[00:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: My understanding is the Thunderbird/Kolab thing is done by one guy in his free time.  Not suprising.
[00:16] <tazz> yo shadeslayer 
[05:15] <yahyai-0> how to make plymouth (text),, (or just edit the name of "kubuntu 10.10")???
[05:18] <yahyai-0> how to make plymouth (text),, (or just edit the name of "kubuntu 10.10")???
[07:47] <valorie> so we no longer have the package kde-devel
[07:47] <valorie> we used to.....
[08:22] <hrw> hi
[08:23] <jussi> hi
[08:24] <hrw> I have some updates for kde/natty packages - how should I share them?
[08:25] <hrw> they fix FTFBS on armel
[08:27] <hrw> hm. I see that ScottK uploaded some of them. uf
[08:32] <jussi> hrw: ScottK is your man for arm - although if Riddell and apachelogger can probably help also
[08:32] <hrw> jussi: thx
[08:32] <hrw> I got Efika MX Smartbook at UDS-N and want to have kde on it. 
[08:32] <hrw> but I also needs natty on my machines due to development
[08:33] <jussi> hrw: I understand completely - Im hoping to get one of those myself...
[08:33] <hrw> so my (also new) pandaboard is now going though builds of kde packages
[08:34]  * jussi eye's hrw's efika jealously...
[08:35] <hrw> jussi: trust me - it is not user ready yet
[08:36] <jussi> hrw: not really the point for me ;)
[08:36] <hrw> ;d
[08:47] <jussi> hrw: is there flash working on that device yet? 
[08:48]  * jussi had the nettop version, but no hdmi cable, so hasnt had a chance to check it yet
[08:48] <jussi> has
[08:54] <hrw> jussi: I do not care about flash on !x86
[08:54] <hrw> jussi: on maemo tablets (770/n810/n900) it was slow
[09:09] <valorie> !kde-devel
[09:09] <valorie> hmmm
[09:20] <apachelogger> hrw: what does the fix look like?
[09:21] <apachelogger> if it involves thumb then I suppose it has to wait until the master of gcc returns, because from a spec from lucid times it seems we should default to thumb but for some reason that got changed...
[09:23]  * apachelogger needs to write a Kubuntu is Ubuntu blog post
[09:23]  * persia adds a weighting of several gazillion to that task.
[09:24] <hrw> apachelogger: mostly adding -mimplicit-it=thumb from Qt to kde packages to get them built
[09:24] <apachelogger> hrw: yeah, see also a recent mail to kubuntu-devel
[09:24] <hrw> apachelogger: will look
[09:24] <apachelogger> we can easily add it globally for all of KDE
[09:24] <persia> Didn't doko want to not do that?
[09:25] <apachelogger> however I think it ought to be changed in gcc, or rather find out why it did get changed from defaulting to thumb
[09:25] <apachelogger> persia: he wanted to get poked is what I have heared
[09:25] <persia> Did he get poked yet?
[09:25] <hrw> apachelogger: which one?
[09:25] <apachelogger> he is not available this week
[09:26] <apachelogger> hrw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-October/004858.html
[09:26] <hrw> thx
[09:27] <persia> Aha!  So we're basically stuck until post-plumbers.  makes sense.
[09:27] <hrw> apachelogger: kdepimlibs fails same way
[09:27] <hrw> kdebindings also
[09:27] <persia> I know we went to a fair bit of trouble to port everything *to* thumb, because it was smaller, so better cache fit, so I'm a big fan of waiting on doko for this.
[09:28] <hrw> kdebase-workspace is what I will check after kdebindings got built
[09:28] <apachelogger> hrw: from what I gather most of kde fails due to it
[09:29] <hrw> apachelogger: I also would like to see toolchain people opinion.
[09:29] <apachelogger> that would be doko, who is pluming this week
[09:29] <hrw> or people from Linaro toolchain WG can look too
[09:30] <persia> hrw, Can you work on maverick this week, against natty chroots?
[09:30] <hrw> as this is kind of gcc-4.5 regression compared to gcc-4.4
[09:30] <persia> hrw, If you want to involve them, we might identify the problem more closely, but I'd still want to involve doko in a final solution.
[09:30] <hrw> persia: what you want to be checked? I can create maverick chroot or maverick system
[09:31] <persia> I don't need anything checked.  I just know maverick/kde works, so wondered if you could create natty chroots on a maverick system and work in the chroots.
[09:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ping
[09:32] <hrw> persia: on panda I do not use X11 at all so it is safe to be natty for me
[09:32] <persia> Ah, OK.
[09:32] <hrw> persia: need to send my primary lcd for repair - backlight died
[09:33] <hrw> persia: so in meantime I hack kde to build as smartbook is natty now and it is device hard to reinstall
[09:33] <hrw> too many packages hacked by genesi 
[09:36]  * hrw -> bisecting binutils
[09:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[09:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[09:39] <apachelogger> valorie: ping
[09:40] <valorie> o/
[09:40] <apachelogger> valorie: did you send me your user profile yet?
[09:40] <valorie> no
[09:41] <valorie> I shall try my netbook again right now
[09:41] <valorie> I fear 'tis dead still, though
[09:42] <apachelogger> sue someone!!!
[09:42] <apachelogger> oh dear
[09:42] <apachelogger> for some reason my fluffy blog post had 289 views the past week :O
[09:42] <apachelogger> fregl: we srsly need to get new steam behind the project
[09:46] <valorie> well, I'll have to send it back
[09:46] <valorie> it began to start up, and immediately shut down
[09:46] <valorie> I guess I'll have to re-write
[09:46] <valorie> :(
[09:46] <valorie> it was pretty good, too
[09:46] <apachelogger> stupid netbook
[09:46] <valorie> I was going to work on the monthly report
[09:47] <valorie> but there is nothing there about the meeting, going to UDS, talks given, etc.?
[09:47] <valorie> shall I add sections?
[09:47] <apachelogger> please
[09:47] <valorie> ok
[09:47] <apachelogger> though
[09:47] <apachelogger> question is if we should have a section with all stuff that we talked about
[09:47] <apachelogger> or just general a line saying UDS happened with loads of discussion and fun..
[09:51] <hrw> uds was nice event but too many sessions to attend so I skipped kde ones ;(
[09:52] <apachelogger> you really need to fix your priorities :P
[09:52] <persia> apachelogger, You will want to detail all the sessions for the Proceedings anyway, which means that publicity posts can just point at that.
[09:52]  * apachelogger demands more focused topics really
[09:53] <hrw> apachelogger: uds-n was work for me, not pleasure
[09:53] <apachelogger> persia: good point
[09:53]  * jussi demands more apachelogger clones
[09:53] <apachelogger> valorie: I think a one liner linking to the proceedings should suffice
[09:54] <apachelogger> hrw: work and pleasure are not mutually exclusive... in some businesses anyway... oh I better stop here...
[09:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd really need some pix of our paddling trip, that currently sort of holds back uds blog posts :/
[09:55] <valorie> no list of attendees?
