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paultagAny DDs around to review ( and upload if you're feeling rowdy ) a small package I maintain? It fixes two bugs, package is not in Testing, only Unstable.04:28
paultagMy mentor is out for a few weeks -- I put the dsc on my personal server ( that's how we usually work ) -- http://me.pault.ag/fbautostart_2.7182-2.dsc04:29
paultagpbuilds fine, ran lintian with --pedantic, came out great.04:29
persiaYou might also want to try #debian-ubuntu@OFTC04:29
paultagpersia, I don't like bugging them, seems like it's usually quiet in there, and I don't want to get everyone awake for such a small package :)04:30
persiaFolk read backscroll, and there's a greater concentration of DDs there than here :)04:31
persiaSince it's not -mentors, you won't even be repeating yourself04:31
paultagpersia, cool. Cheers, thanks04:31
dholbachgood morning!06:49
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hrwhi08:24
RhondaI guess it's fine to remove jaunty from wiki.ubuntu.com frontpage in the supported release section?08:54
* Rhonda . o O ( done )08:55
persiaRhonda, Indeed, it ought be fine to do so.09:12
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ari-tczewScottK: got a time today?11:41
ScottKProbably, but not for at least an hour.11:42
ari-tczewScottK: got a time today?12:02
RhondaThat were only 20 minutes.12:04
persiaIndeed.12:05
\shari-tczew: you queried me12:07
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ari-tczew\sh: that's right, I wanted to ask about depends on firefox | abrowser | www-browser, but chrisccoulson answered to me yesterday on mozilla team channel. The merge is here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wysihtml/0.13-5.1ubuntu112:14
ari-tczewRhonda: hmmm, I lost my internet connection 35 minutes ago. I didn't know whether my question has been sent.12:15
\shari-tczew: oh well, I'm not the right person for <insert your fav browser package here> ;)12:16
ari-tczew\sh: but you put this depends to package, so I would ask you.12:16
Rhondaari-tczew: That's what the irclogs are useful for, to check. :912:16
Rhondaari-tczew: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/03/%23ubuntu-motu.txt12:17
\shari-tczew: ah...that was long time ago..and actually, we are shipping firefox / mozilla foo instead of debians iceweasel/ape/snake/dog/foo ;)12:18
ari-tczewthanks Rhonda. probably I lost connection after my message. really 16/1 mbit is not enough? :)12:18
Laneydoesn't firefox Provide: iceweasel?12:18
\shLaney: in old times no...I think I touched it during gutsy cycle...so long time ago12:19
Laneyprobably makes more sense for it to provide abrowser anyway12:19
Rhonda\sh: It's not "debian's". The reason for the renaming was to unbrand it, not to debian-brand it.12:19
* Laney has thought about this not at all12:19
\shRhonda: yes..but regarding upstream of ubuntu == debian ;) that's what I wanted to say...:)12:20
persiaRhonda, While that was the rationale, has anyone else (excluding Debian derivatives) adopted that?12:20
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ScottKpersia: If others had it would then be an alternative brand, not an unbrand, so I think that's beside the point.12:23
persiaScottK, I agree it's beside the point of Debian rebranding it, but I think it may be the source of the perception that it is a Debian brand.12:25
Rhondapersia: Well, ubuntu did unbrand it to "abrowser" in the beginning, and I didn't follow what other distributions did.12:25
persiaAnd I ask out of genuine curiosity, rather than in an attempt to suggest Rhonda is misinformed (as this is clearly not the case)12:25
persia"abrowser" is still about, and suffers from the same issues (although because the patchset/branding for abrowser differs from that of iceweasel, they oughtn't have the same name)12:27
\shis someone firm with python setuptools and why it doesn't execute install_data action during install anymore, when you overwrite it with your own class?12:28
ScottKOK.  I read that as "the change Debian made" rather than Debian's brand.12:28
ScottK\sh: I think barry is your man for that question.12:28
directhexIceWeasel(tm)(r)12:28
\shScottK: thx :)12:29
ScottKari-tczew: What's up?12:30
persiadirecthex, Actually, precisely the opposite.12:30
ari-tczewScottK: could you take a look is package ttf-ubuntu-title mergeable?12:31
ScottKari-tczew: Do you have a proposed merge?  Last time I looked it made my head hurt.  It wasn't clear to me if Debian or Ubuntu had the correct source.12:31
