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| czajkowski | .c | 11:24 |
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| jpds | .py | 11:25 |
| nigelb | .rb | 12:03 |
| UndiFineD | .rexx | 12:51 |
| davidm | persia, you about? | 13:00 |
| davidm | NCommander, ?? | 13:01 |
| davidm | rsalveti, you about? | 13:02 |
| davidm | GrueMaster, you about? | 13:02 |
| GrueMaster | Present in body, caffeine will take care of the rest. | 13:03 |
| davidm | At this point it looks like you and I are the only folks from the team present | 13:03 |
| mpoirier | you have your faitfull kernel team representative... | 13:04 |
| davidm | Ah good enough | 13:04 |
| davidm | #startmeeting | 13:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 08:04. The chair is davidm. | 13:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 13:04 |
| davidm | Given that almost no one is here, it will be a quick meeting | 13:04 |
| davidm | [topic] kernel status | 13:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: kernel status | 13:04 |
| mpoirier | nothing to report as it was UDS last week. | 13:05 |
| mpoirier | still working on SGX driver in kernel. | 13:05 |
| davidm | beat me too it | 13:05 |
| davidm | :-) | 13:05 |
| davidm | Anything we need to take action on? | 13:05 |
| mpoirier | not that I can see. | 13:06 |
| davidm | OK thanks for the update | 13:06 |
| davidm | [topic] QA status | 13:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA status | 13:06 |
| davidm | GrueMaster, any thing to report? | 13:06 |
| GrueMaster | Nothing new here as I was on vacation. | 13:06 |
| GrueMaster | Missed UDS. Still trying to connect to gobby to review UDS notes. | 13:07 |
| GrueMaster | Nothing else. | 13:07 |
| davidm | OK | 13:07 |
| GrueMaster | I'm surprised ogra and persia are not here, but I guess they are at plumbers. | 13:08 |
| nigelb | GrueMaster: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/ might help instead of Gobbby. | 13:08 |
| GrueMaster | ok | 13:08 |
| davidm | ogra is traveling to plumbers today as I will be soonish | 13:09 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/ | 13:09 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/ | 13:09 |
| GrueMaster | Yea, figured that. | 13:09 |
| davidm | [topic] Any other business | 13:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any other business | 13:09 |
| davidm | NCommander, is having connectivity problems and can't connect to Freescale :-( | 13:10 |
| GrueMaster | You mean freenode? | 13:10 |
| davidm | GrueMaster, yes, bloody spelling corrector | 13:10 |
| GrueMaster | heh | 13:10 |
| davidm | Freenode | 13:11 |
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| davidm | If there is nothing else from anyone then I'll call the meeting for today... | 13:11 |
| davidm | close the meeting going once........... | 13:12 |
| davidm | close the meeting going twice..... | 13:13 |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 13:14 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 08:14. | 13:14 |
| GrueMaster | Safe trip to Boston. | 13:15 |
| davidm | Thanks GrueMaster I hope to, I'll leave here in a couple of hours | 13:15 |
| kees | \o | 13:58 |
| kees | cjohnston, mdz: tb meeting? | 14:01 |
| pitti | is it now or in 1 h? | 14:01 |
| pitti | I'm good wit heither | 14:01 |
| pitti | kees: ITYM cjwatson :) | 14:02 |
| kees | cjohnston: sorry :) | 14:02 |
| mdz | I updated the calendar to be +1h | 14:02 |
| mdz | which is what we usually do on DST | 14:02 |
| pitti | matter of definition; 1400 UTC? | 14:02 |
| kees | mdz: so the tb meeting is tied to UK time, not UTC? when is it in UTC? | 14:02 |
| persia | It's historically been tied to UK time | 14:03 |
| mdz | kees, that's how it's been historically, though the members were all on UK time the last time we discussed it I think ;-) | 14:03 |
| kees | I could have slept another hour. | 14:03 |
| mdz | I have a priority call right now but could lurk if you want to start | 14:04 |
| mdz | it's the chair's decision | 14:04 |
| kees | since the meeting is generally for other people, linking it to UTC makes more sense. | 14:04 |
| kees | I'll wait an hour; we don't have half the board at the moment anyway. | 14:04 |
| kees | pitti, mdz, cjwatson: tb meeting take 2? (still no sabdfl nor keybuk) | 15:01 |
| mdz | kees, sabdfl and I are on a conf call which should be wrapping up shortly. please go ahead and start | 15:01 |
| * pitti waves, take II | 15:01 | |
| kees | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is kees. | 15:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | hi | 15:01 |
| kees | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 15:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 15:01 |
| kees | [topic] action review | 15:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: action review | 15:01 |
| kees | * Colin to ensure that documentation on nature of extras.ubuntu.com archive makes it into process docs, and ensure that ARB legality checks are synchronised with those of ubuntu-archive. | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | I haven't done this, largely due to UDS - please carry it over | 15:02 |
| kees | okay, thanks | 15:02 |
| kees | * to follow up with Brian on 174375 | 15:02 |
| kees | afaiu, the work from the LP side on this is done now. | 15:02 |
| kees | mdz: any notes on this? | 15:03 |
| sabdfl | hello techboard | 15:03 |
| mdz | kees, he mentioned to me at UDS that it was almost done | 15:03 |
| pitti | hey Mr. General of a verrry small countrrrry! | 15:03 |
| mdz | (bdmurray did) | 15:03 |
| mdz | I think there was one more thing which needed to be changed, and it was configuration rather than code | 15:04 |
| sabdfl | privet tovarisch | 15:04 |
| kees | mdz: should this action be removed? | 15:04 |
| mdz | kees, yes ir | 15:04 |
| mdz | sir | 15:04 |
| kees | heh, okay, noted. | 15:04 |
| kees | [topic] Dynamic "per package upload permissions" for Debian Developers | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Dynamic "per package upload permissions" for Debian Developers | 15:04 |
| kees | [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2010-October/000109.html | 15:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2010-October/000109.html | 15:04 |
| kees | this would need soyuz support as well as our sign-off. | 15:05 |
| pitti | do we already have a proposal there, or do we start from just this mail? | 15:05 |
| kees | I cannot find a TB propsal anywhere | 15:05 |
| sabdfl | i don't think this wants to be automated | 15:05 |
| pitti | I like the idea of allowing DDs Ubuntu uploads for their packages upon request, but they should at least confirm that they understand our release cycle and freezes | 15:06 |
| sabdfl | scripted for ease of execution, perhaps | 15:06 |
| sabdfl | and guidelined as policy | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | I also don't think it should be entirely automated, but I do think it should be easier than it is now | 15:06 |
| sabdfl | but i do think the DMB or an analog needs to engage with the DD in question | 15:06 |
| pitti | i. e. I'm happy to waive the detailled sponsor feedback, etc. | 15:06 |
| persia | Could it be automated for DDs who are ~ubuntu-dev but not for other DDs, or are there ogre-model concerns? | 15:06 |
| kees | how is this really different than just a sync request? | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | in particular I would like to take the "write up justification and attend IRC meeting" bit out of the equation, and perhaps have something more e-mail-based | 15:06 |
| pitti | cjwatson +1 | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Debian developers aren't as used to the IRC-meeting bit as we are | 15:06 |
| sabdfl | +1 for folks already in ~ubuntu-dev, and +1 for bypassing the meeting cadence in favour of a straight email process | 15:07 |
| pitti | also, the primary point there is to understand how/that we need to merge and to obey feature/string freezes etc. | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | kees: I can easily imagine situations where the Debian developer wants to help out with the merge, say | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | or where they know that some different chunk of code is needed for Ubuntu | 15:07 |
| kees | cjwatson: yeah, true | 15:07 |
