[07:37] <didrocks> good morning
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> good morning
[08:27] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[08:27] <didrocks> how was your flight back?
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> my flight was ok, but i have ubuflu now
[08:28] <didrocks> totally rested and very fine, thanks! :)
[08:28] <didrocks> urgh
[08:28] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: ha, ubuflu.  Who's the culprit this time? ;)
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> not sure, i suppose i could have got it on the flight
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> i felt rotten yesterday and even worse today
[08:30]  * nigelb hugs chrisccoulson
[08:30]  * chrisccoulson hugs nigelb
[08:30] <didrocks> nigelb: take care, you can catch a cold like this :)
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> lol
[08:31] <nigelb> didrocks: heh, virtual hugs are virtually safe.
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> i guess i should start filling out my work items
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> at least that won't be too difficult today :)
[08:31] <didrocks> nigelb: you never know :)
[08:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah!
[08:31] <nigelb> didrocks: haha, hence the 'virtually' ;)
[08:31] <didrocks> ;)
[08:53] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:54] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_ :)
[08:54] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:54] <didrocks> rodrigo_: I'm fine, thanks! and you?
[08:55] <rodrigo_> almost a person now, after  day of rest :)
[08:56] <didrocks> hehe :)
[09:21] <bryceh> chrisccoulson, I'm convinced the airlines do not sanitize seats or tray tables between flights, and we pick up the sickie germs of whomever was in the seat before us
[09:22] <nigelb> 300+ geeks in one room and you say no chance of diseases?
[09:37] <bryceh> nigelb, did I say that?
[09:42] <seb128> hey
[09:43] <bryceh> hey
[09:43] <didrocks> hey seb128! Had a nice flight back home?
[09:43] <didrocks> hello bryceh :)
[09:43] <bryceh> hi didrocks
[09:43] <seb128> hello bryceh didrocks
[09:43] <seb128> didrocks, yes, and you?
[09:44] <nigelb> bryceh: well, implied :D
[09:44] <didrocks> seb128: I had to run at jfk, Paris and Lyon, but free sport isn't bad :)
[09:44] <nigelb> lol
[09:44] <seb128> hehehe
[09:44] <nigelb> didrocks: I almost read that as you 'had a run at jfo' :p
[09:45] <seb128> I didn't have to run this time
[09:45] <didrocks> learnt from that trip:
[09:45] <didrocks> - 50 minutes in jfk to change terminal and have to go through the security again is definitively doable
[09:46] <didrocks> - 7 minutes to run between terminal 2E and the SNCF train station can also be done :)
[09:46] <nigelb> lol
[09:46] <didrocks> each time, I arrived between 2 to 5 minutes before closing boarding :)
[09:46] <seb128> lucky for you that the airports were small ones
[09:47] <nigelb> its like your travel agency wants to make sure you're keeping fit
[09:47] <nigelb> and can manage stress :p
[09:47] <seb128> one hour for connections don't work in some airports
[09:47] <didrocks> seb128: jfk is not that small. I just had to force the luck :)
[09:47] <seb128> :-)
[09:48] <didrocks> well, it was initially planned 3hours in jfk and 1h30 half in Paris :)
[09:48] <didrocks> s/half//
[09:48] <seb128> I see
[09:49] <seb128> didrocks, didn't mterry work on the glib update btw?
[09:49] <seb128> I saw robert_ancell did the update
[09:49] <didrocks> seb128: I've pushed one to the ppa IIRC
[09:49] <didrocks> let me check
[09:49] <didrocks> the gtk was still on my computer as the netbook can't build it
[09:50] <didrocks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds <- the glib is in the ppa
[09:50] <seb128> right, the new gtk is not in maverick
[09:50] <seb128> didrocks, ok, it should have been uploaded to natty
[09:50] <seb128> robert_ancell did the work again so now it can just be dropped I guess
[09:50] <didrocks> seb128: I was thinking we were still focussing on the ppa for the new version
[09:51] <seb128> gtk3 yes
[09:51] <seb128> natty has glib 2.27.1
[09:51] <seb128> or had, it has 2.27.2 now
[09:51] <didrocks> ok
[09:51] <didrocks> I'll build and push gtk3 in the ppa later today
[09:52] <seb128> ok thanks
[09:52] <didrocks> (I think it still needs some .symbol file love)
[09:52] <didrocks> yw
[09:52] <seb128> we need to find a way to make sure we don't dup work
[09:52] <seb128> especially with new team members
[09:52] <seb128> in new timezones
[09:52] <didrocks> well, having a glib branch?
[09:52] <seb128> well I'm not sure why those changes didn't land to the vcs
[09:52] <didrocks> there is one for gtk3, but didn't find a separate one for glib
[09:52] <seb128> because glib is trunk
[09:52] <didrocks> as I was expecting a separate one for the ppa, didn't think it was in natty
[09:53] <seb128> ok, so misunderstanding
[09:53] <didrocks> hence the fact I didn't push (and that mterry just sent me a debdiff)
[09:53] <seb128> no worry
[09:53] <didrocks> so, should be good then :)
[09:53] <seb128> well mterry is not in the team
[09:53] <seb128> I will add it this week though
[09:53] <seb128> he can't push atm
[09:54] <didrocks> yeah, sounds good. but most of the time he proposed a branch even when he can't merge, seemed that he was thinking as I, that it would be a separate branchc
[09:54] <didrocks> branch*
[09:58] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[09:58] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds is the PPA for gnome 3 stuff then?
[09:59] <seb128> only the stack
[09:59] <seb128> we didn't start on applications yet and I don't think we should
[10:00] <seb128> we probably want to wait a bit for gtk3 abi to stabilize
[10:00] <seb128> it's not worth the extra work to play catching up with all breakages this early
[10:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, right, you told me at uds, so I see glib and gtk/gnome-desktop are there already, so what's missing?
[10:01] <seb128> libcanberra
[10:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, and are you working on it?
[10:01] <seb128> gsettings-desktop-schemas
[10:01] <rodrigo_> right
[10:01] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, feel free to work on those if you want
[10:01] <rodrigo_> ok, cool
[10:02] <seb128> there is probably some other libs that will be needed later
[10:02] <seb128> like webkit
[10:02] <rodrigo_> yes, I'll check that
[10:02] <seb128> but those are the ones often required and still missing
[10:03] <rodrigo_> seb128, and are the packages in that PPA in some branch?
[10:03] <seb128> yes, check the control vcs lines
[10:04] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, just pick a random vcs url until they land in the archive
[10:05] <seb128> we can't use the new source name until it's uploaded
[10:05] <seb128> so I used gtk/ubuntugtk3
[10:05] <seb128> rather than gtk3/ubuntu
[10:06] <seb128> I will move it to the right vcs when it's uploaded
[10:06] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[10:07] <seb128> rodrigo_, you can do the same for canberra, libcanbera/ubuntugtk3
[10:07] <seb128> or similar
[10:07] <rodrigo_> hmm, but you mean creating a branch lp:libcanberra/ubuntugtk3, or just use that in the vcs line to fake it?
[10:09] <seb128> no, use ~rodrigo/libcanberra/ubuntugtk3
[10:09] <seb128> or similar
[10:09] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:09] <seb128> until it's uploaded
[10:10] <seb128> then we can switch to the normal lp:libcanberra3/ubuntu
[10:10] <seb128> but lp:libcanberra3 will be created only when the source is uploaded
[10:10] <rodrigo_> right
[10:17] <seb128> didrocks, 2.27.1.real?
[10:17] <seb128> did I screw the 2.27.1 upload or...?
[10:17] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I screwed the first upload, sorry
[10:18] <didrocks> seb128: for glib, you mean?
[10:18] <didrocks> seb128: or gtk? (it's in fact 2.27.2 which wasn't changed by mterry)
[10:18] <didrocks> seb128: I'm currently building it
[10:18] <seb128> no glib, I was wondering why we had a .real
[10:19] <didrocks> so it will be 2.27.2-0ubuntu1~build1
[10:19] <seb128> right, I guess we can just upload robert_ancell's version now
[10:19] <seb128> for glib
[10:19] <seb128> ok, waiting for your gtk update
[10:20] <didrocks> should be there soon. I'm expecting a FTBFS + change the .symbol file + rebuild and then upload
[10:20] <seb128> ok
[10:22] <seb128> brb
[10:37] <huats> morning
[10:40] <didrocks> hey huats!
[10:40] <huats> hey didrocks !
[10:45] <seb128> hey mterry
[10:46] <mterry> seb128, yo
[10:46] <huats> mister seb128 hello !
[10:46] <seb128> mterry, did you IRC during your sleep now? ;-)
[10:46] <seb128> lut huats
[10:47] <seb128> mterry, it's like a bit before 7am for you or am I doing the maths wrong?
[10:47] <mterry> seb128, :)  I'm just up early to head into the office.  (few things can drag me in, but free lunch pizza is one of them!)
[10:47] <seb128> lol
[10:47] <mterry> seb128, you're right on the math
[10:48] <seb128> ok
[10:50] <didrocks> seems some people didn't eat enough during UDS :)
[10:50] <didrocks> hey mterry
[11:10] <mterry> didrocks, hi  :)
[11:34] <seb128> nessita, hey
[11:38] <nessita> hello seb128! how are you?
[11:39] <seb128> nessita, I'm great, how are you?
[11:39] <nessita> pretty good! :-)
[11:40] <seb128> did you have a nice flight back?
[11:41] <nessita> seb128: yes, pretty good. A few babies cried like they were being killed, but other than that, good
[11:48] <nessita> seb128: how about you?
[11:59] <seb128> nessita, I had a nice fly and slept well on sunday
[12:00] <seb128> I'm back to normal timezone now
[12:00] <nessita> seb128: very good. That's important
[12:00] <seb128> there was just an issue with the audio system in the plane though
[12:01] <seb128> one of the speakers for the announces start doing loid noises
[12:01] <seb128> they had to reset the audio system
[12:01] <seb128> it has taken a while
[12:01] <seb128> they had to call the land guys to know what to do
[12:05] <rodrigo_> hi nessita
[12:06] <rodrigo_> btw, in the 2 transatlantic flights I've been thise last week, the video system was linux-based
[12:06] <nessita> hi rodrigo_!
[12:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, how did you figure that was the case?
[12:10] <seb128> the one we had was winCE based
[12:10] <seb128> (one of the screen was on a scrash screen)
[12:10] <rodrigo_> seb128, some were rebooting, and I could clearly see the kernel starting messages
[12:10] <rodrigo_> and a Penguin logo on the terminal :)
[12:10] <rodrigo_> a tux
[12:11] <seb128> nice
[12:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, what airline was that?
[12:11] <seb128> lufthansa
[12:12] <rodrigo_> ok, so we should fly on Continental airlines and Aer Lingus (the 2 I flew with) :)
[12:13] <seb128> ;-)
[12:13] <seb128> hey asac
[12:13] <rodrigo_> only "problem" was their chess game, it didn't use gnuchess, so it was somewhat easy to beatit : )
[12:18] <seb128> mterry, wb
[12:18] <seb128> mterry, I just added you to ubuntu-desktop on launchpad, enjoy
[12:18] <mterry> seb128, :) w00t, I'm in ur team, haxing ur PPA
[12:18] <seb128> mterry, ;-)
[12:19] <seb128> you better be nice, I can revoke team subscriptions ;-)
[12:19]  * TheMuso waves from Boston.
