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rodrigo_now I'm going to sleep, so good night all00:01
robert_ancellrodrigo_, later00:02
lamalexHorizontal scrolling isn't working on my thinkpad, it worked in 10.04. I enabled it in mouse prefs. Should I file as an X bug?01:16
RAOFProbably.01:20
lamalexI think it might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/66144501:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 661445 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Horizontal scroll doesn't work in maverick in SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,Confirmed]01:29
lamalexbut I'm not sure how to tell what kind of touchpad I have01:30
lamalexdont see anything in lsusb or lspci01:30
Sir_Konradlamalex, I'm pretty sure you have a Synaptics PS/2... A lot of Thinkpads do.01:31
Sarvattlamalex: does synclient HorizEdgeScroll=1 enable it?01:38
lamalexlol now I can't find anything that needs to scroll horizontally :P01:40
lamalexSir_Konrad, nope01:41
Sir_Konradlamalex, you don't have a Synaptic one?01:42
ajmitchlamalex: I think /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show which touchpad type it is01:45
ajmitchnot sure if there's a better way to see or now01:45
ajmitchs/now/not/01:45
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dpmgood morning pitti, I've added an action for you on http://is.gd/gEArp to update the text description on the langpacks PPA once we've got the schedule on the wiki and on the calendar - I just want to check you're ok with it09:06
seb128dpm, hey09:07
dpmheya seb12809:07
seb128dpm, he's in Boston for plumbers this week so probably sleeping09:07
seb128just for information09:07
seb128dpm, how are you? had a nice trip back?09:07
dpmaah, thanks seb128, yeah, now I remember he mentioned it. Thanks for the heads up09:07
dpmseb128, fine, thanks :) - but got caught by the infamous ubuflu, no doubt helped by the air conditioning in Orlando and in the plane09:08
seb128:-(09:09
dpmseb128, and you? Had a nice trip back and a nice Bank Holiday on Monday?09:09
seb128yes, and I managed to go back on local time after a night09:10
seb128without the ubuflu09:10
dpmnice :)09:10
seb128I can't complain this time ;-)09:10
dpm:)09:10
huatsmorning09:22
seb128lut huats09:49
seb128didrocks, is the new evo still on your to review list?09:49
seb128huats, ca va ?09:49
didrocksseb128: yes it is, there were still some issues with cyphermox latest proposal and he is fixing them09:49
seb128ok09:50
seb128I was reviewing versions and wondering if that one was still being worked09:50
didrocksyes, it's still, no worry on it, I'm following :)09:50
seb128ok09:51
huatsseb128, I am fine thanks !09:55
huatsappart from the fact that my office has been robbed last week...09:55
huatsyou ?09:55
huats(I have read that you avoided the ubuflu :) )09:56
seb128I'm fine thanks09:58
seb128yeah didrocks told me about your office09:58
seb128sorry about that09:58
huatsseb128, thanks09:59
huatsit is a bit annoying because it takes me a lot of time10:00
huatsand quite some money...10:00
huatstoday the most annoying thing is that I haven't a spare PC to build... (and since I am doing a lot of squashfs it slow a lot my every day computer...)10:03
huatsand since I have my credit card stollen...I can't order another one yet :(10:03
* didrocks hugs huats10:05
didrocks:/10:05
didrocksdid you get a lot of money, apart from ubuntu-fr's one?10:06
huatsdidrocks, nope10:06
huatsnothing...10:06
huatsjust the ubuntu-fr one,  (that for the record I'll pay back myself...)10:07
huatsdidrocks, they took my passport, a credit card, my netbook and my build computer + the monitor :(10:07
didrockshuats: well, as said on the ML, don't worry, focus first on having your paper, cards and a computer to work10:08
huatsdidrocks, I will :)10:08
bilalakhtarmvo: Hello there! Free?10:15
seb128bilalakhtar, did you send that gtk patch upstream as well?10:46
seb128bilalakhtar, could you add the bug number on launchpad?10:46
bilalakhtarseb128: okay, doing that now11:05
bilalakhtarsorry for the delay, I was having lunch11:05
bilalakhtarforgot to put myself on /away11:05
seb128no worry11:06
bilalakhtarseb128: done11:11
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bilalakhtarrodrigo_: Congrats on becoming a member of ~ubuntu-desktop11:38
bilalakhtar!11:38
rodrigo_thanks bilalakhtar11:38
* bilalakhtar would apply soon, when seb128 would find him fit for the job11:38
seb128well ubuntu-desktop gives mainly access to things on the default desktop, you didn't worked on those much yet11:39
bilalakhtarpapercuts?11:39
seb128keep contributing and do some updates this cycle11:40
bilalakhtaryup11:40
bilalakhtarwill update when GTK3 gets into Ubutnu11:40
bilalakhtar*ubuntu11:40
seb128well you don't really need commit access to papercuts11:40
seb128but yeah, keep contributing and we will see ;-)11:40
seb128rodrigo got it mainly because he needs upload rights to the gtk3 ppa11:40
bilalakhtarah11:40
bilalakhtarwhat do you mean by : You don't need commit access for papercuts?11:41
bilalakhtarah, okay, I got what you meant11:41
seb128well you don't have upload rights for those components anyway11:44
seb128so having commit access wouldn't give you much11:44
seb128you would still need a sponsor11:44
Laneyubuntu desktop would give upload though no?11:47
seb128not the launchpad team11:47
Laneythought it did11:47