[09:56] <hrw> apachelogger: ;d
[09:56] <valorie> perhaps link to our TODO ? or the Proceedings ?
[09:56] <valorie> oops, you said that
[09:56] <valorie> ok
[09:56] <apachelogger> valorie: well, you could list the attendes if you wish to
[09:56] <apachelogger> probably better from a community magic POV
[09:57] <valorie> hrw, did we meet?
[09:58] <hrw> valorie: nope, I would remember
[10:00] <apachelogger> oh dang
[10:00]  * apachelogger forgot to write about hottubs
[10:00] <apachelogger> dang
[10:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: also I would need hot tub pictures for that matter... ;)
[10:01] <hrw> 66% of kdebindings...
[10:01] <hrw> I like that percentage infos of cmake
[10:02] <apachelogger> cmake++
[10:02] <valorie> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv
[10:03] <valorie> lots of pictures
[10:03] <apachelogger> scary ones too
[10:05] <jussi> apachelogger: and salmiakki
[10:06] <apachelogger> oh, right, omg
[10:06] <jussi> and nasty irc councillors forcing you onto the scary waterslide :P
[10:06] <Sput> oooh, salmiakki
[10:07]  * jussi wonders how drunk that guy from the kernel team got...
[10:11] <jussi> :D
[10:12] <apachelogger> oh my
[10:12] <apachelogger> ati is rather silly
[10:16] <Sput> why?
[10:16] <apachelogger> on their driver page they talk about version 10.9 while current  is 10.10
[10:17] <apachelogger> also the documentation for 10.10 is there, just not referenced..
[10:24] <valorie> gads, where is that photo of all of us at UDS, *not* on FB?
[10:24] <valorie> somewhere I can link to it?
[10:26] <persia> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072081201_cBWXK is a feed by the person who took the photo.  Dunno if it's included.
[10:27] <valorie> nope
[10:27] <valorie> shadeslayer took it, I think
[10:27] <valorie> but it's only in FB that I can find now
[10:29] <persia> Oh, different value of "all".
[10:29] <valorie> Riddell, ScottK, Apachelogger, Shadeslayer, Rbelem, Maco, Persia, Jussi, Valorie
[10:29] <valorie> is who I have as attendees
[10:29]  * persia was thinking of http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072410213_b8Tpw
[10:29] <valorie> oh, darkwingduck!
[10:30] <valorie> that is a great one
[10:30] <valorie> but I'm filling in the monthly report, and thought the photo might be nice in there
[10:30] <jussi> Does anyone have a picture of me in my death suit? 
[10:30] <valorie> you missed out being in that one!
[10:30] <persia> I think you meant http://www.flickr.com/photos/45059736@N02/5140100462/in/set-72157625297087490/
[10:31] <valorie> sadly, I missed taking on, jussi
[10:31] <valorie> woooooo!
[10:31] <valorie> yup, that's the one I wanted
[10:31] <valorie> thanks, persia
[10:31] <apachelogger> valorie: agateau? mgraesslin? darkwingduck? cute?
[10:31] <valorie> dangit, i didn't try his name all mushed together
[10:32] <valorie> cute?
[10:32] <jussi> Qt
[10:32] <jussi> :D
[10:32] <valorie> haha
[10:32] <persia> valorie, So, that URL is yet another reason to install a core somewhere :p
[10:34] <apachelogger> valorie: thiago, densi, zeno IIRC
[10:36] <valorie> hmm, cute, densi and zeno I don't recall
[10:36] <valorie> or only got "real" names
[10:36] <valorie> as if our irc nicks aren't real
[10:36] <valorie> lol
[10:37]  * apachelogger is not following
[10:37] <valorie> Riddell, ScottK, Apachelogger, Shadeslayer, Rbelem, Maco, agateau, mgraesslin, darkwingduck, cute, Persia, Jussi, Valorie, thiago, densi, zeno
[10:37] <valorie> complete list of the team at UDS?
[10:37] <jussi> will you stop pinging me!! 
[10:37] <valorie> sorry
[10:37] <apachelogger> valorie: cute = thiago, denis, zeno
[10:37] <apachelogger> oh
[10:37] <valorie> ok
[10:37] <apachelogger> that came out wrong
[10:37] <apachelogger> Qt = thiago, denis, zeno
[10:37] <valorie> lol
[10:37] <jussi> apachelogger: slip of the tongue :D
[10:38] <Sput> keys are right next to each other
[10:38] <valorie> fixed
[10:39]  * apachelogger looks for his doom3 box
[10:48] <ScottK> hrw: Do you have a ~current kernel running on your smartbook?
[10:49] <ScottK> persia: Doens't CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb leave it in Thumb mode (so we're still getting the advantages of it)?
[10:50] <ScottK> That's what we've been doing, not falling back to -marm.
[10:50] <persia> Yeah, but mixing thumb and non-thumb is awkward and lead to N fails-to-run bugs during lucid.  We really don't want to recompile everything in the archive again, if we can avoid it.
[10:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: I confirmed that CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb works on dh 7 packages too, so that can be a general solution for us.
[10:50] <hrw> ScottK: no, 2.6.31.14.2
[10:50] <hrw> ScottK: and 2.6.35 on pandaboard
[10:51] <persia> So best practice is to make sure we have sensible toolchain defaults, *NOT* to hack around things manually (or even in a semi-automated way)
[10:51] <ScottK> hrw: There will be an mx51 kernel for Natty, so when we have that, it will be interesting.
[10:52] <hrw> ScottK: mx51 for babbage is even more or less usable. mx51 for smartbook needs probably more work
[10:52] <ScottK> persia: What's the downside if we fix our packages to produce what a sane tool chain would have produced until the toolchain maintainer re-appears/gets around to it?
[10:53] <persia> fail-to-run if you link against anything in core that didn't do that.
[10:53] <persia> Oh, and probably fail-to-run anyway, because the kernel folk aren't likely to do that.
[10:53] <ScottK> persia: But anything that doesn't do that won't build, so how does that happen?
[10:53] <persia> Which leads to fail-to-load-userspace-after-booting, which is annoying.
[10:53] <ScottK> OK.
[10:54] <ScottK> I'm not in favor of that.
[10:54] <persia> It won't build because ARM code can't link against thumb code.
[10:54] <persia> But some stuff (like the kernel) doesn't use symbolic libraries, so there's potential for creep.
[10:55] <persia> In the case that the toolchain folk decide that Thumb wasn't really worth it (there's arguments that it might be a bit slower in execution, although it's smaller code size, giving less cache loads, and benchmarking is fairly undecided from what I've seen), it would be nicer to just give-back the failed stuff after sorting the base libraries than needing to repatch everything the other way.
[10:56] <ScottK> Sigh.
[10:56] <apachelogger> !find libgtk-1.2.so.0
[10:56] <apachelogger> omg
[10:56] <ScottK> Dear lord no.
[10:56] <persia> \o/
[10:56] <ScottK> We killed that dead several releases ago.