| kees | cjwatson: the edges of this system are a bit vague. I'm not sure I see an "easy" technical solution beyond the existing upload permissions. | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | kees: full automation would need Soyuz support, but if we had (say) the DMB in the loop then we could do it using our existing ACL facilities | 15:08 |
| sabdfl | should we anticipate differences of opinion, and ways to deal with them? for example, branding and cadence | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | although the scripting would be fiddly | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | differences of opinion is my main concern. I don't want to block on it because I don't want to assume bad faith, but I agree we need to think about it | 15:09 |
| sabdfl | we could pre-empt this with a nice form email to the DD when they were brought on, along the lines of "things to consider when working across both Debian and Ubuntu" | 15:09 |
| pitti | cjwatson: something like a script which adds ACLs to all packages where the requestor is in Uploaders: or XSBC-Original-Maintainer: or Maintainer: ? | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | perhaps simply make it clear up-front that this facility isn't so that Debian developers can revert deliberate Ubuntu changes they don't like | 15:09 |
| sabdfl | right | 15:09 |
| sabdfl | working here is working with us | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | pitti: probably somewhat interactive, but some kind of lplib-based thing, yes | 15:10 |
| sabdfl | 99.9% of participation would be good faith, i expect | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | I agree | 15:10 |
| kees | I think that if a DD is involved enough to want to help with merges, then they're ready for per-package upload rights. I don't think its sane to have an automatic method for DDs to just upload their packages, though. | 15:10 |
| pitti | I agree | 15:10 |
| sabdfl | what about UDD permissions and DD's? | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | I think those are hooked off ArchivePermissions, and if they aren't then they should be | 15:11 |
| kees | alright, sounds like a formal proposal should be emailed to TB? | 15:11 |
| sabdfl | sounds good | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | we should think about communication too | 15:12 |
| pitti | seems we already pretty much agree about the scope and shape of this? | 15:12 |
| kees | yeah | 15:12 |
| sabdfl | details details details matter, proposal would make sure | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | perhaps talk with Stefano about whether this is appropriate for debian-devel-announce, etc. | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | I agree in general, devil in the details | 15:13 |
| kees | [topic] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | (debian-devel-announce> at a bare minimum I'm sure it would be OK for DeveloperNews, which is batched up and e-mailed to d-d-a every so often) | 15:13 |
| kees | [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-October/000519.html | 15:14 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-October/000519.html | 15:14 |
| kees | Micro release exception request for Chromium | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | BTW, I'll follow up to Sylvestre on the list and say that we're discussing this | 15:14 |
| kees | I'm in support of the micro release exception for Chromium. fta acknowledged the need to not backport all packaging changes, etc, and I think that was the only remaining concern. | 15:15 |
| sabdfl | fta's analysis of past updates suggests he's fully on top of the SRU rationale and how it may map to Chromium | 15:15 |
| sabdfl | +1 from me | 15:15 |
| pitti | +1 from me as well (I think I already said so on the list) | 15:16 |
| mdz | yes, I thought this was more or less agreed on the list | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | the last time we discussed this we were just waiting for a formal proposal, so I'm fine | 15:16 |
| kees | okay, I'll make note, we're at +4 which is sufficient. | 15:17 |
| kees | anyone see anything else from the list that needs attention currently? | 15:17 |
| kees | [topic] Quarterly Brainstorm review | 15:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Quarterly Brainstorm review | 15:18 |
| kees | [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html | 15:18 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html | 15:18 |
| mdz | so I've done a tiny bit of preparation on this | 15:18 |
| mdz | i.e. reviewed the brainstorm content and picked out some candidates | 15:19 |
| mdz | unsurprisingly, the content is dominated by client topics | 15:19 |
| mdz | as opposed to server | 15:19 |
| pitti | (not yet mid-november, but sure) | 15:19 |
| mdz | there is a server category, but there is so little there (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/server/most_popular_6_months/) that I'm not sure it is worth it | 15:20 |
| kees | we could select now, and take action by mid-nov | 15:20 |
| mdz | we're doing this the first time so we could use the slack ;-) | 15:20 |
| kees | agreed | 15:20 |
| mdz | shall I run through them? | 15:20 |
| kees | should we do that in IRC or email? | 15:20 |
| kees | (how many are there?) | 15:21 |
| mdz | we don't need to make decisions on them here, but I'd like to just discuss a bit so that we understand the scope | 15:21 |
| mdz | I pulled out the top 10 | 15:21 |
| mdz | based on 6-month popularity | 15:21 |
| mdz | #1 is power management | 15:21 |
| mdz | I think there is implicit acknowledgement that this could be improved | 15:22 |
| mdz | and some good work in progress which we can highlight | 15:22 |
| pitti | are we still doing so bad there? (except for this "load balancing tick" causing a million wakeups) | 15:22 |
| mdz | e.g. what Linaro is doing | 15:22 |
| mdz | pitti, I still need to take a lot of manual steps to get good battery life on an airplane | 15:22 |
| mdz | e.g. SIGSTOP to my web browser, USB autosuspend, etc. | 15:22 |
| pitti | hm; of course there's always more stuff that we can do, but it wouldn't have been the first thing that I had named on "what are the most pressing problems" | 15:23 |
| mdz | pitti, the point isn't to judge whether we agree or not, but to respond to an inquiry from our user base | 15:23 |
| pitti | mdz: right, no doubt here; as I said, I was just surprised | 15:24 |
| mdz | some thousands of people voted this up saying they were interested | 15:24 |
| mdz | so I suggest we ask someone to write up a few paragraphs about the state of things | 15:24 |
| mdz | #2 is about IP address conflicts | 15:24 |
| mdz | which seems a very niche problem to me | 15:24 |
| mdz | but I wonder if it's something which is more common than we realize | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | URL? | 15:25 |
| mdz | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25648/ | 15:25 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25648/ | 15:25 |
| mdz | my suggestion would be that we get some data, e.g. run a poll to ask people if they've ever had this problem | 15:25 |
| mdz | #3 is a suggestion to automatically select the username in gdm if there is only one choice | 15:26 |
| mdz | which seems very sensible to me, and is something we could pass on to the design team | 15:26 |
| kees | sounds like autoipd isn't working? or education is needed about link-local and mDNS use of .local ? | 15:26 |
| persia | My previous experience in moderate-sized corporate environments indicates that misconfigured DHCP can cause this to be very frequent. | 15:26 |
| pitti | #3 was discussed at length already actually | 15:26 |
| pitti | I'm fine doing a writeup for this | 15:26 |
| mdz | ok | 15:26 |
| pitti | kees: it's about manual IPs | 15:26 |
| pitti | i. e. a very niche problem IMHO | 15:26 |
| mdz | #4 suggests having a different icon for .deb packages, because they currently look a lot like zip files | 15:26 |
| kees | pitti: right, there should be no reason to use manual IPs, but sure, people still do | 15:26 |
| mdz | but are actually something much more volatile | 15:27 |
| mdz | I don't know where the current icons come from, but we could certainly pass on this suggestion to the upstream for those icons | 15:27 |
| pitti | or to our artwork team | 15:27 |