LaneyArchive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in natty11:48
seb128if it does I didn't know about it11:48
seb128hum, ok11:48
LaneyI thought that was the main point of the team11:48
seb128we need to be careful who we add then11:48
bilalakhtarI think Laney is right11:48
seb128well the point is to have access to the vcs11:49
bilalakhtarI also thought that ~u-d gives access to the package set11:49
seb128I though somebody add to ack the upload rights as well for upload11:49
Laneyin parallel to being able to upload, yeah11:49
seb128time to eat11:49
seb128bbl11:49
bilalakhtarbye, seb12811:49
didrocksreboot bbiab11:50
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rodrigo_seb128, ok, libcanberra built now (had to patch it to build with GTK3)12:44
seb128rodrigo_, did you push your work somewhere?12:44
rodrigo_seb128, pushing now12:45
rodrigo_seb128, lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/libcanberra/ubuntugtk312:48
rodrigo_seb128, should I push to the PPA, or wait for your review?12:48
seb128rodrigo_, wait12:50
seb128I will review it now12:50
rodrigo_ok12:50
mvobilalakhtar: hey, sorry for the reply - now I have time :)12:57
mvobilalakhtar: for the late reply12:57
seb128hey mvo12:57
seb128how are you?12:57
bilalakhtarmvo: no problem, How are you?12:57
mvobilalakhtar: good, thanks!12:58
mvobilalakhtar: a bit tired (jetlag)12:58
mvoseb128: hi!12:58
bilalakhtarmvo: then, rest a bit12:58
bilalakhtarmvo: I was asking about what would be the right time before u-m would say 'System may be up to date. Press the check button to check for available software updates' after an apt-get update. I am talking about bug #3500912:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 35009 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Says "System is up to date" when package lists not updated (affects: 7) (dups: 6) (heat: 102)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3500912:59
bilalakhtarA week should be enough12:59
bilalakhtar(IMHO)12:59
pittidpm: of course, thanks13:00
pittiGood morning13:00
seb128hey pitti13:01
dpmhey pitti, thank you :)13:01
* pitti -> sessions, &13:01
mvobilalakhtar: let me have a look13:01
didrocksgood morning pitti13:01
mvobilalakhtar: from first glance the diff looks fine, I will merge now13:02
bilalakhtarmvo: you went as far as merging the branch!13:03
bilalakhtarWhat I asked was different13:03
bilalakhtarSince you just came from UDS I thought to not get you to sponsor right away13:03
bilalakhtarI was just asking whether 1 week would be the right time13:03
bilalakhtarthough IMHO the branch is good, but its your wish13:04
mvobilalakhtar: I think one week is fine13:07
mvobilalakhtar: do you think its too long?13:07
bilalakhtarmvo: could be, but for stable Ubuntu releases it should be fine13:07
bilalakhtarAnd, I know many new users who don't like the idea of updating their systems more often than once a week13:08
mvobilalakhtar: *nod*13:10
bilalakhtarmvo: so, I have to go now, sorry. BTW, you may be tired, so rest. I am in no hurry to get my changes in the archive13:10
bilalakhtaror in the trunk13:10
bilalakhtarso, merge whenever you have time13:11
bilalakhtarbye!13:11
mvothanks bilalakhtar!13:11
bilalakhtarYou're welcome13:12
* rodrigo_ -> lunch13:15
cyphermoxhmm... unity feels weird with two screens... I need to switch to the window on the second screen then head back to the first for the menus and then back to the second ...13:24
didrocksbug already filed FYI :)13:25
cyphermoxah, sweet13:26
cyphermoxdo you know the #?13:26
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cyphermoxI feel like extending or adding a top panel would probably be sufficient to get the right "feeling", unless it's just letting apps have their own menus if they aren't displayed on the first screen :P13:27
didrockshum chromium is completely crazy when searching in the bar or use shortcut… will switch back to firefox soon…13:28
didrockscyphermox: there are already a lot of discussion on it, but you can look for it (I already spent too much time on finding duplicates a day :))13:29
didrockscyphermox: this kind of discussion should be on the ayatana ML I think13:29
cyphermoxdidrocks, ok.13:29
nessitahello humans! may I have a sponsorship for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.6/+merge/39964 ?14:00
seb128nessita, hey robot14:07
seb128nessita, ok, can do that for you ;-)14:07
nessitaseb128: awesome! and I was playing the monster role (too much disney world in me still)14:08
seb128nessita, ;-)14:08
seb128mterry, hey14:10
jcastrocharlie-tca: if you have time we could use a hand confirming that this fix works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/62774414:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 627744 in tomboy (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "Tomboy note names are blank in the Application Indicator fallback menu (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 151)" [High,Fix committed]14:11
mterryseb128, hello!14:12
kenvandinethx jcastro, charlie-tca14:12
seb128mterry, how are you?14:12
seb128mterry, not going to plumbers?14:12
seb128key kenvandine14:12
kenvandinehey seb12814:12
mterryseb128, good.  no, I've gone before, but it's too much kernel, not enough userspace for me14:12
seb128kenvandine, the x264 fix is still on my list so don't worry about it by maverick sru are frozen for linaro14:12