[12:20]  * mterry waves back at TheMuso from Boston  :)
[12:20] <ricotz> seb128, hi
[12:20] <seb128> hey ricotz
[12:21] <ricotz> seb128, is there a timeline for gtk+3.0 to be included in the ubuntu repo?
[12:21] <seb128> ricotz, it's in a ppa
[12:21] <seb128> but this week in natty
[12:21] <TheMuso> mterry: :)
[12:21] <seb128> ricotz, why?
[12:22] <mterry> didrocks, did my gtk3/glib patches end up working?
[12:22]  * mterry checks the PPA
[12:22] <didrocks> mterry: not sure about "working", uploaded to the ppa in any case, yeah :)
[12:22] <ricotz> seb128, ok, i am just curious since i added it to my ppa which I could drop when it there by default
[12:22] <mterry> didrocks, I guess, "applying".  I remember there was some oddity and we thought maybe the wrong source had been unpacked
[12:23] <ricotz> didrocks, hi, there is gtk3 2.91.3 ;)
[12:23] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, I finished that. I was waiting this morning to build it on a laptop rather than a netbook
[12:23] <didrocks> ricotz: I know :) just prefered to finish current work first
[12:24] <ricotz> didrocks, ok
[12:24] <didrocks> mterry: amd64 seems still failing: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58520011/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.gtk%2B3.0_2.91.2-0ubuntu1~build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:25] <ricotz> didrocks, you can look at ricotz/staging
[12:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~rodrigo-moya/gsettings-desktop-schemas/ubuntugtk3": No such project: gsettings-desktop-schemas
[12:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, where can I push it?
[12:25] <didrocks> ricotz: ok, thanks :) I think other people will look at gtk3 before I get some time for it though :)
[12:26] <mterry> didrocks, hrm, those are new to .2.  I'm assuming that check isn't made on local machines?  i.e. it's unique to buildds?  Because I didn't get that on my amd64
[12:26] <seb128> rodrigo_, you can use +junk
[12:26] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:26] <seb128> lp:~rodrigo-moya/+junk/gsettings-desktop-schemas
[12:26] <didrocks> mterry: I don't know, I didn't have a build log there and I didn't get the issue on i386
[12:27] <ricotz> rodrigo_, hi, are you working on gnome-themes-standard also?
[12:27] <mterry> didrocks, the gtk3 devs are so bad about porting their own tests to this-week's-new-API .  Don't know why they expect others to keep up when they can't...
[12:27] <didrocks> mterry: seb128 is the most knowledgeable on gtk :)
[12:27] <rodrigo_> ricotz, no, gsettings-desktop-schemas, and after that, libcanberra3
[12:27] <ricotz> rodrigo_, can you have a look at ppa:ricotz/staging
[12:27] <rodrigo_> ricotz, yes
[12:28] <ricotz> rodrigo_, thanks
[12:28] <cyphermox> good morning!
[12:28] <rodrigo_> ricotz, ah, cool, already packaged there
[12:28] <TheMuso> rodrigo_: Afaik libcanberra should only require a rebuild once GTK3 is in the archive.
[12:28] <TheMuso> Ah sorry no, it needs more than that, but the changes are trivial.
[12:29] <rodrigo_> TheMuso, hmm, I think it requires gtk3
[12:29] <seb128> we need 2 builds
[12:29] <TheMuso> rodrigo_: Yes, thats why I corrected myself.
[12:29] <seb128> we need a version of the lib for each gtk
[12:29] <rodrigo_> yes, it does, so a rebuild for gtk3 is needed
[12:29] <seb128> not only a rebuild
[12:29] <seb128> the build system need to be changed
[12:29] <seb128> to ship 2 binaries
[12:29] <seb128> one for each gtk
[12:29] <seb128> or we need 2 sources
[12:29] <rodrigo_> yeah, right
[12:29] <TheMuso> We should be able to do it from the one source.
[12:30] <seb128> didrocks, mterry: the buildds fail on implicit conversions warnings
[12:30] <ricotz> seb128, no, just a few more binary packages
[12:30] <TheMuso> u/c
[12:30] <seb128> didrocks, mterry: those usually turn to be crashers on 64bit archs
[12:30] <seb128> so the buildds block those and make the build fail
[12:30] <ricotz> seb128, it can be build against gtk2 and gtk3 at the same time
[12:30] <mterry> seb128, right, likely because they dropped some API that the tests used and didn't port them -- I got the same issue with gtk3 2.91.1
[12:30] <seb128> welcome to gtk world
[12:30] <seb128> that's why I said we should wait before using it for applications
[12:30] <didrocks> seb128: it's not triggered by -Wall? why mterry didn't get it locally?
[12:31] <seb128> it's changing every day right now
[12:31] <seb128> we don't want to play catch up on the application stack yet
[12:31] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, what changes?
[12:31] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, ?
[12:31] <seb128> gtk3
[12:31] <Sir_Konrad> ah.
[12:31] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, sorry, new here. Doing some work for 11.04.
[12:31] <mterry> didrocks, well, it probably warned about it, just didn't do a failure at the end due to it.  It's not building with -Werror
[12:31] <rodrigo_> ricotz, do you have those packages in that PPA in branches?
[12:32] <ricotz> rodrigo_, no, sorry
[12:32] <ricotz> but it might save you some time
[12:32] <ricotz> i will be back later
[12:33] <bilalakhtar> Anyone seen mvo around here lately?
[12:33] <geekosopher> didrocks: that was superfast with bug 659244! :)
[12:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659244 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Tracks synced to iphone won't play (affects: 21) (dups: 3) (heat: 128)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659244
[12:33] <didrocks> mterry: not does the buildds
[12:34] <mterry> seb128, well, I can fix the amd64 failure, but I might as well also update to .3 while I'm there (which will likely fix those specific errors anyway).  Is anyone else working on .3?
[12:34] <didrocks> /s/not/nor
[12:34] <didrocks> geekosopher: hehe :)
[12:34] <seb128> mterry, I think didrocks is
[12:34] <mterry> didrocks, no, but I think the buildd's do a special check at the end for implicit-pointer warnings
[12:34] <didrocks> geekosopher: I don't have any ipod/iphone to test, I just ensured that rhythmbox is still working
[12:34] <seb128> bilalakhtar, he has been travelling back from UDS and yesterday was an holiday
[12:34] <geekosopher> did(rocks) :)
[12:34] <didrocks> seb128: I'm not, if mterry wants to work on it, welcome :)
[12:34] <seb128> bilalakhtar, he has a vac day today as well
[12:34] <bilalakhtar> seb128: Can you sponsor the debdiff on bug #636329 ?
[12:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636329 in gimp (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Gimp: Print preview and printout are blank pages (affects: 31) (dups: 2) (heat: 166)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636329
[12:34] <bilalakhtar> please :D
[12:34] <didrocks> mterry: oh something in dpkg-binarymangler?
[12:34] <seb128> bilalakhtar, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[12:35] <seb128> didrocks, no, soyuz
[12:35] <bilalakhtar> seb128: yes I did
[12:35] <seb128> bilalakhtar, ok just wait then
[12:35] <mterry> didrocks, OK, I'll work on .3.  Yeah, I think so.  Because the failure is after the "Finished at 20101102-1222" build message
[12:35] <bilalakhtar> Thanks thanks!
[12:35] <seb128> bilalakhtar, people have been travelling back from UDS and are jetlaged and need to catch up today
[12:35] <seb128> didrocks, mterry: it's a soyuz thing
[12:35] <didrocks> seb128: oh really? it's parsing the log ouptut at the end? Ok, learnt something new today :)
[12:35] <seb128> not a dpkg one
[12:35] <didrocks> same with official buildds?
[12:35] <seb128> didrocks, yes
[12:35] <seb128> yes
[12:36] <bilalakhtar> okay, yesterday was a holiday for all the Canonical employees!
[12:36] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for the explanation :)
 didrocks, mterry: the buildds fail on implicit conversions warnings
 didrocks, mterry: those usually turn to be crashers on 64bit archs
[12:36] <seb128>  so the buildds block those and make the build fail
[12:36] <didrocks> I was thinking we had to explicitely use -Wall -Werror for that, nice it's not needed!
[12:36] <Cimi> ahah, hi guys
[12:36] <Cimi> I slept 15 hours
[12:36] <seb128> bilalakhtar, no it was not but it's a national holiday in several european countries
[12:36] <Cimi> :D
[12:36] <Cimi> incredible
[12:37] <seb128> hey Cimi
[12:37] <bilalakhtar> okay
[12:37] <Cimi> hi seb!
[12:37] <Cimi> ciao didier!
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, it's very different, the buildd failure is specific to implicit conversions
[12:37] <seb128> it will not fail on random warnings ;-)
[12:38] <didrocks> ok, just cherry picked implicit conversion, got it :)
[12:38] <didrocks> hello Cimi!
[12:38] <seb128> debian does the same btw
[12:38] <seb128> didrocks, it's not new, it's doing that for some years
[12:39] <seb128> weird that never ran into that before ;-)
[12:39] <didrocks> seb128: apparently I was lucky :)
[12:39] <seb128> yeah
[12:39] <didrocks> seb128: is there others soyuz trick I should know?
[12:39] <seb128> mterry, btw no pressure but your gtk upload will land in natty
[12:40] <seb128> didrocks, I don't think so
[12:40] <mterry> seb128, :)
[12:40] <didrocks> seb128: ok :)
[12:40] <seb128> mterry, I think we are ready for upload there
[12:40] <mterry> yar, OK.  I will make sure amd64 is all set
[12:41] <seb128> we can still do a ppa upload first to be sure if you want
[12:41] <seb128> didrocks, btw the build log end explain the build failure
[12:41] <seb128> it has a wiki page pointer as well
[12:43] <didrocks> seb128: the issue wasn't that I don't know about ImplicitPointer conversion. I saw that in my build sometimes (but I always had -Werror -Wall). My concern was "why we get that in the buildd and not locally" :)
[12:44] <seb128> didrocks, that's explained there as well
[12:44] <seb128> ;-)
[12:44] <seb128> in the debian wiki pointed
[12:44] <seb128> anyway all sorted now
[12:44] <seb128> you will know for the next time ;-)
[12:45] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the quick rb backport btw
[12:45] <seb128> hey lamalex
[12:45] <lamalex> good morning seb128
[12:45] <didrocks> seb128: yw :)
[12:45] <didrocks> seb128: right, I know for next time, thanks! :)
[12:45] <didrocks> hey lamalex
[12:45] <lamalex> hey didrocks
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128! get back ok?
[12:46] <lamalex> seb128, for natty, will we be shipping the gnome-control-center from gtk 3, or the older version- I noticed a lot has changed but I haven't been able to get jhbuild to finish running to test it
[12:55]  * bilalakhtar makes an attempt to upgrade Empathy
[12:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, yes, you?
