| ScottK | apachelogger: My understanding is the Thunderbird/Kolab thing is done by one guy in his free time. Not suprising. | 00:07 |
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| tazz | yo shadeslayer | 00:16 |
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| yahyai-0 | how to make plymouth (text),, (or just edit the name of "kubuntu 10.10")??? | 05:15 |
| yahyai-0 | how to make plymouth (text),, (or just edit the name of "kubuntu 10.10")??? | 05:18 |
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| valorie | so we no longer have the package kde-devel | 07:47 |
| valorie | we used to..... | 07:47 |
| hrw | hi | 08:22 |
| jussi | hi | 08:23 |
| hrw | I have some updates for kde/natty packages - how should I share them? | 08:24 |
| hrw | they fix FTFBS on armel | 08:25 |
| hrw | hm. I see that ScottK uploaded some of them. uf | 08:27 |
| jussi | hrw: ScottK is your man for arm - although if Riddell and apachelogger can probably help also | 08:32 |
| hrw | jussi: thx | 08:32 |
| hrw | I got Efika MX Smartbook at UDS-N and want to have kde on it. | 08:32 |
| hrw | but I also needs natty on my machines due to development | 08:32 |
| jussi | hrw: I understand completely - Im hoping to get one of those myself... | 08:33 |
| hrw | so my (also new) pandaboard is now going though builds of kde packages | 08:33 |
| * jussi eye's hrw's efika jealously... | 08:34 | |
| hrw | jussi: trust me - it is not user ready yet | 08:35 |
| jussi | hrw: not really the point for me ;) | 08:36 |
| hrw | ;d | 08:36 |
| jussi | hrw: is there flash working on that device yet? | 08:47 |
| * jussi had the nettop version, but no hdmi cable, so hasnt had a chance to check it yet | 08:48 | |
| jussi | has | 08:48 |
| hrw | jussi: I do not care about flash on !x86 | 08:54 |
| hrw | jussi: on maemo tablets (770/n810/n900) it was slow | 08:54 |
| valorie | !kde-devel | 09:09 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-devel | 09:09 |
| valorie | hmmm | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | hrw: what does the fix look like? | 09:20 |
| apachelogger | if it involves thumb then I suppose it has to wait until the master of gcc returns, because from a spec from lucid times it seems we should default to thumb but for some reason that got changed... | 09:21 |
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| * apachelogger needs to write a Kubuntu is Ubuntu blog post | 09:23 | |
| * persia adds a weighting of several gazillion to that task. | 09:23 | |
| hrw | apachelogger: mostly adding -mimplicit-it=thumb from Qt to kde packages to get them built | 09:24 |
| apachelogger | hrw: yeah, see also a recent mail to kubuntu-devel | 09:24 |
| hrw | apachelogger: will look | 09:24 |
| apachelogger | we can easily add it globally for all of KDE | 09:24 |
| persia | Didn't doko want to not do that? | 09:24 |
| apachelogger | however I think it ought to be changed in gcc, or rather find out why it did get changed from defaulting to thumb | 09:25 |
| apachelogger | persia: he wanted to get poked is what I have heared | 09:25 |
| persia | Did he get poked yet? | 09:25 |
| hrw | apachelogger: which one? | 09:25 |
| apachelogger | he is not available this week | 09:25 |
| apachelogger | hrw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-October/004858.html | 09:26 |
| hrw | thx | 09:26 |
| persia | Aha! So we're basically stuck until post-plumbers. makes sense. | 09:27 |
| hrw | apachelogger: kdepimlibs fails same way | 09:27 |
| hrw | kdebindings also | 09:27 |
| persia | I know we went to a fair bit of trouble to port everything *to* thumb, because it was smaller, so better cache fit, so I'm a big fan of waiting on doko for this. | 09:27 |
| hrw | kdebase-workspace is what I will check after kdebindings got built | 09:28 |
| apachelogger | hrw: from what I gather most of kde fails due to it | 09:28 |
| hrw | apachelogger: I also would like to see toolchain people opinion. | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | that would be doko, who is pluming this week | 09:29 |
| hrw | or people from Linaro toolchain WG can look too | 09:29 |
| persia | hrw, Can you work on maverick this week, against natty chroots? | 09:30 |
| hrw | as this is kind of gcc-4.5 regression compared to gcc-4.4 | 09:30 |
| persia | hrw, If you want to involve them, we might identify the problem more closely, but I'd still want to involve doko in a final solution. | 09:30 |
| hrw | persia: what you want to be checked? I can create maverick chroot or maverick system | 09:30 |
| persia | I don't need anything checked. I just know maverick/kde works, so wondered if you could create natty chroots on a maverick system and work in the chroots. | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: ping | 09:31 |
| hrw | persia: on panda I do not use X11 at all so it is safe to be natty for me | 09:32 |
| persia | Ah, OK. | 09:32 |
| hrw | persia: need to send my primary lcd for repair - backlight died | 09:32 |
| hrw | persia: so in meantime I hack kde to build as smartbook is natty now and it is device hard to reinstall | 09:33 |
| hrw | too many packages hacked by genesi | 09:33 |
| * hrw -> bisecting binutils | 09:36 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ping | 09:38 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ping | 09:39 |
| apachelogger | valorie: ping | 09:39 |
| valorie | o/ | 09:40 |
| apachelogger | valorie: did you send me your user profile yet? | 09:40 |
| valorie | no | 09:40 |
| valorie | I shall try my netbook again right now | 09:41 |
| valorie | I fear 'tis dead still, though | 09:41 |
| apachelogger | sue someone!!! | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | for some reason my fluffy blog post had 289 views the past week :O | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | fregl: we srsly need to get new steam behind the project | 09:42 |
| valorie | well, I'll have to send it back | 09:46 |
| valorie | it began to start up, and immediately shut down | 09:46 |
| valorie | I guess I'll have to re-write | 09:46 |
| valorie | :( | 09:46 |
| valorie | it was pretty good, too | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | stupid netbook | 09:46 |
| valorie | I was going to work on the monthly report | 09:46 |
| valorie | but there is nothing there about the meeting, going to UDS, talks given, etc.? | 09:47 |
| valorie | shall I add sections? | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | please | 09:47 |
| valorie | ok | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | though | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | question is if we should have a section with all stuff that we talked about | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | or just general a line saying UDS happened with loads of discussion and fun.. | 09:47 |
| hrw | uds was nice event but too many sessions to attend so I skipped kde ones ;( | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | you really need to fix your priorities :P | 09:52 |
| persia | apachelogger, You will want to detail all the sessions for the Proceedings anyway, which means that publicity posts can just point at that. | 09:52 |
| * apachelogger demands more focused topics really | 09:52 | |
| hrw | apachelogger: uds-n was work for me, not pleasure | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | persia: good point | 09:53 |
| * jussi demands more apachelogger clones | 09:53 | |
| apachelogger | valorie: I think a one liner linking to the proceedings should suffice | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | hrw: work and pleasure are not mutually exclusive... in some businesses anyway... oh I better stop here... | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I'd really need some pix of our paddling trip, that currently sort of holds back uds blog posts :/ | 09:54 |
| valorie | no list of attendees? | 09:55 |
| hrw | apachelogger: ;d | 09:56 |
| valorie | perhaps link to our TODO ? or the Proceedings ? | 09:56 |
| valorie | oops, you said that | 09:56 |
| valorie | ok | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | valorie: well, you could list the attendes if you wish to | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | probably better from a community magic POV | 09:56 |