[10:56] <persia> For many good reasons.
[10:57] <ScottK> It took a lot of nails to get the coffin to stay shut.
[10:57] <apachelogger> poor thing
[10:57] <apachelogger> good ol doom3 installer for linux wants it
[10:57] <valorie> gads, for some reason the photo won't display
[10:57]  * apachelogger wonders why it is not part of the installer itself though
[10:57] <apachelogger> clearly that installer is a bit of the silly kind
[10:57] <valorie> but since it's 4am, I hope someone else can figure out why
[10:57] <valorie> niters all
[10:58] <Tm_T> since when doom3 has been "good old" ?
[10:58] <ScottK> hrw: We could definitely use someone working on KDE integration on the smartbook.  I've got smarttop systems to work on getting stuff to build.
[10:58] <apachelogger> Tm_T: what is it 2004, 2005 maybe?
[10:58] <apachelogger> that is srsly old
[10:59] <Tm_T> is not
[10:59]  * Tm_T still lays Wolfenstein 3d
[10:59] <Tm_T> plays even
[11:00] <apachelogger> :O
[11:01] <hrw> ScottK: thats why I am rebuilding all kde packages one by one on pandaboard now
[11:01] <hrw> ScottK: goal is: build them, install on smartbook, get desktop
[11:02] <Sput> there's other games than starcraft?
[11:02] <ScottK> Sput: There's trolling Windows users on quassel.
[11:02] <ScottK> There was supposed to be a "#"
[11:03] <Sput> ScottK: true, true
[11:03] <Sput> though I'm not sure if that's a game!
[11:04] <ScottK> It is fun though.
[11:06] <Sput> ScottK: not sure if "hitting people already lying on the ground below dead horses" should be fun :)
[11:07] <persia> It's kinda like polo
[11:15] <ScottK> Sput: I didn't say it should be.  I said it is.
[11:19] <ScottK> hrw: We will need to look into how much of KDE we really want running on arm in order to help with performance.  512MB is a tight squeeze for KDE.
[11:21] <persia> The 512MB is the big argument for -mthumb
[11:24] <ScottK> On i386 I can run a full plasma-netbook session in 1GB ram and do some stuff without hitting swap.  It would be very nice to get the same kind of experience with a reduced set of things on arm.
[11:28] <hrw> ScottK: I will run plasma-desktop rather then plasma-netbook
[11:28] <ScottK> hrw: It's heavier on RAM and CPU, so I think more difficult to get a good user experience.
[11:28] <hrw> ScottK: on my 1366x768 x86 laptop I cant adapt to netbook 
[11:29] <ScottK> I have an actual i386 netbook that it works well on.  i use -desktop on my actual laptop.
[11:29] <hrw> ScottK: will check once will get all working
[11:29] <ScottK> In any case, if you adapt things for -desktop, generally -netbook should just work since it's a less stressing case.
[11:30] <ScottK> Great.
[11:33] <fregl> ouch
[11:33] <fregl> apachelogger: yep, time to get going on fluffy again
[11:35] <ScottK> Riddell: http://fmontesi.blogspot.com/2010/11/plasma-crashing-upon-login-after.html looks like something to get an SRU in for before this weekend so US users don't have the same problem.
[11:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Maybe you could have your minion investigate ^^^ (I know you're occupied with important fluffy matters).
[11:59] <Riddell> ScottK: agreed
[11:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: photos coming shortly
[11:59] <Riddell> I just had an e-mail from someone asking for lucid packages of 4.5 if they pay for them, any takers?
[12:07] <persia> Such dedication to free software.  If not for yourselves, take the opportunity as a political statement to encourage funding free software developers.
[12:11] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: ^^ what's your consulting rate?
[12:12] <ulysses> Riddell: 4.5.3?
[12:16] <Riddell> ulysses: yes
[12:18] <ulysses> that would be nice
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.5 - shadeslayer can do it for 30 EUR/h, having it reviewed by me adds another 200 EUR/h
[12:21]  * persia encourages piece-pricing rather than hourly pricing
[12:21] <hrw> good to know what rates people have ;D
[12:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please prepare a SRU kde rev 1187999
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe flattr it or something
[12:23]  * apachelogger aint got no idea how flattr works, but surely it is related to the question at hand
[12:24] <persia> http://retout.co.uk/blog/2010/11/03/flattr-y_will_get_you_nowhere is an interesting viewpoint on flattr
[12:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure
[12:52] <shadeslayer> well
[12:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my packages do not need alot of review :P
[12:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: if they pay me half the monies upfront ill do it :>
[12:53]  * shadeslayer needs a new phone
[12:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/
[13:03] <apachelogger> yay
[13:03] <apachelogger> Riddell++
[13:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your rate says different :P
[13:04] <apachelogger> oh dang
[13:04] <apachelogger> I also forgot to write about our stop @KFC
[13:05] <shadeslayer> hot tubbing!
[13:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's not hot tubbing when you only stick your feet in.
[13:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:17] <apachelogger> lolz
[13:40] <jussi> ScottK: will these work on our boxen? http://www.powerdeveloper.org/platforms/efikamx/linux
[13:40]  * ScottK looks at persia.
[13:41] <ScottK> jussi: I'm waiting until we have a working kernel in the archive, but that's just me.
[13:42] <jussi> ScottK: when Ive a choice of Jaunty or those, I know what Im choosing... :D
[13:42] <ScottK> jussi: There's a karmic kernel that works.
[13:43] <jussi> ScottK: but what about those maverick images there? 
[13:43] <jussi> and how do .lzma files work?
[13:43] <ScottK> jussi: No idea.  I avoid software from outside the official archive when I can.
[13:46] <\sh> apachelogger: how do someone add a stream url to internet -> cool streams view inside amarok? ;)
[13:46] <\sh> s/do/does/
[14:03] <apachelogger> \sh: to cool streams you need to file a bug I think
[14:04] <apachelogger> or you add your own section
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://kde.org/info/4.5.3.php#binary is all sorts of broken
[14:06] <shadeslayer> we do not have any packages :(
[14:07] <ScottK> That's because it's not released yet.
[14:07] <ScottK> (AFAIK)
[14:11] <Riddell> it is
[14:15] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:17] <Riddell> but we have other releases to catch up on too, kdevelop and was there a koffice release?
[14:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: at work?
[14:22] <ulysses> koffice 2.3 beta 3 released on 28th October
[14:23] <apachelogger> ohhhh, silly firefox ....
[14:24] <apachelogger> ah, there we go
[14:24] <ulysses> and KDevelop 4.1 final released on 25th October
[14:26]  * apachelogger is totallz windowslogger right now
[14:26] <apachelogger> with german kbd layout too
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ulysses: i did some of the kdevelop stuff, but then the UDS party got underway
[14:31] <shadeslayer> and i was busy for 7days
[14:31] <shadeslayer> and i looked at the koffice package... i really really really do not want to do that package
[14:32]  * shadeslayer is scared shitless of koffice packages now
[14:32] <ulysses> I can't package, I'm only a translator with Lucid:(
[14:33] <ulysses> Oh, KOffice 2.2.83 contains Hungarian translation files \o/\o/\o/
[14:33] <ScottK> ulysses: You can learn.
