=== almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:37] good morning [08:22] good morning [08:27] hey chrisccoulson! [08:27] how was your flight back? [08:27] hi didrocks, how are you? [08:28] my flight was ok, but i have ubuflu now [08:28] totally rested and very fine, thanks! :) [08:28] urgh [08:28] chrisccoulson: ha, ubuflu. Who's the culprit this time? ;) [08:28] not sure, i suppose i could have got it on the flight [08:29] i felt rotten yesterday and even worse today [08:30] * nigelb hugs chrisccoulson [08:30] * chrisccoulson hugs nigelb [08:30] nigelb: take care, you can catch a cold like this :) [08:30] lol [08:31] didrocks: heh, virtual hugs are virtually safe. [08:31] i guess i should start filling out my work items [08:31] at least that won't be too difficult today :) [08:31] nigelb: you never know :) [08:31] chrisccoulson: yeah! [08:31] didrocks: haha, hence the 'virtually' ;) [08:31] ;) [08:53] morning [08:54] hey rodrigo_ :) [08:54] hi didrocks, how are you? [08:54] rodrigo_: I'm fine, thanks! and you? [08:55] almost a person now, after day of rest :) [08:56] hehe :) [09:21] chrisccoulson, I'm convinced the airlines do not sanitize seats or tray tables between flights, and we pick up the sickie germs of whomever was in the seat before us [09:22] 300+ geeks in one room and you say no chance of diseases? [09:37] nigelb, did I say that? [09:42] hey [09:43] hey [09:43] hey seb128! Had a nice flight back home? [09:43] hello bryceh :) [09:43] hi didrocks [09:43] hello bryceh didrocks [09:43] didrocks, yes, and you? [09:44] bryceh: well, implied :D [09:44] seb128: I had to run at jfk, Paris and Lyon, but free sport isn't bad :) [09:44] lol [09:44] hehehe [09:44] didrocks: I almost read that as you 'had a run at jfo' :p [09:45] I didn't have to run this time [09:45] learnt from that trip: [09:45] - 50 minutes in jfk to change terminal and have to go through the security again is definitively doable [09:46] - 7 minutes to run between terminal 2E and the SNCF train station can also be done :) [09:46] lol [09:46] each time, I arrived between 2 to 5 minutes before closing boarding :) [09:46] lucky for you that the airports were small ones [09:47] its like your travel agency wants to make sure you're keeping fit [09:47] and can manage stress :p [09:47] one hour for connections don't work in some airports [09:47] seb128: jfk is not that small. I just had to force the luck :) [09:47] :-) [09:48] well, it was initially planned 3hours in jfk and 1h30 half in Paris :) [09:48] s/half// [09:48] I see [09:49] didrocks, didn't mterry work on the glib update btw? [09:49] I saw robert_ancell did the update [09:49] seb128: I've pushed one to the ppa IIRC [09:49] let me check [09:49] the gtk was still on my computer as the netbook can't build it [09:50] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds <- the glib is in the ppa [09:50] right, the new gtk is not in maverick [09:50] didrocks, ok, it should have been uploaded to natty [09:50] robert_ancell did the work again so now it can just be dropped I guess [09:50] seb128: I was thinking we were still focussing on the ppa for the new version [09:51] gtk3 yes [09:51] natty has glib 2.27.1 [09:51] or had, it has 2.27.2 now [09:51] ok [09:51] I'll build and push gtk3 in the ppa later today [09:52] ok thanks [09:52] (I think it still needs some .symbol file love) [09:52] yw [09:52] we need to find a way to make sure we don't dup work [09:52] especially with new team members [09:52] in new timezones [09:52] well, having a glib branch? [09:52] well I'm not sure why those changes didn't land to the vcs [09:52] there is one for gtk3, but didn't find a separate one for glib [09:52] because glib is trunk [09:52] as I was expecting a separate one for the ppa, didn't think it was in natty [09:53] ok, so misunderstanding [09:53] hence the fact I didn't push (and that mterry just sent me a debdiff) [09:53] no worry [09:53] so, should be good then :) [09:53] well mterry is not in the team [09:53] I will add it this week though [09:53] he can't