[03:17] <proudhawk> ok, anyone have some time? I placed 10.04 LTS on a powerbook G3. the only thing that won;t work is orca. espeak will not speak and generates a huge log file with bad instruction ))).... nd the default synthasizer reverts to dummy and all that says is to check the logs
[03:17] <proudhawk> without a working orca, I can't use that machine portably. as it is, I have to ssh into it just to use it
[03:18] <proudhawk> so? anyone have a clue or am I whistling in the dark here (bad joke from a blind person, but what can I say)
[03:19] <proudhawk> ooops. thats bad instruction 0000
[05:59] <proudhawk> well, I've been in here over 2 hours and not one peep. what kind of help channel is this?
[07:19] <proudhawk> gah! I give up. no answers here
[07:29] <AlanBell> dammit
[07:30] <AlanBell> need more people idling in here
[11:06] <UndiFineD> good morning
[11:06] <AlanBell> morning
[11:07] <AlanBell> ah, UndiFineD, have you seen the personas and background to that project?
[11:08] <UndiFineD> yes I have seen the page
[11:09] <AlanBell> which one do you want to take on?
[11:09] <AlanBell> Daniela would be a good one if you know orca
[11:18] <UndiFineD> yes i can do that
[11:24]  * AlanBell updates some wiki pages
[18:00] <proudhawk> ok, anyone alive in here?
[18:01] <UndiFineD> hello proudhawk 
[18:02] <UndiFineD> you were in before :)
[18:02] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, you had a question about orca / espeak ?
[18:03] <proudhawk> there uou are
[18:04] <UndiFineD> sorry, I was asleep earlier
[18:04] <proudhawk> I have a problem on 10.04 LTS where orca doesn't work correctly. everything else works except that one thing (and only in the dummy driver)
[18:05] <proudhawk> this is on a powerbook G3 lombard
[18:05] <UndiFineD> I have not encountered that issue before but I will search for it, for a potential cause
[18:06] <proudhawk> the espeak logs are like 700 MB large
[18:06] <proudhawk> I can post snippets of logs here.
[18:07] <UndiFineD> please, paste logs to paste.ubuntu.com
[18:07] <proudhawk> I'll have to trim the espeak one. its huge
[18:07] <UndiFineD> I understand :)
[18:09] <proudhawk> hang on one. ssh'ing into that box now.
[18:13] <proudhawk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/525209/
[18:14] <proudhawk> there is the paste
[18:14] <proudhawk> I hate having to use voiceover on an ssh llink just to use a machine I want to use by itself
[18:16] <proudhawk> I haven't tried 10.10 LTS yet
[18:17] <UndiFineD> sorry proudhawk I just had a orca crash on me myself
[18:19] <UndiFineD> 10.10 is not a LTS version
[18:19] <proudhawk> oh really? its up there
[18:20] <UndiFineD> but the official support lasts till the next Long Term Support version
[18:22] <proudhawk> ok, so, I stick with 10.04 and try to figure out why orca won't use the default synth and espeak spits out a huge log, slows the machine to the point of unusability and then forces a hard boot
[18:22] <UndiFineD> is this your message ?
[18:22] <UndiFineD> When starting espeak, the following error message is displayed. Invalid 
[18:22] <UndiFineD> instruction 0000 for phoneme followed by a letter such as h or l. This message 
[18:22] <UndiFineD> is repeatedly shown in the terminal untill espeak ends with a segmentation 
[18:22] <UndiFineD> fault. I am using Debian Squeeze on a powerpc64 machine. Thanks.
[18:22] <proudhawk> no
[18:23] <proudhawk> part of that is related, but is not my message
[18:23] <UndiFineD> then it is found by another powerpc user as well
[18:30] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, there is a patch available
[18:30] <UndiFineD> it was released on august 1st
[18:31] <UndiFineD> so you will need a version higher than: 1.43.03
[18:31] <proudhawk> it didnt update then
[18:32] <UndiFineD> on ubuntu 10.10 that is: espeak --help
[18:32] <UndiFineD> eSpeak text-to-speech: 1.44.04  14.Sep.10
[18:33] <proudhawk> too many messages at once. I didn;'t understand any of that
[18:33] <UndiFineD> ubuntu 10.10 does have the patched version
[18:33] <UndiFineD> it is espeak version 1.44.04
[18:34] <proudhawk> ok
[18:34] <UndiFineD> released on september 14th
[18:34] <proudhawk> so I need to get the 10.10 version
[18:35] <UndiFineD> let me search for that one in 10.04
[18:35] <proudhawk> ok
[18:41] <UndiFineD> you can download the .deb file and install it manually
[18:41] <UndiFineD> it only depends on one library
[18:41] <UndiFineD> libportaudio0
[18:42] <UndiFineD> you can download it from this location
[18:43] <UndiFineD> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/espeak-data_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[18:45] <UndiFineD> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[18:45] <UndiFineD> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/espeak/espeak_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[18:46] <proudhawk> you keep sending too fast, growl sends everything to voiceover at the same time
[18:46] <proudhawk> can you send the link for the download and whatever instructions needed to install?