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: your minion awaits you
[14:33]  * ScottK is too busy for minions.
[14:33]  * ScottK needs more core-devs with minions.
[14:33] <ulysses> ScottK: and I want to learn
[14:33] <ScottK> or kubuntu-devs.
[14:34] <ScottK> ulysses: shadeslayer will teach you in order to improve his own understaanding.
[14:34] <Riddell> ulysses: you want to learn packaging?
[14:34] <ulysses> Riddell: yes
[14:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: another minion for you then? :P
[14:34] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, fancy starting with a kdiff3 rebuild?
[14:34] <apachelogger> I do love my minions
[14:35] <ulysses> Riddell: I'll do what is needed
[14:36] <Riddell> ulysses: do you know where to start?
[14:37]  * shadeslayer points to pbuilder and udd
[14:37] <ulysses> Riddell: set up a pbuilder and install kubuntu-dev-tools?
[14:37] <Riddell> ulysses: personally I wouldn't use either
[14:38] <Riddell> it's a no change upload
[14:38] <Riddell> so you just need to download the existing sources, add a changelog, rebuild as source, make the debdiff
[14:38] <ulysses> Riddell: okay, I'll do it
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh btw they fixed urlbar in rekonq trunk... but now it doesnt show any suggestions ^_^
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works for me, compiled last friday I think
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the kde:foo thingy?
[14:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems to work
[14:41] <shadeslayer> do you get suggestions from urlbar?
[14:42] <Riddell> yes, not relevant to api.kde.org though
[14:42] <shadeslayer> brrr
[14:42] <Riddell> https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html has pleasingly few kde packages on it, good work people!
[14:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes
[14:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: nvm then
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doesnt work for me :(
[14:45] <shadeslayer> your on 170aadd79adcef19e36dc10d5b4f0112997a7a7e ?
[14:47] <ScottK> BTW, no more powerpc specific FTBFS on natty for KDE now.
[14:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: acdc42e067c5bea90cb1017db919c267fd0bf0d7
[14:47] <shadeslayer> ah see, it doesnt work if you pull in the last few commits
[14:49] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/friendly-kubuntu-team-uds-edition/
[14:55] <Riddell> https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html also pleasinly small numbers of kde/qt packages
[14:55] <Riddell> I wonder if that's all lex's doing
[15:01] <hrw> speaking of merges...
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you went hot tubbing after i left as well? :P
[15:01] <hrw> can someone push kdiff3 for rebuild?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> hrw: ulysses is working on it
[15:02] <dantti_work> Riddell: PK has debconf support now, what is the policy to this, package get patched, goes to backports or just in next release?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> or he is supposed to be working on it
[15:02] <hrw> cool
[15:02] <hrw> I rebuilt it locally
[15:03] <Riddell> dantti_work: I'm not sure I follow
[15:03] <Riddell> dantti_work: there is upstream support for debconf and you want that to get into the archives?
[15:03] <dantti_work> Riddell: PK-glib (which makes gnome-pk enabled)
[15:04] <dantti_work> also gnome-pk needs a new package since the current does not work, but I'm not sure we need to worry or if there is someone worried by that already
[15:04] <Riddell> dantti_work: we can add patches in natty and get that into maverick-backports
[15:05] <Riddell> packagekit is also almost in debian http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[15:05] <Riddell> might be good to keep in sync with the debian packaging
[15:05] <dantti_work> Riddell: for natty we could just add the new version no?
[15:05] <Riddell> dantti_work: yes if it's a new version that can go into natty
[15:06] <Riddell> dantti_work: new versions can also go into maverick-backports (backports allows possible regressions)
[15:06] <Riddell> dantti_work: if it's a major bug it can be patched and put into maverick-updates, but I don't think this is a bug (it's a missing feature)
[15:06] <dantti_work> Riddell: nice, so I guess pk 0.6.10 is fine then
[15:07] <dantti_work> sure
[15:07] <dantti_work> about gnomies is there anything to worry?
[15:09]  * ScottK isn't worrying.
[15:09] <dantti_work> :)
[15:13] <ulysses> Riddell: I sent the debdiff in mail
[15:15] <Riddell> ulysses: nice start, two things need fixing
[15:15] <Riddell> ulysses: lucid should be natty
[15:15] <Riddell> and the changelog entry need to be more verbose
[15:15] <Riddell> "No change rebuild for libkonq5a transition" for example
[15:17] <Riddell> revu needed  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdevelop-pg-qt
[15:21] <ulysses> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/a0NvzAJ4
[15:23] <Riddell> lovely
[15:24] <Riddell> ulysses: ah wait
[15:24] <Riddell> ulysses: you're starting with the wrong version
[15:24] <Riddell> ulysses: you need to get the latest sources from natty not from lucid
[15:24] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdiff3
[15:25] <Riddell> for the natty one copy the URL of the .dsc file and   dget it
[15:26] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc to extract
[15:27] <ulysses> Riddell: Should I change debian/control?
[15:28] <Riddell> ulysses: what would you change about it?
[15:28] <hrw> ah. kobby was a thing which I needed to rebuild during UDS - otherwise it crashed badly
[15:29] <ulysses> Riddell: from libkonq5-dev to libkonq5a-dev, or not?
[15:29] <Riddell> ulysses: no that hasn't changed
[15:32] <ScottK> hrw: Even with rebuild it still crashed due to an IPv4/IPv6 interoperability problem.
[15:32] <ulysses> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/QxuV7YdS
[15:33] <hrw> ScottK: worked fine enough for me
[15:33] <ScottK> I think the got rid of the IPv6 avahi session after the first day or something.
[15:40] <Riddell> ulysses: one more change I'm afraid
[15:40] <Riddell> ulysses: for a no change rebuild to debian package we use -Xbuild1 instead of -Xubuntu1
[15:40] <Riddell> could you change that?
[15:40] <ulysses> of course
[15:44] <ulysses> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/pzHcVT6R
[15:47] <hrw> real    223m24.283s
[15:47] <hrw> user    194m31.031s
[15:47] <hrw> sys     8m40.914s
[15:47] <hrw> nice time for kdebindings
[15:47] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy
[15:47] <Riddell> ulysses: uploading!
[15:48] <Riddell> ulysses: uploaded!
[15:48]  * Riddell puts a ninja mask onto ulysses 
[15:48] <Riddell> hrw: what are you doing with kdebindings?
[15:49] <hrw> Riddell: rebuilding for armel
[15:49] <hrw> Riddell: local needs
[15:49] <Riddell> ooh that'll take years
[15:50] <Riddell> hrw: for natty or something else?
[15:50] <ScottK> Riddell: He's making KDE work on his Efika smartbook while we wait for the implicit IT thing to get sorted in the toolchain.