[12:56] <seb128> lamalex, it's not decided yet
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, but i ended up with ubuflu
[12:56] <bilalakhtar> ubuflu?
[12:56] <bilalakhtar> Ubuntu flu!
[12:56] <seb128> lamalex, we will start by updating the platform and deal with softwares are they get ready
[12:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, :-(
[12:57] <lamalex> seb128, ok sounds good
[12:59] <pitti> Good morning
[12:59] <pitti> hey seb128, how are you?
[12:59]  * pitti waves to chrisccoulson
[12:59] <didrocks> hey pitti
[12:59] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[12:59] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[13:00] <seb128> hey pitti
[13:00] <pitti> pretty well, thanks
[13:00] <seb128> pitti, I'm fine, how are you?
[13:00]  * pitti is on a CD space rampage
[13:00] <seb128> how was your flight?
[13:00] <bilalakhtar> Is GTK 3 in natty already?
[13:00] <seb128> bilalakhtar, no, should be by the end of the week
[13:00] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[13:00] <seb128> it's in a ppa
[13:00] <pitti> seb128: rather short, 4.5 h in total with an hour break in Charlotte
[13:00] <seb128> pitti, you were on time for your plane I guess?
[13:00]  * pitti now is looking for someone to review scour in NEW
[13:00] <bilalakhtar> so I will wait for a week before upgrading Empathy in Ubuntu
[13:01] <seb128> pitti, I can do
[13:01] <pitti> seb128: in time to watch two more House episodes :)
[13:01] <pitti> seb128: security was < 5 min
[13:01] <seb128> bilalakhtar, we don't want to take GNOME 2.91 updates yet
[13:01] <pitti> seb128: was it really so bad for you?
[13:01] <bilalakhtar> seb128: hmm? why?
[13:01] <seb128> pitti, no, it was one of the shortest security check we had
[13:01] <pitti> seb128: that'd be awesome; then I could go on with the SVG compression
[13:01] <pitti> seb128: I'm going to file a MIR for it, perhaps you can put it straight to main?
[13:01] <seb128> not sure why people told us to be hours in advances
[13:02] <pitti> (should be fine for main, it's small and harmless)
[13:02] <seb128> pitti, ok
[13:02] <pitti> seb128: how's your jetlag?
[13:02] <didrocks> pitti, seb128: it took at least 50 minutes for dbarth and I just for the security in the morning
[13:02] <seb128> bilalakhtar, because gtk3 is not stable yet and we don't want to play catching up with abi breakages in the archive
[13:02] <bilalakhtar> seb128: so when will you begin accepting them?
[13:03] <seb128> dunno yet, end of year
[13:03] <seb128> we plan to land the stack first
[13:03] <seb128> then finish cleaning things to be ready for it
[13:03] <seb128> build some softwares in a ppa
[13:03] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[13:03] <seb128> clean the merges list
[13:03] <bilalakhtar> thanks for telling me about this
[13:03] <bilalakhtar> I am working on merges!
[13:04] <seb128> great
[13:04] <seb128> pitti, should I send a meeting remindeR?
[13:05] <pitti> seb128: oh, if you could, thanks
[13:05] <seb128> pitti, ok, doing that
[13:06] <mterry> Are people running natty yet?
[13:07] <pitti> mterry: o/
[13:07] <pitti> works fine here
[13:07] <pitti> *suspiciously* fine
[13:07] <pitti> the only thing that broke for me after the upgrade was calibre
[13:07] <pitti> and that's already fixed
[13:07] <mterry> pitti, alright, I'll try too
[13:08] <seb128> mterry, I've a mix, I do have it in my source and apt-get install what I need
[13:08] <seb128> so it's progressive updates
[13:09] <mterry> seb128, too practical!  :)
[13:09] <seb128> ;-)
[13:10] <cyphermox> mterry: aside from things not building anymore, natty runs fine ;)
[13:12] <seb128> waouh
[13:13] <seb128> pitti, you signed for 52 work items already? ;-)
[13:13] <seb128> rather 58 with 6 done
[13:13] <pitti> seb128: well, Perl elimination is a lot of work..
[13:13] <pitti> I just exploded the list of what's needed there
[13:13] <pitti> instead of just one huge "fix 'em all"
[13:13] <pitti> easier for keeping track
[13:14] <seb128> right
[13:14] <pitti> seb128: I did two unperlizations to get the feeling for it
[13:14] <pitti> but I want to start with the binarymangler-ish ones first
[13:14] <pitti> seb128: dh_scour works well now :)
[13:14] <pitti> seb128: oh, btw
[13:14] <seb128> pitti, "Drop evolution-couchdb from default install, which drops couchdb and erlang (6.7 MB)"
[13:14] <seb128> was that decided?
[13:14] <seb128> I though that was the first option if we need space
[13:14] <pitti> seb128: as an option when it's still not enough
[13:14] <seb128> but we would do only if space needed
[13:14] <pitti> seb128: so this one can easily be dropped if we get enough through other means
[13:15] <seb128> ok, seems you freaked the u1 guys out
[13:15] <seb128> Chipaca pinged me about that
[13:15] <seb128> you might want to clarify it's a backup solution
[13:15] <seb128> and not a made decision
[13:15] <pitti> seb128: *clickyclicky* better no?
[13:15] <pitti> now?
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, yes, thank you!
[13:16]  * pitti hugs seb128 for early spec review
[13:16]  * seb128 hugs pitti for early spec work start
[13:16] <pitti> seb128: btw, I noticed that yesterday: Remove changelog.gz in pkgbinarymangler (17 MB): DONE
[13:17] <pitti> seb128: I wasn't aware that we still had so many upstream changelogs :)
[13:17]  * pitti does the CD space dance
[13:17] <didrocks> can someone accept those for natty so that it's shown in the WI tracker:
[13:17] <didrocks> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-dx-n-unity-compiz
[13:17] <pitti> didrocks: will do
[13:17] <didrocks> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-dx-n-2d-experience-fallback
[13:17] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[13:17] <didrocks> pitti: and congrats for the changelog.gz murder :)
[13:18] <Laney> hiya
[13:18] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[13:18] <pitti> hey Laney, how's it going?
[13:18] <Laney> just about over the jet lag :)
[13:19] <Laney> can someone merge lp:~laney/+junk/tomboy for me?
[13:19] <seb128> hey Laney
[13:19] <seb128> Laney, ok
[13:19] <seb128> Laney, can't you do that yourself?
[13:19] <Laney> i'm not in ~ubuntu-desktop
[13:19] <seb128> well if you have upload rights you have commit rights
[13:19] <seb128> it subteam from main uploaders
[13:20] <Laney> no i only have package set upload
[13:20] <Laney> doesn't give team bzr commit
[13:20] <seb128> oh right
[13:20] <seb128> I though you had main upload rights
[13:20] <Laney> only to the important parts :P
[13:23] <seb128> pitti, bsd sources can be shipped under the apache license?
[13:23] <seb128> (just checking, I'm not sure about non common cases)
[13:25] <seb128> pitti, you probably want to define a license for the debian directory in the copyright?
[13:25] <seb128> otherwise scour seems fine to me
[13:25] <pitti> seb128: no, that one source file is bsd, rest is apache
[13:26] <pitti> seb128: "Files: *" should include debian/, though?
[13:26] <seb128> good point
[13:26] <pitti> seb128: my intention was to ship the packaging under the same license, i. e. apache
[13:26] <pitti> just in case I ever write something (like a test suite) which should go upstream
[13:26] <seb128> pitti, NEWed
[13:26] <pitti> as I did for optipng
[13:26] <pitti> \o/
[13:26] <pitti> cheers
[13:27] <seb128> bah I forgot to promote it
[13:27] <seb128> I will do that when I new the binaries later
[13:29] <pitti> seb128: I'll file an MIR now
[13:29] <rodrigo_> hmm, has anything changed related to the debian/*.install files?
[13:29] <rodrigo_> if I add a subpackage (-dev) and 2 .install files, it just adds the docs to both packages
[13:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, why?
[13:30] <seb128> can you push you work somewhere?
[13:30] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, one minute
[13:30] <didrocks> bbiab, need to do some errands
[13:31] <seb128> didrocks, see you
[13:31] <rodrigo_> seb128, lp:~rodrigo-moya/+junk/gsettings-desktop-schemas
[13:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, checking that
[13:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, no hurry, I'm off for lunch now, so take your time :-)
[13:33]  * pitti chuckles on the graph on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html -- clearly we had an UDS :)
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, it's suprising that we have so much green already there
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: well, some specs were carried over from maverick
[13:35] <pitti> explains why mvo is already at 100% :)
[13:35] <Sir_Konrad> ok so we can transfer songs to an iPod Touch on Ubuntu, but they don't appear in the iPod app.
[13:35] <seb128> ;-)
[13:35] <Sir_Konrad> can anyone confirm this?
[13:36] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, bug #659244
[13:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659244 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Tracks synced to iphone won't play (affects: 21) (dups: 3) (heat: 128)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659244
[13:36] <seb128> ?
[13:36] <seb128> it might be fixed by that sru
[13:36] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, probably it. I'm going to try working on this bug. Hopefully I might have it fixed for jailbroken ones by the time of 11.04...
[13:37] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, it's already fixed?
[13:37] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, we will use banshee as default music player this cycle
[13:37] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, it might yes
[13:37] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, ok I'll be looking into it. If it's not fixed I'll see if I can help out.
[13:37] <seb128> ok thank you
[13:38] <seb128> try 0.13.2 to start
[13:38] <seb128> I will do the update for natty today
[13:38] <seb128> if you want to wait
[13:39] <Sir_Konrad> Rhythmbox 0.13.2 seb128?
[13:39] <seb128> yes
[13:39] <Sir_Konrad> ok.
[13:39] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, see comment #15 on the bug
[13:40] <seb128> rodrigo_, you named the files gsettings-desktop-schemas
[13:40] <seb128> rodrigo_, with "ttt", 3 t
[13:40] <seb128> rodrigo_, typo ;-)
[13:40] <Sir_Konrad> ok seb128, looking into it. :)
[13:40] <pitti> seb128: scour is in binNEW; I'll promote the source to main
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: do you have a sec to review?
[13:41]  * pitti prepares cdbs integration
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, yes
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: MIR is filed, FTR
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, doing that
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to promote those as well?
[13:41]  * pitti hugs seb128, sorry for bothering you wit hthat
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: please
[13:42] <pitti> I metioned in the MIR that it got pre-promoted
[13:42] <seb128> pitti, no worry, I will make you pay back this week
[13:42] <pitti> it's easy to revert
[13:42] <seb128> once gtk3 lands ;-)
[13:42] <pitti> heh, yes
[13:48] <seb128> pitti, binaries out of binNEW to main now
[13:48] <pitti> *hug*
[13:48] <seb128> *hug* back ;-)
[13:48]  * pitti runs a storm attack on SVGs
[13:48] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, rhythmbox 0.13.2 isn't into the default Ubuntu repos yet.