[18:46] <proudhawk> tooo many at once
[18:46] <Pici> Er, some of those links are for different arches.
[18:47] <UndiFineD> yeah I just noticed Pici 
[18:48] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, I will make it easy
[18:48] <proudhawk> ok, what I got was a lot of noise because they all tried to speak at once. have a heart heree, I am blind and need to get messages 1 line at time
[18:49] <Pici> Sorry.
[18:50] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/525225/
[18:51] <proudhawk> none of those links seem to be for ppc
[18:51] <UndiFineD> ubuntu only releases i386 and amd64
[18:52] <proudhawk> grrrrrr
[18:52] <UndiFineD> there is http://espeak.sourceforge.net/
[18:53] <proudhawk> great.... I'm going to have to compile from sources
[18:54] <proudhawk> you have any idea how long thats going to take on a 333 Mhz processor?
[18:55] <UndiFineD> long enough and terribly confusing for you
[18:56] <proudhawk> it was bad enough when I had a little sight, now that I have none, its a new ball game
[18:57] <UndiFineD> my girlfriend is blind on one eye and so is my daughter
[18:57] <proudhawk> hmmm. one eye only?
[18:58] <UndiFineD> the other side is failing, Kootz disease
[18:58] <proudhawk> I am cursed with having BOTH eyes in that condition
[18:59] <proudhawk> ouch
[18:59] <proudhawk> which one has that
[19:00] <UndiFineD> so now, I am afraid I will have to find someone else with a powerpc to compile a linux binary espeak for you
[19:01] <UndiFineD> both of them
[19:01] <proudhawk> I wish I had a g4 here. then I could have you remotely access it
[19:02] <UndiFineD> the last one ibm made is a power6
[19:02] <proudhawk> oh man. I can teell you that you are going to be in for a lot of emotions
[19:02] <UndiFineD> very rare
[19:03] <proudhawk> so I've heard
[19:03] <UndiFineD> we already are, all of us have ADD
[19:03] <proudhawk> just wait, there's more
[19:05] <proudhawk> mine happened 4 months ago from an infection
[19:06] <proudhawk> this means I m still dealing with the loss
[19:08] <proudhawk> so, how far along are they?
[19:08] <UndiFineD> so besides learning you dealing with the change too
[19:09] <proudhawk> I would recammend they learn braille asap. better to learn now than later
[19:10] <proudhawk> and, my spelling sucks
[19:11] <UndiFineD> I make more typos than you in an hour
[19:11] <proudhawk> rea lly? I am still relearning to touchtype
[19:14] <UndiFineD> just posted the question to the forum and on #ubuntu
[19:15] <UndiFineD> hope someone will respond soon
[19:15] <UndiFineD> to compile it for you
[19:15] <proudhawk> well, I might be able to get some sighted assistance here, but they wont be computer litterate
[19:15] <proudhawk> I missed the first 2 lines of that, can you repeat
[19:16] <UndiFineD> just posted the question to the forum and on #ubuntu
[19:16] <proudhawk> ok
[19:16] <UndiFineD> hope someone will respond soon
[19:16] <proudhawk> ok
[19:17] <proudhawk> I hope it doesn't take too long
[19:19] <proudhawk> anyway, I can be reached via e-mail at eric.oyen@gmail.com
[19:19] <proudhawk> if you need some help dealing with the blindness issues, let me know
[19:21] <UndiFineD> thank you
[19:22] <proudhawk> if you can, you can send notice there about the patch as well. I have to go, rent due
[19:23] <proudhawk> bbiab
[19:25] <UndiFineD> ok proudhawk 
[19:34] <UndiFineD> proudhawk,
[19:34] <UndiFineD> it appears they are already available on another location
[19:35] <Pendulum> hiya
[19:35] <UndiFineD> he penelope
[19:39] <JanC> hi UndiFineD  ☺
[19:39] <UndiFineD> :)
[19:39] <JanC> so, yeah, there is an archive for PPC, just not on the main archive server, but on the ports server instead
[19:40] <UndiFineD> I am waiting for proudhawk to return
[19:42] <JanC> also, the PPC builds are probably not well-tested, but you can only try...