ari-tczewScottK: No, I don't. I'm also confused what's going there.12:32
ScottKari-tczew: I think the first question is to establish what's the authoritative upstream for the package.  This will take a bit of detective work.12:32
ari-tczewmhm12:34
zesozehi where can I get help  for Makefile?13:00
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ari-tczewcrimsun: ping14:28
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ari-tczewDktrKranz: could you take a look on merge package hp-ppd - is it merge or sync?15:32
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DktrKranzari-tczew: hp-ppd is unmergeable, IIRC15:34
ari-tczewDktrKranz: due to versions in debian/changelog?15:34
DktrKranzexactly: dpkg --compare-versions 0.9-0.1 gt 0.9ubuntu2; echo $? => 115:36
DktrKranzand, IIRC, ubuntu2 alreaedy has the NMU included15:37
ari-tczewok thanks. I must report a bug against MoM - blacklist merges15:41
eolo999hi, how do i get a list of open bugs related to python packages?15:50
ScottKeolo999: Look for the ~pythonistas and ~pythoneers teams in Launchpad and the bug lists for each.15:51
eolo999thx15:52
eolo999;)15:52
eolo999ScottK: 2 bugs there (pythonistas+pythoneers), am I wrong?15:55
* ScottK looks15:55
eolo999ok found15:56
eolo999i have to list subscribed packages15:56
ScottKLooks like you have to do https://bugs.launchpad.net/~pythonistas/+packagebugs15:56
ScottKYes.15:56
bilalakhtarScottK: Are the ~python{istas,eers} subscribed to ALL python packages?15:58
ScottKbilalakhtar: No.  They are subscribed to the ones doko and myself noticed.  If some need adding, let me know.15:59
bilalakhtarokay15:59
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ari-tczewcjwatson: could you take a look, whether if you delete package hp-ppd, does MoM will regenerate again?17:10
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cjwatsonari-tczew: what's wrong with it?17:24
ari-tczewcjwatson: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/03/%23ubuntu-motu.html#t15:3217:25
ari-tczewdue to mistake versions in d/changelog. similiar case as with ilohamail17:25
cjwatsonI don't see why asking MoM to regenerate would make the slightest bit of difference17:26
cjwatsonperhaps I'm not understanding your question17:26
ari-tczewcjwatson: we can't merge this one. I want to hide it on MoM.17:27
ari-tczewcjwatson: and some packages needs hide as well17:27
cjwatsonthe bit of your question that confused me was "does MoM will regenerate again?"17:27
cjwatsonif your request is to get rid of hp-ppd from the merge list, then I can do that17:27
ari-tczewcjwatson: ya, so please do this :)17:28
cjwatsonin future, please file this sort of thing as a bug against merge-o-matic.  I think I already asked for this a couple of weeks ago17:28
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ari-tczewcjwatson: file a bug for every package?17:29
cjwatsonfile a bug for each action you wish a merge-o-matic admin to take17:30
ari-tczewcjwatson: hmm. or file a one bug for the same action. then updating bug for new action in this same case.17:31
cjwatsonthis means that it won't forever be bottlenecked on just me (while it's true that I'm the only active MoM admin right now, I'm sure that won't always be the case)17:31
cjwatsonone bug per action17:31
cjwatsonif you go around reopening bugs for updated actions then I'm guaranteed to get confused.17:32
cjwatsonand if you aggregate multiple things into the same bug then I'll probably end up picking a random subset of them to do17:32
ari-tczewcjwatson: hmm. I've noticed that you're tired working on MoM (or due to pings on you to MoM). sorry then.17:33
cjwatsonhuh?  no, I'm asking for you to use a more convenient form for reports so that I can process them more effectively17:33
cjwatsonI'm not tired of it17:33
cjwatsonI just don't want IRC to be the mechanism by which I'm asked for this sort of thing, because it will get lost17:34
ari-tczewcjwatson: I got the point. I'll report with list including a couple of packages to hide on MoM.17:34
cjwatsonand IRC forces me to make a choice between (a) interrupt whatever I'm doing to take the action or (b) forget about it, neither of which is ideal17:34
cjwatsonthank you17:34
cjwatsonI think I probably need to add a way to merge-blacklist a single version17:35
ari-tczewcjwatson: I just wanted to file a wish against MoM. [16:41] <ari-tczew> ok thanks. I must report a bug against MoM - blacklist merges17:36
cjwatsonotherwise you'll never find out about future Debian versions of hp-ppd17:36
