[01:29] <toe_> hey whats up
[01:30] <toe_> can i  open my existing projectsfrom cubase with ardour
[01:30] <holstein> hey toe_
[01:30] <holstein> there is a converter app
[01:31] <holstein> i forget what its called
[01:31] <holstein> and i have not used it
[01:31] <holstein> the way i do it...
[01:31] <holstein> i export the wav files from cubase
[01:31] <holstein> without effects or automaion
[01:31] <holstein> and import them into ardour
[01:32] <toe_> oh i forgot the wav files are atomatically save to the folder
[01:33] <toe_> only problem is a couple of them i recorded over the tracks so theres ex  bass.wav to bass13.wav
[01:34] <toe_> but obviously the one with bigger size is the correct one
[01:35] <toe_> how would i have each individual port  designated to a certain track
[01:36] <toe_> in ardour
[01:36] <holstein> port?
[01:36] <holstein> SAY
[01:36] <holstein> you have a project
[01:36] <holstein> in cubase
[01:36] <holstein> with 4 tracks
[01:36] <holstein> just export them seperately
[01:36] <holstein> OR
[01:36] <holstein> fish around for the wavs like your talking about
[01:37] <toe_> remote controller id maybe
[01:37] <holstein> and just import them into ardour
[01:37] <holstein> one at a time
[01:37] <holstein> as separate tracks
[01:37] <toe_> no i mean if im starting a new project sorry
[01:37] <holstein> just like they were in cubase
[01:37] <holstein> toe_: AH
[01:37] <holstein> you use JACK
[01:37] <holstein> you can do it in ardour too
[01:38] <holstein> in JACK
[01:38] <holstein> the 'connections'
[01:38] <holstein> area
[01:38] <holstein> you'll see your sound cards ins and outs
[01:38] <holstein> and if ardour is running
[01:38] <holstein> you'll see ardours channels/tracks ins and outs
[01:38] <holstein> you just route them however you want
[01:38] <holstein> in/out
[01:38] <holstein> to external effects
[01:39] <holstein> or other hardware
[01:39] <holstein> other JACK aware software
[01:39] <holstein> where ever you want
[01:42] <toe_> i dont get what you mean. in cubase you assign each track . i dont see connections as well
[01:43] <holstein> OK
[01:43] <holstein> in cubase
[01:43] <holstein> you only use cubase
[01:43] <holstein> with JACK
[01:43] <holstein> you can interconnect all kinds of apps
[01:43] <holstein> not just ardour
[01:44] <holstein> say i have my guitar plugged into the firepod
[01:44] <holstein> into channel 4
[01:44] <holstein> i can route channel 4 over into rakarrack
[01:44] <holstein> and add an effect in realtime
[01:45] <holstein> route that effected signal to track 1 in ardour
[01:45] <holstein> and route the dry guitar signal to another track in ardour
[01:45] <holstein> maybe track 2
[01:45] <holstein> then, say i got a drum machine programmed
[01:45] <holstein> in hydrogen
[01:45] <holstein> mabye snare kick and hihat
[01:46] <holstein> i can route those to separate tracks in ardour
[01:46] <holstein> maybe 3 4 and 5
[01:46] <holstein> JACK is like a patchbay
[01:47] <holstein> THEN
[01:47] <holstein> lets say i want to use something like darkice
[01:47] <holstein> to stream that to the internet while im recording
[01:47] <holstein> i can route the main out or ardour to darkice's input
[01:47] <holstein> in JACK's connections window
[01:47] <holstein> toe_: there are little plus signs
[01:47] <holstein> +
[01:48] <holstein> in connections
[01:48] <holstein> if you expand those
[01:48] <holstein> you should see all 8 ins
[01:48] <holstein> and the outs on the right side
[01:48] <holstein> there is a simple way to assign these from inside ardour too
[01:48] <holstein> in the mixer somewhere
[01:49] <toe_> give me a second my computers having a meltdown. i tried running rakarak and it said error cannt run jack because of jackd
[01:51] <toe_> so now my computer is acting like a peice of crap and rakarak is maybe loading im not sure i might just take the easy route and hit the wer button
[01:51] <holstein> what are the specs?