seb128mterry, ok14:13
kenvandineah, ok14:13
kenvandinethx seb12814:13
seb128mterry, could you peer review lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/libcanberra/ubuntugtk314:13
seb128mterry, I will review gtk in a bit ;-)14:13
seb128got busy with other things until now14:13
mterryseb128, sure14:14
seb128mterry, thanks14:14
seb128didrocks, you got bugs14:28
seb128I've just sent 2 evo bugs your way14:29
seb128calendar not respecting week days and timelines14:29
seb128it seems to be due to your une backports14:29
seb128I've rebuilt with 89* and 91* and it works fine14:29
didrocksseb128: please, can I have a puppy face as a notification when you say "you got bugs"? :)14:29
seb128didrocks, lol14:30
didrocksseb128: ok, let's have a look :)14:30
didrocksseb128 | I've rebuilt with 89* and 91* and it works fine14:30
didrocks-> you mean, "without"14:30
seb128yes14:31
seb128I just wanted to drop the express patch first14:31
seb128but it made other ones fail14:31
didrockshum, I see that will be a joy to do, maybe not for today but will give it a look later14:32
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seb128didrocks, no hurry, it's just that we got quite some duplicates and it's Ubuntu specific14:34
seb128so we should try to fix it14:34
didrocksseb128: btw, when you point to upstream bug report, do you look at bug reports "fixed" or at commits?14:35
seb128didrocks, you mean?14:35
seb128when I point who?14:35
didrocksseb128: like in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/649543/comments/1214:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 649543 in evolution (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) ""work week" preferences do nothing - no effect (affects: 29) (dups: 7) (heat: 158)" [Low,Triaged]14:36
didrocksseb128: you look for bug report closed in bugzilla?14:36
seb128usually yes14:37
seb128but in this case I did type calendar on the git log14:37
didrocksok :)14:37
seb128on git.gnome.org14:37
seb128that's because the guy who tested said it works in other distros14:38
seb128so I figured it has been fixed in git during the 2.32 cycle14:38
nessitamvo: ping14:38
nessitamvo: when you come back: hello! so, I've read your comment on bug #624065, and I have no so good news. We (desktop+) have no time allocated in the roadmap for that feature :-/ I will try to squeeze a fix before natty release, but if you want/can provide a patch we'll love you and you'll get your func in place :-)14:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 624065 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Detect revoked SSO tokens (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62406514:47
didrocksseb128: that patch is already in the tarball and not reverted by evo express, I will have a deeper look then14:48
seb128didrocks, ok, I found that patch before having finishing my build14:48
seb128it was a first guess before I figured the backport patch was the issue14:49
didrocksnot a joy as a lot of items have been renamed in the express branch, so a signal should be missing14:49
seb128didrocks, did that code land in 2.32?14:49
didrocksseb128: yeah, but it has changed a lot since14:50
seb128didrocks, you might be able to find something in the diff between those14:50
seb128hum, ok14:50
seb128didrocks, or try watching the git you used for the backport, they might have fixed it there?14:50
didrocksseb128: already done :) and no activity since june14:51
seb128:-(14:51
didrocksI'll try first to remove the express tweak in calendar14:52
seb128didrocks, enjoy the debugging then ;-)14:52
didrocksseb128: well… yes :-)14:53
mvonessita: thanks, I will see what I can do, should not be too much work actually14:57
nessitamvo: yeah, specially if you use the current code as example14:57
nessitaI mean, as guideline :-)14:57
jcastrodidrocks: do we ship upnp support in rhythmbox in 10.10 and earlier?15:00
jcastroI am wondering if feature parity means "banshee needs to support upnp" or "banshee needs to support upnp with what's on the CD and don't add anything else"15:01
didrocksjcastro: not by default in 10.10, it's a separate package15:01
jcastrook so something in universe is fine?15:01
didrocksjcastro: it was before lucid IIRC15:01
didrocksyeah15:01
seb128jcastro, yes15:02
seb128the upnp code is shipped with rb but we install it in a different binary15:02
seb128which is not installed by default because it depends on coherence15:02
seb128mterry, did you push your gtk3 with gir somewhere?15:09
mterryseb128, yeah, lp:~mterry/+junk/ubuntugtk315:09
seb128thanks15:09
seb128mterry, --enable-introspection=yes seems wrong in configure_flags15:12
seb128shouldn't it be to =no15:12
seb128then =yes for the shared flavor15:12
seb128you have it to =yes in shared_configure_flags15:12
mterryseb128, I wasn't sure about that.  I knew we wanted it for shared.  But wasn't sure about normal15:12
seb128seems it will be exercising some non standard build configuration15:13
seb128like gir in the static build15:13
seb128I think we should do it only for the shared flavor15:13
seb128would it only to reduce build time15:13
mterryk, easy to change15:14
seb128yeah15:14
seb128mterry, ok, seems ready for me otherwise, I'm doing a testbuild there to check as well15:16
seb128why the heck is bzr bd failing to download tarballs15:19