| sabdfl | it's good feedback for MPT and we can accommodate it | 15:27 |
| mdz | if they happen to be the upstream, yes. I'm not sure | 15:27 |
| pitti | (for our default theme) | 15:27 |
| sabdfl | (the network bit) | 15:27 |
| pitti | this still makes me wonder how useful that prioritization is | 15:28 |
| sabdfl | we're also about to start work on a new icon theme | 15:28 |
| mdz | #5 is a suggestion to keep the system clock synchronized with internet time servers | 15:28 |
| pitti | upgrades with nvidia driver breaks for tens of thousands of users | 15:28 |
| mdz | which is interesting because, of course, we already do | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | I think #5 is just a bug - ntpdate is installed by default | 15:28 |
| sabdfl | and can accommodate the package icon piece too | 15:28 |
| mdz | cjwatson, I think it's more subtle than that | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | I've noticed it occasionally not working right for me, but have never got as far as investigating | 15:28 |
| sabdfl | mdz: the ntpdate pieces are clunky | 15:28 |
| mdz | I think people don't realize how it currently works | 15:28 |
| mdz | and also, there is a setting in the UI which asks if you want your clock synchronized | 15:28 |
| mdz | which does something different, which is NOT enabled by default | 15:28 |
| mdz | so maybe we give people the wrong impression | 15:28 |
| sabdfl | we do | 15:29 |
| mdz | so I think this certainly would benefit from a response, and possibly from some fine-tuning the UI | 15:29 |
| pitti | mdz: we'll actually remove that part (from gnome-system-tools) | 15:29 |
| mdz | #6 is a suggestion to "Help the user understand when closing a window does not close the app" | 15:29 |
| sabdfl | this could definitely use work, both in the UI and in the behaviour of ntpdate and in the relationship of that and ntpd | 15:29 |
| mdz | pitti, ok, so more cutting out than fine tuning ;-) | 15:29 |
| cjwatson | mdz: you missed one, "GNOME System Monitor lacks in-depth information" | 15:29 |
| mdz | this presumably refers to things like rhythmbox and banshee which have weird close button behavior | 15:29 |
| mdz | cjwatson, ah, sorry | 15:30 |
| pitti | and I don't think that configuring a local NTP server is an appropritate thing to prominently advocate on a desktop system | 15:30 |
| pitti | (with ntpdate already in place) | 15:30 |
| sabdfl | ntpdate currently runs only on ifup iirc | 15:30 |
| mdz | I'm not sure I understand that one; it seems like a solution in search of a problem | 15:30 |
| pitti | mdz: #6> there was a natty spec for this | 15:30 |
| sabdfl | well, we now have a way of showing that they are still running, which is a start | 15:30 |
| mdz | pitti, yes, I thought there would be some good links to respond with | 15:31 |
| mdz | any thoughts on the GNOME system monitor thing? let's call that #7 | 15:31 |
| mdz | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25887/ | 15:31 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25887/ | 15:31 |
| mdz | I think this is an "I can do this in windows" item | 15:32 |
| mdz | for the GUI power user | 15:32 |
| sabdfl | i'd prefer it to open as a tab in the same window | 15:32 |
| sabdfl | but yes, we could put that out as a call to action | 15:33 |
| mdz | if I were responding, I'd say "we'd be happy to see this added if someone is interested in implementing it" | 15:33 |
| mdz | and offer mentoring | 15:33 |
| sabdfl | +1 | 15:33 |
| pitti | right, should be rather straightforward to get this from /proc | 15:33 |
| mdz | #8 suggests that software centre should purge packages rather than just removing them | 15:33 |
| * kees nods | 15:33 | |
| mdz | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24963/ | 15:33 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24963/ | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | I think we should pass this to the software-center folks for design wowrk | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | *work | 15:33 |
| kees | for desktop, I would tend to agree about purge | 15:33 |
| pitti | it's not something I'd like the desktop team to do, though (since we have much bigger problems to attack) | 15:33 |
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| pitti | happy to mentor, though | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | it's obviously not as simple as something that can always be one way or the other | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | (well, obvious to me anyway :-) ) | 15:34 |
| pitti | my last stanza was for #7 (sorry, lagged) | 15:34 |
| sabdfl | kees: because it makes it easier to "reset" by removing and reinstalling? | 15:34 |
| mdz | it would be great to get someone knowledgeable about the inner workings of the packaging system to explain the subtlety a bit | 15:34 |
| mdz | and get input from the software centre team about what they think | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | and I think it relates to future work for integrating computer-janitor into s-c (although the item does note that c-j doesn't fill the need either) | 15:34 |
| mdz | it's definitely not a JFDI sort of item | 15:34 |
| sabdfl | no | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | I think the requestors know the difference between remove and purge, or they wouldn't be asking | 15:35 |
| kees | sabdfl: yeah, it results in a slightly cleaner slate. for server, though, I think it is a marginally dangerous default. | 15:35 |
| mdz | but deserves a response | 15:35 |
| sabdfl | anyone admining a server can make smart choices | 15:35 |
| sabdfl | and isn't using software center | 15:35 |
| cjwatson | ... yet | 15:35 |
| sabdfl | :) | 15:35 |
| mdz | we don't need to debate it here, just getting an idea of what sort of response we might want to get | 15:35 |
| * persia mumbles about home NAS devices | 15:35 | |
| mdz | continuing on | 15:35 |
| mdz | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25417/ | 15:36 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25417/ | 15:36 |
| sabdfl | mdz: was there anything about version controlled /etc? | 15:36 |
| mdz | making Ubuntu One sync status a bit more transparent | 15:36 |
| mdz | sabdfl, sort of | 15:36 |
| mdz | I think it's reasonable to want the system state to be visible wrt U1 file sync | 15:36 |
| mdz | and that we should pass this feedback on to the U1 team and get their take | 15:36 |
| sabdfl | yes | 15:36 |
| sabdfl | timely | 15:37 |
| mdz | the final one of these 10 is multimedia performance | 15:37 |
| mdz | which I have to say I'm wondering about myself as well | 15:37 |
| mdz | because some important use cases regressed for me in 10.10 | 15:37 |
| mdz | certain types of video playback (like DVD) are noticeably slower | 15:37 |
| sabdfl | under mutter only, or default desktop too? | 15:38 |
| mdz | I don't know about mutter | 15:38 |
| mdz | but definitely in desktop edition | 15:38 |
| kees | okay, so response crafting via email, or as a TODO for discussion next time? | 15:39 |
| mdz | any guesses who might be able to look into this? | 15:39 |
| mdz | it might turn out to be a bug, or at least a "we're sorry" | 15:39 |
| mdz | though the comments are all over the map, including "pulseaudio is a waste of cpu" type stuff | 15:39 |
| kees | I haven't seen any regressions. | 15:39 |
| kees | did they have specific measurable instances? | 15:40 |
| mdz | there is one popular "solution" about regression testing multimedia performance | 15:40 |
| kees | which will be video hardware sensitive, and require monitoring of CPU time, disk IO, etc. not a subtle thing to measure. | 15:41 |
| mdz | of course | 15:41 |
| mdz | remember, our primary goal here is to be more responsive | 15:41 |
| mdz | to listen and talk about the issues | 15:41 |
| mdz | we may or may not get to a solution | 15:41 |
| mdz | depending on all sorts of factors | 15:42 |
| mdz | but we should have the conversation publicly | 15:42 |
| mdz | I think we can take the rest of this to email | 15:42 |
| mdz | I'll take the action to write it up | 15:42 |
| kees | [action] mdz to write up Quarterly Brainstorm review | 15:44 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mdz to write up Quarterly Brainstorm review | 15:44 |
| kees | [topic] Check up on community bugs (standing item) | 15:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Check up on community bugs (standing item) | 15:44 |