push atm [09:54] yeah, sounds good. but most of the time he proposed a branch even when he can't merge, seemed that he was thinking as I, that it would be a separate branchc [09:54] branch* [09:58] hey seb128 [09:58] hey rodrigo_ [09:59] seb128, so, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds is the PPA for gnome 3 stuff then? [09:59] only the stack [09:59] we didn't start on applications yet and I don't think we should [10:00] we probably want to wait a bit for gtk3 abi to stabilize [10:00] it's not worth the extra work to play catching up with all breakages this early [10:01] seb128, right, you told me at uds, so I see glib and gtk/gnome-desktop are there already, so what's missing? [10:01] libcanberra [10:01] seb128, ok, and are you working on it? [10:01] gsettings-desktop-schemas [10:01] right [10:01] rodrigo_, no, feel free to work on those if you want [10:01] ok, cool [10:02] there is probably some other libs that will be needed later [10:02] like webkit [10:02] yes, I'll check that [10:02] but those are the ones often required and still missing === Bertrand is now known as bl8 [10:03] seb128, and are the packages in that PPA in some branch? [10:03] yes, check the control vcs lines [10:04] ok [10:05] rodrigo_, just pick a random vcs url until they land in the archive [10:05] we can't use the new source name until it's uploaded [10:05] so I used gtk/ubuntugtk3 [10:05] rather than gtk3/ubuntu [10:06] I will move it to the right vcs when it's uploaded [10:06] seb128, ok [10:07] rodrigo_, you can do the same for canberra, libcanbera/ubuntugtk3 [10:07] or similar [10:07] hmm, but you mean creating a branch lp:libcanberra/ubuntugtk3, or just use that in the vcs line to fake it? [10:09] no, use ~rodrigo/libcanberra/ubuntugtk3 [10:09] or similar [10:09] ok [10:09] until it's uploaded [10:10] then we can switch to the normal lp:libcanberra3/ubuntu [10:10] but lp:libcanberra3 will be created only when the source is uploaded [10:10] right [10:17] didrocks, 2.27.1.real? [10:17] did I screw the 2.27.1 upload or...? [10:17] seb128: yeah, I screwed the first upload, sorry [10:18] seb128: for glib, you mean? [10:18] seb128: or gtk? (it's in fact 2.27.2 which wasn't changed by mterry) [10:18] seb128: I'm currently building it [10:18] no glib, I was wondering why we had a .real [10:19] so it will be 2.27.2-0ubuntu1~build1 [10:19] right, I guess we can just upload robert_ancell's version now [10:19] for glib [10:19] ok, waiting for your gtk update [10:20] should be there soon. I'm expecting a FTBFS + change the .symbol file + rebuild and then upload [10:20] ok [10:22] brb [10:37] morning [10:40] hey huats! [10:40] hey didrocks ! [10:45] hey mterry [10:46] seb128, yo [10:46] mister seb128 hello ! [10:46] mterry, did you IRC during your sleep now? ;-) [10:46] lut huats [10:47] mterry, it's like a bit before 7am for you or am I doing the maths wrong? [10:47] seb128, :) I'm just up early to head into the office. (few things can drag me in, but free lunch pizza is one of them!) [10:47] lol [10:47] seb128, you're right on the math [10:48] ok [10:50] seems some people didn't eat enough during UDS :) [10:50] hey mterry [11:10] didrocks, hi :) [11:34] nessita, hey [11:38] hello seb128! how are you? [11:39] nessita, I'm great, how are you? [11:39] pretty good! :-) [11:40] did you have a nice flight back? [11:41] seb128: yes, pretty good. A few babies cried like they were being killed, but other than that, good [11:48] seb128: how about you? [11:59] nessita, I had a nice fly and slept well on sunday [12:00] I'm back to normal timezone now [12:00] seb128: very good. That's important [12:00] there was just an issue with the audio system in the plane though [12:01] one of the speakers for the announces start doing loid noises [12:01] they had to reset the audio system [12:01] it has taken a while [12:01] they had to call the land guys to know what to do [12:05] hi nessita [12:06] btw, in the 2 transatlantic flights I've been thise last week, the video system was linux-based [12:06] hi