seb128or rather seems to be downloading for a while and then says tarball not found15:20
mterryseb128, uscan can't find the gtk3 tarballs15:20
mterrynot sure why15:20
seb128is that the watch issue you fixed in some other sources?15:20
seb128([\d\.])+[02468]15:20
seb128to  ([\d\.]+[02468])15:20
mterryseb128, maybe..?   yeah...  i think that all wants to be in the parens15:21
mterryseb128, oh also, that line only checks for stable releases15:21
seb128that's a valid point ;-)15:21
seb128wget -nv -T10 -t3 -O ../tarballs/gtk+3.0_2.91.3.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/2.91/gtk+-2.91.3.tar.gz15:21
seb128I've that in my log15:21
seb128so it seems it does figure the right location15:22
didrocks../tarballs exists?15:22
seb128no15:22
seb128# create tarball dir15:22
seb128mkdir -p ../tarballs15:22
seb128wget -nv -T10 -t3 -O ../tarballs/gtk+3.0_2.91.3.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gtk+/2.91/gtk+-2.91.3.tar.gz15:22
seb128in fact15:22
seb128in the log15:22
seb128still seems to be a fail15:23
seb128it's using /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/gnome-get-source.mk15:24
seb128not the watch15:24
mterryah15:26
mterryrodrigo_, I'm looking at your canberra gtk3 branch15:27
rodrigo_mterry, ok15:27
mterryrodrigo_, you bumped compat to 7, but need to bump debhelper to >= 7 too then15:27
rodrigo_mterry, ah, ok, let me change it15:27
seb128why do you bump the compat?15:27
mterryrodrigo_, you switched from cdbs to quilt?  Surprised me that you would prefer that.  I think desktop packages are mostly on quilt15:28
mterryseb128, good point, I didn't see any changes that needed it15:28
rodrigo_ok, coming back to 5, not sure why I did15:28
* mterry shudders at cdbs patches15:28
mterryrodrigo_, you dropped the gtk2 module's dbg package.  was that intentional?15:29
rodrigo_mterry, hmm, well, I prefer the cdbs patches, but I'm ok with switching to quilt if tha'ts better15:29
rodrigo_mterry, hmm, did I?15:29
seb128rodrigo_, we sort of standardized on quilt after a while15:29
seb128with edit-patch nowadays it's ok15:29
rodrigo_wasn't intentional, no, so re-adding it now15:30
seb128edit-patch understands quilt15:30
* seb128 hugs mvo15:30
mterry:)15:30
mterryrodrigo_, you overrode DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_ALL in debian/rules.  Did you mean +=?15:30
chrisccoulsonoh, i've not used edit-patch yet15:30
chrisccoulsoni just use quilt directly ;)15:30
* mterry hugs quilt15:30
* chrisccoulson hugs quilt too15:30
chrisccoulson:)15:30
rodrigo_mterry, yes15:30
seb128chrisccoulson, edit-patch is useful when you need things like running autoreconf or so15:30
seb128it avoids having to quilt add things15:31
mterryrodrigo_, and this is minor, but gtk3-dev has a different required version of gtk3 than the build-depends.  Probably not intentional?15:31
mterryseb128, oh, didn't know that, cool.  But as we discussed, I also hate autoreconf patches.  Go dh-autoreconf!15:31
seb128yeah ;-)15:31
seb128I still hate quilt for having to export QUILT_PATCHES15:32
seb128or to have to quilt add things you modify15:32
seb128I often forget the quilt add and edit the file15:32
seb128then I need to trash my work and start again15:32
nessitaseb128: any news with the upload? if you haven't sponsored yet, I'd like to remove the proposal and make a new one15:32
seb128nessita, you can do a new one, I got sidetracked in the gtk review15:32
seb128nessita, you are next15:33
mterryseb128, I just hold down undo for a while, quilt add, then hold down redo.  :)15:33
nessitaseb128: great! I'll remove the current one, so ignore until further notice15:33
mterryrodrigo_, so besides the gtk3-dev version, one last thing about debian/rules15:33
seb128mterry, ;-)15:33
mterryrodrigo_, did you really want to update dh_makeshlibs -V args to 0.26 from 0.24?15:34
mterryI get the /usr/lib/canberra-0.26 one, but the -V args, I'm not as sure about15:34
seb128rodrigo_, as a rules we usually try to not do changes over debian for packages come from there when not required15:34
mterryI believe that sets the required version of libcanberra for any reverse depends15:34
didrocksargh, I have to create a pbuilder for maverick. How come I don't have one?15:34
seb128like changing the patch system or bumping the compat version15:34
seb128come -> coming15:34
seb128mterry, rodrigo_: right the shlibs defines the current api version15:35
seb128ie the version anything building against the lib will depends on15:35
seb128urg15:35
seb128we scared him away? ;-)15:35
mterryseb128, right.  I'm not sure off the top of my head if 0.26 broke API15:35
mterryheh15:36
mterryseb128, rodrigo_, hrm, the API docs don't indicate anything even changed in 0.24, so probably don't need the bump to 0.2615:38
seb128I'm doing a 0.26 build to check15:38
mterryseb128, how do you check doing a build?15:38
rodrigo_mterry, that's the version there was in the ubuntu-desktop branch15:38
rodrigo_seb128, mterry: although I think 0.24 is not ready to build with GTK315:38
seb128mterry, I still have 0.25 installed15:38
mterryrodrigo_, no, I mean as an argument to dh_makeshlibs -V15:38
rodrigo_mterry, ah15:39
mterryrodrigo_, in debian/rules, the -V argument specifies the last time the package broke API and reverse-depends need to depend on that version or greater15:39
mterryrodrigo_, you bumped that from 0.24 to 0.26, but probably didn't need to15:39