[13:48] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, right, upstream just rolled the tarball
[13:48] <pitti> Sir_Konrad: OOI, do you like playing wesnoth? :)
[13:49] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, I will try to do the update today
[13:49] <Sir_Konrad> pitti, yeah used to be a huge wesnoth gamer. :P
[13:49] <pitti> Sir_Konrad: explains your nick
[13:49] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, you're going to put it into the repo?
[13:49] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, in natty
[13:49] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, but I can put it in a ppa for maverick if you want
[13:50] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, oh ok. can you put it into lucid?
[13:50] <seb128> I don't think so
[13:50] <seb128> the lucid glib is not recent enough to build it
[13:50] <Sir_Konrad> ah...
[13:50] <Sir_Konrad> I'm probably going to have tp update to Maverick.
[13:58] <mterry> seb128, in this gtk3 .3 update, I want to just use dh_autoreconf instead of updating this darn 070-mandatory-autoreconf.patch every time.  Is there any reason not to?
[13:58] <seb128> mterry, no
[13:58] <seb128> just it's not as easy with other sources
[13:59] <seb128> it's an old debhelper source and the rules do several builds
[13:59] <seb128> so you can't only include the autoreconf rules
[14:00] <mterry> seb128, yeah.  I'm inserting a dh_autoreconf after patching (as it only needs to be done once, AFAIK) and the dh_autoreconf_clean right before the dh_clean call
[14:00] <seb128> seems alright
[14:00] <seb128> if that work great, the autoreconf patch is driving me nuts as well
[14:01] <mterry> :)
[14:01]  * kenvandine hates all of those autoreconf patches 
[14:02] <Laney> dh_autoreconf ♥
[14:03] <pitti> our meeting today is still 1600 UTC, right?
[14:03] <seb128> I've to check on dh-autoreconf though
[14:03] <seb128> pitti, 16:30utc
[14:03] <pitti> erm, right
[14:03] <seb128> pitti, in 2:30
[14:03] <pitti> $ date -u
[14:03] <pitti> Di 2. Nov 14:03:21 UTC 2010
[14:03] <pitti> right
[14:03] <seb128> 2:26 ;-)
[14:04]  * mterry wishes the world ran on UTC time
[14:04] <seb128> I need to check on dh-autoreconf
[14:04] <kenvandine> indeed
[14:04] <seb128> I've the feeling some of the builds run twice
[14:04] <Sir_Konrad> pitti, meeting is at 1600UTC?
[14:04] <seb128> or at least configure runs twice
[14:04] <pitti> Sir_Konrad: no, 1630
[14:04] <Sir_Konrad> pitti, ok.
[14:04] <Laney> dh-autoreconf takes care of cleaning, so double builds shouldn't be a problem
[14:04] <seb128> not sure why though
[14:04] <mterry> seb128, they do do multiple configure runs.  But I didn't think we needed multiple dh_autoreconf calls
[14:04] <Sir_Konrad> Let me figure out what time that is in my time zone pitti. :P
[14:05] <seb128> Laney, mterry: no, I mean simple things like gnome-utils
[14:05] <seb128> dh-autoreconf make them configure twice
[14:05] <pitti> seb128: date -d '16:30 UTC'
[14:05] <pitti> sorry, Sir_Konrad ^
[14:05] <seb128> not sure if they build twice
[14:05] <Sir_Konrad> pitti, what?
[14:05] <seb128> but I can see the build finish and configure run again
[14:05] <seb128> which doesn't happen when they have an autoreconf patch
[14:05] <pitti> Sir_Konrad: that will give you the meeting time in your local time
[14:05] <seb128> rather than using the autoreconf rules
[14:06] <Laney> weird
[14:06] <Sir_Konrad> ah.
[14:06] <Sir_Konrad> thanks. :P
[14:06] <Laney> it just runs autoreconf -f -i
[14:06] <Sir_Konrad> Hmm... I dunno if I'll be able to attend. :\
[14:08] <Sir_Konrad> Can I get a recap later on? :D
[14:08] <seb128> logs are public and online
[14:08] <seb128> you can find them on the wiki page after the meeting usually
[14:08] <Sir_Konrad> ok.
[14:09] <didrocks> pitti: when you have some time, any idea why I get only one blueprint on the list and not others even if I updated them this morning? (see http://paste.ubuntu.com/524441/)
[14:09] <seb128> didrocks, which ones are missing?
[14:09] <seb128> oh
[14:09] <seb128> checking
[14:10] <seb128> didrocks, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-dx-n-2d-experience-fallback
[14:10] <seb128> you need to assign it to you
[14:10] <seb128> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-dx-n-unity-compiz
[14:10] <seb128> same
[14:10] <seb128> not sure why https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-bringing-desktop-and-netbook-image-closer is not
[14:11] <didrocks> not really my spec for those 2 fist, but I was thinking that the WI tracker will take as I have actions on them
[14:11] <seb128> try deleting the empty line bellow "work items:"
[14:11] <pitti> didrocks: what seb128 says
[14:11] <pitti> the WI block must be one paragraph
[14:11] <pitti> since you can have other stuff around it
[14:11] <didrocks> pitti: oh right, sorry for that :)
[14:12] <didrocks> but for the first two? it should be an assignee, even if it's not me, isn't it?
[14:12] <didrocks> and for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-oneconf, any clue?
[14:12] <didrocks> should be accepted to natty I guess
[14:15] <pitti> didrocks: ^ done
[14:15] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[14:16] <didrocks> just need to confirm who should be assignee on the two first spec, but dbarth is away today
[14:16] <mterry> seb128, OK, I have a gtk3 package that built successfully in my personal natty PPA (and uses dh-autoreconf).  I'll update the ubuntugtk3 branch shortly.  Should I push to the GNOME3 PPA or natty?
[14:23] <mterry> Hmm, how do I prevent .bzr-builddeb/default.conf from showing up as a local change to the package?
[14:23] <didrocks> mterry: do you use bzr bd -S ?
[14:23] <mterry> didrocks, oh, that would probably be wise.  I was doing debuild
[14:24] <didrocks> :)
[14:26] <seb128> mterry, you can probably push to both
[14:26] <seb128> jasoncwarner, hey
[14:26] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner
[14:26] <seb128> mterry, do a maverick upload in the gnome3 ppa
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, we will keep that a backport for people doing gtk3 cleaning still on maverick
[14:27] <mterry> seb128, k
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, maybe wait for tomorrow in natty, I will do another round of checking today to make sure we are on shape
[14:27] <mterry> sure
[14:28] <ricotz> seb128, i hope the natty gtk3 package will include introspection?
[14:28] <seb128> ricotz, it will
[14:28] <ricotz> good :)
[14:28] <seb128> mterry, is the current version doing that? ;-)
[14:29] <seb128> I turned it on and off during the previous weeks
[14:29] <mterry> heh, let me check
[14:29] <seb128> build was failing with gir 0.9.3
[14:29] <ricotz> it builds fine with 0.9.12
[14:29] <seb128> I commented on the binary in the control and the rules changes
[14:29] <seb128> ricotz, right, I got it to build fine locally
[14:29] <seb128> but the ppa has maverick builds as well
[14:29] <didrocks> morning jasoncwarner
[14:30] <mterry> seb128, nope, still commented out
[14:30] <ricotz> seb128, maverick wont work of course, but natty needs to have it
[14:30] <seb128> mterry, ok, so we need to turn that on before going to natty
[14:30] <mterry> seb128, sure
[14:30] <seb128> mterry, I can fix that and upload later today or tomorrow
[14:30] <seb128> mterry, or do you want to do it?
[14:30] <seb128> ricotz, "needs"?
[14:31] <seb128> ricotz, nothing require it yet so no hurry
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, I can do it whenever we decide to push to natty
[14:31] <seb128> but we will have it at some point sure
[14:31] <seb128> mterry, well goal is to land that to natty this week
[14:31] <seb128> I would say later today or tomorrow
[14:31] <ricotz> seb128, gnome-shell needs it, or i need to ship an extra package :(
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, right, that's the timeframe I meant too
[14:32] <seb128> mterry,
[14:32] <seb128> -#	dh_girepository -pgir1.0-gtk-3.0
[14:32] <seb128> +	dh_girepository -pgir1.0-gtk-3.0
[14:32] <seb128> -			--enable-introspection=no \
[14:32] <seb128> +			--enable-introspection=yes \
[14:34] <seb128> gir1.0-gtk-3.0 needs to be in the BINARY_ARCH_PKGS list
[14:34] <ricotz> and drop the gir patch
[14:34] <seb128> uncomment the binary in control and the typelib .install
[14:34] <jasoncwarner> didrocks: morning!
[14:35] <seb128> mterry, ^ basically what you need
[14:35] <mterry> :) ok
[14:35] <mterry> thx
[14:35] <seb128> np
[14:36] <seb128> jasoncwarner, thanks for ignoring pitti and me hellos ;-)
[14:37] <didrocks> ("continue to ignore" +1 penalty card :-))
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> hi jasoncwarner!
[14:40] <Sir_Konrad> ok guys, I'm going to beat it for now. Be back later. ;)
[14:40] <rickspencer3> pitti, good morning
[14:40] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, bye
[14:41] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[14:41] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey
[14:41] <Sir_Konrad> see ya later seb128. :)
[14:41] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks, seb128, etc...
[14:42] <seb128> rickspencer3, did you make home fine?
[14:42] <rickspencer3> seb128, iou
[14:42] <seb128> oui ;-)
[14:42] <pitti> bonjour rickspencer3
[14:42] <seb128> rickspencer3, bien :-)
[14:42] <rickspencer3> mon voyage (eeer, don;'t know how to say "was") tres facile
[14:42] <didrocks> était
[14:43] <didrocks> good to hear :)
[14:43] <rickspencer3> seb128, et tu?
[14:43] <seb128> "toi"
[14:43] <seb128> j'ai bien voyagé
[14:43] <rickspencer3> hehe
[14:43] <rickspencer3> chouette
[14:44] <seb128> ;-)
[14:44] <seb128> j'ai dormis un peu dans l'avion
[14:44] <rickspencer3> didrocks, comment est Leon?
[14:44] <didrocks> "Lyon" (Leon is a first name btw :))
[14:44] <rickspencer3> </Abusing French>
[14:44] <didrocks> rickspencer3: je suis encore à Annecy, je déménage à Lyon début décembre
[14:45] <rickspencer3> didrocks, ah, oui
[14:45] <rickspencer3> pitti, do you have a schedule for blueprints between now and Feature Definition Freeze?
[14:46] <rickspencer3> avez-vous un schedule?