| kees | nothing new there | 15:44 |
| mdz | the next step will be identifying individuals to write up the responses | 15:44 |
| kees | [topic] other business | 15:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: other business | 15:44 |
| kees | I would like to propose we tie the Tech Board meeting to UTC, and make it 1500. | 15:44 |
| sabdfl | only the creator can move it | 15:45 |
| sabdfl | and i think that was keybuk | 15:45 |
| mdz | no, it's on a calendar that several of us have write access to | 15:45 |
| sabdfl | ok | 15:45 |
| persia | Why 1500? Last time it was UTC, it was 1400 (although that was years ago). | 15:46 |
| mdz | persia, our time zone distribution has shifted substantially | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | either time is fine with me | 15:46 |
| mdz | kees has to wake up at an ungodly hour for this time | 15:46 |
| persia | Ah, that makes sense. | 15:47 |
| mdz | I don't mind having it a bit later | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | much later than 1500 isn't great for me on Tuesdays | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | at least when we're on summer time | 15:47 |
| pitti | same here, desktop meeting is at 1630 UTC | 15:48 |
| pitti | 1400 or 1500 UTC both WFM | 15:48 |
| kees | 1500 will still be Too Early for me during winter timezones, but I'll live. better than 1400! :) | 15:49 |
| kees | sounds like no one is very opposed to 1500. shall we make that official? who can change the calendar? | 15:49 |
| sabdfl | i don't think i can | 15:51 |
| sabdfl | clan says it appears at 1500 going forward | 15:51 |
| sabdfl | could be it's in US time? | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | we probably just get to move it around every time DST changes | 15:52 |
| sabdfl | anyway, we're agreed on the principle | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | mdz moved it earlier today | 15:52 |
| sabdfl | ok | 15:52 |
| sabdfl | is that a wrap? | 15:52 |
| mdz | I moved it, but if I hadn't, it would have stayed at the same UTC time | 15:52 |
| mdz | because that calendar is set for no DST | 15:52 |
| sabdfl | kees: thanks for stepping in as chair, clan told me it was me today, am i up next week? | 15:53 |
| kees | sabdfl: I think so, yeah | 15:55 |
| kees | sabdfl: we skipped the last meeting, so I was just up again | 15:55 |
| sabdfl | ok happy to take it | 15:55 |
| kees | alright, that's everything | 15:56 |
| kees | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:56. | 15:56 |
| kees | thanks! | 15:56 |
| sabdfl | thanks folks | 15:56 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 15:57 |
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| zul | hola | 17:57 |
| hallyn | o/ | 18:00 |
| jjohansen | \o | 18:00 |
| smb | \o | 18:01 |
| robbiew | \o/ | 18:06 |
| hallyn | yay for enthusiasm :) | 18:07 |
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 18:07 |
| SpamapS | _\o/_ | 18:07 |
| * SpamapS can only do the splits on IRC | 18:07 | |
| zul | uh....who is running the metting? | 18:08 |
| hallyn | since ttx can't, i think it's zul! | 18:08 |
| SpamapS | there was some suggestion that it would be postponed for ttx.. ? | 18:08 |
| hallyn | oh, postponed??? i thought he wanted to move it forward an hour | 18:08 |
| zul | ive lost track | 18:09 |
| smb | That would be the same time as the kernel-team meeting. :) | 18:09 |
| smb | Or does moving forward mean making it later | 18:10 |
| smb | ? | 18:10 |
| SpamapS | So, clearly, we are unclear on this. | 18:10 |
| zul | yes...yes we are | 18:11 |
| zul | so im volunteering SpamapS | 18:11 |
| * SpamapS hopes volunteering means "hugging" in Canadianese | 18:12 | |
| zul | nope means the same in Americanese | 18:13 |
| jjohansen | SpamapS: are you sure you hope it means hugging, /me would have hoped it meant zul was actually volunteering himself | 18:13 |
| zul | fine...ill volunteer | 18:13 |
| zul | start meeting | 18:14 |
| zul | #startmeeting | 18:14 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 13:14. The chair is zul. | 18:14 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:14 |
| zul | there we go | 18:14 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 18:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 18:14 |
| zul | mathiaz to send a call for ideas on ubuntu to the puppet community | 18:14 |
| zul | im assuming thats not done mathiaz ^^^ | 18:15 |
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| SpamapS | Actually I think it was done and he discussed it at UDS in his puppet sessions | 18:15 |
| zul | cool... | 18:15 |
| zul | next: | 18:15 |
| zul | ALL to mark maverick assigned specs as "Implemented" or Deferred | 18:15 |
| zul | i know i have to do mine | 18:15 |
| hallyn | i've done mine... | 18:16 |
| hallyn | well, carry over i guess :) | 18:16 |
| zul | hallyn gets a cookie then :) | 18:16 |
| SpamapS | ttx would know. he always knows. <sniff> | 18:16 |
| hallyn | i'll tkae it! | 18:16 |
| zul | and finally... | 18:16 |
| zul | zul to check SRU tracker status | 18:16 |
| zul | which i havent done so carry over | 18:16 |
| zul | nexxxxt. | 18:17 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Post-UDS trauma | 18:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Post-UDS trauma | 18:17 |
| zul | everyone recovered? | 18:17 |
| hallyn | 'help, i have a syndrome' | 18:17 |
| * smb suffers the next one | 18:17 | |
| zul | everyone not sick or dying? | 18:17 |
| zul | i guess robbiew might want to bring up the topic of specs? | 18:18 |
| hallyn | me, no sickness, and i'm psyched! | 18:18 |
| zul | hallyn: good good | 18:18 |
| robbiew | hmmm | 18:19 |
| robbiew | For now, I'd like folks to focus on completing the specs for blueprints | 18:19 |
| robbiew | based on the sessions | 18:19 |
| robbiew | and then documenting work items | 18:19 |
| robbiew | with the iteration approach...we won't be committing to everything for the cycle upfront | 18:20 |
| zul | okie dokie sounds good to me :) | 18:20 |
| robbiew | but having an idea of the work required for each is a good way to decide | 18:20 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Maverick SRUs | 18:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Maverick SRUs | 18:20 |
| hallyn | so 'completing the specs' == 'writing summaries in whiteboard area' ? | 18:20 |
| robbiew | we can do the planning poker thing as well...but that's after we know the work needed | 18:20 |
| robbiew | hallyn: well...work items are what I want...but usually there is a wiki.ubuntu.com spec attached to some of the blueprints | 18:21 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: I think it means filling out the spec template in the wiki. | 18:21 |
| robbiew | that have more details about the deliverable and such | 18:21 |
| hallyn | hm, ok, i'll look at examples, thanks | 18:22 |
| robbiew | not EVERY blueprint needs a spec...but most major features will | 18:22 |
| robbiew | for example, the work around breaking the installer into 2 stages needs a wiki spec | 18:22 |
| zul | so like the containers stuff right? | 18:22 |
| robbiew | but a blueprint on integrating Eucalyptus stuff can just have whiteboard Work Items | 18:22 |
| robbiew | zul...yeah | 18:22 |
| zul | k | 18:23 |
| robbiew | if in doubt, just ask me :) | 18:23 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Maverick SRUs | 18:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Maverick SRUs | 18:23 |
| zul | we have a couple of bugs | 18:23 |
| zul | bug 661547 | 18:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 661547 in openldap (Ubuntu) "Existing patch gssapi.diff makes guess_service_principal produce garbage" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661547 | 18:23 |
| zul | mathiaz: were you working on that? | 18:24 |
| mathiaz | zul: nope | 18:24 |
| zul | so i guess that has been assigned to someone any volunteers? | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | bug 660990 has been in the sponsorship queue since 10/18 and will need to be an SRU | 18:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 660990 in libdbi-drivers (Ubuntu) "undefined symbol: _dbd_parse_datetime" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660990 | 18:25 |
| zul | SpamapS: but me after the meeting and ill have a look at it | 18:25 |
