| j1mc | hi all - anyone around? | 00:17 |
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| dutchie | depends what you mean by "around" | 00:17 |
| j1mc | hey dutchie | 00:17 |
| nisshh | j1mc, im here, but im busy, whats up? | 00:18 |
| j1mc | well, i was thinking... i know it might not be tremendously popular, but i think there might be a good rationale for working to merge the tasks of the ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-manual teams | 00:19 |
| j1mc | here's some of the rationale | 00:19 |
| nisshh | go on | 00:19 |
| j1mc | - ubuntu switching to unity, requiring *a lot* of content to be rewritten (or just written) by both teams | 00:20 |
| j1mc | - all of that content needs to be translated by a finite number of translators | 00:20 |
| dutchie | j1mc: before you get too carried away, can i suggest you write this up into a mailing list post and send it to both teams' mailing lists? better for people who aren't on irc now | 00:20 |
| nisshh | what dutchie said | 00:21 |
| j1mc | - there's some risk of documentation syntax fragmentation going on... a lot of different syntaxes are being introduced into the doc world, making it so that people have to learn multiple different workflows and syntaxes to contribute | 00:21 |
| nisshh | j1mc, there is an issue with doing this | 00:21 |
| nisshh | but i will reply to the ML post, not here | 00:21 |
| j1mc | dutchie: i understand, i will post it to the ml | 00:21 |
| j1mc | just wanted to bring it up on irc first, so that people didn't feel blindsided by the notion | 00:22 |
| nisshh | we wouldnt have | 00:22 |
| nisshh | its just discussion until a decision is made after all | 00:22 |
| j1mc | - another reason is that the gnome user docs (which are in ubutu) are being rewritten by gnome for gnome-shell, making much of the gnome user help of limited value to ubuntu | 00:23 |
| j1mc | nisshh: one of the key strengths of the manual team is in making the documentation look good... and you all have done some good work over the last couple of cycles. | 00:27 |
| j1mc | i think we could all benefit better if we worked together | 00:27 |
| j1mc | i will stop for now, though | 00:27 |
| j1mc | please just know that i'm not attempting to start flame wars about project differences. i'm just attempting to suggest something that might be helpful | 00:29 |
| godbyk | j1mc: There has been some discussion in the past about collaborating more with the docs and learning teams. | 00:30 |
| godbyk | Unfortunately, I think everyone got busy and the discussions have stalled out at the moment. | 00:31 |
| j1mc | godbyk: i know that the "learning center" might be a bit far off. i think we could combine efforts before then, though. | 00:32 |
| j1mc | for example, this doc is written in docbook for opensuse docs: http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse113/pdfdoc/art_osuse_installquick_113/art_osuse_installquick_113.pdf | 00:33 |
| j1mc | it looks nice | 00:33 |
| godbyk | There's more to it than simply the format. There's a difference in language and structure between writing a book and writing a wiki page or short tutorial. | 00:36 |
| nisshh | exactly | 00:36 |
| godbyk | I'm very interested in collaborating as much as possible. | 00:36 |
| nisshh | also | 00:36 |
| nisshh | the docs provide general info | 00:37 |
| nisshh | we do a lot of hand holding in the manual | 00:37 |
| godbyk | But it's not simply a matter of using the exact same text in both places. | 00:37 |
| nisshh | which would be tricky anyway | 00:37 |
| nisshh | considering the scope of the docs and manual are both different | 00:37 |
| godbyk | (Speaking to the issue of the source format: I would like to explore docbook more. I think the default docbook-to-pdf converters do a lousy job, but I suspect that's because no one's taken the time to write decent style sheets for the pdf/latex end of things.) | 00:38 |
| j1mc | that's a fair point, but there are ways to accommodate content re-use. | 00:38 |
| godbyk | j1mc: We're definitely interested in content re-use. It lightens the load for everyone. | 00:39 |
| j1mc | thanks for your time, all. i'll send a note out to the ML's about these items. | 00:43 |
| godbyk | Thanks, j1mc! | 00:43 |
| j1mc | :) | 00:43 |
| nisshh | cool | 00:46 |
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| nisshh | aquarius, do you think it would be worth it having a meeting concerning the developer manual later this cycle? | 12:03 |
| aquarius | nisshh, certainly | 12:06 |
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| nisshh | aquarius, right | 12:08 |
| nisshh | aquarius, btw, are you subscribed to the mailing list now? | 12:09 |
| aquarius | I am indeed | 12:09 |
| nisshh | cool | 12:09 |
| aquarius | although I have a batch of them marked unread so that I can read through in detail :) | 12:09 |
| nisshh | ok | 12:09 |
| nisshh | its the easiest way for me to announce meetings, etc, so its handy if everyone i need to contact is subscribed to the list | 12:10 |
| nisshh | holy moly | 12:38 |
| nisshh | i just got 15 mails from launchpad notifying me about 1 person who is updating ubuntu-manual bugs like crazy :) | 12:38 |
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