| valorie | hrw, did we meet? | 09:57 |
| hrw | valorie: nope, I would remember | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | oh dang | 10:00 |
| * apachelogger forgot to write about hottubs | 10:00 | |
| apachelogger | dang | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: also I would need hot tub pictures for that matter... ;) | 10:00 |
| hrw | 66% of kdebindings... | 10:01 |
| hrw | I like that percentage infos of cmake | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | cmake++ | 10:02 |
| valorie | http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv | 10:02 |
| valorie | lots of pictures | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | scary ones too | 10:03 |
| jussi | apachelogger: and salmiakki | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | oh, right, omg | 10:06 |
| jussi | and nasty irc councillors forcing you onto the scary waterslide :P | 10:06 |
| Sput | oooh, salmiakki | 10:06 |
| * jussi wonders how drunk that guy from the kernel team got... | 10:07 | |
| jussi | :D | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | ati is rather silly | 10:12 |
| Sput | why? | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | on their driver page they talk about version 10.9 while current is 10.10 | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | also the documentation for 10.10 is there, just not referenced.. | 10:17 |
| valorie | gads, where is that photo of all of us at UDS, *not* on FB? | 10:24 |
| valorie | somewhere I can link to it? | 10:24 |
| persia | http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072081201_cBWXK is a feed by the person who took the photo. Dunno if it's included. | 10:26 |
| valorie | nope | 10:27 |
| valorie | shadeslayer took it, I think | 10:27 |
| valorie | but it's only in FB that I can find now | 10:27 |
| persia | Oh, different value of "all". | 10:29 |
| valorie | Riddell, ScottK, Apachelogger, Shadeslayer, Rbelem, Maco, Persia, Jussi, Valorie | 10:29 |
| valorie | is who I have as attendees | 10:29 |
| * persia was thinking of http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072410213_b8Tpw | 10:29 | |
| valorie | oh, darkwingduck! | 10:29 |
| valorie | that is a great one | 10:30 |
| valorie | but I'm filling in the monthly report, and thought the photo might be nice in there | 10:30 |
| jussi | Does anyone have a picture of me in my death suit? | 10:30 |
| valorie | you missed out being in that one! | 10:30 |
| persia | I think you meant http://www.flickr.com/photos/45059736@N02/5140100462/in/set-72157625297087490/ | 10:30 |
| valorie | sadly, I missed taking on, jussi | 10:31 |
| valorie | woooooo! | 10:31 |
| valorie | yup, that's the one I wanted | 10:31 |
| valorie | thanks, persia | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | valorie: agateau? mgraesslin? darkwingduck? cute? | 10:31 |
| valorie | dangit, i didn't try his name all mushed together | 10:31 |
| valorie | cute? | 10:32 |
| jussi | Qt | 10:32 |
| jussi | :D | 10:32 |
| valorie | haha | 10:32 |
| persia | valorie, So, that URL is yet another reason to install a core somewhere :p | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | valorie: thiago, densi, zeno IIRC | 10:34 |
| valorie | hmm, cute, densi and zeno I don't recall | 10:36 |
| valorie | or only got "real" names | 10:36 |
| valorie | as if our irc nicks aren't real | 10:36 |
| valorie | lol | 10:36 |
| * apachelogger is not following | 10:37 | |
| valorie | Riddell, ScottK, Apachelogger, Shadeslayer, Rbelem, Maco, agateau, mgraesslin, darkwingduck, cute, Persia, Jussi, Valorie, thiago, densi, zeno | 10:37 |
| valorie | complete list of the team at UDS? | 10:37 |
| jussi | will you stop pinging me!! | 10:37 |
| valorie | sorry | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | valorie: cute = thiago, denis, zeno | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | oh | 10:37 |
| valorie | ok | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | that came out wrong | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | Qt = thiago, denis, zeno | 10:37 |
| valorie | lol | 10:37 |
| jussi | apachelogger: slip of the tongue :D | 10:37 |
| Sput | keys are right next to each other | 10:38 |
| valorie | fixed | 10:38 |
| * apachelogger looks for his doom3 box | 10:39 | |
| ScottK | hrw: Do you have a ~current kernel running on your smartbook? | 10:48 |
| ScottK | persia: Doens't CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb leave it in Thumb mode (so we're still getting the advantages of it)? | 10:49 |
| ScottK | That's what we've been doing, not falling back to -marm. | 10:50 |
| persia | Yeah, but mixing thumb and non-thumb is awkward and lead to N fails-to-run bugs during lucid. We really don't want to recompile everything in the archive again, if we can avoid it. | 10:50 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I confirmed that CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb works on dh 7 packages too, so that can be a general solution for us. | 10:50 |
| hrw | ScottK: no, 2.6.31.14.2 | 10:50 |
| hrw | ScottK: and 2.6.35 on pandaboard | 10:50 |
| persia | So best practice is to make sure we have sensible toolchain defaults, *NOT* to hack around things manually (or even in a semi-automated way) | 10:51 |
| ScottK | hrw: There will be an mx51 kernel for Natty, so when we have that, it will be interesting. | 10:51 |
| hrw | ScottK: mx51 for babbage is even more or less usable. mx51 for smartbook needs probably more work | 10:52 |
| ScottK | persia: What's the downside if we fix our packages to produce what a sane tool chain would have produced until the toolchain maintainer re-appears/gets around to it? | 10:52 |
| persia | fail-to-run if you link against anything in core that didn't do that. | 10:53 |
| persia | Oh, and probably fail-to-run anyway, because the kernel folk aren't likely to do that. | 10:53 |
| ScottK | persia: But anything that doesn't do that won't build, so how does that happen? | 10:53 |
| persia | Which leads to fail-to-load-userspace-after-booting, which is annoying. | 10:53 |
| ScottK | OK. | 10:53 |
| ScottK | I'm not in favor of that. | 10:54 |
| persia | It won't build because ARM code can't link against thumb code. | 10:54 |
| persia | But some stuff (like the kernel) doesn't use symbolic libraries, so there's potential for creep. | 10:54 |
| persia | In the case that the toolchain folk decide that Thumb wasn't really worth it (there's arguments that it might be a bit slower in execution, although it's smaller code size, giving less cache loads, and benchmarking is fairly undecided from what I've seen), it would be nicer to just give-back the failed stuff after sorting the base libraries than needing to repatch everything the other way. | 10:55 |
| ScottK | Sigh. | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | !find libgtk-1.2.so.0 | 10:56 |
| ubottu | Package/file libgtk-1.2.so.0 does not exist in maverick | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | omg | 10:56 |
| ScottK | Dear lord no. | 10:56 |
| persia | \o/ | 10:56 |
| ScottK | We killed that dead several releases ago. | 10:56 |
| persia | For many good reasons. | 10:56 |
| ScottK | It took a lot of nails to get the coffin to stay shut. | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | poor thing | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | good ol doom3 installer for linux wants it | 10:57 |
| valorie | gads, for some reason the photo won't display | 10:57 |
| * apachelogger wonders why it is not part of the installer itself though | 10:57 | |
| apachelogger | clearly that installer is a bit of the silly kind | 10:57 |
| valorie | but since it's 4am, I hope someone else can figure out why | 10:57 |
| valorie | niters all | 10:57 |
| Tm_T | since when doom3 has been "good old" ? | 10:58 |
| ScottK | hrw: We could definitely use someone working on KDE integration on the smartbook. I've got smarttop systems to work on getting stuff to build. | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: what is it 2004, 2005 maybe? | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | that is srsly old | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | is not | 10:59 |
| * Tm_T still lays Wolfenstein 3d | 10:59 | |