[15:50] <hrw> Riddell: natty
[15:50] <hrw> like ScottK said
[15:50] <hrw> thx skfin 
[15:50] <hrw> thx ScottK 
[15:58] <Riddell> ulysses: if you want to do more packaging there's a few merges needing done, e.g. ktechlab https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[15:58] <Riddell> kdesvn
[15:58] <Riddell> let me know if you want to do them and I can take you through the process
[15:59] <ulysses> I want!
[15:59] <Riddell> ulysses: try kdesvn first maybe
[16:00] <Riddell> grab the natty sources and work out why we haven't just used the debian package (i.e. what did we change)
[16:00] <Riddell> then grab the debian package and work out if that change is still needed
[16:00] <Riddell> if it is, change the debian package, merge the changelogs, do a debdiff
[16:00] <Riddell> if not, file a sync request so we can sync it from debian directly
[16:01] <Riddell> there's a comment on that merges site saying "No real need of merge" so I expect it'll be a trivial change that we want to keep
[16:02] <ScottK> That may be from a previous upload however.
[16:02] <ScottK> There was a bug that old comments weren't getting cleared.
[16:03] <ScottK> It's fixed for the future, but the backlog is still there.
[16:03] <ulysses> „Keep the docbook FTBFS patch”
[16:03] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:04] <Riddell> so grab the debian version, put that patch into it, merge changelogs, debdiff
[16:05] <Riddell> build in pbuilder to check (if you know how to get pbuilder to use natty, I just use chroots myself)
[16:06] <ScottK> debbootstrap in maverick knows about natty.
[16:06] <ScottK> (that's all that's release specific)
[16:06] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:07] <ScottK> pbuilder-dist natty create
[16:07] <ScottK> pbuilder-dist natty build foo.dsc
[16:07] <ScottK> Not hard.
[16:08] <sheytan> Hey dudes :D
[16:08] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2208/udsheader.png
[16:23] <ScottK> Nice.  Needs to be more fluffy  however.
[16:25] <DarkwingDuck> Morning
[16:26] <ulysses> Riddell: natty version fails on debuild: http://pastebin.com/TyYnyyLJ
[16:27] <Riddell> ulysses: that's because you're using an ancience version of kubuntu :)
[16:27] <Riddell> oh no it's not 
[16:27] <Riddell> you just need to install pkg-kde-tools
[16:28] <ulysses> I cA
[16:28] <ulysses> I can't use newer version:(
[16:28] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Do you want me to add each Doc that needs to be done on the main WiKi or, should I make a new ToDo for doc list?
[16:29] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: if you can follow the same format and use https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo that would be best
[16:30] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Roger. :)
[16:30] <Riddell> make a new table under the other docs tasks I think
[16:31] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'll figure it out and I'll get it finished today.
[16:32] <Riddell> ok koffice is updated thanks to lex, fix uploaded to beta PPA for maverick backports
[16:32] <Riddell> kdevelop all uploaded, kdevelop-pg-qt still needing comments on revu
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ooh
[16:39] <ulysses> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/u7DqgTJw
[16:40] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-41-packaged
[16:41] <Riddell> ulysses: the old changelogs should be merged too
[16:41] <Riddell> the ones from our current package
[16:50] <ulysses> Riddell: with merge-changelog, right?
[16:53] <Riddell> ulysses: maybe, I've always just done it by hand
[16:58] <ulysses> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kdesvn_1.5.4-2ubuntu1.dsc.debdiff
[16:59] <Riddell> ulysses: lovely
[16:59] <Riddell> ulysses: ooh
[17:00] <Riddell> ulysses: I just checked debian, they have a newer version in experimental
[17:00] <Riddell> ulysses: so next task is to grab the debian experimental version and check if it compiles and runs fine in natty without that patch
[17:00] <Riddell> http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/kdesvn
[17:00] <ari-tczew> ulysses: kubuntu developer in orange colors?
[17:01] <ScottK> ari-tczew: We're all part of the Ubuntu project.
[17:01] <ari-tczew> ScottK: Just thought about blue colors.
[17:01] <ulysses> ari-tczew: I don't get it:P
[17:02] <ScottK> !away | hrw|gone
[17:03] <hrw|gone> ScottK: sorry that *ubuntu* channels have different rules. I use nick|gone way for 14 years.
[17:04] <ScottK> hrw|gone: That's the rule on any of the busier channels that I'm aware of.
[17:05] <ari-tczew> ulysses: I was wondering, that Kubuntu developers everywhere uses blue colors.
[17:07] <ulysses> Riddell: kdesvn from Debian experimental build fine with debuild -S without our patch
[17:07] <Riddell> ulysses: how about in natty with a chroot or pbuilder?
[17:07] <Riddell> ulysses: a full build I mean (not source build)
[17:08] <ulysses> Riddell: pbuilder doesn't know natty in Lucid :'(
[17:08] <ScottK> ulysses: Grab the debbootstrap from Natty and then rebuild it for lucid and install it.
[17:08] <ScottK> Then it will.
[17:10] <Riddell> and request a backport to lucid while you're at it :)
[17:15] <ulysses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/debootstrap_1.0.23ubuntu2.dsc.debdiff ?
[17:16] <ulysses> it's building in my ppa
[17:16] <ScottK> ulysses: Except make the version ....ubuntu1~lucid1 so when you upgrade you get the newer package
[17:17] <ulysses> ScottK: okay
[17:22] <ulysses> Build successfully on build server, now I update the version number and build again
[17:26] <shadeslayer> um..
[17:26] <ulysses> Riddell: how do I a backport request?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ulysses: maybe the changelog should read : No change backport to lucid?
[17:27] <Riddell> ulysses: file a bug at launchpad.net/lucid-backports
[17:34] <sheytan> Kubuntu entertainment page (games) with something for apachelogger http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2010/gamesow.jpg :D:D
[17:35] <ulysses> I thought it will be a Dalek :$
[17:36] <sheytan> hey
[17:36] <sheytan> does kubuntu support bluray movies?
[17:36] <sheytan> i mean by default
[17:36] <Riddell> no
[17:36] <sheytan> Riddell what's the hack to have that support?
[17:37] <sheytan> swithc to VLC?  :D
[17:37] <Riddell> there isn't one, it doesn't have a free implementation yet
[17:37] <Riddell> vlc are working on it
[17:37] <sheytan> oh
[17:37] <sheytan> Riddell there are plans to switch to vlc, right
[17:37] <sheytan> ?
[17:38] <ScottK> No
[17:38] <ScottK> Discussed, but not planned.
[17:38] <Riddell> more likely to gstreamer actually
[17:38] <sheytan> ScottK Riddell :( i wish vlc as default :)
[17:38]  * ScottK notes that some things are common across distros - Pick the common thread from http://borntobeopen.blogspot.com/2010/11/fedora-14-kde-plasma-desktop-one.html
[17:39] <ScottK> sheytan: I wish X wouldn't crash ...
[17:39] <sheytan> ScottK swithc to vlc is simpler :D
[17:42] <Riddell> ScottK: how do you mean common thread?