[19:45] <UndiFineD> the issue was this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg809075.html
[19:47] <JanC> makes sense
[21:02] <proudhawk> I am back
[21:02] <UndiFineD> great
[21:02] <Pendulum> hi proudhawk 
[21:03] <Pendulum> btw, hi UndiFineD 
[21:03] <Pendulum> sorry I haven't been around. I did a couple days post-UDS at Disney and now I'm recovering and fighting ubuflu :-/
[21:03] <UndiFineD> we solved your issue proudhawk 
[21:03] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/get-espeak.sh
[21:04] <proudhawk> is that for me?
[21:04] <UndiFineD> yes
[21:04] <proudhawk> I run the script there and it gets the file, correct?
[21:05] <UndiFineD> yes, that script will get the files and install them
[21:05] <JanC> eh, wouldn't it be better to set the correct sources?
[21:05] <JanC> correct apt sources
[21:06] <JanC> or is this for a debian system?
[21:06] <UndiFineD> yes it would JanC
[21:06] <UndiFineD> but it is eassier when he can hear what he is doing .. right
[21:07] <JanC> oh, as a workaround to get started, right
[21:07] <JanC> forgot about that, sorry
[21:07] <proudhawk> this is why I will be running from an ssh session to the machine in question
[21:07] <UndiFineD> do I need to repost the script proudhawk  ?
[21:08] <proudhawk> ok, had to install lynx there so I can get the script
[21:09] <proudhawk> I copied the link
[21:09] <UndiFineD> wget does the same thing, without leaving the commandline
[21:09] <proudhawk> there is that
[21:09] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/get-espeak.sh
[21:09] <JanC> w3m is often installed by default instead of lynx nowadays
[21:10] <proudhawk> btw, my xchat beeped but didn't report a message to growl. was that a whisper defind?
[21:11] <UndiFineD> JanC, for proudhawk I leave deliberate pauzes in the chat
[21:11] <JanC> UndiFineD: okay, I will shutup for now  ☺
[21:11] <proudhawk> ok, I heard the beep, but no speech. 
[21:11] <UndiFineD> no I did not whisper to you proudhawk 
[21:12] <proudhawk> ok, something is up. I know there is text there, but growl doesn't think its a chan message.
[21:13] <UndiFineD> you can execute the script by
[21:13] <UndiFineD> bash get-espeak.sh
[21:13] <proudhawk> ok
[21:14] <proudhawk> btw, you sent text to the chan differently than this last 2 times. I had to screen revview to find out what it was
[21:14] <charlie-tca> hello, Pendulum 
[21:14] <Pendulum> hi charlie-tca 
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Made it home?
[21:15] <charlie-tca> It was great to meet you finally at UDS!
[21:15] <Pendulum> yes
[21:15] <Pendulum> good to meet  you too
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Let me know if there are any issues with the wiki changes. It is a continuous process
[21:16] <charlie-tca> I have two days a week to documentation/wiki/etc
[21:16] <charlie-tca> two days to bugs now
[21:18] <proudhawk> looks like some errors. let me paste to the site
[21:18] <UndiFineD> ok
[21:20] <proudhawk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/525308/
[21:20] <Pendulum> I got home about 3 hours ago so I am no where near that organised yet
[21:20] <UndiFineD> get-espeak.sh: line 4: pause: command not found
[21:21] <UndiFineD> that aint so bad
[21:21] <proudhawk> look further down
[21:21] <proudhawk> it gets dicey
[21:21] <UndiFineD> ah yes
[21:22] <UndiFineD> wrong order of installation
[21:22] <proudhawk> oh man!
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: sorry. Sounds like you might want to get a little rest
[21:22] <UndiFineD> the last one was needed first
[21:23] <UndiFineD> sudo dpkg --install libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:23] <UndiFineD> sudo dpkg --install espeak_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:24] <proudhawk> I tried the first one you just pasted.
[21:25] <proudhawk> sudo dpkg --install libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:25] <proudhawk> (Reading database ... 108091 files and directories currently installed.)
[21:25] <proudhawk> Preparing to replace libespeak1 1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1 (using libespeak1_1.44.05~really-1.44.04-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb) ...
[21:25] <proudhawk> Unpacking replacement libespeak1 ...