cjwatsonthat would be Invalid, since it already has a way to blacklist merges17:36
cjwatsonwhat it doesn't have is a way to blacklist individual versions from merging17:36
ari-tczewcjwatson: hmmm. maybe should be created a separate department like - blacklist.hmtl17:37
ari-tczewhtml*17:37
cjwatsonif you want the merge-blacklist published, file a bug for that, sure17:37
ari-tczewcjwatson: then we won't loose informations about blacklisted merges17:38
cjwatsonoh, no, I'd rather just blacklist individual versions17:38
ari-tczewcjwatson: versions? but I'm afraid about: <cjwatson> otherwise you'll never find out about future Debian versions of hp-ppd17:39
cjwatsonthat's what blacklisting individual versions would fix17:39
cjwatsonI know what I mean :)17:39
ari-tczewcjwatson: mhm.... let's do this then.17:39
cjwatsonalready working on it17:39
ari-tczewcjwatson: so - report bug or not? ;)17:40
cjwatsonreport a bug please17:41
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xteejxHia ll21:54
xteejxHi all21:54
xteejxpackage threadscope FTBFS, build-dep on libghc6-ghc-events-dev, but its not in our repos. It is in unstable ??21:55
xteejxI mean it IS in unstable, can it be synced over?21:55
persiaxteejx, Try `rmadison -u debian ...`21:55
geserxteejx: or the PTS21:55
persiaCheck the NEW queue: it may already have been.21:55
xteejxpersia: How do I do that?21:55
micahgxteejx: it's in natty, might be in NEW21:55
persia( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue )21:55
xteejxahhh :) thanks21:56
xteejxpersia: Nope, not int eh queue21:56
xteejxnot in the *21:56
geserpublished 20 hours ago21:57
micahgxteejx: it's in natty, just needs to be given back then21:57
geserthe binaries21:57
xteejxgiven back??21:57
micahgxteejx: the build given back for another try to build21:57
geser"ask" the buildds to try again21:57
xteejxohhh is that done manually?21:57
persiaYeah, needs someone to press the button.21:58
geseryes21:58
* persia goes to press some buttons21:58
xteejxin that case, can I ask that threadscope be done too, its only the build-dep stopping it afai can see21:58
* geser points persia at ubuntu-build if he prefers to use a keyboard instead21:58
* xteejx points at a cow in the field ... is that it?21:59
* xteejx presses an udder......ummm that didn't seem to work!?21:59
persiageser, Thanks.  I'll try that next time.21:59
* micahg didn't know it was that easy22:00
persiaxteejx, threadscope given-back on all architectures22:00
persiamicahg, If something didn't build, and you have upload rights, a rebuild can be requested.22:00
xteejxpersia: Wow, either its easy or you work extremely fast, both are good ;) PS Thank you :)22:00
micahgpersia: that I know, I was just looking at ubuntu-build, it's real simple22:00
* persia usually encounters failure records from the ubuntuwire FTBFS page, so already has the buttons present22:00
* micahg is thinking to extend ubuntu-build for packagesets22:00
gesermicahg: give-back a whole packageset?22:01
persiamicahg, How so?22:01
micahggeser: no, just report on it22:01
persiaOh, that's a good idea.  Please do.  Remember that a package can be in an arbitrary number of packagesets22:02
micahgpersia: indeed, but it would be easier to see if any of the packages in my package set are FTBFS if there was a tool that just looked at those packages22:02
geserthat wouldn't be too hard to implement22:03
persiaErr, yeah.  And if I manage to pull off my MOTU hat, I can even see how that might be a good idea.22:03
geserperhaps I'll implement it when I find some time for coding (if micahg doesn't get it done before me)22:04
gesermicahg: can you file a wishlist bug for it?22:04
micahggeser: sure, I'll take a look at teh FTBFS page code this weekend and see if there's an easy way to select by packageset22:05
micahggeser: I think there should be 2 changes, 1. packagesets added to FTBFS page, 2.  Individual packageset lists22:07
gesermicahg: shouldn't be that hard, as ubuntu-build can already operate on a package list, you would just need to populate that package list from the packageset instead of the command line22:07
persiamicahg, For 1) do you mean a per-package list, or separations?22:08
micahggeser: and I can already do that with edit_acl.py in the u-a-t22:08
micahgpersia: just added to the list like the sponsorship queue22:08
persiaAh, that ought be fairly easy, indeed.22:09
gesermicahg: you mean an additional column with the package sets or seperates lists (like for main, universe, etc.) for the package sets? or would you prefer seperate pages for each package set?22:10