[17:42] <ScottK> Riddell: The complaints about web site updating sounded familiar.
[17:43] <Riddell> ah, yes
[17:44] <sheytan> Riddell one more thing. Web cam support
[17:44] <sheytan> an app for
[17:44] <sheytan> will there be any by default? :D
[17:45] <Riddell> kopete?
[17:45] <sheytan> Riddell oh yeah :D
[17:45] <sheytan> thanks :D
[17:46] <sheytan> and... how do you like the games page guys? :D
[17:47] <Riddell> I like it plenty
[17:47] <Riddell> covers the main options well
[17:48] <sheytan> thank you :D
[17:49] <Riddell> sheytan: if you fancy working on something that will probably see the light of day faster than the website redesign you can put the CD image page on your todo
[17:49] <Riddell> make http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/HEADER.html as pretty as http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/HEADER.html
[17:50] <sheytan> Riddell they're both the same :)
[17:50] <sheytan> the links
[17:50] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20101007/HEADER.html  I mean
[17:52] <sheytan> Riddell we can do better :D
[17:54] <sheytan> and now i don't know what cool should i write about dragon player :(
[17:54] <Riddell> "it plays videos, what more do you want?"
[17:55] <sheytan> Riddell well, for one line it's ok :D But as you see we need more :D
[17:55] <sheytan> Riddell did you take a look at that spreadsheet ofir has made in google docs?
[17:55] <sheytan> with kubuntu accounts
[17:55] <sheytan> we've got new one available everywhere :D
[17:56] <Riddell> I don't think I've seen that
[17:57] <sheytan> Riddell https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuqhNgwMdLZ0dGZENWdlRnNpaW1lVWZJUzRsU1cwUXc&hl=en&pli=1#gid=0
[17:58] <sheytan> ah, it's for ryanakca
[17:58] <Riddell> "We're sorry, riddell@gmail.com does not have permission to access this spreadsheet."
[17:58] <sheytan> anyway, we have the name KubuntuOS for pages like youtube, facebook, etc :)
[17:59] <sheytan> ofir said he will create accounts with that name there :D
[17:59]  * ScottK notes that Dragonplayer fits will with 4.1 of tha Tao: http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html#book4
[18:00]  * ScottK suspects apachelogger has read 4.2.
[18:07] <ulysses> ScottK: pbuilder working, 'I: Retrieving ..' lines are going
[18:08] <ScottK> ulysses: Sounds like you are on your way.
[18:09] <ulysses> bug 670537 is ok?
[18:11] <ScottK> ulysses: Approved.  Now you just need an archive admin with shell access (like Riddell) to do the official backport.
[18:17] <debfx> ScottK: can you accept the gcc-3.3 backport in the karmic and lucid NEW queue?
[18:18] <ScottK> debfx: Looking.
[18:23] <ScottK> debfx: binary accepted on Lucid and accepted the source on Karmic.
[18:27] <sheytan> Riddell you can if you want http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2815/movies.jpg :D
[18:29] <Riddell> sheytan: is that you on the webcam image? 
[18:29] <sheytan> Riddell nope, it's a shot from kde-apps :D
[18:30] <sheytan> why? :D
[18:30] <Riddell> just checking :)
[18:30] <sheytan> oh yeah. Nope it's not me :)
[18:30] <Riddell> videos is a reall fun -> videos is fun
[18:30] <sheytan> why ? :D
[18:31] <Riddell> "a reall" the "a" is bad grammer.  the "reall" is a spelling mistake and "real" sounds very american
[18:31] <Riddell> also in the top banner "Thankfully to our Design Team" -> "Thanks to KDE's Oxygen team"
[18:32]  * ScottK would say videos are real fun.
[18:32] <sheytan> Riddell all text needs a review. This one my friend will do :)
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: uh... in case you arent busy... have you signed my keys? :)
[18:36] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I haven't and I am.
[18:36] <shadeslayer> ok..
[18:36]  * ScottK notes shadeslayer should read http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html if he hasn't.  It will make apachelogger more comprehensible.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: a guide to make apachelogger's talk make sense?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> that has to be a first
[18:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I won't go that far.
[18:38] <shadeslayer> you mean its a start? :P
[18:42] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:43] <Riddell> ulysses: once you've done with kdesvn an interesting task might be to make a whole new package, this looks like something we should look into http://kodeclutz.blogspot.com/
[18:43] <jussi> apachelogger: is definatle not comprehensible... :D
[18:43] <shadeslayer> A minions guid to apachelogger ....
[18:43] <shadeslayer> guide even
[18:46]  * Riddell is parallel building 4.5.3 for 10.10 on 6 amazon EC2 instances
[18:46] <jussi> lol
[18:47] <shadeslayer> poor EC2 machines
[18:47] <shadeslayer> but then.... we get new KDE release
[18:48] <shadeslayer> so.... Go amazon Go!
[18:51] <debfx> ScottK: thanks, one step closer to get the backport finally done :)
[18:51] <ScottK> debfx: Yep.  Feel free to ping me when the Karmic one is in binary New.
[18:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.davidfaure.fr/kde/save-or-open-after.png << does that look better, or do you want right click > open with in rekonq?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> because i think i can do that ^
[18:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that dialogue from dfaure looks interesting
[18:54] <Riddell> would fix the issue for me
[18:54] <shadeslayer> any other comments?
[18:54]  * ScottK likes directly right clicking on the link, but that would do.
[18:55] <neversfelde> evening
[18:56] <neversfelde> are there any more details about this todo item "Use Locos to bring more people into Kubuntu members and development"
[18:57] <shadeslayer> neversfelde:  talk to DarkWingDuck
[18:57] <neversfelde> ok
[18:57] <shadeslayer> he's in charge of loco stuff i think
[18:59] <ScottK> To the extent one can be "in charge" around here.
[18:59] <ScottK> neversfelde: We discussed it a fair amount at UDS and he was there for all the discussions.
[19:00] <Riddell> also Tm_T was interested by that
[19:01] <neversfelde> yes, I know, we had a short talk a few days ago. 
[19:03] <shadeslayer> those atlantic.net vouchers are useless -.-
[19:03] <shadeslayer> you need to put in your credit card info... and i dont have one
[19:03] <neversfelde> the german team has five or six years of experience with Kubuntu loco work, we should share it with other locos
[19:04] <neversfelde> I am back online in about two weeks and I will put this on my todo
[19:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: usually late
[19:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: pong
[19:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: go fix0r neon
[19:05] <Quintasan> what is broken now?
[19:05] <Riddell> what needs fixored in neon?
[19:05] <Quintasan> I bet it's shadeslayer's fault as usual :P
[19:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: move to git has broken everything
[19:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: blame git
[19:05] <Riddell> waa, what's moved now?