rodrigo_! [12:09] rodrigo_, how did you figure that was the case? [12:10] the one we had was winCE based [12:10] (one of the screen was on a scrash screen) [12:10] seb128, some were rebooting, and I could clearly see the kernel starting messages [12:10] and a Penguin logo on the terminal :) [12:10] a tux [12:11] nice [12:11] seb128, what airline was that? [12:11] lufthansa [12:12] ok, so we should fly on Continental airlines and Aer Lingus (the 2 I flew with) :) [12:13] ;-) [12:13] hey asac [12:13] only "problem" was their chess game, it didn't use gnuchess, so it was somewhat easy to beatit : ) [12:18] mterry, wb [12:18] mterry, I just added you to ubuntu-desktop on launchpad, enjoy [12:18] seb128, :) w00t, I'm in ur team, haxing ur PPA [12:18] mterry, ;-) [12:19] you better be nice, I can revoke team subscriptions ;-) [12:19] * TheMuso waves from Boston. [12:20] * mterry waves back at TheMuso from Boston :) [12:20] seb128, hi [12:20] hey ricotz [12:21] seb128, is there a timeline for gtk+3.0 to be included in the ubuntu repo? [12:21] ricotz, it's in a ppa [12:21] but this week in natty [12:21] mterry: :) [12:21] ricotz, why? [12:22] didrocks, did my gtk3/glib patches end up working? [12:22] * mterry checks the PPA [12:22] mterry: not sure about "working", uploaded to the ppa in any case, yeah :) [12:22] seb128, ok, i am just curious since i added it to my ppa which I could drop when it there by default [12:22] didrocks, I guess, "applying". I remember there was some oddity and we thought maybe the wrong source had been unpacked [12:23] didrocks, hi, there is gtk3 2.91.3 ;) [12:23] mterry: yeah, I finished that. I was waiting this morning to build it on a laptop rather than a netbook [12:23] ricotz: I know :) just prefered to finish current work first [12:24] didrocks, ok [12:24] mterry: amd64 seems still failing: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58520011/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.gtk%2B3.0_2.91.2-0ubuntu1~build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [12:25] didrocks, you can look at ricotz/staging [12:25] seb128, bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~rodrigo-moya/gsettings-desktop-schemas/ubuntugtk3": No such project: gsettings-desktop-schemas [12:25] seb128, where can I push it? [12:25] ricotz: ok, thanks :) I think other people will look at gtk3 before I get some time for it though :) [12:26] didrocks, hrm, those are new to .2. I'm assuming that check isn't made on local machines? i.e. it's unique to buildds? Because I didn't get that on my amd64 [12:26] rodrigo_, you can use +junk [12:26] ok [12:26] lp:~rodrigo-moya/+junk/gsettings-desktop-schemas [12:26] mterry: I don't know, I didn't have a build log there and I didn't get the issue on i386 [12:27] rodrigo_, hi, are you working on gnome-themes-standard also? [12:27] didrocks, the gtk3 devs are so bad about porting their own tests to this-week's-new-API . Don't know why they expect others to keep up when they can't... [12:27] mterry: seb128 is the most knowledgeable on gtk :) [12:27] ricotz, no, gsettings-desktop-schemas, and after that, libcanberra3 [12:27] rodrigo_, can you have a look at ppa:ricotz/staging [12:27] ricotz, yes [12:28] rodrigo_, thanks [12:28] good morning! [12:28] ricotz, ah, cool, already packaged there [12:28] rodrigo_: Afaik libcanberra should only require a rebuild once GTK3 is in the archive. [12:28] Ah sorry no, it needs more than that, but the changes are trivial. [12:29] TheMuso, hmm, I think it requires gtk3 [12:29] we need 2 builds [12:29] rodrigo_: Yes, thats why I corrected myself. [12:29] we need a version of the lib for each gtk [12:29] yes, it does, so a rebuild for gtk3 is needed [12:29] not only a rebuild [12:29] the build system need to be changed [12:29] to ship 2 binaries [12:29] one for each gtk [12:29] or we need 2 sources [12:29] yeah, right [12:29] We should be able to do it from the one source. [12:30] didrocks, mterry: the buildds fail on implicit conversions warnings [12:30] seb128, no, just a few more binary packages [12:30] u/c [12:30] didrocks, mterry: those usually turn to be crashers on 64bit archs [12:30] so the buildds block those and make the build fail [12:30] seb128, it can be build against gtk2 and gtk3 at the same time [12:30] seb128, right, likely because they dropped some API that the tests used and didn't port them -- I got the same issue with gtk3 2.91.1 [12:30] welcome to gtk world [12:30] that's why I said we should wait before using it for applications [12:30] seb128: it's not triggered by -Wall? why mterry didn't get it locally? [12:31] it's changing every day right now [12:31] we don't want to play catch up on the application stack yet [12:31] seb128, what changes? [12:31] Sir_Konrad, ? [12:31] gtk3 [12:31] ah. [12:31] seb128, sorry, new here. Doing some work for 11.04. [12:31] didrocks, well, it probably warned about it, just didn't do a failure at the end due to it. It's not building with -Werror [12:31] ricotz, do you have those packages in that PPA in branches? [12:32] rodrigo_, no, sorry [12:32] but it might save you some time [12:32] i will be back later [12:33] Anyone seen mvo around here lately? [12:33] didrocks: that was superfast with bug 659244! :) [12:33] Launchpad bug 659244 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Tracks synced to iphone won't play (affects: 21) (dups: 3) (heat: 128)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659244 [12:33] mterry: not does the buildds [12:34] seb128, well, I can fix the amd64 failure, but I might as well also update to .3 while I'm there (which will likely fix those specific errors anyway). Is anyone else working on .3? [12:34] /s/not/nor [12:34] geekosopher: hehe :) [12:34] mterry, I think didrocks is [12:34] didrocks, no, but I think the buildd's do a special check at the end for implicit-pointer warnings [12:34] geekosopher: I don't have any ipod/iphone to test, I just ensured that rhythmbox is still working [12:34] bilalakhtar, he has been travelling back from UDS and yesterday was an holiday [12:34] did(rocks) :) [12:34] seb128: I'm not, if mterry wants to work on it, welcome :) [12:34] bilalakhtar, he has a vac day today as well [12:34] seb128: Can you sponsor the debdiff on bug #636329 ? [12:34] Launchpad bug 636329 in gimp (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Gimp: Print preview and printout are blank pages (affects: 31) (dups: 2) (heat: 166)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636329 [12:34] please :D [12:34] mterry: oh something in dpkg-binarymangler? [12:34] bilalakhtar, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors [12:35] didrocks, no, soyuz [12:35] seb128: yes I did [12:35] bilalakhtar, ok just wait then [12:35] didrocks, OK, I'll work on .3. Yeah, I think so. Because the failure is after the "Finished at 20101102-1222" build message [12:35] Thanks thanks! [12:35] bilalakhtar, people have been travelling back from UDS and are jetlaged and need to catch up today [12:35] didrocks, mterry: it's a soyuz thing [12:35] seb128: oh really? it's parsing the log ouptut at the end? Ok, learnt something new today :) [12:35] not a dpkg one [12:35] same with official buildds? [12:35] didrocks, yes [12:35] yes [12:36] okay, yesterday was a holiday for all the Canonical employees! [12:36] seb128: thanks for the explanation :) [12:36] didrocks, mterry: the buildds fail on implicit conversions warnings [12:36] didrocks, mterry: those usually turn to be crashers on 64bit archs [12:36] so the buildds block those and make the build fail [12:36] I was thinking we had to explicitely use -Wall -Werror for that, nice it's not needed! [12:36] ahah, hi guys [12:36] I slept 15 hours [12:36] bilalakhtar, no it was not but it's a national holiday in several european countries [12:36] :D [12:36] incredible [12:37] hey Cimi [12:37] okay [12:37] hi seb! [12:37] ciao didier! [12:37] didrocks, it's very different, the buildd failure is specific to implicit conversions [12:37] it will not fail on random warnings ;-) [12:38] ok, just cherry picked implicit conversion, got it :) [12:38] hello