| zul | ok then ill have a look at the gasapi.diff as well | 18:25 |
| SpamapS | zul: I've been specifically trying to let the sponsorship queue do its work and not bug people about sponsorship. | 18:26 |
| zul | next is bug 657149 ttx was looking at it so we need someone to step up | 18:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 657149 in squid (Ubuntu) "package squid 2.7.STABLE9-2ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657149 | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | I'll take the squid bug | 18:26 |
| zul | SpamapS: cool but i dont mind | 18:26 |
| zul | SpamapS: cool can you assign yourself to it? | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | zul: its more all the other things that have been in there longer than mine that I'm trying to respect. | 18:27 |
| zul | the next two are #658227 and #660227 are in proposed does anyone have any feedback about them? | 18:27 |
| SpamapS | zul: that squid bug is blocked on the reporter providing more info. | 18:27 |
| zul | SpamapS: right but some of them are crack and people just havent got a chance to them | 18:27 |
| * SpamapS subscribed | 18:28 | |
| zul | SpamapS: so its probably not a good candidate just yet | 18:28 |
| zul | then the last one is 600174 which is the axis2c one which hasnt been fixed in natty...since it affects eucalyptus (kind of) ill get daviey to look at it | 18:28 |
| zul | anything else? | 18:29 |
| zul | going once | 18:29 |
| zul | going twice | 18:29 |
| zul | gone | 18:29 |
| zul | next | 18:29 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 18:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 18:29 |
| zul | hggdh: around? | 18:29 |
| hggdh | barely, but I am in | 18:29 |
| zul | sweeet | 18:30 |
| hggdh | (UDS cold) | 18:30 |
| zul | thanks for the uds qa session | 18:30 |
| hggdh | no news, I am still to write down the result of the QA session | 18:30 |
| hggdh | but I am quite slow now :-( | 18:30 |
| zul | okies...anyone else has any questions | 18:30 |
| zul | ok so next.. | 18:30 |
| SpamapS | zul: btw, bug 660227 looks like it has three independent verifications of the proposed package, so I suspect its just UDS lag preventing it from being pushed to updates | 18:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 660227 in php5 (Ubuntu) "php5-pgsql crash on getting an error back from postgres" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660227 | 18:31 |
| zul | SpamapS: ok ill talk to pitti then | 18:31 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 18:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 18:31 |
| zul | hey jjohansen | 18:31 |
| jjohansen | I would like to introduce smb he is going to be rotating into the role of server team contact | 18:32 |
| jjohansen | hey | 18:32 |
| smb | \O | 18:32 |
| zul | hi smb welcome.. | 18:32 |
| SpamapS | smb: did we meet at uds? | 18:32 |
| * SpamapS met a couple of Stefans | 18:32 | |
| Daviey | hey smb o/ | 18:32 |
| smb | SpamapS, Proabably, cannot remember much from there. :) | 18:32 |
| jjohansen | his brain was addled by the sun :) | 18:33 |
| zul | any idea which version we are using for natty? | 18:33 |
| jjohansen | 2.6.38 | 18:33 |
| smb | 2.6.38 likely | 18:33 |
| zul | exxcelente | 18:33 |
| zul | wohoo...dom0 | 18:33 |
| zul | ;) | 18:33 |
| jjohansen | ha! | 18:33 |
| zul | anyone have anything else? | 18:33 |
| SpamapS | dom0 arigatu? | 18:33 |
| jjohansen | you are assuming that we will turn that on last minute | 18:33 |
| zul | jjohansen: yes its a big assumption | 18:34 |
| SpamapS | smb: are you going to be who we bug about phantom ec2 load? ;) | 18:34 |
| jjohansen | likely it will be an N+ thing | 18:34 |
| jjohansen | SpamapS: both of us | 18:34 |
| smb | SpamapS, I expect that to be true | 18:34 |
| jjohansen | though, some of that should be disappearing now | 18:34 |
| zul | have you guys talked to the xen kernel guy about it yet? | 18:35 |
| jjohansen | the one patch to Lucid went into the security branch, and smoser was pulling that for some builds | 18:35 |
| zul | ah... | 18:35 |
| jjohansen | zul: which part of the phantom load? | 18:35 |
| jjohansen | some of it is just general kernel bugs | 18:35 |
| zul | okies | 18:35 |
| jjohansen | the other is the patch getting stuck in proposed for months | 18:36 |
| zul | heh | 18:36 |
| zul | anyone else? | 18:36 |
| smb | but should be out nowish | 18:36 |
| zul | going once | 18:36 |
| zul | going twice | 18:36 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 18:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) | 18:36 |
| zul | sommer: around? | 18:37 |
| zul | guess not | 18:37 |
| Daviey | Probably more ubiflu :( | 18:37 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 18:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) | 18:37 |
| kim0 | Howdy folks o/ | 18:37 |
| kim0 | a couple of updates I'd like to mention. I am pushing IS to deploy the first iteration of Ubuntu cloud portal this week (finally:) | 18:37 |
| kim0 | The portal is a collection to important documentation, news rolls, and pointers to development projects on how to get started contributing to ubuntu and cloud | 18:37 |
| Daviey | hey kim0, you were missed last week. o/ | 18:37 |
| * kim0 hugs Daviey | 18:38 | |
| kim0 | Once deployed, suggestions to be added to the next iteration from everyone are most appreciated | 18:38 |
| zul | cool....anything else? | 18:38 |
| kim0 | The other thing .. During UDS there have been lots of feature requests. If anyone has a feature request or two that are in (I'd like to do this, but I probably wouldn't have time) state (I've seen a couple for cloud-init) | 18:38 |
| kim0 | please contact me so that I can start trying to attract community contributions to implement that feature | 18:38 |
| kim0 | that's all for me | 18:38 |
| zul | any questions? | 18:38 |
| hallyn | kim0: parameters for feature requests? | 18:38 |
| kim0 | hallyn: as in, what qualifies | 18:39 |
| Daviey | Where will the portal be announced, server list assume? | 18:39 |
| hallyn | right | 18:39 |
| kim0 | Daviey: sure yeah and cloud | 18:39 |
| Daviey | groovy... | 18:39 |
| kim0 | hallyn: well .. it should basically be something easy enough for a new comer to work on | 18:39 |
| Daviey | kim0: I guess you'll share the "what qualifies", and examples in the announce mail right? | 18:40 |
| kim0 | makes sense .. doing that | 18:40 |
| hallyn | kthx | 18:40 |
| Daviey | \o/ | 18:40 |
| zul | anything else? | 18:40 |
| kim0 | done | 18:40 |
| zul | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 18:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 18:40 |
| zul | so people want to move the meeting time again eh? | 18:40 |
| kirkland | nah | 18:40 |
| hallyn | nah | 18:41 |
| zul | *sigh* :) | 18:41 |
| mathiaz | nah | 18:41 |
| kim0 | should I ignore that new meeting invitation ? | 18:41 |
| SpamapS | 1600 UTC is fine with me. | 18:41 |
| hallyn | kim0: i thought that was for the same time | 18:41 |
| kim0 | no .. it's shifted an hour for me | 18:41 |
| Daviey | My suggestion, was to allow ttx to be able to attend this meeting | 18:41 |
| Daviey | as a one off... not raising a time change request for ongoing ones. | 18:42 |
| hallyn | kim0: are you in the uk? dst offset this week? | 18:42 |
| kim0 | well no .. no time changes for me | 18:42 |
| kim0 | weird .. ok .. if the meeting time does not change .. that's fine by me | 18:42 |
| zul | Daviey: i think he will make the effort if he wants to attend the meeting or not ;) | 18:42 |
| Daviey | zul: Yes, too late now.. it was for *this* meeting. | 18:43 |
| zul | any other topic | 18:43 |
| zul | Daviey: yeha i see your point | 18:43 |
| zul | so next meeting is at Tuesday 2010-11-09 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting | 18:43 |
| zul | thanks everyone | 18:43 |
| zul | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:44. | 18:44 |
| kirkland | zul: thanks dude | 18:44 |
| robbiew | new invite was just me removing dendrobates as the original owner :) | 18:49 |
| highvoltage | Ubuntu EMEA RMB Meeting Time | 19:59 |
| highvoltage | is our board present? | 20:00 |
| * drubin | 20:00 | |
| highvoltage | popey, czajkowski: are you there? | 20:00 |
| popey | o/ | 20:00 |
| * stgraber waves | 20:01 | |
| popey | czajkowski: is in the USA and offline as I understand it | 20:01 |