seb128mterry, I've small script which nm -D the installed version and the build one15:39
seb128and diff the lists15:39
mterryseb128 is checking15:39
seb128mterry, check-symbols in ubuntu-dev-tools does something similar15:40
mterryseb128, fancy.  isn't that what .symbols is for?15:40
seb128using the deb for each version rather than a build dir15:40
seb128mterry, right, I had mine years before .symbols though :p15:41
mterryrodrigo_, oh, speaking of, you need a debian/libcanberra-gtk3-0.symbols file15:41
seb128it still comes handy for things not using .symbols15:41
rodrigo_mterry, ok15:41
seb128which I just nothing libcanberra do15:41
seb128nothing -> noticed15:41
seb128why do we still have DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libcanberra0 calls?15:41
seb128the .symbols should be enough15:42
mterryseb128, oh really, dh_makeshlibs does that from symbols?  clever15:42
rodrigo_so, I can remove those lines then?15:42
mterrybrb15:42
seb128rodrigo_, you can remove the -V15:42
rodrigo_ok15:43
seb128you might want to keep the -- -c<n>15:43
seb128that tells the build to stop if symbols are missing15:43
rodrigo_and leave the -- -c4?15:43
rodrigo_ok15:43
seb128yes15:43
mterryrodrigo_, that's all I had.  :)  if those are fixed, seems good, pending seb128's OK15:46
rodrigo_mterry, ok, building now, will push in a minute15:46
seb128mterry, <mterry> seb128, oh really, dh_makeshlibs does that from symbols?  clever15:47
seb128mterry, what is "that"?15:47
mterryseb128, I guess "that" is what dh_makeshlibs is supposed to do -- determine minimum requirements of packages.  :)  I just never thought about where it got the info from15:51
seb128mterry, ah ;-)15:52
seb128yeah it lists all the symbols used15:52
seb128read the version for those in the .symbols15:52
seb128and use that15:52
rodrigo_mterry, pushed15:54
ricotzhi, what is the reason for "debian/patches/01-build-with-gtk3.patch" in libcanberra, isnt it better to use the official 0.26 tarball?15:54
rodrigo_ricotz, are we not using the official one?15:54
rodrigo_ricotz, I got that fix from git15:54
ricotz0.26 includes this patch15:54
rodrigo_not the one we have, it seems15:55
ricotzhttp://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/libcanberra-0.26.tar.gz15:55
seb128rodrigo_, your source seems to be 0.2515:55
seb128according to the configure15:55
rodrigo_hmm15:55
rodrigo_it is indeed, got confused by the previous entry in debian/changelog15:56
seb128where did you get the checkout from?15:56
rodrigo_ubuntu-desktop branch15:56
seb128I guess that's debian dir only though?15:56
rodrigo_hmm15:57
seb128we way we usually work there is debian dir only and tarball is automagically downloaded and used15:57
rodrigo_yes, but the branch I have is indeed ~ubuntu-desktop/libcanberra/ubuntu15:58
rodrigo_that's the correct one, right?15:58
seb128oh you are right it's full source15:58
seb128I bet robert_ancell got confused by the format15:58
seb128we usually use debian only format15:58
rodrigo_ok, so I bzr merge-upstream from the official tarball, or are you fixing the branch?15:59
seb128rodrigo_, so yeah, you are right, robert screwed it15:59
seb128rodrigo_, you need to merge-upstream15:59
rodrigo_ok15:59
seb128having 2 workflows is confusing15:59
seb128that's sort of what with discussed last week15:59
seb128mterry, rodrigo_: do you know if there is some documentation on the full source way to update?16:00
seb128http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr16:00
seb128equivalent to that but with merge-upstream16:00
mterryseb128, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/16:00
mterryrodrigo_, ^16:00
rodrigo_ok16:00
seb128mterry, thanks16:01
seb128hum16:01
seb128I wondering if we should switch to that16:01
seb128at least for things which don't take days to download ;-)16:01
mterryseb128, we can just ship gnome release sources to team members on a dvd  :)16:02
seb128lol16:03
bilalakhtarseb128: bzr merge-upstream works with debian folder only branches?16:03
seb128no16:03
seb128debian only uses tarballs16:04
rodrigo_hmm -> Unable to find the tag for the previous upstream release, 0.25...16:09
rodrigo_if I tag the branch, it still fails16:09
* kenvandine upgrades to natty... 16:10
seb128one other reason I don't like full source in bzr :p16:10
seb128you always have issues like that16:10
seb128where debian only is very low demanding16:10
seb128rodrigo_, james_w or didrocks or others might know16:10
rodrigo_yeah, I prefer debian only too16:11
didrockswhen upstream uses bzr, merge-upstream is the best :)16:11
kenvandineit is definately much faster to push and pull16:11
didrocksrodrigo_: what do you try with mu?16:11
rodrigo_didrocks, merge-upstream libcanberra 0.26 on the ~ubuntu-desktop/libcanberra/ubuntu branch16:12
rodrigo_didrocks, it says 'unable to find the upstream-0.25 tag'16:13
seb128I guess the vcs in not on merge-upstream format16:13
didrocksrodrigo_: yeah, if nobody used it before, you should tag it manually16:13
rodrigo_ok, so bzr tag upstream-0.25 ?16:14
didrocksrodrigo_: yeah, look what commit you should add to it16:14
didrocksweird, you have in latest commit "New upstream release" with no upstream file changed…16:14
seb128didrocks, because robert_ancell used it as a debian only vcs16:15
didrocksseb128: not sure how it handles with file in the bzr tree :)16:15
seb128he doesn't16:15
seb128I doubt he is running into those often16:15
