VMware player, when the kernel has to recompile everytime I start VMware, this has only been happening on Kubuntu 10.10, Has anyone else had this problem and if so do you know a fix for it?
[16:30] <espadan7> Hello Everyone, I have a question, I have been having this weird problem with VMware player, when the kernel has to recompile everytime I start VMware, this has only been happening on Kubuntu 10.10, Has anyone else had this problem and if so do you know a fix for it?
[16:31] <moetunes> !repeat
[16:32] <espadan7> Hello Everyone, I have a question, I have been having this weird problem with VMware player, when the kernel has to recompile everytime I start VMware, this has only been happening on Kubuntu 10.10, Has anyone else had this problem and if so do you know a fix for it?
[16:39] <seawing> thanks for the help.  I'll keep looking.
[16:47] <allah> hi there
[17:02] <BlueRay> hello
[17:02] <BlueRay> is zhere also a german kubuntu chat?
[17:02] <BlueRay> *there
[17:02] <Pici> !de
[17:03] <BlueRay> thx!!
[17:06] <mausschubser> #kubuntu-de
[17:07] <mausschubser> de!
[17:09] <moetunes> it is /join #kubuntu-de
[17:10] <moetunes> I think there is only the #ubuntu-de channel tho
[17:11] <yofel> moetunes: there is #kubuntu-de
[17:12] <moetunes> oh
[17:12] <moetunes> I went off the bot link above
[17:12] <akR4> hi here :)
[17:54] <LogicallyDashing> I've entered my identi.ca credentials into the microblogging client. It's showing the tweets I've received, but I can't post anything. How do I post stuff? How about getting an OAuth token?
[18:13] <wilhart> i have 2 displays i want to disable display 2 from alt-tab
[18:13] <wilhart> where do i get that?
[18:14] <LogicallyDashing> My issue turned out to be a problem with identi.ca and not kde so never mind.
[18:21] <amorphous1> Hello folks, does anybody here uses Kmail?
[18:23] <Peace-> i used sometimes
[18:23] <Peace-> but now i use gmail so...
[18:23] <Peace-> chromium
[18:23] <Peace-> amorphous1: whatì's the problemas
[18:23] <Peace-> -.-
[18:23] <Peace-> problem
[18:24] <amorphous1> Peace-, I'm trying to set it up to use it with my canonical email
[18:24] <Peace-> wow :)
[18:24] <Peace-> amorphous1: andh?
[18:24] <Peace-> and?
[18:24] <amorphous1> Peace-, I can send but I can't receive...I was wondering if anybody uses it for work
[18:25] <Peace-> amorphous1: i can say it was working with my account ,
[18:25] <Peace-> are you sureyou have used the correct port
[18:25] <Peace-> and smtp pop3 stuff?
[18:25] <Peace-> !imagebin
[18:25] <amorphous1> I didn't set up the POP just the SMTP
[18:26] <Peace-> amorphous1: you have to set both :)
[18:26] <amorphous1> Peace-, do you have a canonical email?
[18:26] <Peace-> no
[18:26] <Peace-> but pop3 is to receive
[18:26] <amorphous1> Peace-, aha...because in Thinderbird I use just the SMTP and it works
[18:26] <Peace-> well it's automic i guess
[18:27] <Peace-> becasue canonical had done some stuff
[18:27] <Peace-> but in older world if you want set up your e mail
[18:27] <Peace-> you have to set pop and smtp
[18:27] <amorphous1> Peace-, ok then I'll give it a try. I love KDE by the way  :)
[18:28] <Peace-> to me kmail has always worked
[18:28] <amorphous1> thanks..I'll keep you posted once I try this
[18:28]  * Peace- continues to develop kdenlive script
[18:35] <bulldog98_> \join #kubuntu-de.org
[18:38] <amorphous1> Peace-, I just restarted the application and it seems to be working now..
[18:58] <sorbiq> hi all
[19:05] <lieuwe> hey, i've been trying to get pavucontrol to work for a while now, i can either change the volume or play sound, not both depending on in which order i start my programs, any ideas?
[19:33] <ab2new> I have bought a new machine which has a built in speaker as well
[19:33] <ab2new> when i installed ubuntu with gnome it was working perfect and i can change the device settings from analogue-output or analogue-headphone for my speaker or headphone
[19:33] <ab2new> but after kde plasma desktop installation I am unable to change device
[19:34] <ab2new> can some one help me in that issue ?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> ab2new, check alsamixer in the terminal, thr ctrls may be tunrd down or muted
[19:39] <BluesKaj> err turned down
[19:44] <shiri> @searchh Towers of Midnight
[19:45] <shiri> @search Towers of Midnight
[19:45] <ab2new> BluesKaj: I can hear sound through headphones but not through builtin speakers in gnome ubuntu i was provided a utility to switch between these two
[19:59] <aussa> hi
[20:00] <aussa> anybody?