[14:46] <rickspencer3> hehe
[14:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: our plan was to have the list of specs nailed down by today's meeting, and WIs settled by next Tuesday
[14:46] <rickspencer3> aggressive
[14:46] <pitti> I know :)
[14:46] <rickspencer3> pitti, with plumbers this week, seems a bit hard to nail that down across the board
[14:46] <pitti> but feasible IMHO, given that we don't have that many specs this cycle
[14:46] <seb128> I will cover for pitti
[14:46] <seb128> or rather help
[14:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: I already got mine written up
[14:46] <seb128> I don't think anybody else is at plumbers in our team
[14:46] <pitti> all pending approval
[14:46] <rickspencer3> yeah, I'm thinking of all the teams, though
[14:46] <seb128> so plumbers should not impact on the team
[14:47] <pitti> and I can do some reviews during the week
[14:47] <seb128> I think the "this week" was for desktop
[14:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: oh, this is just for desktop
[14:47] <seb128> not sure what other teams plan to do
[14:47] <rickspencer3> right, understood
[14:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: if other teams need more time, that's up to them from my POV
[14:47] <rickspencer3> in the past, the Desktop team set the pace, so I was going to try to align everyone around the desktop schedule
[14:47] <pitti> but I didn't ask people to write complex wiki documents, etc.
[14:47] <rickspencer3> however, I think that other teams may need 1 more week
[14:48] <pitti> we did that in the past, but the reason for that is pretty obsolete IMHO
[14:48] <seb128> pitti, imho we should stop doing that
[14:48] <seb128> we didn't really last cycle
[14:48] <pitti> I know, and on purpose
[14:48] <rickspencer3> pitti, how do you know if you have the "list of specs"? do you set the blueprints with some attribute?
[14:48] <seb128> what we care about is a summary and workitems imho
[14:48] <pitti> we also didn't for lucid
[14:48] <pitti> rickspencer3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+specs?searchtext=desktop
[14:48] <pitti> (minus some noise there from ols/dx)
[14:49] <rickspencer3> pitti, but do you set them as "Accepted" or so?
[14:49] <pitti> rickspencer3: I target them to natty
[14:49] <rickspencer3> Or is it that they are assigned?
[14:49] <pitti> and they need an assignee in the desktop team
[14:49] <rickspencer3> So, series goal = Natty
[14:49] <rickspencer3> ?
[14:49] <pitti> but for above list, targetting to Natty is the critical point
[14:49] <rickspencer3> and probably should have an assignee
[14:49] <pitti> yep
[14:50] <pitti> Jason and I went through and made sure that all of them have people assigned and a priority
[14:50] <rickspencer3> ok, I think having teams have that by next Thursday, and then have work items the following Thursday is reasonable
[14:50] <rickspencer3> I'll discuss with the other Engineering Managers
[14:50] <rickspencer3> thanks all!
[14:51] <pitti> cheers
[14:51] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner, hi
[14:52] <jasoncwarner> tkamppeter: good morning (or afternoon)
[14:53] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: As for bug #533652, what do you think would be the proper way to fix? The bug is about removing the cancel button, but you made an attempt to reduce the timeout duration
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 533652 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "critically low battery dialog "cancel" button is meaningless (affects: 8) (heat: 61)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533652
[14:54] <bilalakhtar> Can I work on removing the cancel button? Currently the bug is assigned to you, since the last few months
[14:54] <chrisccoulson> bilalakhtar, the issue is that notify-osd is displaying the fallback alert
[14:54] <chrisccoulson> g-p-m is not adding a cancel button
[14:54] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: so notify-osd is displaying that?
[14:54] <chrisccoulson> yes
[14:54] <bilalakhtar> how come!
[14:55] <bilalakhtar> yup, its true
[14:55] <bilalakhtar> But shouldn't it display that in a bubble?
[14:55] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: ^
[14:55] <chrisccoulson> yes
[14:55] <bilalakhtar> so did you revert the change in the package later on?
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> bilalakhtar, just looking
[14:57] <bilalakhtar> thanks
[14:58] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh, didn't see the typo!!
[14:58] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: yes, I saw, you removed it
[14:58] <bilalakhtar> it went upstream
[14:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, wb ;-)
[14:59] <bilalakhtar> *reportedly*
[14:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, hehe, I didn't spot it immediatly either
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> it should never have gone upstream, it's ubuntu specific
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i can see the issue
[14:59] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: thanks, I know how to fix it now
[14:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, that's why sometimes it's better to have someone look at the code, I looked everywhere but at the file names :)
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> bilalakhtar, it's ok, already fixed ;)
[15:00] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: But can't we have a bubble instead? why get notify-osd to display that dialog?
[15:00] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: it isn't fixed, the upstream bug was closed as NOTGNOME
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> bilalakhtar, i mean, already fixed here
[15:01] <bilalakhtar> thanks, go ahead
[15:02] <bilalakhtar> I mean, go ahead with your work, I disturbed you quite much :D
[15:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, packages build great now, thanks for spotting it!
[15:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, should I upload to the PPA?
[15:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[15:03] <seb128> do you have access to it?
[15:05] <rodrigo_> seb128, not sure, let me try
[15:07] <bilalakhtar> seb128: I want to get a GTK bug fixed, should I work on ubuntugtk3 branch or normal ~ubuntu-desktop one?
[15:08] <seb128> what bug?
[15:08] <seb128> I would say normal gtk
[15:08] <seb128> you probably want it fixed in gtk2
[15:08] <seb128> gtk3 is not really used yet
[15:09] <bilalakhtar> hmm, oka
[15:09] <bilalakhtar> Its a tiny bug
[15:10] <bilalakhtar> bug #611011
[15:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 611011 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Printing to File should go to $XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR instead of $HOME (affects: 2) (heat: 38)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611011
[15:10] <seb128> the patch if you get one will probably apply to both series
[15:10] <seb128> but better to work on upstream code and get it upstream
[15:10] <seb128> so it will go back in the archive with the next update
[15:10] <rodrigo_> bilalakhtar, yes, I guess that looks a nice upstream fix
[15:10] <bilalakhtar> hmmmm
[15:11] <bilalakhtar> rodrigo_: will forward it upstream, then wait if they accept it soon, else go ahead and poke a sponsor here
[15:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, Rejected:
[15:11] <rodrigo_> Signer has no upload rights to this PPA.
[15:11] <rodrigo_> bilalakhtar, yes, GTK developers might not answer too quick now, as they have a full load of work
[15:12] <bilalakhtar> hmm, GTK source uncompressed is HUGE!
[15:12] <rodrigo_> bilalakhtar, so, what I'd do is to file the patch in bugzilla.gnome.org, add it to our packages, and then remove it from the packages when it goes upstream
[15:12] <bilalakhtar> rodrigo_: that's what I would do definitely, thanks
[15:14] <ricotz> bilalakhtar, if it is an easy and understandable patch which you have got as git-patch you could try promoting it on irc
[15:15] <rodrigo_> yeah, also
[15:15]  * bilalakhtar has a lot of experience creating patches with git and running behind GNOME devs
[15:15] <bilalakhtar> Rhythmbox, Empathy, Nautilus, I have patched them all
[15:15] <rodrigo_> yeah, some patches from you are in upstream! :)
[15:20] <seb128> re
[15:20] <rodrigo_> hey seb128, not sure if you saw my message, but yeah, no permissions for that PPA
[15:20] <seb128> I saw and added you to the team now
[15:20] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[15:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, that gives you right to push to all desktop packages as well
[15:20]  * rodrigo_ dput's
[15:20] <seb128> but no upload rights to the archive
[15:21] <rodrigo_> so, I can break everything!!!
[15:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, we usually don't give commit access before some reviews
[15:21] <seb128> right
[15:21] <rodrigo_> ok :)
[15:21] <rodrigo_> so, I can push to the ~ubuntu-desktop branches now?
[15:21] <seb128> which was going to be my point, please ask for review before touching main archive components
[15:21] <seb128> yes
[15:21] <rodrigo_> seb128, but you always go via merge proposals rather than pushing directly?
[15:21] <seb128> but feel free to commit on new components you work on
[15:21] <seb128> or things you usually maintain, tomboy, etc
[15:22] <rodrigo_> yeah
[15:22] <rodrigo_> for the others, I'll send merge proposals
[15:22] <seb128> well if you are unsure just go with merge proposed for a bit
[15:22] <rodrigo_> yes
[15:22] <seb128> it's likely that after a while we will tell you to just commit
[15:22] <seb128> but we usually wait until we are confident you don't do errors
[15:22] <seb128> I just gave you access now because it will make things easier for gtk3
[15:23] <seb128> you have access to the ppa and new sources this way
[15:23] <seb128> ok?
[15:23] <rodrigo_> yeah, right, I don't want to break anything
[15:23] <seb128> if you are unsure just ask on the channel
[15:38] <bilalakhtar> XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR doesn't exist usually in the system, then how should the system find the document directory?
[15:38] <bilalakhtar> Should it default to $HOME/Documents?
[15:41] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, gsettings-desktop-schemas is in the PPA now
[15:41] <rodrigo_> ricotz, ^^ if you can have a try at it when it's available in the PPA, that would be great
[15:41] <didrocks> bilalakhtar: it depends on ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs for the locale handling
[15:42] <bilalakhtar> thanks
[15:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, great ;-)
[15:44] <ricotz> rodrigo_, the version string doesnt look right
[15:44] <rodrigo_> ricotz, hmm, why?
[15:45] <ricotz> should be something like 0.1.0-0ubuntu1
[15:45] <rodrigo_> ah, right
[15:45] <ricotz> and add an ~maverick1 or something
[15:46] <ricotz> rodrigo_,  ^ so it doesnt conflict with the natty upload
[15:46] <rodrigo_> yeah, doing a new upload now with the version changed
[15:47] <micahg> ricotz: ~maverick1 is for official backports, it should be something like ~maverick~ppa1 unless it's an official developer backport
[15:47] <rodrigo_> ricotz, so, 01.0-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa1 ?
[15:47] <ricotz> micahg, yeah :P, just wanted to give an exampel
[15:47] <rodrigo_> 0.1.0-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa1
[15:48] <ricotz> rodrigo_, yes
[15:48] <Riddell> what's the Ubuntu Desktop equivalent of "your battery's dying, suspending in 30s, click here to cancel" ?
[15:49] <ricotz> rodrigo_, you might want to upload a 0.1.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 to the natty pocket
[15:49] <pitti> ricotz: we don't have a "cancel", but otherwise that's done by gnome-power-manager
[15:50] <ricotz> Riddell, ^
[15:53] <jcastro> didrocks: can you idle in #banshee from now on?
[15:53] <didrocks> jcastro: I'm idling already :)
[15:53] <jcastro> didrocks: also, they started putting together bugs they need to work on for our transition
[15:56] <rodrigo_> ricotz, btw, is it safe to install the packages from your PPA in a maverick install?
[15:57] <rodrigo_> ricotz, that is, there is no glib API changes that might affect other apps, right?
[15:57]  * rodrigo_ just created a virtual machine to test the gnome3-builds ppa
[16:13] <ricotz> rodrigo_, i havent tested this and i wouldnt recommend it
[16:13] <rodrigo_> ricotz, ok
[16:21] <rodrigo_> hmm, is the desktop meeting in 10 minutes, or in 1 hour 10 minutes? evolution just showed me a reminder that it's in 10 minutes, but it used to be at 6:30 my time
[16:22] <mterry> 10 min
[16:22] <soren> rodrigo_: Lots of places moved away from DST this weekend.