| Tm_T | plays even | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | :O | 11:00 |
| hrw | ScottK: thats why I am rebuilding all kde packages one by one on pandaboard now | 11:01 |
| hrw | ScottK: goal is: build them, install on smartbook, get desktop | 11:01 |
| Sput | there's other games than starcraft? | 11:02 |
| ScottK | Sput: There's trolling Windows users on quassel. | 11:02 |
| ScottK | There was supposed to be a "#" | 11:02 |
| Sput | ScottK: true, true | 11:03 |
| Sput | though I'm not sure if that's a game! | 11:03 |
| ScottK | It is fun though. | 11:04 |
| Sput | ScottK: not sure if "hitting people already lying on the ground below dead horses" should be fun :) | 11:06 |
| persia | It's kinda like polo | 11:07 |
| ScottK | Sput: I didn't say it should be. I said it is. | 11:15 |
| ScottK | hrw: We will need to look into how much of KDE we really want running on arm in order to help with performance. 512MB is a tight squeeze for KDE. | 11:19 |
| persia | The 512MB is the big argument for -mthumb | 11:21 |
| ScottK | On i386 I can run a full plasma-netbook session in 1GB ram and do some stuff without hitting swap. It would be very nice to get the same kind of experience with a reduced set of things on arm. | 11:24 |
| hrw | ScottK: I will run plasma-desktop rather then plasma-netbook | 11:28 |
| ScottK | hrw: It's heavier on RAM and CPU, so I think more difficult to get a good user experience. | 11:28 |
| hrw | ScottK: on my 1366x768 x86 laptop I cant adapt to netbook | 11:28 |
| ScottK | I have an actual i386 netbook that it works well on. i use -desktop on my actual laptop. | 11:29 |
| hrw | ScottK: will check once will get all working | 11:29 |
| ScottK | In any case, if you adapt things for -desktop, generally -netbook should just work since it's a less stressing case. | 11:29 |
| ScottK | Great. | 11:30 |
| fregl | ouch | 11:33 |
| fregl | apachelogger: yep, time to get going on fluffy again | 11:33 |
| ScottK | Riddell: http://fmontesi.blogspot.com/2010/11/plasma-crashing-upon-login-after.html looks like something to get an SRU in for before this weekend so US users don't have the same problem. | 11:35 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Maybe you could have your minion investigate ^^^ (I know you're occupied with important fluffy matters). | 11:36 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: agreed | 11:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: photos coming shortly | 11:59 |
| Riddell | I just had an e-mail from someone asking for lucid packages of 4.5 if they pay for them, any takers? | 11:59 |
| persia | Such dedication to free software. If not for yourselves, take the opportunity as a political statement to encourage funding free software developers. | 12:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger, shadeslayer: ^^ what's your consulting rate? | 12:11 |
| ulysses | Riddell: 4.5.3? | 12:12 |
| Riddell | ulysses: yes | 12:16 |
| ulysses | that would be nice | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: 4.5 - shadeslayer can do it for 30 EUR/h, having it reviewed by me adds another 200 EUR/h | 12:19 |
| * persia encourages piece-pricing rather than hourly pricing | 12:21 | |
| hrw | good to know what rates people have ;D | 12:21 |
| === hrw is now known as hrw|afk | ||
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: please prepare a SRU kde rev 1187999 | 12:22 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1187999&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1187999 | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: maybe flattr it or something | 12:23 |
| * apachelogger aint got no idea how flattr works, but surely it is related to the question at hand | 12:23 | |
| persia | http://retout.co.uk/blog/2010/11/03/flattr-y_will_get_you_nowhere is an interesting viewpoint on flattr | 12:24 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| shadeslayer | Riddell: sure | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | well | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: my packages do not need alot of review :P | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: if they pay me half the monies upfront ill do it :> | 12:52 |
| * shadeslayer needs a new phone | 12:53 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/ | 12:54 |
| === jefferai-away is now known as jefferai | ||
| apachelogger | yay | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | Riddell++ | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: your rate says different :P | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | oh dang | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | I also forgot to write about our stop @KFC | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | hot tubbing! | 13:05 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: It's not hot tubbing when you only stick your feet in. | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | lolz | 13:17 |
| === hrw|afk is now known as hrw | ||
| jussi | ScottK: will these work on our boxen? http://www.powerdeveloper.org/platforms/efikamx/linux | 13:40 |
| * ScottK looks at persia. | 13:40 | |
| ScottK | jussi: I'm waiting until we have a working kernel in the archive, but that's just me. | 13:41 |
| jussi | ScottK: when Ive a choice of Jaunty or those, I know what Im choosing... :D | 13:42 |
| ScottK | jussi: There's a karmic kernel that works. | 13:42 |
| jussi | ScottK: but what about those maverick images there? | 13:43 |
| jussi | and how do .lzma files work? | 13:43 |
| ScottK | jussi: No idea. I avoid software from outside the official archive when I can. | 13:43 |
| \sh | apachelogger: how do someone add a stream url to internet -> cool streams view inside amarok? ;) | 13:46 |
| \sh | s/do/does/ | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | \sh: to cool streams you need to file a bug I think | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | or you add your own section | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://kde.org/info/4.5.3.php#binary is all sorts of broken | 14:06 |
| shadeslayer | we do not have any packages :( | 14:06 |
| ScottK | That's because it's not released yet. | 14:07 |
| ScottK | (AFAIK) | 14:07 |
| Riddell | it is | 14:11 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 14:15 |
| Riddell | but we have other releases to catch up on too, kdevelop and was there a koffice release? | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: at work? | 14:22 |
| ulysses | koffice 2.3 beta 3 released on 28th October | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | ohhhh, silly firefox .... | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | ah, there we go | 14:24 |
| ulysses | and KDevelop 4.1 final released on 25th October | 14:24 |
| * apachelogger is totallz windowslogger right now | 14:26 | |
| apachelogger | with german kbd layout too | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | ulysses: i did some of the kdevelop stuff, but then the UDS party got underway | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer | and i was busy for 7days | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer | and i looked at the koffice package... i really really really do not want to do that package | 14:31 |
| * shadeslayer is scared shitless of koffice packages now | 14:32 | |
| ulysses | I can't package, I'm only a translator with Lucid:( | 14:32 |
| ulysses | Oh, KOffice 2.2.83 contains Hungarian translation files \o/\o/\o/ | 14:33 |
| ScottK | ulysses: You can learn. | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: your minion awaits you | 14:33 |
| * ScottK is too busy for minions. | 14:33 | |
| * ScottK needs more core-devs with minions. | 14:33 | |
| ulysses | ScottK: and I want to learn | 14:33 |
| ScottK | or kubuntu-devs. | 14:33 |
| ScottK | ulysses: shadeslayer will teach you in order to improve his own understaanding. | 14:34 |
| Riddell | ulysses: you want to learn packaging? | 14:34 |
| ulysses | Riddell: yes | 14:34 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: another minion for you then? :P | 14:34 |
| Riddell | ulysses: groovy, fancy starting with a kdiff3 rebuild? | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | I do love my minions | 14:34 |