[20:14] <gr0gmint> hi
[20:16] <Ksm_> salut tout le monde
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Ksm_, salut , francais a #kubuntu-fr
[20:19] <ghery63> list!
[20:20] <BluesKaj> !list | ghery63
[20:24] <lieuwe> is it possible to configure a screen edge to show KRunner? it's not in the windows behaviour options where you can set desktop grid and such,
[20:30] <lieuwe> halp?
[21:33] <Dalgiss> h
[21:48] <Walzmyn> (running 10.04) I'm having trouble getting rekonq to load in pandora.com - I am using the new square preview of flash with Firefox, but I don't know if rekonq uses that or it's own install of flash.
[21:56] <styx_> Which package does kubuntu use for bluetooth?
[22:01] <hellslinger> does anyone else here really find the kde network manager applet, problematic, for wireless?
[22:01] <hellslinger> (to say the least)
[22:02] <hellslinger> Trying to connect to a hidden wireless network is impossible
[22:13] <HelpNeed> hi
[22:15] <HelpNeed> Is there anyone here?
[22:15] <hellslinger> I'm here...
[22:15] <HelpNeed> Can you help me? :p
[22:15] <hellslinger> what's the problem?
[22:15] <HelpNeed> Well
[22:15] <HelpNeed> I'm trying to install kubuntu
[22:15] <HelpNeed> Off USB
[22:15] <hellslinger> cool
[22:16] <HelpNeed> And i get this unknown keyword in configuration file error
[22:16] <HelpNeed> When i try to boot
[22:16] <hellslinger> at what point do you get this error?
[22:16] <HelpNeed> When i try to boot up
[22:17] <HelpNeed> It basicly tried to initiate install, but cant?
[22:17] <hellslinger> give me one minute, I'll be right back
[22:17] <HelpNeed> Impact: Users attempting to burn a Maverick (Ubuntu 10.10) or newer Ubuntu version that uses an updated version of syslinux is successful, however it fails to boot.
[22:17] <HelpNeed> It's similar to that
[22:18] <HelpNeed> I tried modifying the syslinux.cfg file
[22:18] <HelpNeed> Didn't help
[22:21] <usuario> hi people
[22:21] <HelpNeed> Ello
[22:21] <hellslinger> sorry about that
[22:21] <Bloom> hpw can i add more servers?
[22:21] <hellslinger> HelpNeed: so do you ever get to the blue kubuntu boot screen?
[22:22] <HelpNeed> Nope
[22:22] <hellslinger> are you certain that it is even trying to boot off your USB drive?
[22:22] <HelpNeed> Yes
[22:22] <HelpNeed> It asks me where i want to boot from
[22:22] <HelpNeed> And i choose USB
[22:22] <Bloom> eoo
[22:23] <hellslinger> is this a bios menu that asks you?
[22:23] <HelpNeed> Yeah i suppose
[22:23] <hellslinger> what is the error message exactly?
[22:23] <Bloom> is anybody there?
[22:23] <HelpNeed> 'Unknown keyword in configuration file: ui'
[22:24] <Bloom> rek
[22:24] <Bloom> hi
[22:24] <Bloom> do u know how to add more servers to irc?
[22:24] <hellslinger> HelpNeed: did you use the startup disk creator to create the boot image?
[22:24] <HelpNeed> Uhmm :P what's that?
[22:24] <hellslinger> ahh...
[22:24] <Bloom> eeii
[22:24] <HelpNeed> i used flashboot to create the boot USB
[22:24] <Bloom> helpneed
[22:25] <HelpNeed> FlashBoot
[22:25] <Bloom> can u tell me ur IP¿?
[22:25] <HelpNeed> Why do you need that?
[22:25] <Bloom> because i want it please
[22:25] <Bloom> hahah
[22:25] <Bloom> bye!
[22:25] <HelpNeed> Bye byeõ
[22:27] <hellslinger> HelpNeed: I have never used flashboot before
[22:27] <hellslinger> but I'd be willing to bet it isn't creating the USB boot correctly
[22:27] <hellslinger> did you create your boot drive in windows?
[22:27] <HelpNeed> Yes
[22:27] <hellslinger> ok
[22:27] <hellslinger> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/Universal-USB-Installer/Universal-USB-Installer.exe
[22:27] <hellslinger> this is what ubuntu is recommneding to use to create your ISO
[22:28] <hellslinger> from windows
[22:28] <HelpNeed> Can't open that..