rodrigo_adding the tag fails also, in a different way though16:15
seb128I've to admit I don't really know how to deal with those either when upstream is not in bzr16:15
rodrigo_wouldn't it be easier to move that ubuntu.-desktop branch to debiabn-only again?16:16
seb128check with TheMuso16:16
seb128he's the one whoc was working on it until now16:16
rodrigo_TheMuso, ^16:16
seb128so he might have an opinion16:16
seb128rodrigo_, what error do you get after tagging?16:17
rodrigo_it says 0.26-ubuntu1 is less than 0.26-0ubuntu1~maverick~ppa1, but I'm doing this on a clean branch, without my changes, so not sure where it gets that from16:18
rodrigo_ah16:18
seb128yeah you might need to merge-upstream on the current version16:19
seb128then to apply your changes16:19
rodrigo_it removes the debian dir, when doing merge-upstream16:21
didrocksthat's what it's doing on first merge-upstream16:21
didrocksyou have to revert the first time16:21
rodrigo_http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/525150/16:21
didrocksrodrigo_: bzr revert debian/16:25
tedgbryceh, Have you played any with the GTG branch that adds an LP backend?16:25
didrocksrodrigo_: dch -v<blabla<16:25
rodrigo_didrocks, ok16:25
didrocksrodrigo_: only the first merge-upstream known and filed bug :)16:25
rodrigo_ok, I think I got it, it's building correctly now -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/libcanberra/ubuntugtk316:33
rodrigo_mterry, seb128: do I do a merge proposal so that the diff is easier to look at?16:33
mterryrodrigo_, yeah, that is easier16:34
rodrigo_ok16:34
seb128the merge proposal diff are different from standard diffs?16:34
rodrigo_https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/libcanberra/ubuntugtk3/+merge/3999016:35
rodrigo_seb128, oh, no, it's just it's easier to look at, rather than seeing the revisions on my branch16:35
rodrigo_of course, my merge proposal includes all the upstream changes :(16:38
rodrigo_yeah, my diff is completely borked, seems the upstream tarball includes a debian dir16:39
ricotzrodrigo_, oh, is the drop of the sound-theme patch intended?16:39
rodrigo_no16:40
ricotzok, so then it is missing16:40
rodrigo_ricotz, the diff is borked, it shows every file as being removed and added16:41
seb128rodrigo_, easier to review those by bzr diffing the debian dir between revisions16:41
rodrigo_yes16:41
rodrigo_I'll pastebin that, and remove the merge proposal16:41
seb128don't bother16:41
seb128we can do it locally16:42
rodrigo_ah, ok16:42
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didrocksahah, take that evolution! :)16:52
seb128didrocks, you got it?16:52
didrocksseb128: yeah, both bugs was the same cause :)16:53
seb128lacking an update?16:53
didrocksseb128: not really, the editor really changed the gconf key, but as the restruction of evolution is half finished in 2.30 and the express branch was relying on it, there were no parent listening to the change.16:54
seb128oh ok16:54
didrocksI had to minimize the change to add the part for listening the gconf key again as well adapting it with previous structure :)16:54
brycehtedg, a while ago, not recently16:59
tedgbryceh, Was it reasonable stable, or should I avoid looking? :)17:03
brycehtedg, avoid17:05
rodrigo_seb128, mterry, did you review my branch?17:36
mterryrodrigo_, oh no, I didn't.  didn't know you had gone back and actually requested a merge17:37
rodrigo_mterry, my branch is a bit borked, so I guess for a merge I'd need a cleaner one, but just need review to upload the package to the gnome3 ppa17:38
rodrigo_mterry, but no hurry, just wanted to know if there was something else wrong17:38
mterryOh I see, you fixed the whole 0.25/0.26 thing17:38
rodrigo_yes17:38
mterryOK, looking now17:40
pittiseb128: do you think you can review/approve https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint this week?17:40
seb128pitti, yes17:40
seb128pitti, how is plumber?17:40
seb128pitti, I will review the spec in a bit or tomorrow morning17:41
pittiseb128: in one word: "enlightening" :) in fact there's quite some bits to discuss on our side, I'll follow up next week17:42
pittiseb128: cheers17:42
pittiseb128: sohuldn't take much work, you were in the session and there shouldn't be much surprise17:42
seb128right17:42
seb128pitti, lot of stack changes coming from plumbers?17:42
pittiseb128: one word: systemd :)17:43
seb128lol17:44
mterryrodrigo_, what happened in the 're-add debian directory' commit?  It makes bzr diff really hard to understand (every file is removed & added instead of being changed)17:46
mterryas well as losing bzr history for those files17:46
rodrigo_mterry, yeah, merge-upstream removed the dir so re-added it17:46
mterryrodrigo_, it deleted the debian/ directory? odd17:47
rodrigo_yes17:47
mterryrodrigo_, you can get it back by doing 'bzr revert debian' instead of re-adding them, though I'm not sure why it deleted it17:48
rodrigo_I think it's because the upstream tarball has a debian/ dir, let me check17:48
rodrigo_no, it doesn't17:48
rodrigo_so yeah, not sure why it did, I guess it got confused by the branch not having had a merge-upstream before17:49
rodrigo_I think we should fix the ubuntu-desktop branch to not have the source in it, shouldn't we?17:49
mterryrodrigo_, well...  there are two schools of thought on that, and I'm not sure where canberra falls (normal distro stuff is full-source, most desktop-team stuff has historically been debian-only)17:50