| ulysses | Riddell: I'll do what is needed | 14:35 |
| Riddell | ulysses: do you know where to start? | 14:36 |
| * shadeslayer points to pbuilder and udd | 14:37 | |
| ulysses | Riddell: set up a pbuilder and install kubuntu-dev-tools? | 14:37 |
| Riddell | ulysses: personally I wouldn't use either | 14:37 |
| Riddell | it's a no change upload | 14:38 |
| Riddell | so you just need to download the existing sources, add a changelog, rebuild as source, make the debdiff | 14:38 |
| ulysses | Riddell: okay, I'll do it | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | oh btw they fixed urlbar in rekonq trunk... but now it doesnt show any suggestions ^_^ | 14:39 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: works for me, compiled last friday I think | 14:39 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: the kde:foo thingy? | 14:40 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: seems to work | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | do you get suggestions from urlbar? | 14:41 |
| Riddell | yes, not relevant to api.kde.org though | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | brrr | 14:42 |
| Riddell | https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html has pleasingly few kde packages on it, good work people! | 14:42 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: yes | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: nvm then | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: doesnt work for me :( | 14:45 |
| shadeslayer | your on 170aadd79adcef19e36dc10d5b4f0112997a7a7e ? | 14:45 |
| ScottK | BTW, no more powerpc specific FTBFS on natty for KDE now. | 14:47 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: acdc42e067c5bea90cb1017db919c267fd0bf0d7 | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | ah see, it doesnt work if you pull in the last few commits | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/friendly-kubuntu-team-uds-edition/ | 14:49 |
| Riddell | https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html also pleasinly small numbers of kde/qt packages | 14:55 |
| Riddell | I wonder if that's all lex's doing | 14:55 |
| hrw | speaking of merges... | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you went hot tubbing after i left as well? :P | 15:01 |
| hrw | can someone push kdiff3 for rebuild? | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | hrw: ulysses is working on it | 15:01 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: PK has debconf support now, what is the policy to this, package get patched, goes to backports or just in next release? | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | or he is supposed to be working on it | 15:02 |
| hrw | cool | 15:02 |
| hrw | I rebuilt it locally | 15:02 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: I'm not sure I follow | 15:03 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: there is upstream support for debconf and you want that to get into the archives? | 15:03 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: PK-glib (which makes gnome-pk enabled) | 15:03 |
| dantti_work | also gnome-pk needs a new package since the current does not work, but I'm not sure we need to worry or if there is someone worried by that already | 15:04 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: we can add patches in natty and get that into maverick-backports | 15:04 |
| Riddell | packagekit is also almost in debian http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html | 15:05 |
| Riddell | might be good to keep in sync with the debian packaging | 15:05 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: for natty we could just add the new version no? | 15:05 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: yes if it's a new version that can go into natty | 15:05 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: new versions can also go into maverick-backports (backports allows possible regressions) | 15:06 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: if it's a major bug it can be patched and put into maverick-updates, but I don't think this is a bug (it's a missing feature) | 15:06 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: nice, so I guess pk 0.6.10 is fine then | 15:06 |
| dantti_work | sure | 15:07 |
| dantti_work | about gnomies is there anything to worry? | 15:07 |
| * ScottK isn't worrying. | 15:09 | |
| dantti_work | :) | 15:09 |
| ulysses | Riddell: I sent the debdiff in mail | 15:13 |
| Riddell | ulysses: nice start, two things need fixing | 15:15 |
| Riddell | ulysses: lucid should be natty | 15:15 |
| Riddell | and the changelog entry need to be more verbose | 15:15 |
| Riddell | "No change rebuild for libkonq5a transition" for example | 15:15 |
| Riddell | revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdevelop-pg-qt | 15:17 |
| ulysses | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/a0NvzAJ4 | 15:21 |
| Riddell | lovely | 15:23 |
| Riddell | ulysses: ah wait | 15:24 |
| Riddell | ulysses: you're starting with the wrong version | 15:24 |
| Riddell | ulysses: you need to get the latest sources from natty not from lucid | 15:24 |
| Riddell | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdiff3 | 15:24 |
| Riddell | for the natty one copy the URL of the .dsc file and dget it | 15:25 |
| Riddell | dpkg-source -x foo.dsc to extract | 15:26 |
| ulysses | Riddell: Should I change debian/control? | 15:27 |
| Riddell | ulysses: what would you change about it? | 15:28 |
| hrw | ah. kobby was a thing which I needed to rebuild during UDS - otherwise it crashed badly | 15:28 |
| ulysses | Riddell: from libkonq5-dev to libkonq5a-dev, or not? | 15:29 |
| Riddell | ulysses: no that hasn't changed | 15:29 |
| ScottK | hrw: Even with rebuild it still crashed due to an IPv4/IPv6 interoperability problem. | 15:32 |
| ulysses | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/QxuV7YdS | 15:32 |
| hrw | ScottK: worked fine enough for me | 15:33 |
| ScottK | I think the got rid of the IPv6 avahi session after the first day or something. | 15:33 |
| Riddell | ulysses: one more change I'm afraid | 15:40 |
| Riddell | ulysses: for a no change rebuild to debian package we use -Xbuild1 instead of -Xubuntu1 | 15:40 |
| Riddell | could you change that? | 15:40 |
| ulysses | of course | 15:40 |
| ulysses | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/pzHcVT6R | 15:44 |
| hrw | real 223m24.283s | 15:47 |
| hrw | user 194m31.031s | 15:47 |
| hrw | sys 8m40.914s | 15:47 |
| hrw | nice time for kdebindings | 15:47 |
| Riddell | ulysses: groovy | 15:47 |
| Riddell | ulysses: uploading! | 15:47 |
| Riddell | ulysses: uploaded! | 15:48 |
| * Riddell puts a ninja mask onto ulysses | 15:48 | |
| Riddell | hrw: what are you doing with kdebindings? | 15:48 |
| hrw | Riddell: rebuilding for armel | 15:49 |
| hrw | Riddell: local needs | 15:49 |
| Riddell | ooh that'll take years | 15:49 |
| Riddell | hrw: for natty or something else? | 15:50 |
| ScottK | Riddell: He's making KDE work on his Efika smartbook while we wait for the implicit IT thing to get sorted in the toolchain. | 15:50 |
| hrw | Riddell: natty | 15:50 |
| hrw | like ScottK said | 15:50 |
| hrw | thx skfin | 15:50 |
| hrw | thx ScottK | 15:50 |
| Riddell | ulysses: if you want to do more packaging there's a few merges needing done, e.g. ktechlab https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | 15:58 |
| Riddell | kdesvn | 15:58 |
| Riddell | let me know if you want to do them and I can take you through the process | 15:58 |
| ulysses | I want! | 15:59 |
| Riddell | ulysses: try kdesvn first maybe | 15:59 |
| Riddell | grab the natty sources and work out why we haven't just used the debian package (i.e. what did we change) | 16:00 |
| Riddell | then grab the debian package and work out if that change is still needed | 16:00 |
| Riddell | if it is, change the debian package, merge the changelogs, do a debdiff | 16:00 |
| Riddell | if not, file a sync request so we can sync it from debian directly | 16:00 |
| Riddell | there's a comment on that merges site saying "No real need of merge" so I expect it'll be a trivial change that we want to keep | 16:01 |
| ScottK | That may be from a previous upload however. | 16:02 |