[16:22] <micahg> 16:30 UTC is in 10 minutes
[16:22] <rodrigo_> yeah, right
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> 16:30 UTC. Everyone here?
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-11-02
[16:30]  * tremolux waves
[16:30] <didrocks> o/
[16:30] <pitti> o/
[16:30]  * kenvandine waves
[16:31]  * TheMuso is here.
[16:31]  * rodrigo_ is here
[16:31] <seb128> hey jcastro
[16:31] <seb128> ups
[16:31] <mterry> o/
[16:31] <seb128> hey jasoncwarner
[16:32] <jasoncwarner> Ok. I guess we can get started!
[16:32]  * pitti gets spammed with more errors in WI definitions -- thanks everyone for being quick with drafting!
[16:33] <kenvandine> :)
[16:33]  * pitti checks previous actions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-10-19 -- painfully slow network here
[16:33] <tkamppeter> hi
[16:34] <jasoncwarner> Ok, so as I understand post UDS schedules, we should be targeting today as the day we get the blueprints targeted to Natty, is that correct?
[16:35] <pitti> so, no outstanding actions AFAICS
[16:35] <jasoncwarner> Oh, I was corrected as well. First order of business
[16:35] <pitti> I already sent a reminder about this last Friday
[16:35] <jasoncwarner> We need to welcome rodrigo to the desktop team!
[16:35] <kenvandine> welcome rodrigo_!
[16:35] <pitti> basically, is everyone happy with the priorities and the spec list in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+specs?searchtext=desktop ?
[16:36] <tremolux> hey rodrigo_ !
[16:36]  * pitti hugs rodrigo_, welcome!
[16:36] <rodrigo_> hi all!!
[16:36] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_ ;)
[16:36] <rodrigo_> thank you, really happy to be on this team
[16:36] <seb128> rodrigo_, welcome!
[16:36] <didrocks> pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-dx-n-2d-experience-fallback should be essential, but it's not my spec and I can't change
[16:37] <pitti> didrocks: done
[16:37] <bryceh> welcome rodrigo_!
[16:37] <didrocks> thanks :)
[16:37] <mterry> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-opportunistic-developer-manual should be targetted for natty, but I can't change that
[16:37] <mterry> rodrigo_, hihi
[16:37] <pitti> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-oneconf also is new on the list -> Low? (didrocks <-)
[16:37] <cassidy> bigon, didrocks, seb128, kenvandine : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/663535
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663535 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Extreme poor Video Quality in Empathy (jabber) (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[16:37] <pitti> mterry: done
[16:37] <cassidy> would be nice to fix this in Maverick
[16:38] <mterry> pitti, thanks
[16:38] <didrocks> pitti: low sounds good
[16:38] <seb128> cassidy, hey, thanks, will look after the metting
[16:38] <pitti> mterry, rickspencer3: rick as approver is deliberate?
[16:38] <kenvandine> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-geoclue
[16:38] <kenvandine> should be targeted
[16:38] <mterry> pitti, I'm not sure.  What are the implications of that?
[16:38] <pitti> mterry: as long as rickspencer3 is happy to do that, that's fine
[16:39] <pitti> certainly he has a particular interest in that subject :)
[16:39] <bigon> cassidy: option A) is the best I guess?
[16:39] <mterry> pitti, I can follow up with him about it
[16:39] <pitti> kenvandine: are we really going to do that for natty?
[16:39] <cassidy> bigon, yeah
[16:39] <kenvandine> pitti, that was the plan
[16:39] <kenvandine> pitti, in a small way :)
[16:39] <pitti> kenvandine: that was already targetted to lucid/m and we postponed because it wasn't ready yet?
[16:39] <kenvandine> indicator-datetime needs it
[16:39] <pitti> kenvandine: 'k
[16:39] <kenvandine> it is ready
[16:39] <kenvandine> but we are going in very low key... simple even
[16:40] <kenvandine> :)
[16:40] <rickspencer3> maybe set it to jasoncwarner?
[16:40] <pitti> kenvandine: is that medium or high? i. e. if it turns out to be broken, do we throw resources at it to fix it or drop it?
[16:40] <seb128> pitti, it's low or medium
[16:40] <seb128> it's a nice to have but we can opt that out easily
[16:41] <pitti> jasoncwarner: (sorry for 0wning the meeting ATM, please tell me to STFU if you want to talk about something else first)
[16:41] <pitti> seb128: ack
[16:41] <seb128> it's just a "do you want to change your timezone"
[16:41] <seb128> if you travel
[16:41] <kenvandine> low
[16:41] <kenvandine> and minimal work
[16:41] <pitti> cute
[16:41] <kenvandine> the package is in good condition
[16:41] <pitti> I agree to Low, folks can change it in the panel
[16:41] <kenvandine> just need to upload ubuntu-geoip and indicator-datetime
[16:41] <seb128> pitti, you can set me as approver if you want
[16:42] <kenvandine> the rest of the "must haves" there is IS :)
[16:42] <seb128> not sure if jasoncwarner wants to approve specs yet
[16:42] <pitti> rickspencer3: reviwing the book? didrocks as approver then, perhaps?
[16:42] <seb128> or if he still needs some time to get used to our workflow etc for now
[16:42] <pitti> seb128: you are already, sounds fine
[16:42] <rickspencer3> pitti, oh? for the book, I can stay approver, whatever
[16:43] <pitti> seb128: well, spec review is a typical tech lead responsibility
[16:43] <rodrigo_> who is the tech lead?
[16:43] <pitti> the targetting/milestone planning is more of a project mgmt thing, and thus we should all do that (with Jason driving)
[16:44] <pitti> rodrigo_: I guess me again, now that I'm back; unless seb128 wants to keep it :)
[16:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, pitti
[16:44] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:44] <seb128> pitti, (meeting on friday 6pm are yours :p)
[16:44] <pitti> seb128: \o/
[16:44] <rodrigo_> hehe
[16:44] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:44] <didrocks> ahah :)
[16:44] <tremolux> haha
[16:44] <TheMuso> heh
[16:44] <kenvandine> seb128, you did a great job :)
[16:44] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks ;-)
[16:45] <pitti> with me being in ~ubuntu-release it actually makes sense for me to track our release state, that's fine
[16:45]  * pitti hugs seb128 for being an great TL last cycle
[16:45]  * tremolux applauds seb128
[16:45]  * rodrigo_ applauds too
[16:45]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[16:45] <seb128> thanks everybody
[16:45]  * didrocks hugs seb128 as well :)
[16:45] <kenvandine> :)
[16:45] <seb128> I will still watch on desktop and dx don't worry
[16:45] <kenvandine> of course :)
[16:45] <seb128> no whip but I can still assign bugs :p
[16:45] <kenvandine> seb128 always sees all
[16:46]  * didrocks hopes that his back with all the scars will disappear soon :)
[16:46] <pitti> so, everyone else happy with their assigned specs for natty and their priorities?
[16:46] <TheMuso> lol
[16:46]  * pitti tries to imagine didrocks without a back
[16:46] <didrocks> pitti: :p
[16:47] <kenvandine> haha
[16:47] <TheMuso> lol
[16:47] <pitti> aaanyway
[16:47] <pitti> so, we would like to try and be aggressive with getting our WIs ready for this cycle
[16:47] <rodrigo_> I have no blueprints assigned, although at UDS I talked about me working on a few of them, I guess that's ok, the assignee is the 'driver'?
[16:47] <pitti> since we don't have that many BPs this time (yay), I think it sohld be feasible for everyone to get the WIs on their drafted specs ready this week, and set it to "pending approval"
[16:47] <pitti> objections?
[16:48] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, yeah, you may just get work items from other blueprints
[16:48] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:48] <seb128> pitti, seems fine
[16:48] <kenvandine> pitti, wfm, i think i have them all done already :)
[16:48] <pitti> rodrigo_: "drafter" is responsible for leading the UDS session, keeping notes, and expanding into work items and documentation; assignee does the implementation
[16:48] <pitti> rodrigo_: in a lot of cases that's one and the same person, of course
[16:48] <didrocks> pitti: apart from WI, as we discussed that we don't want anymore wiki page, what do we need to fill in the dashboard for you to approve the spec?
[16:48] <pitti> rodrigo_: so you'll probably earn some WIs from other people's specs
[16:49] <pitti> for review I need
[16:49] <rodrigo_> pitti, ok then
[16:49] <pitti> - a detailled enough description to state problem, rationale, and approach to solution
[16:49] <pitti> - assignee in the desktop team
[16:49] <pitti> - work items must be clear and complete
[16:49] <seb128> \o/ on no wiki
[16:50]  * didrocks +1 on \o/ no wiki
[16:50] <pitti> IF the spec is so complex that it needs lots of explanation, feel free to link a wiki page
[16:50] <mterry> Wait, you don't want wiki links for blueprints?
[16:50] <pitti> but for most specs it shouldn't be required
[16:50] <pitti> mterry: well, s/want/require/
[16:50] <seb128> (I was not sure if somebody would complain about me not asking for wiki summary last cycle)
[16:50] <seb128> (nice to see that others agree)
[16:50] <pitti> mterry: many specs are sufficiently well described in terms of detailled WIs
[16:50] <kenvandine> mterry, let me guess, you already drafted wiki pages?
[16:50] <seb128> mterry, we just hate paperwork where it'sn not required ;-)
[16:51] <pitti> if I may quote my own spec, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint has 56 WIs and clearly states "GOAL" and extra notes
[16:51] <bryceh> wow, no wiki writeups?  interesting
[16:51] <mterry> kenvandine, :)
[16:52] <pitti> bryceh: as I said, if you want them as documentation or explanation, please do them
[16:52] <pitti> If a spec is not clear enough, I'll certainly follow up and complain :)
[16:52] <bryceh> fair enough :-)
[16:52]  * kenvandine just wishes the whiteboards in blueprints used wiki formating :/
[16:53] <kenvandine> or some kind of formating
[16:53] <pitti> one request: to allow me to sensibly track the status, please do set the status to "PENDING APPROVAL" once you are done with it and want a review
[16:53] <pitti> I WON'T look at specs in "drafting"
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> oops, meeting time :/
[16:53] <kenvandine> ok
[16:53] <pitti> ok, cool
[16:53] <kenvandine> hey chrisccoulson, i think we are done, just assigned all the specs to you :)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:53] <pitti> anything more on specs from anyone?
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> thanks \o/
[16:54]  * pitti hands back mike to jasoncwarner for going on with the agenda
[16:54] <TheMuso> u/c
[16:54] <jasoncwarner> pitti: thanks
[16:55] <jasoncwarner> that was much crisper than if I had one that ;)
[16:55] <pitti> (I guess there's not much of a partner update at this early stage)
[16:55] <kenvandine> nope
[16:55] <kenvandine> :)
[16:55] <kenvandine> planning planning planning
[16:55] <kenvandine> moving along :)
[16:55] <jasoncwarner> So, high level, we wanted to get the BPs targeted to Natty and all WIs done this week.