[22:28] <HelpNeed> Nvm got it
[22:28] <hellslinger> oh wow, I can't either!
[22:28] <HelpNeed> it was updates
[22:29] <HelpNeed> updated*
[22:29] <hellslinger> this is where I got that
[22:29] <hellslinger> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[22:29] <hellslinger> I believe this will work just fine with the kubuntu ISO as well as the ubuntu ISO
[22:29] <hellslinger> I've had no trouble with either one
[22:30] <HelpNeed> Great, i'll try it
[22:30] <hellslinger> if you still get a boot error after this, I would download a different ISO or redownload the one you have
[22:31] <HelpNeed> Yeah, it's my 3rd download on a massive 100 kb/s dl speed T_T
[22:31] <hellslinger> md5 integrity check might help determine if you have a bad download
[22:31] <hellslinger> heh
[22:32] <HelpNeed> First time playing with linux, is it hard?
[22:32] <hellslinger> depends what you want to do with it
[22:32] <hellslinger> casual usage is very easy
[22:32] <HelpNeed> Not much, it's for my dad really, i guess just browsing the web, got to install some wireless drivers i guess?
[22:33] <hellslinger> you probably wont' even have to do that
[22:33] <hellslinger> ubuntu has that stuff already ;)
[22:33] <HelpNeed> Sweet! That's great
[22:33] <hellslinger> yeah if it is for web/music/camera/chat
[22:33] <wilhart> i have 2 displays i want to disable display 2 from alt-tab
[22:33] <hellslinger> he'll probably love it
[22:33] <hellslinger> and never get virus
[22:33] <HelpNeed> :D :)
[22:34] <hellslinger> I've used linux for many years, and I'm installing kubuntu-netbook on my Dad's netbook as a win 7 starter replacement
[22:34] <hellslinger> so far it is going well
[22:34] <hellslinger> the wireless worked right away, the camera works too! (big pleasant surprise there)
[22:34] <HelpNeed> What's the main difference between kubuntu vs win 7?
[22:35] <hellslinger> that's a hard one to answer
[22:35] <HelpNeed> Do you really need to use commands sometimes?
[22:35] <hellslinger> it's completely different, like as different as a mac, however there are features that are familiar to Windows users
[22:35] <KukuNut> HelpNeed: it's free as in free beer
[22:36] <HelpNeed> Not all linuxes are free though?
[22:36] <hellslinger> kubuntu with KDE desktop is going to have a start menu like the one in Vista and 7 where you can search and run commands
[22:36] <KukuNut> HelpNeed: are you asking about Kubuntu right?
[22:36] <HelpNeed> You never really run commands in windows
[22:36] <HelpNeed> Yes.
[22:36] <KukuNut> there you go
[22:36] <HelpNeed> That is free (Y). Trying to find some free beer however :PO
[22:37] <hellslinger> you can run both in windows from teh start menu in Vista and 7
[22:37] <hellslinger> CLI or search terms
[22:37] <HelpNeed> AWWWW
[22:37] <HelpNeed> SWEET!
[22:37] <hellslinger> same with Kubuntu
[22:37] <HelpNeed> It works :D:D
[22:37] <HelpNeed> Woo
[22:37] <FloodBotK2> HelpNeed: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:37] <HelpNeed> Well
[22:38] <HelpNeed> I got the blue screen anyways
[22:38] <hellslinger> it'll work...
[22:38] <hellslinger> what kind of PC are you running it on?
[22:38] <HelpNeed> Uhh some oldish Asus EEE
[22:38] <HelpNeed> First gen i think
[22:39] <HelpNeed> It totally went haywire
[22:39] <hellslinger> are you trying netbook or desktop?
[22:39] <HelpNeed> netbook
[22:39] <HelpNeed> Then i should have gotten uhh Xandros?
[22:39] <hellslinger> no
[22:40] <hellslinger> kubuntu-netbook might be perfect
[22:40] <hellslinger> it's all a matter of preference
[22:40] <hellslinger> I use KDE on my desktop, but the Ubuntu unity interface for ubuntu-netbook (not kubuntu) I think is wonderful
[22:41] <HelpNeed> What differs in ubuntu and kubuntu?
[22:42] <HelpNeed> ubuntu doesn't have the windows like layout?