| ScottK | There was a bug that old comments weren't getting cleared. | 16:02 |
| ScottK | It's fixed for the future, but the backlog is still there. | 16:03 |
| ulysses | „Keep the docbook FTBFS patch” | 16:03 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 16:03 |
| Riddell | so grab the debian version, put that patch into it, merge changelogs, debdiff | 16:04 |
| Riddell | build in pbuilder to check (if you know how to get pbuilder to use natty, I just use chroots myself) | 16:05 |
| ScottK | debbootstrap in maverick knows about natty. | 16:06 |
| ScottK | (that's all that's release specific) | 16:06 |
| ScottK | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools | 16:06 |
| ScottK | pbuilder-dist natty create | 16:07 |
| ScottK | pbuilder-dist natty build foo.dsc | 16:07 |
| ScottK | Not hard. | 16:07 |
| sheytan | Hey dudes :D | 16:08 |
| sheytan | apachelogger http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2208/udsheader.png | 16:08 |
| ScottK | Nice. Needs to be more fluffy however. | 16:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | Morning | 16:25 |
| ulysses | Riddell: natty version fails on debuild: http://pastebin.com/TyYnyyLJ | 16:26 |
| Riddell | ulysses: that's because you're using an ancience version of kubuntu :) | 16:27 |
| Riddell | oh no it's not | 16:27 |
| Riddell | you just need to install pkg-kde-tools | 16:27 |
| ulysses | I cA | 16:28 |
| ulysses | I can't use newer version:( | 16:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: Do you want me to add each Doc that needs to be done on the main WiKi or, should I make a new ToDo for doc list? | 16:28 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: if you can follow the same format and use https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo that would be best | 16:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: Roger. :) | 16:30 |
| Riddell | make a new table under the other docs tasks I think | 16:30 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: I'll figure it out and I'll get it finished today. | 16:31 |
| Riddell | ok koffice is updated thanks to lex, fix uploaded to beta PPA for maverick backports | 16:32 |
| Riddell | kdevelop all uploaded, kdevelop-pg-qt still needing comments on revu | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer | ooh | 16:33 |
| ulysses | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/u7DqgTJw | 16:39 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-41-packaged | 16:40 |
| Riddell | ulysses: the old changelogs should be merged too | 16:41 |
| Riddell | the ones from our current package | 16:41 |
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| ulysses | Riddell: with merge-changelog, right? | 16:50 |
| Riddell | ulysses: maybe, I've always just done it by hand | 16:53 |
| ulysses | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kdesvn_1.5.4-2ubuntu1.dsc.debdiff | 16:58 |
| Riddell | ulysses: lovely | 16:59 |
| Riddell | ulysses: ooh | 16:59 |
| Riddell | ulysses: I just checked debian, they have a newer version in experimental | 17:00 |
| Riddell | ulysses: so next task is to grab the debian experimental version and check if it compiles and runs fine in natty without that patch | 17:00 |
| Riddell | http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/kdesvn | 17:00 |
| ari-tczew | ulysses: kubuntu developer in orange colors? | 17:00 |
| ScottK | ari-tczew: We're all part of the Ubuntu project. | 17:01 |
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| ari-tczew | ScottK: Just thought about blue colors. | 17:01 |
| ulysses | ari-tczew: I don't get it:P | 17:01 |
| ScottK | !away | hrw|gone | 17:02 |
| ubottu | hrw|gone: You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» | 17:02 |
| hrw|gone | ScottK: sorry that *ubuntu* channels have different rules. I use nick|gone way for 14 years. | 17:03 |
| ScottK | hrw|gone: That's the rule on any of the busier channels that I'm aware of. | 17:04 |
| ari-tczew | ulysses: I was wondering, that Kubuntu developers everywhere uses blue colors. | 17:05 |
| ulysses | Riddell: kdesvn from Debian experimental build fine with debuild -S without our patch | 17:07 |
| Riddell | ulysses: how about in natty with a chroot or pbuilder? | 17:07 |
| Riddell | ulysses: a full build I mean (not source build) | 17:07 |
| ulysses | Riddell: pbuilder doesn't know natty in Lucid :'( | 17:08 |
| ScottK | ulysses: Grab the debbootstrap from Natty and then rebuild it for lucid and install it. | 17:08 |
| ScottK | Then it will. | 17:08 |
| Riddell | and request a backport to lucid while you're at it :) | 17:10 |
| ulysses | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/debootstrap_1.0.23ubuntu2.dsc.debdiff ? | 17:15 |
| ulysses | it's building in my ppa | 17:16 |
| ScottK | ulysses: Except make the version ....ubuntu1~lucid1 so when you upgrade you get the newer package | 17:16 |
| ulysses | ScottK: okay | 17:17 |
| ulysses | Build successfully on build server, now I update the version number and build again | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | um.. | 17:26 |
| ulysses | Riddell: how do I a backport request? | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | ulysses: maybe the changelog should read : No change backport to lucid? | 17:27 |
| Riddell | ulysses: file a bug at launchpad.net/lucid-backports | 17:27 |
| sheytan | Kubuntu entertainment page (games) with something for apachelogger http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2010/gamesow.jpg :D:D | 17:34 |
| ulysses | I thought it will be a Dalek :$ | 17:35 |
| sheytan | hey | 17:36 |
| sheytan | does kubuntu support bluray movies? | 17:36 |
| sheytan | i mean by default | 17:36 |
| Riddell | no | 17:36 |
| sheytan | Riddell what's the hack to have that support? | 17:36 |
| sheytan | swithc to VLC? :D | 17:37 |
| Riddell | there isn't one, it doesn't have a free implementation yet | 17:37 |
| Riddell | vlc are working on it | 17:37 |
| sheytan | oh | 17:37 |
| sheytan | Riddell there are plans to switch to vlc, right | 17:37 |
| sheytan | ? | 17:37 |
| ScottK | No | 17:38 |
| ScottK | Discussed, but not planned. | 17:38 |
| Riddell | more likely to gstreamer actually | 17:38 |
| sheytan | ScottK Riddell :( i wish vlc as default :) | 17:38 |
| * ScottK notes that some things are common across distros - Pick the common thread from http://borntobeopen.blogspot.com/2010/11/fedora-14-kde-plasma-desktop-one.html | 17:38 | |
| ScottK | sheytan: I wish X wouldn't crash ... | 17:39 |
| sheytan | ScottK swithc to vlc is simpler :D | 17:39 |
| Riddell | ScottK: how do you mean common thread? | 17:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: The complaints about web site updating sounded familiar. | 17:42 |
| Riddell | ah, yes | 17:43 |
| sheytan | Riddell one more thing. Web cam support | 17:44 |
| sheytan | an app for | 17:44 |
| sheytan | will there be any by default? :D | 17:44 |
| Riddell | kopete? | 17:45 |
| sheytan | Riddell oh yeah :D | 17:45 |
| sheytan | thanks :D | 17:45 |
| sheytan | and... how do you like the games page guys? :D | 17:46 |
| Riddell | I like it plenty | 17:47 |
| Riddell | covers the main options well | 17:47 |
| sheytan | thank you :D | 17:48 |
| Riddell | sheytan: if you fancy working on something that will probably see the light of day faster than the website redesign you can put the CD image page on your todo | 17:49 |
| Riddell | make http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/HEADER.html as pretty as http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/HEADER.html | 17:49 |
| sheytan | Riddell they're both the same :) | 17:50 |
| sheytan | the links | 17:50 |
| Riddell | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20101007/HEADER.html I mean | 17:50 |
| sheytan | Riddell we can do better :D | 17:52 |
| sheytan | and now i don't know what cool should i write about dragon player :( | 17:54 |
| Riddell | "it plays videos, what more do you want?" | 17:54 |
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| sheytan | Riddell well, for one line it's ok :D But as you see we need more :D | 17:55 |
| sheytan | Riddell did you take a look at that spreadsheet ofir has made in google docs? | 17:55 |
| sheytan | with kubuntu accounts | 17:55 |