[01:52] <holstein> if you dont have a realtime kernel
[01:52] <holstein> and the latency set really low
[01:52] <holstein> no reason to run rakarrack
[01:52] <holstein> i have several different JACK profiles
[01:52] <toe_> be right back im hitting the power . i was going to see what effects i can do
[01:52] <holstein> one for mixing which is quite relaxed
[01:52] <holstein> maybe 40 ms latency
[01:53] <holstein> BUT i have one for doing realtime effects and tracking things like that
[01:53] <holstein> synths.. whatever
[01:53] <holstein> that is set at like 1.2 ms
[02:06] <toe_> ok so i got jack up and going and adour . so do i hit connect then that bring up a window i assmue for selecting programs to associate with
[02:07] <holstein> pretty much
[02:07] <holstein> you get JACK going first
[02:07] <holstein> like you have
[02:07] <holstein> then
[02:07] <holstein> open whatever else you want to use
[02:07] <holstein> then
[02:07] <holstein> go back to the JACK window
[02:07] <holstein> and click 'connect'
[02:08] <holstein> thats where you'll see the connections that are possible
[02:08] <toe_> only thing i dont see is channel 8 which i use for guitar
[02:08] <holstein> you'll be interested in the ones under the audio tabe
[02:08] <holstein> tab*
[02:08] <holstein> toe_: hmmm
[02:09] <holstein> they used to be labeled 1 through 8
[02:09] <holstein> the packages im using now
[02:09] <holstein> they are labled 1L 2R 3L 4R
[02:09] <holstein> like that
[02:09] <holstein> 8 should be there
[02:10] <toe_> no audio 5/out 1 audio 5/out 2
[02:10] <toe_> audio 1- 7 all the same
[02:10] <holstein> hmmm
[02:10] <holstein> not sure what you mean
[02:11] <toe_> audio 1/out 1
[02:11] <toe_> audio 1/out 2
[02:11] <holstein> AH
[02:11] <holstein> thats ardour channels
[02:11] <holstein> tracks
[02:11] <toe_> like that threw audio 7 id assume that 7 is port 7
[02:12] <holstein> out 1 is left out 2 is right
[02:12] <holstein> i think your in the ardour seciton
[02:12] <holstein> and not the one for your presonus
[02:12] <holstein> this is the learning curve
[02:12] <holstein> BUT there really is nothing like it
[02:13] <holstein> so much like a patchbay
[02:13] <holstein> there are graphical frontends for it
[02:13] <toe_> oh yea i am
[02:13] <holstein> http://ladish.org/wiki/screenshots
[02:14] <holstein> http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/download/jp1/index.html
[02:14] <holstein> there's always options with linux
[02:14] <holstein> if a certain workflow doesnt work for you
[02:15] <holstein> i just like to introduce this as the first choice
[11:20] <lasconic> hi there
[11:20] <lasconic> I'm one of the dev of MuseScore
[11:21] <lasconic> MuseScore is in the meta packages of ubuntustudio
[11:21] <lasconic> but it's often named mscore
[11:21] <lasconic> this package is deprecated now
[11:21] <lasconic> the new package name is musescore
[11:22] <lasconic> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/musescore
[11:22] <lasconic> can it be changed in the software list ?
[11:25] <lasconic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelectionDevelopment
[13:32] <persia> lasconic, We kept the name "mscore" to ensure that users who had it installed before the name change would automatically get "musecore" installed.
[13:33] <persia> Checking now, it looks like we can safely remove the "mscore" dummy package, so we'll do so for natty.
[13:34] <persia> We can't change it in the software list for things already released, but the description for the "mscore" package is "The package `mscore` has been renamed to `musescore`", and the "mscore" package contains *only* machine-readable instructions to install musescore.
[13:41] <persia> Ah, we can't actually remove it yet: because it would break upgrades for Debian users.  We'll remove it as soon as Debian Squeeze releases.
[14:21] <lasconic> persia: thanks
[14:21] <lasconic> it's just easier for us to follow discussions with musescore
[14:22] <lasconic> I find out totally by chance that MuseScore could be included by default in ubuntu studio
[14:22] <persia> lasconic, Sorry it takes so long to migrate: you'll probably still find traces of the transition packages laying around for the next 5 years, but we did move the real package name around the time you did: just takes us this long to do things.
[14:22] <lasconic> no problem !
[14:22] <persia> Yeah.  It's really nice, and getting better along the way.
[14:23] <lasconic> yes! working on new nice things like guitar tabs support :)
[14:24] <lasconic> the community will love to hear that next ubuntu stuidio will include musescore by default
[14:26] <persia> It will likely be a while before there is a final decision.  My understanding is that there is an intent to try using musescore for score editing by default for Alpha 1, and if that is received well, staying with it.
