[03:17] ok, anyone have some time? I placed 10.04 LTS on a powerbook G3. the only thing that won;t work is orca. espeak will not speak and generates a huge log file with bad instruction ))).... nd the default synthasizer reverts to dummy and all that says is to check the logs [03:17] without a working orca, I can't use that machine portably. as it is, I have to ssh into it just to use it [03:18] so? anyone have a clue or am I whistling in the dark here (bad joke from a blind person, but what can I say) [03:19] ooops. thats bad instruction 0000 [05:59] well, I've been in here over 2 hours and not one peep. what kind of help channel is this? [07:19] gah! I give up. no answers here [07:29] dammit [07:30] need more people idling in here [11:06] good morning [11:06] morning [11:07] ah, UndiFineD, have you seen the personas and background to that project? [11:08] yes I have seen the page [11:09] which one do you want to take on? [11:09] Daniela would be a good one if you know orca [11:18] yes i can do that [11:24] * AlanBell updates some wiki pages === JanC_ is now known as JanC [18:00] ok, anyone alive in here? [18:01] hello proudhawk [18:02] you were in before :) [18:02] proudhawk, you had a question about orca / espeak ? [18:03] there uou are [18:04] sorry, I was asleep earlier [18:04] I have a problem on 10.04 LTS where orca doesn't work correctly. everything else works except that one thing (and only in the dummy driver) [18:05] this is on a powerbook G3 lombard [18:05] I have not encountered that issue before but I will search for it, for a potential cause [18:06] the espeak logs are like 700 MB large [18:06] I can post snippets of logs here. [18:07] please, paste logs to paste.ubuntu.com [18:07] I'll have to trim the espeak one. its huge [18:07] I understand :) [18:09] hang on one. ssh'ing into that box now. [18:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/525209/ [18:14] there is the paste [18:14] I hate having to use voiceover on an ssh llink just to use a machine I want to use by itself [18:16] I haven't tried 10.10 LTS yet [18:17] sorry proudhawk I just had a orca crash on me myself [18:19] 10.10 is not a LTS version [18:19] oh really? its up there [18:20] but the official support lasts till the next Long Term Support version [18:22] ok, so, I stick with 10.04 and try to figure out why orca won't use the default synth and espeak spits out a huge log, slows the machine to the point of unusability and then forces a hard boot [18:22] is this your message ? [18:22] When starting espeak, the following error message is displayed. Invalid [18:22] instruction 0000 for phoneme followed by a letter such as h or l. This message [18:22] is repeatedly shown in the terminal untill espeak ends with a segmentation [18:22] fault. I am using Debian Squeeze on a powerpc64 machine. Thanks. [18:22] no [18:23] part of that is related, but is not my message [18:23] then it is found by another powerpc user as well [18:30] proudhawk, there is a patch available [18:30] it was released on august 1st [18:31] so you will need a version higher than: 1.43.03 [18:31] it didnt update then [18:32] on ubuntu 10.10 that is: espeak --help [18:32] eSpeak text-to-speech: 1.44.04 14.Sep.10 [18:33] too many messages at once. I didn;'t understand any of that [18:33] ubuntu 10.10 does have the patched version [18:33] it is espeak version 1.44.04 [18:34] ok [18:34] released on september 14th [18:34] so I need to get the 10.10 version [18:35] let me search for that one in 10.04 [18:35] ok [18:41] you can download the .deb file and install it manually [18:41] it only depends on one library [18:41] libportaudio0 [18:42] you can download it from this location [18:43] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/espeak-data_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [18:45] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [18:45] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/espeak_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [18:46] you keep sending too fast, growl sends everything to voiceover at the same time [18:46] can you send the link for the download and whatever instructions needed to install? [18:46] tooo many at once [18:46] Er, some of those links are for different arches. [18:47] yeah I just noticed Pici [18:48] proudhawk, I will make it easy [18:48] ok, what I got was a lot of noise because they all tried to speak at once. have a heart heree, I am blind and need to get messages 1 line at time [18:49] Sorry. [18:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/525225/ [18:51] none of those links seem to be for ppc [18:51] ubuntu only releases i386 and amd64 [18:52] grrrrrr [18:52] there is http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ [18:53] great.... I'm going to have to