rodrigo_yeah17:50
rodrigo_I'll try fixing my branch for a better merge proposal17:50
mterryrodrigo_, thanks, the bzr history is important17:51
rodrigo_yeah17:51
TheMusorodrigo_: Also be aware that there are unreleased changes in debian libcanberra git.17:52
TheMusoThat we will likely need for GTK3.17:52
seb128why?17:53
seb128what sort of changes?17:53
seb128rodrigo_ got a gtk3 build without those17:53
TheMusoGtk3 support was added, thast pretty much it.17:54
rodrigo_yeah, it builds the gtk3 module correctly17:55
rodrigo_mterry, forget my previous branch, removing it and submitting a new one17:55
rodrigo_mterry, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/libcanberra/ubuntugtk3/+merge/39997 <- now it's ok18:00
mterry:)18:01
* mterry looks18:01
mterryrodrigo_, I bet you thought this would be easier!  :)18:03
rodrigo_yeah, the previous branch's diff was completely messed up18:03
seb128420+ * debian/patches/01-build-with-gtk3.patch:18:04
seb128421+ - Add patch to make it build with GTK318:04
seb128rodrigo_, ^ to clean?18:04
rodrigo_yeah18:05
* rodrigo_ cleans18:05
rodrigo_pushed18:05
mterryrodrigo_, what's the src/sound-theme-spec.c about?  That was upstream?18:07
rodrigo_mterry, yes18:07
rodrigo_mterry, I just merge-upstream and then did changes in debian/18:07
mterryrodrigo_, weird.  I wonder how that affects us.  Also,  -gtk3-dev still depends on a different version of gtk3 than the Build-Depends18:07
seb128rodrigo_, you should document the rules changes in the changelog as well18:08
rodrigo_mterry, it's just a .spec file, not built it seems18:08
rodrigo_ah, sorry, it's a C file18:08
mterryrodrigo_, so what's the deal with the header files like libcanberra.h?  There's just one copy and whether you're building with gtk2 or gtk3, you use the same header?18:08
rodrigo_ok, fixing the -gtk3-dev18:09
rodrigo_mterry, seems so, you select which one to link to18:09
mterryrodrigo_, then gtk3-dev should probably depend on gtk-dev to pull in libcanberra-gtk.h18:10
seb128that seems suboptimal18:10
mterryrodrigo_, also, this isn't your fault, but /usr/bin/canberra-gtk-play should really not be in a library package18:10
mterrynot worth fixing now though18:11
seb128sjoerd said he was interested to get the canberra update in debian18:11
seb128I will point him to the ppa version one uploaded18:11
seb128so we can sort with debian what to do for those18:11
seb128just to make sure we don't divert18:11
rodrigo_seb128, mterry, ok, pushed last 2 fixes18:13
didrocksok, sport and dinner, see you tomorrow!18:13
rodrigo_bye didrocks18:13
seb128didrocks, have fun18:13
didrocksrodrigo_: seb128: enjoy your evening :)18:13
rodrigo_didrocks, you too :)18:13
rodrigo_seb128, so, what other libs do we need in the PPA? gtk-engines-3? what others?18:15
mterryrodrigo_, I think at-spi needs to ship a gtk3 module as well as gtk2 one18:15
rodrigo_right18:16
rodrigo_what about gtksourceview?18:16
mterryrodrigo_, did you do the gtk3-dev depends on gtk-dev change?18:16
rodrigo_do we want it in the PPA, or just when we package gedit?18:16
rodrigo_mterry, hmm, no18:16
rodrigo_mterry, shall I?18:17
mterryrodrigo_, I agree with seb128 that it's suboptimal, but we need some way to ship libcanberra-gtk.h when gtk3-dev is used.  We could split it into a common-dev package, or we could ship two copies of the header with namespaces...  or we could have one depend on the other18:17
seb128depends for now18:18
seb128we will not get ride of the gtk2 version in the next weeks18:18
rodrigo_can we have 1 file in 2 subpackages?18:18
seb128we can upload for now and sort that with debian18:18
mterryrodrigo_, only if they conflict&replace each other18:18
seb128sjoerd said he would review your work for debian in the next days18:18
rodrigo_ah, ok18:18
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rodrigo_so, do I add the dependency then?18:18
seb128rodrigo_, yes for now18:22
rodrigo_ok18:22
seb128until we sort a better way18:22
seb128<sjoerd> seb128: in my local trial version i've got a libcanberra-gtk-common-dev, but that seems a bit suboptimal as well18:22
seb128 seb128: (with the vapi and the .h)18:22
rodrigo_ok, pushed18:25
seb128sjoerd tried on that18:25
seb128rodrigo_, ok18:25
seb128if mterry is happy with the current version feel free to upload to the ppa18:25
seb128I will drop an email to sjoerd about your current work18:25
rodrigo_ok18:25
seb128so he can review and comment later on18:26
seb128I will Cc you on the email18:26
rodrigo_ok18:26
seb128rodrigo_, thanks for working on that ;-)18:26
rodrigo_you're welcome :)18:26
seb128rodrigo_, is there still anything we lack to build g-c-c after that?18:26
mterryrodrigo_, yeah, seems great!  push to the ppa and thanks18:26
rodrigo_mterry, ok18:26
seb128do we need that libsocial?18:26
seb128is somebody working on packaging it?18:26
rodrigo_seb128, I think not, but I'll try later on18:26
rodrigo_right, libsocial18:27
rodrigo_I'll look at packaging that18:27
seb128ok18:27
seb128rodrigo_, mterry: you guys have enough tasks to keep busy?18:28
rodrigo_seb128, I do, yes18:28
rodrigo_seb128, but if you want me to work on something, just tell me18:28
mterryseb128, I have stuff to work on, but I can take something18:28
seb128no, I'm just trying to make sure people don't waste time because they don't know what to do18:28