Cimi! [12:38] debian does the same btw [12:38] didrocks, it's not new, it's doing that for some years [12:39] weird that never ran into that before ;-) [12:39] seb128: apparently I was lucky :) [12:39] yeah [12:39] seb128: is there others soyuz trick I should know? [12:39] mterry, btw no pressure but your gtk upload will land in natty [12:40] didrocks, I don't think so [12:40] seb128, :) [12:40] seb128: ok :) [12:40] mterry, I think we are ready for upload there [12:40] yar, OK. I will make sure amd64 is all set [12:41] we can still do a ppa upload first to be sure if you want [12:41] didrocks, btw the build log end explain the build failure [12:41] it has a wiki page pointer as well [12:43] seb128: the issue wasn't that I don't know about ImplicitPointer conversion. I saw that in my build sometimes (but I always had -Werror -Wall). My concern was "why we get that in the buildd and not locally" :) [12:44] didrocks, that's explained there as well [12:44] ;-) [12:44] in the debian wiki pointed [12:44] anyway all sorted now [12:44] you will know for the next time ;-) [12:45] didrocks, thanks for the quick rb backport btw [12:45] hey lamalex [12:45] good morning seb128 [12:45] seb128: yw :) [12:45] seb128: right, I know for next time, thanks! :) [12:45] hey lamalex [12:45] hey didrocks [12:46] hi seb128! get back ok? [12:46] seb128, for natty, will we be shipping the gnome-control-center from gtk 3, or the older version- I noticed a lot has changed but I haven't been able to get jhbuild to finish running to test it [12:55] * bilalakhtar makes an attempt to upgrade Empathy [12:56] chrisccoulson, hey, yes, you? [12:56] lamalex, it's not decided yet [12:56] seb128 - yeah, but i ended up with ubuflu [12:56] ubuflu? [12:56] Ubuntu flu! [12:56] lamalex, we will start by updating the platform and deal with softwares are they get ready [12:57] chrisccoulson, :-( [12:57] seb128, ok sounds good [12:59] Good morning [12:59] hey seb128, how are you? [12:59] * pitti waves to chrisccoulson [12:59] hey pitti [12:59] bonjour didrocks [12:59] hi pitti, how are you? [13:00] hey pitti [13:00] pretty well, thanks [13:00] pitti, I'm fine, how are you? [13:00] * pitti is on a CD space rampage [13:00] how was your flight? [13:00] Is GTK 3 in natty already? [13:00] bilalakhtar, no, should be by the end of the week [13:00] hmm [13:00] it's in a ppa [13:00] seb128: rather short, 4.5 h in total with an hour break in Charlotte [13:00] pitti, you were on time for your plane I guess? [13:00] * pitti now is looking for someone to review scour in NEW [13:00] so I will wait for a week before upgrading Empathy in Ubuntu [13:01] pitti, I can do [13:01] seb128: in time to watch two more House episodes :) [13:01] seb128: security was < 5 min [13:01] bilalakhtar, we don't want to take GNOME 2.91 updates yet [13:01] seb128: was it really so bad for you? [13:01] seb128: hmm? why? [13:01] pitti, no, it was one of the shortest security check we had [13:01] seb128: that'd be awesome; then I could go on with the SVG compression [13:01] seb128: I'm going to file a MIR for it, perhaps you can put it straight to main? [13:01] not sure why people told us to be hours in advances [13:02] (should be fine for main, it's small and harmless) [13:02] pitti, ok [13:02] seb128: how's your jetlag? [13:02] pitti, seb128: it took at least 50 minutes for dbarth and I just for the security in the morning [13:02] bilalakhtar, because gtk3 is not stable yet and we don't want to play catching up with abi breakages in the archive [13:02] seb128: so when will you begin accepting them? [13:03] dunno yet, end of year [13:03] we plan to land the stack first [13:03] then finish cleaning things to be ready for it [13:03] build some softwares in a ppa [13:03] hmm [13:03] clean the merges list [13:03] thanks for telling me about this [13:03] I am working on merges! [13:04] great [13:04] pitti, should I send a meeting remindeR? [13:05] seb128: oh, if you could, thanks [13:05] pitti, ok, doing that [13:06] Are people running natty yet? [13:07] mterry: o/ [13:07]