compile from sources [18:54] you have any idea how long thats going to take on a 333 Mhz processor? [18:55] long enough and terribly confusing for you [18:56] it was bad enough when I had a little sight, now that I have none, its a new ball game [18:57] my girlfriend is blind on one eye and so is my daughter [18:57] hmmm. one eye only? [18:58] the other side is failing, Kootz disease [18:58] I am cursed with having BOTH eyes in that condition [18:59] ouch [18:59] which one has that [19:00] so now, I am afraid I will have to find someone else with a powerpc to compile a linux binary espeak for you [19:01] both of them [19:01] I wish I had a g4 here. then I could have you remotely access it [19:02] the last one ibm made is a power6 [19:02] oh man. I can teell you that you are going to be in for a lot of emotions [19:02] very rare [19:03] so I've heard [19:03] we already are, all of us have ADD [19:03] just wait, there's more [19:05] mine happened 4 months ago from an infection [19:06] this means I m still dealing with the loss [19:08] so, how far along are they? [19:08] so besides learning you dealing with the change too [19:09] I would recammend they learn braille asap. better to learn now than later [19:10] and, my spelling sucks [19:11] I make more typos than you in an hour [19:11] rea lly? I am still relearning to touchtype [19:14] just posted the question to the forum and on #ubuntu [19:15] hope someone will respond soon [19:15] to compile it for you [19:15] well, I might be able to get some sighted assistance here, but they wont be computer litterate [19:15] I missed the first 2 lines of that, can you repeat [19:16] just posted the question to the forum and on #ubuntu [19:16] ok [19:16] hope someone will respond soon [19:16] ok [19:17] I hope it doesn't take too long [19:19] anyway, I can be reached via e-mail at eric.oyen@gmail.com [19:19] if you need some help dealing with the blindness issues, let me know [19:21] thank you [19:22] if you can, you can send notice there about the patch as well. I have to go, rent due [19:23] bbiab [19:25] ok proudhawk [19:34] proudhawk, [19:34] it appears they are already available on another location [19:35] hiya [19:35] he penelope [19:39] hi UndiFineD ☺ [19:39] :) [19:39] so, yeah, there is an archive for PPC, just not on the main archive server, but on the ports server instead [19:40] I am waiting for proudhawk to return [19:42] also, the PPC builds are probably not well-tested, but you can only try... [19:45] the issue was this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg809075.html [19:47] makes sense [21:02] I am back [21:02] great [21:02] hi proudhawk [21:03] btw, hi UndiFineD [21:03] sorry I haven't been around. I did a couple days post-UDS at Disney and now I'm recovering and fighting ubuflu :-/ [21:03] we solved your issue proudhawk [21:03] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/get-espeak.sh [21:04] is that for me? [21:04] yes [21:04] I run the script there and it gets the file, correct? [21:05] yes, that script will get the files and install them [21:05] eh, wouldn't it be better to set the correct sources? [21:05] correct apt sources [21:06] or is this for a debian system? [21:06] yes it would JanC [21:06] but it is eassier when he can hear what he is doing .. right [21:07] oh, as a workaround to get started, right [21:07] forgot about that, sorry [21:07] this is why I will be running from an ssh session to the machine in question [21:07] do I need to repost the script proudhawk ? [21:08] ok, had to install lynx there so I can get the script [21:09] I copied the link [21:09] wget does the same thing, without leaving the commandline [21:09] there is that [21:09] wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/get-espeak.sh [21:09] w3m is often installed by default instead of lynx nowadays [21:10] btw, my xchat beeped but didn't report a message to growl. was that a whisper defind? [21:11] JanC, for proudhawk I leave deliberate pauzes in the chat [21:11] UndiFineD: okay, I will shutup for now ☺ [21:11] ok, I heard the beep, but no speech. [21:11] no I did not whisper to you proudhawk [21:12] ok, something is up. I know there is text there, but growl doesn't think its a chan message. [21:13] you can execute the script by [21:13] bash get-espeak.sh [21:13] ok [21:14] btw, you sent text to the chan differently than this last 2 times. I had to screen revview to find out what it was [21:14] hello, Pendulum [21:14] hi charlie-tca [21:15] Made it home? [21:15] It was great to meet you finally at UDS! [21:15] yes [21:15] good to meet you too [21:16] Let me know if there are any issues with the wiki changes. It is a continuous process [21:16] I have two days a week to documentation/wiki/etc [21:16] two days to bugs now [21:18] looks