| sheytan | we've got new one available everywhere :D | 17:55 |
| Riddell | I don't think I've seen that | 17:56 |
| sheytan | Riddell https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuqhNgwMdLZ0dGZENWdlRnNpaW1lVWZJUzRsU1cwUXc&hl=en&pli=1#gid=0 | 17:57 |
| sheytan | ah, it's for ryanakca | 17:58 |
| Riddell | "We're sorry, riddell@gmail.com does not have permission to access this spreadsheet." | 17:58 |
| sheytan | anyway, we have the name KubuntuOS for pages like youtube, facebook, etc :) | 17:58 |
| sheytan | ofir said he will create accounts with that name there :D | 17:59 |
| * ScottK notes that Dragonplayer fits will with 4.1 of tha Tao: http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html#book4 | 17:59 | |
| * ScottK suspects apachelogger has read 4.2. | 18:00 | |
| ulysses | ScottK: pbuilder working, 'I: Retrieving ..' lines are going | 18:07 |
| ScottK | ulysses: Sounds like you are on your way. | 18:08 |
| ulysses | bug 670537 is ok? | 18:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 670537 in lucid-backports "Please backport debootstrap from Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670537 | 18:09 |
| ScottK | ulysses: Approved. Now you just need an archive admin with shell access (like Riddell) to do the official backport. | 18:11 |
| debfx | ScottK: can you accept the gcc-3.3 backport in the karmic and lucid NEW queue? | 18:17 |
| ScottK | debfx: Looking. | 18:18 |
| ScottK | debfx: binary accepted on Lucid and accepted the source on Karmic. | 18:23 |
| sheytan | Riddell you can if you want http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2815/movies.jpg :D | 18:27 |
| Riddell | sheytan: is that you on the webcam image? | 18:29 |
| sheytan | Riddell nope, it's a shot from kde-apps :D | 18:29 |
| sheytan | why? :D | 18:30 |
| Riddell | just checking :) | 18:30 |
| sheytan | oh yeah. Nope it's not me :) | 18:30 |
| Riddell | videos is a reall fun -> videos is fun | 18:30 |
| sheytan | why ? :D | 18:30 |
| Riddell | "a reall" the "a" is bad grammer. the "reall" is a spelling mistake and "real" sounds very american | 18:31 |
| Riddell | also in the top banner "Thankfully to our Design Team" -> "Thanks to KDE's Oxygen team" | 18:31 |
| * ScottK would say videos are real fun. | 18:32 | |
| sheytan | Riddell all text needs a review. This one my friend will do :) | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: uh... in case you arent busy... have you signed my keys? :) | 18:35 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I haven't and I am. | 18:36 |
| shadeslayer | ok.. | 18:36 |
| * ScottK notes shadeslayer should read http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html if he hasn't. It will make apachelogger more comprehensible. | 18:36 | |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: a guide to make apachelogger's talk make sense? | 18:38 |
| shadeslayer | that has to be a first | 18:38 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I won't go that far. | 18:38 |
| shadeslayer | you mean its a start? :P | 18:38 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 18:42 |
| Riddell | ulysses: once you've done with kdesvn an interesting task might be to make a whole new package, this looks like something we should look into http://kodeclutz.blogspot.com/ | 18:43 |
| jussi | apachelogger: is definatle not comprehensible... :D | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | A minions guid to apachelogger .... | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | guide even | 18:43 |
| * Riddell is parallel building 4.5.3 for 10.10 on 6 amazon EC2 instances | 18:46 | |
| jussi | lol | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | poor EC2 machines | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | but then.... we get new KDE release | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | so.... Go amazon Go! | 18:48 |
| debfx | ScottK: thanks, one step closer to get the backport finally done :) | 18:51 |
| ScottK | debfx: Yep. Feel free to ping me when the Karmic one is in binary New. | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://www.davidfaure.fr/kde/save-or-open-after.png << does that look better, or do you want right click > open with in rekonq? | 18:53 |
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| shadeslayer | because i think i can do that ^ | 18:53 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: that dialogue from dfaure looks interesting | 18:54 |
| Riddell | would fix the issue for me | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | any other comments? | 18:54 |
| * ScottK likes directly right clicking on the link, but that would do. | 18:54 | |
| neversfelde | evening | 18:55 |
| neversfelde | are there any more details about this todo item "Use Locos to bring more people into Kubuntu members and development" | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer | neversfelde: talk to DarkWingDuck | 18:57 |
| neversfelde | ok | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | he's in charge of loco stuff i think | 18:57 |
| ScottK | To the extent one can be "in charge" around here. | 18:59 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: We discussed it a fair amount at UDS and he was there for all the discussions. | 18:59 |
| Riddell | also Tm_T was interested by that | 19:00 |
| neversfelde | yes, I know, we had a short talk a few days ago. | 19:01 |
| shadeslayer | those atlantic.net vouchers are useless -.- | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | you need to put in your credit card info... and i dont have one | 19:03 |
| neversfelde | the german team has five or six years of experience with Kubuntu loco work, we should share it with other locos | 19:03 |
| neversfelde | I am back online in about two weeks and I will put this on my todo | 19:04 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: usually late | 19:04 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: pong | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: go fix0r neon | 19:04 |
| Quintasan | what is broken now? | 19:05 |
| Riddell | what needs fixored in neon? | 19:05 |
| Quintasan | I bet it's shadeslayer's fault as usual :P | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: move to git has broken everything | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: blame git | 19:05 |
| Riddell | waa, what's moved now? | 19:05 |
| Quintasan | I think we need someone to look at kdebindings magic | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | i fixed the attica move... now more stuff from support has moved | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | see the yellow parts which havent been fixed :P | 19:06 |
| Quintasan | god damn, they are moving things now? | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | yus | 19:06 |
| Quintasan | HURR | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: projects.kde.org | 19:07 |
| Quintasan | herp derp | 19:07 |
| Riddell | I think things get moved as soon as the git import rules are written | 19:07 |
| * Quintasan has a physics test tomorrow and he must learn | 19:07 | |
| Riddell | Quintasan: stop skiving on IRC then! | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | for some reason, i now think svn was better :P | 19:07 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: is there a log of these discussions? | 19:07 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: No. They were in person. apachelogger may have taken notes. | 19:08 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: well, I hope I'll have some more time next week | 19:08 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: once neon gets a full session script we can pimp it all over the place | 19:08 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: wtf is cagibi? | 19:08 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: The idea (which I know will be particularly hard in Germany) is to try and promote loco teams as teams for the entire Ubuntu project (of which Kubuntu is one product). | 19:08 |
| Riddell | cagibi is the upnp library for KDE | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: *shrug* | 19:08 |