[14:26] <lasconic> great
[14:27] <lasconic> if I can help with something regarding musescore don't hesitate
[14:27] <lasconic> devs are on #musescore
[14:27] <persia> Thanks!  Where's the best place to find you?
[14:27] <persia> Oh, cool.
[14:27] <lasconic> or my nickname
[14:27] <persia> I'll definitely point folk there if we encounter specific issues.
[14:27] <lasconic> gmail.com
[14:27] <persia> We tend to be IRC-focused, but thanks also for the email, just in case.
[14:28] <lasconic> IRC is fine
[14:28] <persia> ScottL, ^^^
[14:33] <nemptor> hello everybody. i need help with my problem with gtick, anyone?
[14:34] <persia> What is the problem?
[14:35] <nemptor> in the sound device is /usr/bin/jackd and when i start gtick in terminal i got /usr/bin/jackd permission denied
[14:36] <persia> Hrm.  I think you need someone who uses gtick (wait a bit, and someone may appear).  /usr/bin/jackd is a program, rather than a sound device, although it may be that the gtick UI glosses over that.
[14:37] <holstein> nemptor: are you running JACK?
[14:37] <nemptor> thanks persia
[14:37] <nemptor> hello holstein yes im using jack
[14:37] <nemptor> holstein: but i don't start jack control when i use gtick
[14:38] <holstein> do you start JACK?
[14:38] <nemptor> holstein: i having the same problem with gtick eventhough i dont start jack
[14:38] <holstein> right
[14:38] <holstein> gtick will be looking for JACK
[14:39] <holstein> get jack started
[14:39] <nemptor> holstein: its the same problem too eventhough jack is started
[14:39] <holstein> AH
[14:39] <holstein> well, i think thats one of te apps getting pulled from the metapackage
[14:39] <nemptor> holstein: sorry can't explain it properly here :)
[14:39] <holstein> the apps*
[14:39] <holstein> nemptor: your doing fine :)
[14:39] <holstein> nemptor: there is a metronome in ardour
[14:40] <holstein> other apps have them built in as well
[14:40] <holstein> its easy to throw a little drum pattern in hydrogen as well
[14:40] <nemptor> hmm. i know :) but i would just like to use other metronome program
[14:41] <nemptor> ok i think i'll use ardour for metronome
[14:41] <holstein> AFAIK, gtick is not being developed anymore
[14:41] <nemptor> oh ok thanks for that info
[14:42] <nemptor> thanks for all the help :)
[14:42] <nemptor> can i ask another question?
[14:43] <holstein> you can always ask whatever you want
[14:43] <nemptor> how can i use hydrogen in ardour?
[14:44] <holstein> depends on how you want to 'use' it
[14:44] <holstein> anything can be routed to anything in JACK
[14:44] <holstein> say you have 3 drum sounds
[14:44] <holstein> snare kick and hihat
[14:45] <holstein> you can tell hydrogen to use seperate outputs per sound
[14:45] <holstein> instead of stereo
[14:45] <holstein> SO you go make 3 tracks in ardour
[14:45] <nemptor> ok
[14:45] <holstein> route the outputs of hydrogen in 'connect' in JACK
[14:45] <nemptor> so thru jack ardour will hear hydrogen?
[14:46] <nemptor> ok
[14:46] <nemptor> ill try that now
[14:46] <holstein> JACK is just like a patchbay
[14:46] <holstein> alright... i gotta run to a session... laterx
[14:46] <holstein> good luck nemptor
[14:46] <nemptor> ok
[14:46] <nemptor> thanks again
[14:46] <holstein> good to see you persia :)
[14:47] <nemptor> see yah
[14:47] <holstein> lasconic: musescore rocks .. w00t!
[14:48] <lasconic> holstein: thanks
[14:48] <nemptor> can you give me a link for a tutorial of jack, also for ardour and hydrogen?
[14:56] <nemptor> bye for now thanks for the help
[18:05] <ryanpg> hi all, I seem to be missing most plugins and effects in audacity
[18:06] <ryanpg> I have a ton of ladspa plugins installed, but most (maybe all) aren't showing up, neither are the built-in ones like "normalize"
[18:06] <ryanpg> any thoughts?
[18:06] <ryanpg> this is running maverick