| lag | She said she'd be here | 20:01 |
| * persia is about if there are problems | 20:01 | |
| popey | lag: she let us know today that she would not be | 20:01 |
| popey | thanks persia | 20:01 |
| lag | popey: No problem at all | 20:02 |
| highvoltage | persia: we seem to have quorum, but if you'd like to stand in for Laura that would be great? | 20:02 |
| popey | looks like ogra isnt about | 20:02 |
| highvoltage | yeah he's flying | 20:02 |
| stgraber | he's traveling to boston | 20:02 |
| persia | If you've quorum, I'll let you get on with it and have breakfast a bit sooner :) | 20:02 |
| popey | ah ok | 20:03 |
| popey | I think we're okay persia, enjoy breakfast! | 20:03 |
| stgraber | persia: enjoy your breakfast then :) | 20:03 |
| drubin | persia: enjoy :) | 20:03 |
| popey | who's up for chairing? | 20:03 |
| popey | ok | 20:03 |
| popey | #startmeeting | 20:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 15:04. The chair is popey. | 20:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 20:04 |
| highvoltage | popey: seems like it's you ;) | 20:04 |
| popey | so it would seem :) | 20:04 |
| popey | lag: you're up first, would you mind posting a few lines about yourself? | 20:04 |
| drubin | should be quick there are only 4 poeple | 20:04 |
| highvoltage | lag: hi! are you around? | 20:04 |
| lag | I am | 20:04 |
| lag | My name is Lee Jones, I am a member of the Ubuntu Kernel Team | 20:04 |
| lag | I work with the Arm team | 20:05 |
| lag | Specifically on OMAP4 type devices | 20:05 |
| lag | I enjoy long walks and walks in the sand :) | 20:05 |
| lag | Is there anything in particular you'd like to know about me? | 20:06 |
| popey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeeJones | 20:06 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/~lag | 20:06 |
| popey | bah.. | 20:06 |
| lag | Thanks popey | 20:06 |
| popey | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~lag | 20:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~lag | 20:06 |
| popey | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeeJones | 20:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LeeJones | 20:06 |
| drubin | lag: are you invovled with other ubuntu related activities? | 20:06 |
| popey | stupid bot | 20:06 |
| highvoltage | lag: how is the kernel team? is it friendly to non-canonical staff? and is there something you would change about it? | 20:07 |
| popey | some great testimonials there | 20:07 |
| lag | We are extremely friendly | 20:07 |
| cking | Yep, we are | 20:07 |
| popey | and an effective +1 from ogra there | 20:07 |
| lag | All of our work is in the open | 20:07 |
| lag | You can contact us easily on #ubuntu-kernel | 20:07 |
| lag | Where I monitor avidly | 20:08 |
| highvoltage | great :) | 20:08 |
| * highvoltage is ready to vote | 20:08 | |
| popey | How long have you worked at canonical lag ? | 20:08 |
| popey | thanks highvoltage | 20:08 |
| lag | 6 months | 20:09 |
| lag | But I have been a Ubuntu fan for years | 20:09 |
| popey | were you involved in FLOSS at all before then..? | 20:09 |
| lag | I'm afraid not | 20:09 |
| highvoltage | I'm unready to vote (question popped up) | 20:09 |
| lag | Go ahead | 20:09 |
| popey | heh, no need to be sorry, we all have our crosses to bear | 20:09 |
| popey | :) | 20:10 |
| lag | :) | 20:10 |
| lag | I am fresh out of university | 20:10 |
| highvoltage | lag: how did you manage to go from not being involved with free software to being able to contribute to kernel problems? do you come from a strong C background or something? | 20:10 |
| lag | o:-) | 20:10 |
| highvoltage | ah, you studied CS, I guess that answers my question then :) | 20:10 |
| lag | I studied Linux at university | 20:10 |
| lag | I was particularly interested in the Kernel, specifically porting | 20:11 |
| lag | Not quite | 20:11 |
| lag | Computing for Real-Time Systems | 20:11 |
| popey | drubin / stgraber do you have any questions? | 20:11 |
| stgraber | nope | 20:12 |
| drubin | 11/02 22:06:58 drubin | lag: are you invovled with other ubuntu related activities? | 20:12 |
| lag | drubin: Yes | 20:12 |
| drubin | but I guess he answered that :) | 20:12 |
| lag | Oh | 20:12 |
| drubin | lag: Please elaberate. | 20:12 |
| drubin | elaborate* | 20:12 |
| lag | I volunteer to spread the good word about Ubuntu | 20:12 |
| lag | I have been to Taiwan to give a talk on Ubuntu at UHS, which is not part of my job | 20:13 |
| drubin | Ye I saw that. I am ready to vote. | 20:13 |
| highvoltage | lag: wow, nice! | 20:13 |
| lag | Most of the stuff is on the Wiki | 20:13 |
| lag | I've done as much as I can in only 6 months | 20:14 |
| * persia would like to mention that lag has also been active in coordination with a number of upstream kernel folk (non-mainline) to help resolve bugs discovered in Ubuntu. | 20:14 | |
| lag | I will continue to do so to the best of my ability | 20:14 |
| lag | Quite | 20:14 |
| lag | Thanks persia | 20:14 |
| popey | thanks persia | 20:14 |
| popey | [VOTE] on Ubuntu membership for lag | 20:15 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: on Ubuntu membership for lag. | 20:15 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 20:15 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 20:15 |
| popey | +1 | 20:15 |
| MootBot | +1 received from popey. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 20:15 |
| highvoltage | +1 [ clear evidence of sustained contribution to ubuntu and great backing from testimonials ] | 20:15 |
| MootBot | +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:15 |
| stgraber | +1 | 20:15 |
| MootBot | +1 received from stgraber. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 20:15 |
| drubin | +1 | 20:15 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drubin. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 20:15 |
| popey | [ENDVOTE] | 20:15 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 20:15 |
| lag | Yay! | 20:15 |
| popey | Congratulations lag ! | 20:15 |
| lag | Thanks guys | 20:15 |
| cking | yay | 20:15 |
| highvoltage | lag: congratulations and welcome! | 20:15 |
| JFo | congrats lag :) | 20:15 |
| stgraber | congrats lag | 20:15 |
| drubin | congrats lag | 20:15 |
| lag | :D | 20:15 |
| popey | added to ~ubuntumembers | 20:16 |
| lag | Good luck Colin | 20:16 |
| popey | cking: you're up! | 20:16 |
| cking | ok | 20:16 |
| popey | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColinKing | 20:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColinKing | 20:16 |
| popey | [LINK] http://launchpad.net/~colin-king | 20:16 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://launchpad.net/~colin-king | 20:16 |
| cking | that's me :-) | 20:17 |
| popey | cking: would you like to tell us a bit about yourself? :) | 20:17 |
| cking | Ok, I work in the Ubuntu Kernel Team, mainly focused on BIOS related issues. | 20:18 |
| highvoltage | cking: I would've liked to see more details on your work on your wiki page, | 20:19 |
| cking | I've been focused on automated BIOS testing, and in the last 6 month I've written the firmware test suite (fwts) | 20:19 |
| highvoltage | cking: I looked at https://launchpad.net/~colin-king/+related-software for some more details but it looks a bit sparse, | 20:19 |
| highvoltage | cking: stgraber told me that the kernel team does most of their work through a vcs instead of packages | 20:19 |
| cking | yep, I work with git as this is the preferred way of handling patches with the kernel | 20:20 |
| highvoltage | cking: could you perhaps elaborate on how the kernel team does things and how you contribute your work? | 20:20 |
| highvoltage | cking: ok | 20:21 |
| cking | well, the kernel team is responsible for delivering quality kernels... | 20:21 |
| cking | so we do a lot of hardware specific work, and we work hard at fixing issues without causing regressions. It's very non-trivial | 20:21 |
| cking | I am focused on making sure PCs work well with the kernel at the BIOS and ACPI layers, so a lot of my work is involved in trying to get BIOS fixes | 20:22 |
| cking | ..as well as fixing ACPI when it's broken :-) | 20:22 |
| highvoltage | cking: when you get ubuntu membership you should blog about those bios fixes on planet ubuntu, I'm sure many people will be interested in hearing about that | 20:23 |