[21:25] <proudhawk> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libespeak1:
[21:25] <proudhawk>  libespeak1 depends on libportaudio2 (>= 19+svn20100220); however:
[21:25] <proudhawk>   Version of libportaudio2 on system is 19+svn20090620-0ubuntu2.
[21:25] <proudhawk> dpkg: error processing libespeak1 (--install):
[21:25] <proudhawk>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[21:25] <proudhawk> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:25] <proudhawk>  libespeak1
[21:25] <proudhawk> its fighting me
[21:26] <proudhawk> the version is >= and it still complains?
[21:27] <UndiFineD> yes it is, because that one is not available
[21:28] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: yeah. i really have only about 3 things I'm planning on getting done
[21:29] <proudhawk> thats nuts. not available. I hate having to do this the hard way. I just once I'd like to have something that "just works"
[21:29] <UndiFineD> so do we proudhawk 
[21:30] <proudhawk> can you say that in regular chat. growl isn't reading that
[21:30] <Pendulum> proudhawk: err. I meant only 3 (minor) things I plan on getting done this week
[21:30] <UndiFineD> so do we
[21:31] <proudhawk> hmmmm. I think I see the probelem. growl thinks that anything addressed to me is not a chan message.
[21:33] <UndiFineD> I am looking for the libportaudio2 library
[21:33] <Pendulum> bah, I fail at typing
[21:33]  * Pendulum goes away
[21:33]  * UndiFineD gives a hug to Pendulum 
[21:37] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, 
[21:37] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/p/portaudio19/portaudio19-dev_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:38] <UndiFineD> hmm, that might be wrong
[21:39] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/p/portaudio19/libportaudio2_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[21:39] <proudhawk> ok, check that and let me know. I haven't figured out growl yet
[21:40] <UndiFineD> last line
[21:41] <proudhawk> GAH! dependency errors.
[21:42] <proudhawk> (Reading database ... 108091 files and directories currently installed.)
[21:42] <proudhawk> Preparing to replace libportaudio2 19+svn20090620-0ubuntu2 (using libportaudio2_19+svn20100802-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb) ...
[21:42] <proudhawk> Unpacking replacement libportaudio2 ...
[21:42] <proudhawk> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libportaudio2:
[21:42] <JanC> maybe it's better to let proudhawk download a correct APT sources.lst first?
[21:42] <proudhawk>  libportaudio2 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.5~dfsg-14) | libjack-0.116; however:
[21:42] <proudhawk>   Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed.
[21:42] <proudhawk>   Package libjack-0.116 is not installed.
[21:42] <proudhawk> dpkg: error processing libportaudio2 (--install):
[21:42] <proudhawk>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[21:42] <proudhawk> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:42] <proudhawk>  libportaudio2
[21:42] <proudhawk> I might need that.
[21:43] <JanC> proudhawk: what version of Ubuntu are you trying to use?
[21:43] <UndiFineD> yes like JanC said you need a correct apt  sources.list
[21:43] <proudhawk> got one handy?
[21:46] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list
[21:48] <UndiFineD> and that one needs to replace /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:48] <proudhawk> replace that one with my current one?
[21:48] <proudhawk> thats what I thought
[21:49] <JanC> UndiFineD: I'm not sure that's correct
[21:49] <proudhawk> let me make a backup first
[21:49] <JanC> UndiFineD: you probably need to remove the "ubuntu" at the end of the URL
[21:49] <JanC> URLs
[21:49] <UndiFineD> oh ok 
[21:49] <proudhawk> kk. let me edit it
[21:50] <UndiFineD> I am not sure if security does patches for powerpc
[21:51] <JanC> there is a -security repository
[21:52] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list
[21:52] <proudhawk> updating
[21:53] <proudhawk> ok, that one was a bust, I'll try the last one
[21:55] <proudhawk> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/restricted Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/main Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/multiverse Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Err http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security/universe Packages
[21:55] <proudhawk>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:55] <proudhawk> Fetched 38.7kB in 2s (18.6kB/s)
[21:55] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/restricted/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/multiverse/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/universe/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.37 80]
[21:56] <proudhawk> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[21:56] <JanC> security repositories are also on ports.ubuntu.com, not security.ubuntu.com
[21:56] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[21:56] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:57] <proudhawk> got it
[21:57] <proudhawk> let me edit the sources list and change security
[21:58] <UndiFineD> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/sources.list
[21:58] <UndiFineD> already updated
[21:59] <proudhawk> woot
[22:00] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get update   working for you ?