seb128rodrigo_, mterry: ok, great, so just keep on your current tasks ;-)18:29
seb128rodrigo_, btw you might want to hang on  oftc #debian-gnome18:30
rodrigo_ah, ok18:30
seb128we might have some of the gtk3 update discussions there with the debian guys over the cycle18:30
seb128it's usually very low activity18:31
seb128but being there is useful for such discussions18:31
rodrigo_here on freenode?18:31
seb128no, on oftc18:31
seb128irc.oftc.net18:31
seb128that's the irc debian is using18:31
seb128(yeah, yet another server to connect)18:32
rodrigo_:)18:33
rodrigo_ok, I'm in, but I'm leavbing now for some fresh air, so later all!18:33
seb128rodrigo_, have fun, see you tomorrow18:35
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kenvandinetedg, i made some changes to the ubuntu-geoip package lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-geoip/ubuntu19:54
kenvandineadded description, bumped standards and set the desktop team as the package maintainer19:54
tedgkenvandine, Cool, I'll merge those.19:56
* tedg is good at stealing other's work :)19:56
kenvandinei'll look for a sponsor soon, hacking up a test in python to make sure it behaves well without much installed :)19:56
seb128kenvandine, it's about time you run for motu rights20:00
seb128;-)20:00
kenvandineseb128, yeah.. i know :)20:03
kenvandinei just need to ask for endorsements and get on the agenda for the next meeting20:03
kenvandinei keep forgetting about it20:03
kenvandinei guess that is the problem when most packages i touch i have upload rights for :)20:03
seb128we can fix that if you want ;-)20:04
kenvandinehaha20:04
kenvandinealthough the other day i thought it would be fun to go do some sponsoring and help clean up the queue20:04
kenvandinebut of course i couldn't :/20:04
seb128see20:05
Laneyuniverse queue is pretty clean these days20:05
Laneyyou want main rights for that :P20:05
seb128you need motu first then you can get there ;-)20:05
kenvandineseb128, nope... dholbach told me to go ahead and ask for core-dev20:05
seb128better20:05
seb128go for it ;-)20:05
seb128so you can clean the sponsoring queue!20:06
seb128there is no way you will get out of your sponsoring duties :p20:06
kenvandinei'll make sure i am on the agenda for the next meeting20:06
kenvandine:)20:06
seb128thanks20:06
dobeyhas anyone here built natty packages in a ppa?20:06
seb128dobey, quite some people did that20:06
seb128we have a bunch of desktop ones20:07
dobeyok20:07
seb128why?20:07
dobeyi guess it's just the source recipe builder stuff on launchpad that's not working for it20:07
dobeyi get chroot errors when trying to build source recipes on lp for it20:08
seb128I guess you should ask the launchpad guys20:08
seb128works fine for normal uploads20:08
dobeyyeah, that's why i asked if normal ppa uploads worked ok. :)20:09
dobeyi'll bug the lp guys, thanks20:10
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cyphermoxguh, just finally made evolution-exchange 2.32 agree to compile on natty :)20:20
kenvandinetedg, so with geoclue, is should be able to set my accuracy and allowed resources and it will figure out the provider to use?20:57
* kenvandine was looking at a plugin for GTG and they iterate over all the available providers and decide which to use20:58
kenvandinewhich seems silly to me20:58
tedgkenvandine, Yup.  I haven't tested that though.20:58
tedgkenvandine, The master client should be able to choose one for you.20:58
kenvandineok20:58
kenvandinei actually think there is a bug in python-geoclue20:58
kenvandinewhich i have a fix for20:58
tedgkenvandine, You can look in indicator-datetime for how I do it.20:58
kenvandinebut need to look at it with fresh eyes later :)20:58
rodrigo_kenvandine, any idea why I get this:21:39
rodrigo_Unable to find libcanberra_0.26.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.21:39
rodrigo_Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.21:39
rodrigo_when submitting from a source package branch?21:39
rodrigo_it seems it doesn't upload the tar.gz, why?21:39
kenvandineis the libcanberra_0.26.orig.tar.gz in the dir?21:40
rodrigo_yes21:40
cyphermoxrodrigo_, is it a *ubuntu1 revision?21:51
rodrigo_hmm, no, it's 221:52
cyphermoxyou might want to debuild -S -sa if it's for a PPA21:52
rodrigo_ok21:52
cyphermox(or the 'bzr bd -S -- -sa' equivalent)21:52
* cyphermox -> eod21:53
rodrigo_right, that did it, it's uploading the tar.gz now21:54
rodrigo_hey robert_ancell21:56
robert_ancellrodrigo_, hey21:56
robert_ancellrodrigo_, hey21:57
kklimonda_rodrigo_: I like your host ;)22:11
sarvatthttp://etherpad.osuosl.org/lpc2010-desktop  -- desktop discussions from today at plumbers, the death to distributions talk (aka gnome os) was especially interesting22:11
kklimonda_sarvatt: are the discussions and presentations recorded?22:11
sarvattI dont believe so outside of the awesome non crashy gobby replacement etherpad notes22:12
kklimonda_bummer - topics that are being discussed on the plumber conference are really interesting :/22:13
sarvattgnome 4.0 = the one distro to rule them all basically (pretty easy to guess what it would be based on)22:28
kklimonda_sarvatt: how are they planning to do that? it22:31
kklimonda_it's one thing to say that gnome is going to be the os itself, it's another thing to convince enough people of it.22:31

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