[16:56] <kenvandine> WIs created, not done :)
[16:56] <jasoncwarner> pitti: agreed. Anyone have anything to say on partner update?
[16:56] <cyphermox__> all WIs done this week? eep! ;)
[16:56] <pitti> cyphermox__: well, not ": DONE", just written up :)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> it seems that pitti has done most of his already ;)
[16:56] <jasoncwarner> sorry, CREATED
[16:56] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:56] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:56] <jasoncwarner> How about a Kubuntu update, is Riddell here?
[16:57] <pitti> with at most three specs each it should be feasible
[16:57] <pitti> if you have more stuff to do than you can write down in one week, you *definitively* have too much
[16:57] <Riddell> jasoncwarner: certainly am
[16:57] <Riddell> currently in the process of collating our Todo list
[16:57] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty is where it'll end up
[16:58] <Riddell> the notes from the sessions are up on the proceedings pages and I've tidied them all up now https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty
[16:58] <jasoncwarner> Riddell: awesome, thanks. timeframe for todo list? possible to get it settled this week to coincide with creation of work items?
[16:58] <Riddell> jasoncwarner: I'm doing it now, should take an hour or so
[16:59] <kenvandine> Riddell, can you also get me that bug # we had talked about?
[16:59] <pitti> Riddell: do you want me to set up a WI tracker for this, or do you and the Kubuntu community just use the wiki
[16:59] <Riddell> probably less, tidying up the session notes is what's taken most time
[16:59] <pitti> ?
[16:59] <Riddell> pitti: if you could set a WI tracker for that wiki page that would be interesting
[16:59] <Riddell> kenvandine: which one was that?
[16:59] <kenvandine> the qt one
[17:00] <pitti> Riddell: will look into that
[17:00] <kenvandine> we talked about on friday night
[17:00] <Riddell> kenvandine: which Qt bug?  (I'm jet lagged, memory not working so great..)
[17:00] <Riddell> kenvandine: oh I know
[17:00] <kenvandine> something about the look of qt apps in gtk
[17:00] <Riddell> the gnome file dialogue one
[17:00] <Riddell> yes I'll find that out
[17:00] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:00] <kenvandine> thx
[17:00] <jasoncwarner> anything else?
[17:01] <jasoncwarner> Riddell: you'll work with pitti to setup WI tracker? Is that the approach?
[17:01] <pitti> jasoncwarner: sounds like an action for me
[17:01] <Riddell> yes
[17:01] <jasoncwarner> [ACTION] pitti setup WI tracker for Kubuntu
[17:01] <jasoncwarner> Ok.
[17:01] <jasoncwarner> There is a big action I guess
[17:02] <jasoncwarner> [ACTION] everyone write their specs and get them approved (forgive if I used wrong words ;) )
[17:02] <pitti> jasoncwarner: sounds fine
[17:02] <TheMuso> Sounds about right.
[17:02] <jasoncwarner> Ok, what did we miss? Pitti? seb128? anything else we need to talk about?
[17:03] <pitti> jasoncwarner: nothing from me
[17:03] <pitti> no release status yet
[17:03] <pitti> since we don't have anything to release yet :)
[17:03] <pitti> so, that sounds like a wrap
[17:03] <seb128> jasoncwarner, nothing from me either
[17:03] <jasoncwarner> Ok, if nothing else
[17:04] <jasoncwarner> I don't have a gavle or anything to officially end a meeting
[17:04] <jasoncwarner> so, uh, end of meeting!
[17:04] <seb128> if you have some spare time this week please work on merges and sponsoring
[17:04] <pitti> not in this channel
[17:04]  * rickspencer3 hands jasoncwarner the gavel
[17:04] <pitti> in #ubuntu-meeting, there is one actually :) (#endmeeting)
[17:04] <jasoncwarner> #endmeeting
[17:04] <pitti> rickspencer3: did you hand him your whip yet?
[17:04] <jasoncwarner> :)
[17:04] <TheMuso> heh
[17:04] <rickspencer3> pitti, I have kept the whip
[17:04] <didrocks> rickspencer3: keep it, keep it :)
[17:04]  * kenvandine hears whip cracking noises
[17:04] <didrocks> \o/
[17:04] <bryceh> rickspencer3's gonna still need the whip
[17:04] <rodrigo_> seb128, merges from debian?
[17:05] <pitti> rickspencer3: right, you need it for the entire platform team now, to chase people into sponsoring
[17:05] <TheMuso> If anything, rickspencer3 will be thickening it I suspect...
[17:05] <pitti> jasoncwarner: sorry, you need to get your own
[17:05] <TheMuso> u...and adding a few more strands.
[17:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[17:05] <jasoncwarner> ;)
[17:06] <seb128> would be nice to be done with merges early and to clean the sponsoring queue a bit
[17:06] <TheMuso> Afaik there are still a lot of new merges on mom
[17:06] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner, I always said "/me taps gavel" at the end of the meeting, so I could search for it in the logs
[17:06] <pitti> didrocks: please fix "u1 team" and "necessita" assignees in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-oneconf
[17:06] <rodrigo_> necessita? :D
[17:06] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I'll chase for people now (there is also a dx team) :)
[17:07] <jasoncwarner> rickspencer3: good idea, I just searched for #endmeeting, but you're right...
[17:07] <pitti> didrocks: same for "armel team" in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-bringing-desktop-and-netbook-image-closer -- please assign to a person; team assignments don't really work for whip cracking :0
[17:07] <jasoncwarner> rickspencer3: perhaps we can wrap the meeting with xml style opening and closing braces <sarcasm> meeting </sarcasm> ? That appropriate? ;)
[17:07] <pitti> jasoncwarner: #endmeeting is a mootbot command (like [ACTION], but it's not running here
[17:07] <rodrigo_> didrocks, instead of u1 team, use 'chipaca', and he'll assign it to somebody to do the actual work
[17:08] <didrocks> rodrigo_: ok, great! I'll assign to dbarth for dx team as well then :)
[17:08] <Chipaca> indeed
[17:08] <pitti> didrocks: finally, "charline" doesn't exist in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-coherent-behavior-for-apps-in-messagingmenu
[17:08] <rodrigo_> didrocks, oh, or you can just say 'chipaca' on irc and he shows up :D
[17:08] <Chipaca> as if by magic
[17:08] <rodrigo_> yeah
[17:08] <kenvandine> magic!
[17:08] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, same. I wasn't sure it was triggering bugs for you, but I can't find her on LP
[17:09] <didrocks> so, it's was more "WIP"
[17:10] <seb128> didrocks, assign to ivanka I guess :p
[17:10] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, let's do that and see what happens :)
[17:11] <Riddell> pitti: this has an action item for RAOF, how do I get it onto his WI list? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-kubuntu-n-x
[17:11] <didrocks> pitti: done done, done and done :)
[17:12]  * pitti hugs Riddell
[17:12] <pitti> and didrocks
[17:12]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[17:12] <pitti> Riddell: it should already be
[17:12] <didrocks> no objection that I rename "UNE update" to "Unity update" in the meeting template?
[17:12] <pitti> Riddell: except that it's "raof"
[17:13] <Riddell> pitti: how does it know to include that blueprint?
[17:15] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ok, so what you needed then in json-glib?
[17:15] <didrocks> (I will take it as a "no" :))
[17:24] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, just handle the parsing of it and produce an easier data type to return
[17:25] <kenvandine> so now you have to figure out what the root node type is and iterate over it, figuring out if there is nested types, etc
[17:25] <kenvandine> so maybe produce a hash table with <string,GLib.Value?> or something
[17:25] <ari-tczew> does Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, firefox | abrowser | www-browser makes sense in natty? firefox is not enough?
[17:25] <ricotz> rodrigo_, please use debian source format 3.0 for new packages like gsettings-desktop-schemas ;)
[17:26] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, where that value could be a nested hash table if needed
[17:26] <kenvandine> something like that
[17:26] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson: around?
[17:26] <kenvandine> just takes a fair bit of code to figure out the right way to parse the json
[17:26] <jcastro> rodrigo_: are you working on the banshee U1 store issues?
[17:26] <kenvandine> depending on if the root object is a json array, etc
[17:27] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ok, I'll have a look at the code and see what can be done
[17:27] <kenvandine> ok
[17:27] <rodrigo_> jcastro, no
[17:28] <ari-tczew> seb128: are you going to merge gnome* related packages in universe?
[17:28] <rodrigo_> jcastro, but I guess I should, if nobody else does
[17:28] <seb128> ari-tczew, who is you?
[17:28] <rodrigo_> Chipaca, ^^(banshee U1 fixes)
[17:28] <seb128> the team or me?
[17:28] <jcastro> rodrigo_: ok, do we have a list of regressions vs. the rhythmbox store? I know it's not exactly a 1 to 1 port.
[17:28] <seb128> ari-tczew, I doubt we will
[17:29] <seb128> well as time depends but we will probably be busy enough
[17:29] <rodrigo_> jcastro, I know of a few bits, but it would be cool if someone did a real test of both to produce a list
[17:29] <Chipaca> aquarius has done something like that
[17:29] <Chipaca> aquarius: do you have a "list of regressions"?
[17:29] <ari-tczew> seb128: what do you want to know about me? MOTU member. I just saw your words: [18:06] <seb128> would be nice to be done with merges early and to clean the sponsoring queue a bit
[17:29] <Chipaca> aquarius: in my mind it's just "make the code better, and add u1mslinks"
[17:30] <seb128> ari-tczew, ? not sure to understand the question
[17:30] <didrocks> Chipaca: also the dummy mp3 panel if we don't have mp3 support at start to trigger the codec download
[17:30] <seb128> ari-tczew, oh, I was wondering if the "you" in your question was for me or the team
[17:31] <seb128> ari-tczew, I didn't ask who you are ;-)
[17:31] <seb128> sorry if that was not clear
[17:31] <ari-tczew> seb128: ok no problem
[17:31] <Chipaca> didrocks: and that
[17:31] <aquarius> Chipaca, so far it all works, other than u1mslinks, and I am shortly going to try actually buying a record to confirm that that works. Extra work: mp3 codec installer, u1mslinks, tweak to gconf to enable music store by default, add banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore package by default.
[17:31] <seb128> ari-tczew, well, feel free to claim universe merges, there is enough work for everybody
[17:32] <didrocks> aquarius: it's the xml file, not gconf to enable it by defaut
[17:32] <ari-tczew> seb128: ok. do you want to clean up sponsors queue?
[17:32] <aquarius> didrocks, yeah, an xml snippet somewhere, agreed
[17:32] <seb128> ari-tczew, well, not me alone but yes we should clean it
[17:32] <Chipaca> jcastro: and, I've asked dobey to look into improving the quality of the plugin where and as needed, and will have mandel (and/or dobey -- it's not for a couple of months) add the missing bits
[17:32] <ari-tczew> seb128: I'm also on it.
[17:33] <seb128> ok great
[17:33] <jcastro> dobey: ok if you need something fixed in upstream banshee tag it with "ubuntu" in the whiteboard on upstream bgo.