[19:05] <Quintasan> I think we need someone to look at kdebindings magic
[19:06] <shadeslayer> i fixed the attica move... now more stuff from support has moved
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging
[19:06] <shadeslayer> see the yellow parts which havent been fixed :P
[19:06] <Quintasan> god damn, they are moving things now?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> yus
[19:07] <Quintasan> HURR
[19:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: projects.kde.org
[19:07] <Quintasan> herp derp
[19:07] <Riddell> I think things get moved as soon as the git import rules are written
[19:07]  * Quintasan has a physics test tomorrow and he must learn
[19:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: stop skiving on IRC then!
[19:07] <shadeslayer> for some reason, i now think svn was better :P
[19:07] <neversfelde> ScottK: is there a log of these discussions?
[19:08] <ScottK> neversfelde: No.  They were in person.  apachelogger may have taken notes.
[19:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, I hope I'll have some more time next week
[19:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: once neon gets a full session script we can pimp it all over the place
[19:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: wtf is cagibi?
[19:08] <ScottK> neversfelde: The idea (which I know will be particularly hard in Germany) is to try and promote loco teams as teams for the entire Ubuntu project (of which Kubuntu is one product).
[19:08] <Riddell> cagibi is the upnp library for KDE
[19:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: *shrug*
[19:09] <Quintasan> oh okay
[19:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: shadeslayer was supposed to take care of that but it will be not necesssary until we get all modules packaged ad auto-building
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: most of the stuff gets taken care by cmake magic
[19:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: any progress on the apparently broken imports of kdebase and kdesupport?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> just need to tweak stuff i think
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: nope, jelmer didnt reply
[19:10] <shadeslayer> need_bigger_poking_stick
[19:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: I disagree, I think all the important modules are there and we should get this promoted as soon as possible
[19:12] <Riddell> most developers want qt/kdelibs/kdebase so they can then build their own apps on top of trunk
[19:12] <Riddell> which is what is there
[19:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh... plasma-desktop wont start after UDS :P
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ( the neon one )
[19:12] <shadeslayer> complains about nepomuk
[19:12] <Quintasan> hmm, that's a good point, but we can't get them to auto-build as long as nepomuk is borked
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh bah
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we had some awesome luck that plasma started 10 mins before the talk :>
[19:13] <yofel> nepomuk currently is missing since soprano isn't packaged
[19:13] <shadeslayer> then nouveau krapped out
[19:14]  * shadeslayer remembers the horrible flickering
[19:14] <yofel> good evening btw. :)
[19:14] <ulysses> this pbuilder is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[19:14] <shadeslayer> that is why
[19:14] <Quintasan> slow pbuilder is slow
[19:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan go fix neon!
[19:14] <ulysses> I don't remmeber when I started the creating
[19:14]  * yofel is just fnishing neon kdeadmin
[19:15] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm currently more occupied by learning for my physics test
[19:15] <yofel> I left that half-done for some reason..
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: likewise here ... 
[19:15] <Riddell> good evening yofel 
[19:15] <Quintasan> yofel: as Riddell said, we want core modules first so we can get more beer to work on other KDE modules
[19:15] <yofel> Quintasan: *should* you get some time, get soprano done :P https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging
[19:15] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel, Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Todo
[19:16]  * shadeslayer has that bookmarked
[19:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: add stuff if I missed something
[19:16] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:16] <Quintasan> it's our general todo dump site from now on
[19:16] <Quintasan> hmm, lex is not around
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i dont see World Domination
[19:17] <Quintasan> add it, quickly!
[19:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you know anything about that kdebindings magic? I can't get it to build
[19:17] <Quintasan> yofel: krap, we need SIP or PyQT rebuild?
[19:17] <yofel> lol
[19:17]  * Quintasan is making a XBox huge Todo for next week
[19:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: which magic?
[19:18] <yofel> Quintasan: more like: can you package it so that it get's into /opt? your current SIP package *at least* breaks apport-kde
[19:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: let me get to the FTBFS part in pbuilder :/
[19:19] <ulysses> Riddell: could you push debootstrap to lucid-backports? https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bug/670537
[19:19] <shadeslayer> done
[19:19] <Quintasan> yofel: I will first make an update for Debian (they want it with python 3 stuff enabled) then I'm going to change it to meet out needs,
[19:20] <jussi> hrm... Im have a tar.lzma images... anyone know how to do something with them? ie. write to USB? (i know about the iso image burner, and the .img one... but tar.lzmma?)
[19:20] <yofel> sure, np
[19:20] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lex is the KDE
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lex.c: In function 'yy_fatal_error':
[19:21] <Quintasan> well, excuse me then, physics calls
[19:21] <shadeslayer> im off as well... 
[19:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: nvm, now automoc4 fails
[19:22] <Riddell> waa
[19:22] <Riddell> ulysses: done
[19:23] <Quintasan> >http://pastebin.com/K36CyJCm
[19:23] <Quintasan> >part of kdesupport
[19:23] <Quintasan> herp derp
[19:23]  * Quintasan gives up for today
[19:23] <yofel> Quintasan: if you need automoc, I did that (project-neon-automoc)
[19:24] <yofel> Quintasan: if you want a full list: attica, automoc, cagibi, akonadi, soprano and polkit-qt-1 were cut out of kdesupport
[19:26] <yofel> from that attica and automoc are packaged, the rest not
[19:35] <sheytan> Riddell are you ready? :D
[19:37] <Riddell> sheytan: totally.  what am I ready for?
[19:37] <sheytan> Riddell the cd page :D
[19:37] <ulysses> pbuilder started building kdesvn \o/
[19:38] <Riddell> ulysses: yay!
[19:38] <Riddell> sheytan: I'm ready
[19:39] <sheytan> Riddell http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8351/baseyd.jpg
[19:39] <ulysses> Riddell: However it doesn't build now, only downloads packages…
[19:40] <Riddell> sheytan: cor.  bling!
[19:40] <sheytan> Riddell what's cor. ? :D
[19:40] <Riddell> sheytan: a posh sounding exclamation
[19:41] <sheytan> oh
[19:41] <sheytan> Riddell so, shall i cut it for you? :)
[19:44] <Riddell> sheytan: I think the 32 bit and 64 bit boxes need to be on top of each other rather than beside
[19:44] <Riddell> the same template is used in some situations that have more than 2 options
[19:45] <Riddell> e.g. here it has 4 http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/
[19:48] <sheytan> Riddell then the box background will repeat 
[19:48] <Riddell> sheytan: ok
[19:48] <sheytan> i think it should stay as it is now :D
[19:48] <sheytan> Riddell the background will be only 1px wide for repeat in css
[19:53] <sheytan> Riddell will you draw in code the main gray background with overlay or you want it as image, too?
[19:55] <Riddell> sheytan: it's HTML no?
[19:55] <Riddell> it should be an open <div> or whatever then there's another FOOTER.html file to close it
[19:55] <sheytan> Riddell it's a mockup :P
[19:56] <Riddell> but the final thing needs to be HTML+CSS
[19:56] <shadeslayer> im marking bug 670448 as Fix released
[19:56] <sheytan> Riddell well, i can try my code skills, but that tomorrow. Can be?