like some errors. let me paste to the site [21:18] ok [21:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/525308/ [21:20] I got home about 3 hours ago so I am no where near that organised yet [21:20] get-espeak.sh: line 4: pause: command not found [21:21] that aint so bad [21:21] look further down [21:21] it gets dicey [21:21] ah yes [21:22] wrong order of installation [21:22] oh man! [21:22] Pendulum: sorry. Sounds like you might want to get a little rest [21:22] the last one was needed first [21:23] sudo dpkg --install libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb [21:23] sudo dpkg --install espeak_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb [21:24] I tried the first one you just pasted. [21:25] sudo dpkg --install libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb [21:25] (Reading database ... 108091 files and directories currently installed.) [21:25] Preparing to replace libespeak1 1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1 (using libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb) ... [21:25] Unpacking replacement libespeak1 ... [21:25] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libespeak1: [21:25] libespeak1 depends on libportaudio2 (>= 19+svn20100220); however: [21:25] Version of libportaudio2 on system is 19+svn20090620-0ubuntu2. [21:25] dpkg: error processing libespeak1 (--install): [21:25] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [21:25] Errors were encountered while processing: [21:25] libespeak1 [21:25] its fighting me [21:26] the version is >= and it still complains? [21:27] yes it is, because that one is not available [21:28] charlie-tca: yeah. i really have only about 3 things I'm planning on getting done [21:29] thats nuts. not available. I hate having to do this the hard way. I just once I'd like to have something that "just works" [21:29] so do we proudhawk [21:30] can you say that in regular chat. growl isn't reading that [21:30] proudhawk: err. I meant only 3 (minor) things I plan on getting done this week [21:30] so do we [21:31] hmmmm. I think I see the probelem. growl thinks that anything addressed to me is not a chan message. [21:33] I am looking for the libportaudio2 library [21:33] bah, I fail at typing [21:33] * Pendulum goes away [21:33] * UndiFineD gives a hug to Pendulum [21:37] proudhawk, [21:37] wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/p/portaudio19/portaudio19-dev_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb [21:38] hmm, that might be wrong [21:39] wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/p/portaudio19/libportaudio2_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb [21:39] ok, check that and let me know. I haven't figured out growl yet [21:40] last line [21:41] GAH! dependency errors. [21:42] (Reading database ... 108091 files and directories currently installed.) [21:42] Preparing to replace libportaudio2 19+svn20090620-0ubuntu2 (using libportaudio2_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb) ... [21:42] Unpacking replacement libportaudio2 ... [21:42] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libportaudio2: [21:42] maybe it's better to let proudhawk download a correct APT sources.lst first? [21:42] libportaudio2 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.5~dfsg-14) | libjack-0.116; however: [21:42] Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. [21:42] Package libjack-0.116 is not installed. [21:42] dpkg: error processing libportaudio2 (--install): [21:42] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [21:42] Errors were encountered while processing: [21:42] libportaudio2 [21:42] I might need that. [21:43] proudhawk: what version of Ubuntu are you trying to use? [21:43] yes like JanC said you need a correct apt sources.list [21:43] got one handy? [21:46] wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list [21:48] and that one needs to replace /etc/apt/sources.list [21:48] replace that one with my current one? [21:48] thats what I thought [21:49] UndiFineD: I'm not sure that's correct [21:49] let me make a backup first [21:49] UndiFineD: you probably need to remove the "ubuntu" at the end of the URL [21:49] URLs [21:49] oh ok [21:49] kk. let me edit it [21:50] I am not sure if security does patches for powerpc [21:51] there is a -security repository [21:52] wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list [21:52] updating [21:53] ok, that one was a bust, I'll try the last one [21:55] Ign http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Packages [21:55] Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/restricted Packages [21:55] 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:55] Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/main Packages [21:55] 