| popey | cking: where have you given these presentations? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~cking/presentations/ | 20:23 |
| cking | I went over to Taiwan to present at the Ubuntu Hardware Summit | 20:23 |
| cking | and Steve Conklin gave one of my presentations in the US because I had surgery and could not make it in person | 20:24 |
| drubin | cking: What are some of your reasons for seeking Ubuntu Membership? | 20:25 |
| popey | Who were the attendees? Mostly OEM/ODMs? | 20:25 |
| cking | popey, OEM/ODMs, but the presentation is for anyone who has BIOS/ACPI issues and want's to see how to fix/work around issues | 20:25 |
| popey | interesting thanks | 20:26 |
| popey | stgraber / highvoltage / drubin any more questions? | 20:26 |
| highvoltage | ready to vote | 20:26 |
| cking | drubin, I'm seeking Ubuntu Membership as I want to contribute more to community. I blog a lot and I want to be involved more in spreading the word about Ubuntu | 20:26 |
| drubin | cking: Thanks. | 20:26 |
| popey | yeah, thats quite a technical blog you have there :) | 20:26 |
| cking | http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/ - my blog | 20:26 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/ - my blog | 20:26 |
| stgraber | I'm fine with the questions that have been asked so far. I've been multi-tasking a bit (reading his blog and LP) | 20:26 |
| popey | ok | 20:27 |
| cking | Also, I am trying to get my kids local school to use Ubuntu. | 20:27 |
| popey | oh, nice | 20:27 |
| popey | meeting resistance? | 20:27 |
| drubin | cking:OO now that is interesting. | 20:27 |
| cking | No, they are embracing open source, and I am meeting the staff in a few weeks to do some demos | 20:27 |
| popey | thats the kind of thing people love to read about in blogs on planet ubuntu.. :) | 20:28 |
| drubin | hopefully you will blog about the results. | 20:28 |
| popey | [VOTE] on Ubuntu membership for cking | 20:28 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: on Ubuntu membership for cking. | 20:28 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 20:28 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 20:28 |
| highvoltage | + 1 [ great feedback from prominent kernel team members ] | 20:28 |
| popey | +1 | 20:28 |
| MootBot | +1 received from popey. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 20:28 |
| stgraber | +1 | 20:28 |
| MootBot | +1 received from stgraber. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:28 |
| highvoltage | popey: people like to read about bios bugs too! | 20:28 |
| JFo | I know I do | 20:28 |
| popey | highvoltage: your vote didnt register | 20:28 |
| drubin | +1 [Feed back from other members..] | 20:28 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drubin. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 20:28 |
| highvoltage | +1 [ great feedback from prominent kernel team members ] | 20:28 |
| MootBot | +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 20:28 |
| popey | stupid bot | 20:28 |
| popey | [ENDVOTE] | 20:28 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 20:28 |
| popey | congratulations cking ! | 20:28 |
| cking | thanks! :-) | 20:28 |
| lag | Wooooooooooooooooo | 20:28 |
| highvoltage | lag: congratulations and welcome! | 20:29 |
| highvoltage | I mean, cking :) | 20:29 |
| drubin | lol | 20:29 |
| cking | :-) | 20:29 |
| popey | added to ~ubuntumembers | 20:29 |
| popey | hajni: are you available? | 20:30 |
| hajni | yes, I'm here | 20:30 |
| popey | hi! | 20:30 |
| hajni | hello | 20:30 |
| popey | Would you like to introduce yourself.. | 20:30 |
| popey | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hajni | 20:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hajni | 20:30 |
| hajni | My name is Hajnalka Horváth. I am an IT teacher trainee at ELTE University, Hungary. | 20:30 |
| popey | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~hajni | 20:30 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~hajni | 20:30 |
| hajni | I am responsible for education related issues in our LoCo. | 20:30 |
| highvoltage | hajni: did you know that the next Ubuntu Developer Summit will be happening in Budapest? | 20:31 |
| hajni | yes, I am very happy about it :) | 20:31 |
| highvoltage | hajni: great! what kind of education related issues do you usually deal with? | 20:31 |
| hajni | i work on our e-learning material | 20:32 |
| hajni | we would like ubuntu to be officially accepted at the school leaving exam in Hungary | 20:32 |
| popey | http://edu.ubuntu.hu/ This stuff is great | 20:33 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://edu.ubuntu.hu/ This stuff is great | 20:33 |
| highvoltage | I'm just glancing through the material, the education seems to be about learning Ubuntu, right? (as apposed to education in ubuntu) | 20:33 |
| hajni | we have some material about openoffice as well | 20:33 |
| popey | is this all original material from yourselves? Or was it translated from another teams work? | 20:34 |
| hajni | partly translated, but many parts are written by us | 20:34 |
| popey | you use moodle? | 20:35 |
| hajni | actually, we started our work earlier as the Manual Team... | 20:35 |
| popey | nice :) | 20:35 |
| hajni | popey: it is ilias | 20:35 |
| popey | How large is the team working on the e-learning material? | 20:35 |
| highvoltage | is anyone from hajni's loco team around? | 20:35 |
| toros | highvoltage: I am here! | 20:36 |
| hajni | popey: there isn't a team, some people come and help me occassionally | 20:36 |
| highvoltage | toros: you can confirm that hajni organised the lucid and maverick release parties? | 20:37 |
| popey | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mogorvamormota/4565510348/in/set-72157623837399835/ - A first for me seeing an Ubuntu screen projected in what looks like a pub :) | 20:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mogorvamormota/4565510348/in/set-72157623837399835/ - A first for me seeing an Ubuntu screen projected in what looks like a pub :) | 20:37 |
| toros | highvoltage: yes, she did :) | 20:37 |
| highvoltage | great! | 20:37 |
| toros | it was at a place called billy rotten | 20:37 |
| popey | Looks fun! | 20:37 |
| toros | when you come to Budapest, I will show you the place ;) | 20:38 |
| popey | hajni: What motivates you to work on Ubuntu ? | 20:38 |
| hajni | i am a would-be IT teacher, and would like to work with ubuntu at my future school | 20:39 |
| hajni | that is why I have to work hard now... | 20:39 |
| drubin | Woohoo Ubuntu on all desktops at school by 2012 :) | 20:39 |
| popey | This seems like a great way to start that career | 20:39 |
| hajni | linux is scarcely used in schools now in hungary | 20:39 |
| popey | ok, any more questions drubin highvoltage stgraber ? | 20:39 |
| drubin | Nope I am ready to vote. | 20:40 |
| stgraber | nope, ready to vote | 20:40 |
| highvoltage | ready! | 20:40 |
| popey | [VOTE] on Ubuntu membership for hajni | 20:40 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: on Ubuntu membership for hajni. | 20:40 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 20:40 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 20:40 |
| drubin | +1 | 20:40 |
| popey | +1 | 20:40 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drubin. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 20:40 |
| MootBot | +1 received from popey. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 20:40 |
| highvoltage | + 1 [ loco team involvement including release party organisation participating in global jam events and localised documentation documentation] | 20:40 |
| popey | Great great work! | 20:40 |
| drubin | you need a +1 highvoltage | 20:40 |
| highvoltage | +1 [ loco team involvement including release party organisation participating in global jam events and localised documentation documentation] | 20:40 |
| MootBot | +1 received from highvoltage. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 20:40 |
| stgraber | +1 | 20:41 |
| highvoltage | sorry, something goes wrong with copying and pasting there | 20:41 |
| MootBot | +1 received from stgraber. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 20:41 |
| popey | [ENDVOTE] | 20:41 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 20:41 |
| popey | Awesome! | 20:41 |
| drubin | congrats | 20:41 |
| popey | Congratulations hajni | 20:41 |
| hajni | thank you very much | 20:41 |