[22:42] <hellslinger> ubuntu regular uses Gnome
[22:42] <hellslinger> kubuntu uses KDE
[22:42] <hellslinger> now
[22:42] <hellslinger> there is netbook varieties of each
[22:42] <hellslinger> which use different netbook interfaces based upon the respective desktop environments
[22:43] <hellslinger> so kubuntu netbook uses a netbook (lightweight, simplified) version of kde
[22:43] <hellslinger> and same is true with ubuntu netbook
[22:43] <hellslinger> ubuntu netbook's interface is called unity
[22:44] <hellslinger> the wireless network tool for KDE is a lot worse than the one for Gnome, IMO
[22:44] <hellslinger> they're both great netbook interfaces though
[22:44] <hellslinger> try them both if you have the time
[22:44] <wilhart> i have 2 displays i want to disable display 2 from alt-tab
[22:47] <HelpNeed> Do you ever need to use windows?
[22:48] <hellslinger> that depends really
[22:49] <hellslinger> if you just need a web browser, probably not
[22:49] <HelpNeed> Yeah, but for office?
[22:49] <hellslinger> some people complain of incompatibilities between word documents and openoffice
[22:49] <hellslinger> but I've never encountered that
[22:49] <hellslinger> I'm a huge nerd though, so small obstacles like that don't sway me hehe
[22:50] <HelpNeed> You can run a windows version in a separate window inside ubuntu, right?
[22:50] <hellslinger> yes
[22:50] <HelpNeed> :D:D
[22:50] <hellslinger> I wouldn't recommend that on a netbook though
[22:50] <hellslinger> not enough horsepower
[22:50] <hellslinger> it can be done... it would be really slow though
[22:50] <HelpNeed> Well yeah, but if i'd install it on my own laptop, i think it would be able to take it
[22:51] <hellslinger> yeah, I've got VirtualBox running windows XP for my quicken software
[22:51] <HelpNeed> Don't know if i'm ready to leave the comfort of Windows yet :P
[22:51] <hellslinger> some linux people get all that stuff working through Wine, but that is more trouble than it is worth
[22:51] <hellslinger> in my opinion, of course
[22:51] <hellslinger> you'll find a lot of very strong opinions amongst linux users, so beware!
[22:52] <HelpNeed> Yeah, most people lured into it's web do promote it. Doesn't really happen to windows :D
[22:52] <HelpNeed> its*
[22:52] <hellslinger> until recently, you had to be somewhat of a fanatic to even give linux a try
[22:53] <hellslinger> ubuntu has done an absolutely tremendous job in making it more accessible to average users
[22:53] <HelpNeed> Was it like the early Sun computers? where just to open notepad you had to type a command line?
[22:53] <hellslinger> linux has never been so easy...
[22:53] <HelpNeed> And to save you had to do the same?
[22:53] <hellslinger> that's probably true for all unixes
[22:54] <hellslinger> Sun included
[22:54] <hellslinger> yeah, even after things like CDE and Motif came out... most things were still done through command line
[22:54] <HelpNeed> It is faster if u know what you're doing
[22:54] <hellslinger> I still use vi/vim for text editing, which is archaic compared to modern editors
[22:55] <hellslinger> yeah, totally
[22:55] <hellslinger> I just got so used to it that there's no reason to quit using it
[22:56] <HelpNeed> How did you start using linux systems then?
[22:56] <hellslinger> I got a job when I was a teenager as a sysadmin for unix and windows systems
[22:57] <wilhart> i have 2 displays i want to disable display 2 from alt-tab
[22:57] <wilhart> just to alt-tab display 1
[23:00] <HelpNeed> Hehe here goes the first restart, hopefully many to come :)
[23:02] <hellslinger> best of luck
[23:02] <HelpNeed> Thanks, you we're great help, thanks for listening and talking me through it. +rep if i could give it :D
[23:03] <HelpNeed> were*
[23:03] <hellslinger> haha no problem
[23:15] <HelpNeed> Can't find any wireless connections :/ Might be back tomorrow with new demands :D Calling it a night for today though. Big thanks to hellslinger :)
[23:28] <Kalidarn> I noticed when I installed Kubuntu 10.10 that gpg-gent is not running
[23:28] <Kalidarn> what's the recommended way of starting this now so that kmail can do gpg signing
[23:34] <wilhart> i have 2 displays i want to disable display 2 from alt-tab
[23:34] <wilhart> just to alt-tab display 1
[23:36] <rork> wilhart: display as in monitor or as in desktop?
[23:40] <rork> wilhart: gtg, I think System Settings > Window Behaviour > Navigate Through Windows > Main tab > List Windows drop down menu > Set to Current Desktop is what you need
[23:42] <wilhart> rork ... ok i'm gonna try that
[23:44] <wilhart> rork there?