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:55] Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/multiverse Packages [21:55] 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:55] Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Packages [21:55] 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:55] Fetched 38.7kB in 2s (18.6kB/s) [21:55] W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/restricted/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:56] W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:56] W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/multiverse/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:56] W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/universe/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80] [21:56] E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [21:56] security repositories are also on ports.ubuntu.com, not security.ubuntu.com [21:56] !pastebin [21:56] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [21:57] got it [21:57] let me edit the sources list and change security [21:58] wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list [21:58] already updated [21:59] woot [22:00] sudo apt-get update working for you ? [22:00] yes [22:00] installing 2 packages that weren't installed now [22:01] and then sudo apt-get upgrade [22:02] gah! [22:03] issues ? [22:04] package not available but referenced by another package [22:04] \o/ (emoticon representing a person throwing his/her two hands in the air, yelling "yipee") [22:04] oops [22:04] yelling too early... [22:04] libjack-jackd2-0 is not available, but is referred to by another package [22:05] all I need is those 2 and I can get everything working. [22:06] wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/j/jackd2/libjack-jackd2-0_1.9.6~dfsg-1ubuntu1_powerpc.deb [22:08] these twothis is getting frustrating [22:08] more dependency errors [22:09] conflicting packages [22:10] is there a force command with dpkg? [22:10] yes [22:10] dpkg --force --install [22:11] says unknown options [22:12] JanC, is it dpkg --force-install [22:12] nope [22:12] you should use apt-get [22:13] if possible [22:14] which packages are conflicting ? [22:14] libjack-jackd2-0 and ? [22:14] libjack-jackd2-0 conflicts with libjack0 [22:14] looking force-help now [22:16] looks like force-all will work [22:19] it didn't like that. had to upgrade libstdc++6 and than do an apt-get -f install [22:19] and now its removing orca [22:20] libjack-jackd2-0: Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.5) but 4.4.3-4ubuntu5 is to be installed [22:21] this is the problem with bleeding edge [22:21] yes [22:25] proudhawk, [22:25] would it help if we could find someone local for you ? [22:26] definitely [22:26] I just don't have any spare money to give them [22:26] btw, I am in phoenix arizona [22:27] money ? most us love to help out, for free [22:27] :) I usually try to donate some funds. unfortunately, this month has been thin (fixed incomes are a drag) [22:31] libjack-jackd2-0 depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.5); however: [22:31] Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.4.3-4ubuntu5 [22:32] and I can't seem to find that later version. brb nature break [22:33] :) [22:35] ok back [22:35] I found a loco channel for you: #Ubuntu-US-AZ [22:36] which you could join for local support and maybe meet up with people [22:38] wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gcc-4.5/libstdc++6_4.5.1-9ubuntu1_powerpc.deb [22:38] linux never seemed to pose this much of a problem before (and that was back whe I only had limited eyesight). UndefineD ty for the info. btw, reguarding your family member and the other half that are going blind, you are going to find this much frustration. I am trying to work through it myself. all I can say is, be patient and if they say they can't do something, show them how [22:38] which is part of gcc-4.5 [22:39] so [22:39] sudo apt-get install gcc-4.5 [22:41] it hung reading package lists [22:42] man your install gives issues [22:43] this is just 10.04. I wonder what 10.10 LTS will bring [22:43] maybe it is best to find some local knowledgeable support first [22:43] proudhawk, we are working on that :) [22:44] grrrrr. growl still doesn't read messages with my name in them [22:44] we are working on that :) [22:45] lets introduce you on #Ubuntu-US-AZ [22:45] I am using Xchat with growl under OS X snow leopard. its the only accessible method I have to use irc with VoiceOVer [22:52] certainly is slow in there [22:53] yorokobi spoke to me, but he is keeping quiet, probably because he thinks he cannot help [22:54] hmmm. well, some assistance is better than none [22:56] E: Couldn't find package gcc-4.5 [22:58] very odd [22:59] as it is there on the server