| AlanBell | Congratulations hajni, you are the 32nd woman to be awarded Ubuntu Membership and that has brought the overall percentage above 5% for the first time! | 20:41 |
| popey | keep doing great work! | 20:41 |
| highvoltage | hajni: congratulations and welcome! | 20:41 |
| toros | congratulations hajni! :) | 20:41 |
| popey | look forward to seeing the results at the next UDS! | 20:41 |
| hajni | highvoltage: thanks | 20:41 |
| popey | added to ~ubuntumembers | 20:42 |
| popey | Ok, UndiFineD you're up! | 20:42 |
| UndiFineD | I am here :) | 20:42 |
| UndiFineD | hello everyone, I am known as UndiFineD, Keimpe de Jong for real. | 20:42 |
| UndiFineD | Some of you I have already chatted with in the past. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | I work on many projects at once. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | I develop a KPI toolkit, since during UDS-N I was asked for it by Chris Gregan. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | I want to improve Simon Listens voice recognition as an accessability tool, besides that I also work on Voxforge. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | I spend a few hours weekly translating into dutch (NL). | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | I am involved with Ubuntu-Tour, an application to show beginners around the desktop. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | I spend some time testing for Maverick. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | Last week I joined the Beginners Team, because I was asked to, | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | I found out I could get some guidance on learning Python and so I pedro became my teacher. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | Worked myself through his 5 classes in 2 days. | 20:43 |
| UndiFineD | :) | 20:43 |
| pedro3005 | I can confirm (should I be speaking?) that | 20:45 |
| highvoltage | UndiFineD: your wiki didn't mention anything about contributing to ubuntu-tour or testing | 20:45 |
| popey | pedro3005: sure, we welcome input :) | 20:45 |
| UndiFineD | highvoltage, I will update | 20:45 |
| highvoltage | UndiFineD: what's your nick on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ? I would like to see what kind of testing you have done | 20:45 |
| drubin | highvoltage: Yes it does. at least the ubuntu-tour stuff | 20:45 |
| UndiFineD | highvoltage, I am not sure, could be UndiFineD or k.dejong | 20:46 |
| highvoltage | "I can be annoying pain in the butt for doing things differently. I am best known for my weird humor nobody seems to understand." | 20:47 |
| highvoltage | UndiFineD: would you say that you are able to work well with others? | 20:47 |
| UndiFineD | yes I do think so | 20:47 |
| highvoltage | what do you do differently that makes you a "pain in the butt"? | 20:47 |
| UndiFineD | I have ADD, so I jump around much in my head, which is why things do not always happen as planned, but they do happen | 20:48 |
| highvoltage | we have lots of Ubuntu contributors who have attention problems, it's never a valid excuse for not getting along with others, though | 20:49 |
| UndiFineD | true :) | 20:49 |
| * highvoltage has no further questions | 20:49 | |
| popey | Would you consider yourself more interested in development, support or translations? where is your main focus? | 20:50 |
| UndiFineD | I do all at once | 20:50 |
| popey | I guess you have a lot of time on your hands at the moment :S | 20:50 |
| UndiFineD | i do , unemployed atm | 20:50 |
| popey | What's your plan for the Beginners Team? | 20:51 |
| UndiFineD | which is why I am on IRC all the time | 20:51 |
| UndiFineD | duanedesign, asked me, said they need more leaders in the future | 20:51 |
| popey | ok, so no specific plans right now | 20:52 |
| UndiFineD | no :) | 20:52 |
| drubin | UndiFineD: I can vouch for him being online and helping in #ubuntu-beginners | 20:52 |
| popey | ok | 20:52 |
| popey | any further questions drubin / stgraber / highvoltage ? | 20:52 |
| drubin | that was directed and others. | 20:52 |
| highvoltage | nope | 20:52 |
| drubin | nope. | 20:52 |
| stgraber | nope | 20:52 |
| popey | ok.. | 20:53 |
| popey | [VOTE] on Ubuntu membership for UndiFineD | 20:53 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: on Ubuntu membership for UndiFineD. | 20:53 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 20:53 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 20:53 |
| highvoltage | -1 [ insufficient evidence of sustained and significant contributions, need to work better within existing ubuntu community ] | 20:53 |
| MootBot | -1 received from highvoltage. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 20:53 |
| stgraber | -1 | 20:53 |
| MootBot | -1 received from stgraber. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 20:53 |
| popey | -1 I would like to see you come back after maybe 3 months of solid contribution to one (or more) of the teams you're interested in helping | 20:54 |
| MootBot | -1 received from popey. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3 | 20:54 |
| drubin | +1 | 20:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from drubin. 1 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 20:54 |
| popey | [ENDVOTE] | 20:54 |
| MootBot | Final result is 1 for, 3 against. 0 abstained. Total: -2 | 20:54 |
| popey | ok, sorry, not this time UndiFineD | 20:54 |
| UndiFineD | that is ok, I will continue the good work | 20:55 |
| popey | great stuff! | 20:55 |
| drubin | UndiFineD: please do and come back in a few months | 20:55 |
| popey | ok, I'll send out a mail announcing the new members | 20:55 |
| popey | anything anyone else has to say before I end it? | 20:55 |
| highvoltage | thanks popey | 20:55 |
| popey | np | 20:55 |
| drubin | popey: thanks for chairing. | 20:55 |
| stgraber | nope, nothing to add. Thanks for chairing. | 20:55 |
| popey | cool | 20:55 |
| popey | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 15:56. | 20:56 |
| * popey edits the wiki | 20:56 | |
| popey | why do I always spot typos in wiki pages just after pressing Saver | 20:58 |
| popey | -r | 20:58 |
| drubin | wiki law. | 20:58 |
| popey | gah now I get HTTP 500 from the wiki | 20:58 |
| popey | i think i broke it | 20:58 |
| popey | phew | 20:59 |
| drubin | I broke LP 20 seconds ago. I think it is time to call it a nigh. | 20:59 |
| popey | heh | 20:59 |
| popey | wise words! | 20:59 |
| drubin | Thanks for chairing again. bye | 20:59 |
| * persia wonders if there is a meeting today (21:00 UTC first Tuesday) | 21:03 | |
| ajmitch | persia: for asia/oceania? | 21:04 |
| persia | ajmitch, For CC. This would be a bad time for large chunks of Asia (although less bad for Oceania) | 21:04 |
| ajmitch | fine for NZ & many pacific islands, but there don't seem to be many applicants from there | 21:05 |
| persia | It isn't rare that I think that's related to common metting times. | 21:06 |
| ajmitch | the fridge calendar is showing 10pm for the CC meeting for me | 21:10 |
| ajmitch | thought the wiki page states 21:00 UTC | 21:10 |
| persia | DST just needs to be abolished worldwide. | 21:11 |
| pleia2 | I think it should have started 20 minutes ago | 21:19 |
| pleia2 | but I don't think we actually have an agenda this time :) | 21:19 |
| persia | pleia2, There's still bug #605909 listed on the agenda, although it's been discussed before | 21:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 605909 in virt-manager (Ubuntu) "[maverick] virt-manager.py crashed with signal 5 in _XError() (dup-of: 599450)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605909 | 21:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 599450 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "[apparmor] getattr handled incorrectly in 2.6.35-6.7" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599450 | 21:28 |
| persia | Err, bug #605969 | 21:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 605969 in Ubuntu Website "Redirect /employment to webapps.ubuntu.com/employment" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605969 | 21:28 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that was discussed | 21:38 |
| * persia thinks there just isn't a meeting today after all | 22:15 | |
| * pleia2 nods | 22:16 | |
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