[17:34] <jcastro> ^^ that goes for anyone who finds transition bugs in banshee
[17:34] <jcastro> the faster we triage them in upstream bgo the more time we'll have
[17:37] <seb128> jcastro, define transition?
[17:37] <seb128> jcastro, should we tag any bug forwarded from launchpad?
[17:37] <seb128> or just specific ones for things which work in rb and not banshee?
[17:38] <jcastro> seb128: transition specific ones, specifically ones which need to have parity with rb.
[17:38] <seb128> ok
[17:38] <jcastro> basically the things we discussed at the sessions
[17:38] <didrocks> thinking on that, we didn't discuss transitionning library, do we?
[17:38] <didrocks> (library as in "music library")
[17:38] <jcastro> we've been shipping the importer for like 2/3 releases at least
[17:39] <jcastro> that should be "2 or 3", not two-thirds!
[17:39] <didrocks> is it working fine? (we should have a look at bad interaction with u1 specifically)
[17:39] <jcastro> I think we should test it for sure
[17:39] <jcastro> let me add a needs-help wi in the spec for that
[17:39] <didrocks> jcastro: thanks :)
[17:43] <Riddell> jasoncwarner: our lengthy todo list https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[17:46] <didrocks> jcastro: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-dx-n-unity-places should be targetted to Natty
[17:48] <jasoncwarner> Riddell: awesome. Can you update the wiki with a link to that for posterity? thanks.
[17:49] <jcastro> didrocks: done
[17:50] <didrocks> jcastro: thanks!
[17:51] <Riddell> jasoncwarner: update the wiki?  it is the wiki
[17:53] <jasoncwarner> Riddell: sorry, the team meeting recap wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-11-02 under the kubuntu section
[17:54] <Riddell> gotcha
[17:55] <pitti> Riddell: it knows that raof is a member of the desktop team
[17:56] <Riddell> pitti: ok but doesn't it need to be pointed at natty or something?
[17:56] <pitti> Riddell: it does, es
[17:56] <pitti> "yes"
[18:04] <pitti> Riddell: targetted to natty now
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> has anyone upgraded to natty yet?
[18:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: me
[18:10] <cyphermox__> chrisccoulson,  i did
[18:10] <pitti> since last Friday evening
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> oh, i guess i should do as well :)
[18:11] <pitti> but of course nothing really interesting happened yet, by and large some merges and new kernel
[18:11] <cyphermox__> I don't regret it... lots of things seem to not compile
[18:12] <pitti> cyphermox__: due to gcc 4.5 being stricter?
[18:13] <cyphermox__> pitti, I guess.
[18:13] <cyphermox__> NM wasn't happy, neither were gtkhtml and evolution-data-server so far
[18:14] <didrocks> sport and dinner, see you tomorrow guys :)
[18:14] <pitti> night didrocks
[18:14] <cyphermox__> didrocks, night!
[18:14]  * pitti throws new cdbs with automatic SVG compression nattywards
[18:15] <cyphermox__> wooo!
[18:15] <didrocks> night pitti, cyphermox__ :)
[18:15] <didrocks> pitti: great!
[18:18] <dobey> Chipaca, aquarius: i think there's some odd differences in how it deals with adding stuff to the library, as well
[18:19] <fta> chrisccoulson, beside a daily update-apt-xapian-index crash, some annoying python warnings (like in bzr), some weird chromium session breakage, and of course the xul/ff lockdown you know about, natty is fine for me :P
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> fta - heh, i'll be using all the mozilla builds from maverick for the time being ;)
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> although, i'll probably switch off -pie later to stop the hanging
[18:20] <fta> oh, emacs23 weird too, if you use that
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> nah, i don't use that
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> vim ftw :)
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> wooh, over 1GB to download
[18:21] <fta> vim for quick edits, emacs for real development
[18:26] <mterry> seb128, natty version of gtk3 with gir in PPA (and code in lp:~mterry/+junk/ubuntugtk3)
[18:28] <seb128> mterry, waouh!
[18:28] <seb128> mterry, did you get any luck with the gir question?
[18:29] <seb128> mterry, I will review it tomorrow morning (gtk3)
[18:29] <seb128> if I spot nothing let's upload tomorrow
[18:29] <mterry> seb128, no luck
[18:29] <mterry> k
[18:31] <ricotz> mterry, just a minor thing
[18:32] <ricotz> mterry, the libgtk3.0-0.symbols shouldnt include things like "2.91.2-0ubuntu1~build1"
[18:32] <mterry> ricotz, I agree.  Should be just 2.91.2
[18:32] <ricotz> yes
[18:32] <mterry> ricotz, I let some slip in?  Hrm
[18:32] <Sarvatt_> ok so tomorrow's the day we should stop updating natty if we want a working system? :)
[18:33] <seb128> Sarvatt_, no, new gtk is a separate version
[18:33] <seb128> nothing will really use it before a month at least
[18:33] <seb128> we will build the stack around it first
[18:33] <seb128> mterry, sorry closed the dialog, did you reply?
[18:33] <seb128> to the gir question
[18:33] <ricotz> Sarvatt_, yeah like kernel 2.6.37-rc1 ;-)
[18:33] <seb128> mterry, how do you update the symbol file?
[18:34] <mterry> seb128, either by hand or copy the new one over and sed away the suffixes for the versions
[18:35] <mterry> seb128, I said "no luck" (re: my gir question) and "k" (re: review/upload tomorrow)
[18:35] <seb128> mterry, you should use dpkg-gensymbols -v
[18:35] <seb128> dpkg-gensymbols -v2.91.2
[18:35] <mterry> seb128, well fancy fancy
[18:35] <seb128> I usually copy the log line when it fails, add the -v and -O
[18:35] <seb128> then debuild binary
[18:35] <seb128> then after the build copy the .symbols over
[18:36] <mterry> seb128, ricotz: bzr blame indicts didrocks
[18:37] <mterry> I'll fix and push to branch
[18:37] <seb128> thanks
[18:38] <mterry> done
[19:05] <bryceh> pitti, I think I found your twin:  http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bismark_e_voting_without_fraud.html
[19:06] <pitti> haha
[19:39] <kklimonda_> seb128: are debian gnome packagers still use cdbs or are they switching to dh7? Or, if I'd like to help them on packaging gtkmm 2.22.0 (which requires me to create a new package for atkm) should I use cdbs, dh7 or just ask the current maintainer?
[19:39] <seb128> better to use the same build system than gtkmm
[19:39] <kklimonda_> ok
[19:40] <seb128> thanks for working on that update
[19:40] <seb128> it's one of the one we didn't do last cycle and which would be nice to get
[19:42] <TheMuso> Happy to work on atkmm, as we may end up using it for unity.
[19:44] <TheMuso> kklimonda_: Do ou know if there is any existing packaging for atkmm anywhere?
[19:45] <kklimonda_> TheMuso: I couldn't find it anywhere, there is also no ITP bug on bts
[19:46] <TheMuso> kklimonda_: ah ok.
[19:47] <kklimonda_> TheMuso: by anywhere I mean their svn repository - I've sent an email to maintainer (and gnome packager group on alioth) asking about it but I didn't get an answer yet so I've decided to ask some initial questions. I'll probably wait till weekend before I do any real work in case if someone has been working on a branch privately.
[19:48] <TheMuso> kklimonda_: Fair enough.
[19:50] <TheMuso> Worth noting that atkmm used to be part of gtkmm.
[19:50]  * TheMuso was able to build it here with little effort.
[20:06] <Sir_Konrad> Ok I'm back. I can view the meeting's transcript on the wiki?
[20:07] <pitti> Sir_Konrad: irc.ubuntu.com has logs
[20:08] <Sir_Konrad> ok thanks pitti. Any chance Jono Bacon comes in here?
[20:08] <pitti> Sir_Konrad: try #ubuntu-devel
[20:08] <Sir_Konrad> ok. Thanks. :)
[20:09] <seb128> he's on this channel...
[20:09] <jono> Sir_Konrad, hey
[20:09] <Sir_Konrad> Hey jono!
[20:09] <jono> hey Sir_Konrad!
[20:10] <Sir_Konrad> jono, just wanted to thank you for all the great work you've done, and I have to say FLOSS Weekly isn't worth listening to anymore. :P
[20:11] <jono> Sir_Konrad, thanks so much, the work is really the folks in here, not me :-)
[20:11] <jono> I just help the community to do their thing :)
[20:12] <Sir_Konrad> jono, ah still, you really helped pull me into the art of community. ;)
[20:13] <jono> Sir_Konrad, thanks, so much! glad you enjoyed it :-)
[20:14] <chmrr> Can someone take a gander at merging https://code.launchpad.net/~broder/gnome-terminal/fix-37767/+merge/39887 ?
[20:15] <Sir_Konrad> whoa sorry about that jono and everyone else. o.O
[20:16] <Sir_Konrad> yeah anyway jono, thanks again. Can't wait to start working on 11.04 with everyone this go around.
[20:16] <jono> Sir_Konrad, awesome, hope to see you participating in Ubuntu :-)
[20:17] <Sir_Konrad> Oh I will be jono. I'll be active in a lot of these channels for awhile, so I guess I'll see you around. ;)
[20:17] <jono> Sir_Konrad, sweet!
[20:17] <jono> have fun!
[20:17] <Sir_Konrad> Thanks jono! See ya around. :)
[20:18] <jono> bye!
[20:18] <Sir_Konrad> Bye. :D
[20:19] <Sir_Konrad> I'll brb everyone, switching into Unity
[20:33] <Sir_Konrad> eh... something tells me Maverick and Unity are built for eachother. Lucid and Unity... not so much.
[21:19] <kenvandine> seb128, can you sponsor lp:~ken-vandine/ubuntu/maverick/x264/maverick-proposed
[21:19] <kenvandine>  ?
[21:19] <kenvandine> for bug 663535
[21:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663535 in x264 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Extreme poor Video Quality in Empathy (jabber) (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663535
[21:20]  * kenvandine heads afk for a bit
[21:29] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, will do
[21:36] <Sir_Konrad> so how do I become part of the desktop team?
[21:41] <seb128> Sir_Konrad, contribute to desktop work there
[21:41] <seb128> work on fixing issues and send patches for those
[21:41] <seb128> or work on updates
[21:41] <Sir_Konrad> seb128, ah ok.
[21:41] <seb128> or work on merges from debian
[21:48] <Sir_Konrad> thanks seb128
[21:48] <Sir_Konrad> brb
[22:40] <lamalex> evolution keeps segfaulting :\
[22:49] <robert_ancell> rodrigo_, hey
[23:35] <rodrigo_> hey robert_ancell
[23:37] <Sir_Konrad> hey rodrigo_
[23:37] <rodrigo_> hi Sir_Konrad
[23:37] <Sir_Konrad> what's up?
[23:38] <rodrigo_> nothing really, just checking mail before going to sleep :)
[23:38] <Sir_Konrad> rodrigo_, :)
[23:59] <robert_ancell> rodrigo_, hey, was wondering what you were doing up :)
[23:59] <rodrigo_> robert_ancell, now? :)