[19:56] <Riddell> sheytan: tomorrow is fine
[19:56] <shadeslayer> it already is the default client, but due to size constraints it cant go on the CD
[19:57] <sheytan> Riddell ok, cool :)
[19:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: "Include" means on the CD.
[19:57] <ScottK> So I think not fixed.
[19:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes, thats why im saying, "Due to size constraints "
[19:58] <ScottK> Was it not included for space reasons or kept falling over and exploading reasons?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Space Reasons i think
[19:58] <ScottK> In any case, that's a rationale for wonotfix, not fix released.
[19:58] <dantti_work> Riddell: I have just fixed LP#633008 with  http://gitorious.org/packagekit/packagekit/commit/41b89ee7febac04fa241acf59097cfa8d7835087
[19:58] <shadeslayer> uh.. i actually thought wont fix first, but since its on the DVD....
[19:59] <Riddell> bug 633008
[19:59] <ScottK> Default install is defined by the kubuntu-desktop metapackages.
[19:59] <dantti_work> Riddell: but a new PackageKit is needed, if you think it's important please patch it, otherwise I explained the work around
[19:59] <Riddell> thanks dantti_work 
[19:59] <Riddell> I'll be looking at SRUs tomorrow
[20:00] <shadeslayer> marked as wont fix for now
[20:00] <dantti_work> Riddell: btw is there a way for me to get notified of PackageKit LP bugs?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: subscribe to them?
[20:00] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+subscribe
[20:01] <dantti_work> shadeslayer: ohhh :D I thought it was harded
[20:01] <dantti_work> *harder
[20:01]  * shadeslayer starts getting 4.5.3 FTBFS from ninja's ppa
[20:01] <dantti_work> Riddell: what is SRUs btw?
[20:02] <Riddell> dantti_work: stable release updates
[20:02] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: :P
[20:02] <Riddell> the process for getting things into maverick-updates
[20:02] <shadeslayer> s/ninjas/staging
[20:02] <dantti_work> Riddell: ah right :)
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you not drop kubuntu_78_krun_http.diff for 4.5.3?
[20:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I did
[20:04] <shadeslayer> you just commented it out i think... 
[20:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:04] <Riddell> yes
[20:05] <shadeslayer> any other changes?
[20:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: only that I messed up the previous changelog entry a little
[20:06] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[20:06] <Riddell> kdepimlibs had some missing symbols which is worrying
[20:06]  * dantti_work goes home
[20:07] <shadeslayer> indeed
[20:07] <Riddell> otherwise I don't think I've made any changes to the packaging of anything
[20:07] <ScottK> Sometime one gets a title and just needs a blog post to be able to use the title.
[20:07] <Riddell> oh okular had a few files added
[20:09] <Riddell> libweather-ion4a in kdebase-workspace has changed SONAME
[20:11] <shadeslayer> ah i think i know about the libweather so change
[20:11] <Riddell> oh?  is it your fault? :)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> nah.. i came to know about that through plasma-widget-yawp
[20:15] <ulysses> kdesvn is building \o/
[20:16] <Riddell> ulysses: phew!
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ->sleep
[20:27] <shadeslayer> cya tmmrw
[20:28] <yofel> gn8 shadeslayer
[20:30]  * ScottK wonders if rdieter knows who he is yet?
[20:31] <rdieter> ScottK: ?
[20:32] <ScottK> rdieter: About 5 minutes ago you went through three IRC nicks in less than a minute.
[20:33] <rdieter> oh that.  switching identities between 2 boxes, and not doing a very good job at it either
[20:39] <Riddell> 20:21 < cody-somerville> Riddell, Can you set a contact e-mail address for kubuntu-ppa so that I don't get e-mailed about that team's build failures?
[20:39] <Riddell> what should I set?
[20:39] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel?
[20:39] <Riddell> kubuntu-spam-me-less mailing list?
[20:41] <rbelem> Riddell, kubuntu-ninjas ml? :-)
[20:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Something pointed at dev/null IMO.
[20:42] <ScottK> uploaders still get mailed directly and that's sufficient.
[20:55] <sheytan> Riddell the code have to be only for the one page i made or for whole service?
[21:02] <Riddell> sheytan: for one page, it's a template and the text gets added later
[21:02] <sheytan> Riddell ok ;)
[21:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: notes on what exactly?
[21:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: make neon work again
[21:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've lost context
[21:09] <ScottK> ah.
[21:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: Notes on the work with locos better discussions.
[21:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes we went hot tubbing after you left
[21:11] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdevelop-pg-qt needing revu
[21:11] <apachelogger> I think I do, not terribly useful things came out of it though, other than kubuntu branches should be part of the regular loco
[21:13]  * ScottK thinks DarkWingDuck, nhandler, and Tm_T should conspire on the subject.
[21:14] <nhandler> ScottK: Have logs from the discussions?
[21:14]  * nhandler notes that thanks to nixternal, the Chicago LoCo frequently gets nice demos of what is going on with Kubuntu ;)
[21:14] <ScottK> It was in person at UDS.
[21:14] <ScottK> And neversfelde too.
[21:14] <ScottK> too many "N" nicks.
[21:14] <nhandler> :)
[21:15] <neversfelde> hehe
[21:15] <apachelogger> well
[21:15] <apachelogger> very appropriate for the n cycle
[21:20]  * ScottK hopes apachelogger appreciates his latest blog post.
[21:26] <shtylman> ScottK: I was amused by the blog post
[21:26] <shtylman> must never forget that all software is fiction :)
[21:27] <ulysses> Riddell: it's failed
[21:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, good one
[21:29] <ulysses> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/mtVPwBAd
[21:48] <ulysses> Riddell: nothing, seems that I forgot the patch…
[21:50] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192734 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/globals.h (log message trimmed)
[21:50] <CIA-39> Document the current fields of the detail QVariantMaps for each ErrorCode,
[21:50] <CIA-39> WarningCode and WorkerQuestion. I've learned a bit from all this, and have
[22:05] <ulysses> Riddell: after fixing the pebkac kdesvn built in natty pbuilder
[22:14] <ulysses> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kdesvn_1.5.5-1ubuntu1.dsc.debdiff
[23:02] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1192773 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (CMakeLists.txt ChangeLog) Muon Installer isn't at all ready to show to the world, even in a public alpha, so disable it from the default build. Also, a few ChangeLog updates.
[23:17] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1192774 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (muon/main.cpp updater/main.cpp) Version bump
[23:36] <apachelogger> kaboom
[23:36] <apachelogger> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kword/html-odf/converter.xsl', which is also in package kword 1
[23:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[23:53] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192779 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog Add ChangeLog to trunk
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> The 1.1 changelog is quite teh large already :)
[23:53] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1192780 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ChangeLog Forgot something :)
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> With the new QApt::Config class, LibQApt would be the perfect candidate for making a software-properties-kde replacement
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> This could be expanded to a KCModule, which could appear in both System Settings as well as Muon: http://imgur.com/biKFz