| Quintasan | oh okay | 19:09 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: shadeslayer was supposed to take care of that but it will be not necesssary until we get all modules packaged ad auto-building | 19:09 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: most of the stuff gets taken care by cmake magic | 19:10 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: any progress on the apparently broken imports of kdebase and kdesupport? | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer | just need to tweak stuff i think | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: nope, jelmer didnt reply | 19:10 |
| shadeslayer | need_bigger_poking_stick | 19:10 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: I disagree, I think all the important modules are there and we should get this promoted as soon as possible | 19:11 |
| Riddell | most developers want qt/kdelibs/kdebase so they can then build their own apps on top of trunk | 19:12 |
| Riddell | which is what is there | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: uh... plasma-desktop wont start after UDS :P | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | ( the neon one ) | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | complains about nepomuk | 19:12 |
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| Quintasan | hmm, that's a good point, but we can't get them to auto-build as long as nepomuk is borked | 19:12 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: oh bah | 19:13 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: we had some awesome luck that plasma started 10 mins before the talk :> | 19:13 |
| yofel | nepomuk currently is missing since soprano isn't packaged | 19:13 |
| shadeslayer | then nouveau krapped out | 19:13 |
| * shadeslayer remembers the horrible flickering | 19:14 | |
| yofel | good evening btw. :) | 19:14 |
| ulysses | this pbuilder is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | that is why | 19:14 |
| Quintasan | slow pbuilder is slow | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: Quintasan go fix neon! | 19:14 |
| ulysses | I don't remmeber when I started the creating | 19:14 |
| * yofel is just fnishing neon kdeadmin | 19:14 | |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: I'm currently more occupied by learning for my physics test | 19:15 |
| yofel | I left that half-done for some reason.. | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: likewise here ... | 19:15 |
| Riddell | good evening yofel | 19:15 |
| Quintasan | yofel: as Riddell said, we want core modules first so we can get more beer to work on other KDE modules | 19:15 |
| yofel | Quintasan: *should* you get some time, get soprano done :P https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging | 19:15 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer, yofel, Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Todo | 19:15 |
| * shadeslayer has that bookmarked | 19:16 | |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: add stuff if I missed something | 19:16 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 19:16 |
| Quintasan | it's our general todo dump site from now on | 19:16 |
| Quintasan | hmm, lex is not around | 19:16 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: i dont see World Domination | 19:16 |
| Quintasan | add it, quickly! | 19:17 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Do you know anything about that kdebindings magic? I can't get it to build | 19:17 |
| Quintasan | yofel: krap, we need SIP or PyQT rebuild? | 19:17 |
| yofel | lol | 19:17 |
| * Quintasan is making a XBox huge Todo for next week | 19:17 | |
| Riddell | Quintasan: which magic? | 19:18 |
| yofel | Quintasan: more like: can you package it so that it get's into /opt? your current SIP package *at least* breaks apport-kde | 19:18 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: let me get to the FTBFS part in pbuilder :/ | 19:19 |
| ulysses | Riddell: could you push debootstrap to lucid-backports? https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bug/670537 | 19:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 670537 in lucid-backports "Please backport debootstrap from Maverick" [Wishlist,In progress] | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | done | 19:19 |
| Quintasan | yofel: I will first make an update for Debian (they want it with python 3 stuff enabled) then I'm going to change it to meet out needs, | 19:19 |
| jussi | hrm... Im have a tar.lzma images... anyone know how to do something with them? ie. write to USB? (i know about the iso image burner, and the .img one... but tar.lzmma?) | 19:20 |
| yofel | sure, np | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | :O | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | lex is the KDE | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | lex.c: In function 'yy_fatal_error': | 19:20 |
| Quintasan | well, excuse me then, physics calls | 19:21 |
| shadeslayer | im off as well... | 19:21 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: nvm, now automoc4 fails | 19:22 |
| Riddell | waa | 19:22 |
| Riddell | ulysses: done | 19:22 |
| Quintasan | >http://pastebin.com/K36CyJCm | 19:23 |
| Quintasan | >part of kdesupport | 19:23 |
| Quintasan | herp derp | 19:23 |
| * Quintasan gives up for today | 19:23 | |
| yofel | Quintasan: if you need automoc, I did that (project-neon-automoc) | 19:23 |
| yofel | Quintasan: if you want a full list: attica, automoc, cagibi, akonadi, soprano and polkit-qt-1 were cut out of kdesupport | 19:24 |
| yofel | from that attica and automoc are packaged, the rest not | 19:26 |
| sheytan | Riddell are you ready? :D | 19:35 |
| Riddell | sheytan: totally. what am I ready for? | 19:37 |
| sheytan | Riddell the cd page :D | 19:37 |
| ulysses | pbuilder started building kdesvn \o/ | 19:37 |
| Riddell | ulysses: yay! | 19:38 |
| Riddell | sheytan: I'm ready | 19:38 |
| sheytan | Riddell http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8351/baseyd.jpg | 19:39 |
| ulysses | Riddell: However it doesn't build now, only downloads packages… | 19:39 |
| Riddell | sheytan: cor. bling! | 19:40 |
| sheytan | Riddell what's cor. ? :D | 19:40 |
| Riddell | sheytan: a posh sounding exclamation | 19:40 |
| sheytan | oh | 19:41 |
| sheytan | Riddell so, shall i cut it for you? :) | 19:41 |
| Riddell | sheytan: I think the 32 bit and 64 bit boxes need to be on top of each other rather than beside | 19:44 |
| Riddell | the same template is used in some situations that have more than 2 options | 19:44 |
| Riddell | e.g. here it has 4 http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/ | 19:45 |
| sheytan | Riddell then the box background will repeat | 19:48 |
| Riddell | sheytan: ok | 19:48 |
| sheytan | i think it should stay as it is now :D | 19:48 |
| sheytan | Riddell the background will be only 1px wide for repeat in css | 19:48 |
| sheytan | Riddell will you draw in code the main gray background with overlay or you want it as image, too? | 19:53 |
| Riddell | sheytan: it's HTML no? | 19:55 |
| Riddell | it should be an open <div> or whatever then there's another FOOTER.html file to close it | 19:55 |
| sheytan | Riddell it's a mockup :P | 19:55 |
| Riddell | but the final thing needs to be HTML+CSS | 19:56 |
| shadeslayer | im marking bug 670448 as Fix released | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 670448 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Include choqok as the default Microblogging client" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670448 | 19:56 |
| sheytan | Riddell well, i can try my code skills, but that tomorrow. Can be? | 19:56 |
| Riddell | sheytan: tomorrow is fine | 19:56 |
| shadeslayer | it already is the default client, but due to size constraints it cant go on the CD | 19:56 |
| sheytan | Riddell ok, cool :) | 19:57 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: "Include" means on the CD. | 19:57 |
| ScottK | So I think not fixed. | 19:57 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: yes, thats why im saying, "Due to size constraints " | 19:57 |
| ScottK | Was it not included for space reasons or kept falling over and exploading reasons? | 19:58 |
| shadeslayer | Space Reasons i think | 19:58 |