[22:00] <proudhawk> yes
[22:00] <proudhawk> installing 2 packages that weren't installed now
[22:01] <UndiFineD> and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:02] <proudhawk> gah! 
[22:03] <UndiFineD> issues ?
[22:04] <proudhawk> package not available but referenced  by another package
[22:04] <JanC> \o/ (emoticon representing a person throwing his/her two hands in the air, yelling "yipee")
[22:04] <JanC> oops
[22:04] <JanC> yelling too early...
[22:04] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0 is not available, but is referred to by another package
[22:05] <proudhawk> all I need is those 2 and I can get everything working.
[22:06] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/j/jackd2/libjack-jackd2-0_1.9.6~dfsg-1ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[22:08] <proudhawk> these twothis is getting frustrating
[22:08] <proudhawk> more dependency errors
[22:09] <proudhawk> conflicting packages
[22:10] <proudhawk> is there a force command with dpkg?
[22:10] <UndiFineD> yes
[22:10] <UndiFineD> dpkg --force --install 
[22:11] <proudhawk> says unknown options
[22:12] <UndiFineD> JanC, is it dpkg --force-install
[22:12] <proudhawk> nope
[22:12] <JanC> you should use apt-get
[22:13] <JanC> if possible
[22:14] <UndiFineD> which packages are conflicting ?
[22:14] <UndiFineD> libjack-jackd2-0 and ?
[22:14] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0 conflicts with libjack0
[22:14] <proudhawk> looking force-help now
[22:16] <proudhawk> looks like force-all will work
[22:19] <proudhawk> it didn't like that. had to upgrade libstdc++6 and than do an apt-get -f install
[22:19] <proudhawk> and now its removing orca
[22:20] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0: Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.5) but 4.4.3-4ubuntu5 is to be installed
[22:21] <proudhawk> this is the problem with bleeding edge
[22:21] <UndiFineD> yes
[22:25] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, 
[22:25] <UndiFineD> would it help if we could find someone local for you ?
[22:26] <proudhawk> definitely
[22:26] <proudhawk> I just don't have any spare money to give them
[22:26] <proudhawk> btw, I am in phoenix arizona
[22:27] <UndiFineD> money ? most us love to help out, for free
[22:27] <proudhawk> :) I usually try to donate some funds. unfortunately, this month has been thin (fixed incomes are a drag)
[22:31] <proudhawk> libjack-jackd2-0 depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.5); however:
[22:31] <proudhawk>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.4.3-4ubuntu5
[22:32] <proudhawk> and I can't seem to find that later version. brb nature break
[22:33] <UndiFineD> :)
[22:35] <proudhawk> ok back
[22:35] <UndiFineD> I found a loco channel for you: #Ubuntu-US-AZ 
[22:36] <UndiFineD> which you could join for local support and maybe meet up with people
[22:38] <UndiFineD> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gcc-4.5/libstdc++6_4.5.1-9ubuntu1_powerpc.deb
[22:38] <proudhawk> linux never seemed to pose this much of a problem before (and that was back whe I only had limited eyesight). UndefineD ty for the info. btw, reguarding your family member and the other half that are going blind, you are going to find this much frustration. I am trying to work through it myself. all I can say is, be patient and if they say they can't do something, show them how
[22:38] <UndiFineD> which is part of gcc-4.5
[22:39] <UndiFineD> so 
[22:39] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get install gcc-4.5
[22:41] <proudhawk> it hung reading package lists
[22:42] <UndiFineD> man your install gives issues
[22:43] <proudhawk> this is just 10.04. I wonder what 10.10 LTS will bring
[22:43] <UndiFineD> maybe it is best to find some local knowledgeable support first
[22:43] <UndiFineD> proudhawk, we are working on that :) 
[22:44] <proudhawk> grrrrr. growl still doesn't read messages with my name in them
[22:44] <UndiFineD> we are working on that :) 
[22:45] <UndiFineD> lets introduce you on #Ubuntu-US-AZ 
[22:45] <proudhawk> I am using Xchat with growl under OS X snow leopard. its the only accessible method I have to use irc with VoiceOVer
[22:52] <proudhawk> certainly is slow in there
[22:53] <UndiFineD> yorokobi spoke to me, but he is keeping quiet, probably because he thinks he cannot help
[22:54] <proudhawk> hmmm. well, some assistance is better than none
[22:56] <proudhawk> E: Couldn't find package gcc-4.5
[22:58] <UndiFineD> very odd
[22:59] <UndiFineD> as it is there on the server