| ScottK | In any case, that's a rationale for wonotfix, not fix released. | 19:58 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: I have just fixed LP#633008 with http://gitorious.org/packagekit/packagekit/commit/41b89ee7febac04fa241acf59097cfa8d7835087 | 19:58 |
| shadeslayer | uh.. i actually thought wont fix first, but since its on the DVD.... | 19:58 |
| Riddell | bug 633008 | 19:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 633008 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] kpackagekit won't honor apt proxy setings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633008 | 19:59 |
| ScottK | Default install is defined by the kubuntu-desktop metapackages. | 19:59 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: but a new PackageKit is needed, if you think it's important please patch it, otherwise I explained the work around | 19:59 |
| Riddell | thanks dantti_work | 19:59 |
| Riddell | I'll be looking at SRUs tomorrow | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | marked as wont fix for now | 20:00 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: btw is there a way for me to get notified of PackageKit LP bugs? | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: subscribe to them? | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+subscribe | 20:00 |
| dantti_work | shadeslayer: ohhh :D I thought it was harded | 20:01 |
| dantti_work | *harder | 20:01 |
| * shadeslayer starts getting 4.5.3 FTBFS from ninja's ppa | 20:01 | |
| dantti_work | Riddell: what is SRUs btw? | 20:01 |
| Riddell | dantti_work: stable release updates | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | dantti_work: :P | 20:02 |
| Riddell | the process for getting things into maverick-updates | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | s/ninjas/staging | 20:02 |
| dantti_work | Riddell: ah right :) | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: did you not drop kubuntu_78_krun_http.diff for 4.5.3? | 20:03 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I did | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | you just commented it out i think... | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 20:04 |
| Riddell | yes | 20:04 |
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| shadeslayer | any other changes? | 20:05 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: only that I messed up the previous changelog entry a little | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | ^_^ | 20:06 |
| Riddell | kdepimlibs had some missing symbols which is worrying | 20:06 |
| * dantti_work goes home | 20:06 | |
| shadeslayer | indeed | 20:07 |
| Riddell | otherwise I don't think I've made any changes to the packaging of anything | 20:07 |
| ScottK | Sometime one gets a title and just needs a blog post to be able to use the title. | 20:07 |
| Riddell | oh okular had a few files added | 20:07 |
| Riddell | libweather-ion4a in kdebase-workspace has changed SONAME | 20:09 |
| shadeslayer | ah i think i know about the libweather so change | 20:11 |
| Riddell | oh? is it your fault? :) | 20:11 |
| shadeslayer | nah.. i came to know about that through plasma-widget-yawp | 20:11 |
| ulysses | kdesvn is building \o/ | 20:15 |
| Riddell | ulysses: phew! | 20:16 |
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| shadeslayer | ->sleep | 20:27 |
| shadeslayer | cya tmmrw | 20:27 |
| yofel | gn8 shadeslayer | 20:28 |
| * ScottK wonders if rdieter knows who he is yet? | 20:30 | |
| rdieter | ScottK: ? | 20:31 |
| ScottK | rdieter: About 5 minutes ago you went through three IRC nicks in less than a minute. | 20:32 |
| rdieter | oh that. switching identities between 2 boxes, and not doing a very good job at it either | 20:33 |
| Riddell | 20:21 < cody-somerville> Riddell, Can you set a contact e-mail address for kubuntu-ppa so that I don't get e-mailed about that team's build failures? | 20:39 |
| Riddell | what should I set? | 20:39 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-devel? | 20:39 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-spam-me-less mailing list? | 20:39 |
| rbelem | Riddell, kubuntu-ninjas ml? :-) | 20:41 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Something pointed at dev/null IMO. | 20:41 |
| ScottK | uploaders still get mailed directly and that's sufficient. | 20:42 |
| sheytan | Riddell the code have to be only for the one page i made or for whole service? | 20:55 |
| Riddell | sheytan: for one page, it's a template and the text gets added later | 21:02 |
| sheytan | Riddell ok ;) | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: notes on what exactly? | 21:08 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: make neon work again | 21:08 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I've lost context | 21:08 |
| ScottK | ah. | 21:09 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Notes on the work with locos better discussions. | 21:09 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: yes we went hot tubbing after you left | 21:10 |
| Riddell | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdevelop-pg-qt needing revu | 21:11 |
| apachelogger | I think I do, not terribly useful things came out of it though, other than kubuntu branches should be part of the regular loco | 21:11 |
| * ScottK thinks DarkWingDuck, nhandler, and Tm_T should conspire on the subject. | 21:13 | |
| nhandler | ScottK: Have logs from the discussions? | 21:14 |
| * nhandler notes that thanks to nixternal, the Chicago LoCo frequently gets nice demos of what is going on with Kubuntu ;) | 21:14 | |
| ScottK | It was in person at UDS. | 21:14 |
| ScottK | And neversfelde too. | 21:14 |
| ScottK | too many "N" nicks. | 21:14 |
| nhandler | :) | 21:14 |
| neversfelde | hehe | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | well | 21:15 |
| apachelogger | very appropriate for the n cycle | 21:15 |
| * ScottK hopes apachelogger appreciates his latest blog post. | 21:20 | |
| shtylman | ScottK: I was amused by the blog post | 21:26 |
| shtylman | must never forget that all software is fiction :) | 21:26 |
| ulysses | Riddell: it's failed | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yeah, good one | 21:28 |
| ulysses | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/mtVPwBAd | 21:29 |
| ulysses | Riddell: nothing, seems that I forgot the patch… | 21:48 |
| CIA-39 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192734 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/globals.h (log message trimmed) | 21:50 |
| CIA-39 | Document the current fields of the detail QVariantMaps for each ErrorCode, | 21:50 |
| CIA-39 | WarningCode and WorkerQuestion. I've learned a bit from all this, and have | 21:50 |
| ulysses | Riddell: after fixing the pebkac kdesvn built in natty pbuilder | 22:05 |
| ulysses | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kdesvn_1.5.5-1ubuntu1.dsc.debdiff | 22:14 |
| CIA-39 | [muon] jmthomas * 1192773 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (CMakeLists.txt ChangeLog) Muon Installer isn't at all ready to show to the world, even in a public alpha, so disable it from the default build. Also, a few ChangeLog updates. | 23:02 |
| CIA-39 | [muon] jmthomas * 1192774 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (muon/main.cpp updater/main.cpp) Version bump | 23:17 |
| apachelogger | kaboom | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kword/html-odf/converter.xsl', which is also in package kword 1 | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ^ | 23:36 |
| CIA-39 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192779 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog Add ChangeLog to trunk | 23:53 |
| JontheEchidna | The 1.1 changelog is quite teh large already :) | 23:53 |
| CIA-39 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192780 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog Forgot something :) | 23:53 |
| JontheEchidna | With the new QApt::Config class, LibQApt would be the perfect candidate for making a software-properties-kde replacement | 23:55 |
| JontheEchidna | This could be expanded to a KCModule, which could appear in both System Settings as well as Muon: http://imgur.com/biKFz | 23:56 |
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