micahgmaybe I can even do it tonight on my way home22:10
micahggeser: additional column22:10
micahggeser: separate lists might be nice as well, but that can come later22:10
gesermight be hard to find the needed space for the additional column without making the other ones too narrow22:11
micahggeser: we used to have 3 more arches listed, I think I can make it fit ;)22:12
geserI was happy to be able to make some columns a little bit wider when some architectures got removed22:12
micahggeser: would you prefer listing by packageset instead of the current setup or as another page?22:12
gesermicahg: if I would be interested in one specific package set, I would prefer to have them in a seperate list (or even page) instead of searching for them in the whole list22:13
micahggeser: indeed, but if there's not included in this list, MOTUs might work on the packageset packages where the unseeded need love22:14
micahg*they're22:14
geserhmm22:16
micahggeser: where can I find the code for the FTBFS page?22:16
* micahg tried lp:ubuntuwire-website22:18
gesermicahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~geser/+junk/qa-ftbfs or follow the link at the end of the FTBFS page22:18
micahggeser: would you prefer a merge proposal or a diff?22:19
* geser didn't know of lp:ubuntuwire-website22:19
gesermicahg: merge proposal would probably be better to credit you but a diff works too (what's easier for you)22:20
micahgmerge is easier in this case22:20
geserI'm also thinking about replacing the genshi templates with jinja (or mako)22:21
micahgbzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for https://code.launchpad.net/~geser/%2Bjunk/qa-ftbfs/.bzr/branch-format: Unable to handle http code 405: expected 200 or 404 for full response.22:21
geserinteresting22:21
ajmitchthat's a bit odd22:22
geserjust tested "bzr branch lp:~geser/+junk/qa-ftbfs" myself and it worked for me22:23
ajmitchproxy breaking it?22:23
micahguser error :-/22:23
* micahg branched the URL instead of lp:22:24
persiaI don't think the source of the tools that happen to be hosted on ubuntuwire are really the same project as ubuntuwire-website.22:24
* ajmitch thought that worked, maybe it's only bazaar.lp.net urls that do22:24
gesermicahg: what about a column which contains only a checkmark if the package is part of a package set and display the packages sets in a tooltip for it? that wouldn't use that much space (additional to the table for each package set)22:29
persiaTrick there is immediate visual identification for packageset developers.22:33
persiaBut I agree it would be nice not to degrade the experience too much for MOTU (who are likely to be processing the bulk of the page anyway) to support the addition.22:34
geserpersia: for MOTUs is the mark that the package belongs also to a package set (which one can be seen in the tooltip) and for package set developers are the list with only their package set listed22:36
persiaOh, now that's a cool idea.  Yeah, with selection view, tooltip is completely sufficient.22:36
persiaAnd MOTU can use the presence in *any* packageset as a hint that it may not be a priority (as MOTU)22:37
ebroderHmm, dumb question, but is there a quick way to get a list of packages I'm TIL for?22:40
geservisit MoM and search for your name22:41
ebroderAh, cool. Looks like I'm off the hook for now :)22:41
ari-tczewebroder: or visit http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/merges.html and search your LP account name22:42
* ari-tczew is afraid about remaining merges in universe. Number can't fall down under 75 this week.22:44
persiaebroder, In general, if you don't have packages for which you feel you have special expertise that will make it easier to proceed (e.g. complex merge and you've been working with Debian to sort it, but it shouldn't be merged because there is an upload to experimental that would be a sync expected next week), don't worry about being TIL.  Someone who needs the update will poke you, or someone will just do the trivial merge post-DIF.22:44
ebroderpersia: Yeah, sure. I'm just trying to be more responsible this cycle than I was last one22:45
persiaari-tczew, The number of outstanding merges is not a useful metric, without a detailed understanding of the status of development on the Debian side for each package on the list.22:45
ari-tczewpersia: what do you mean? forwarding delta to Debian?22:45
persiaebroder, Focus on fixing bugs and being responsive to communication.  Everything else is process wash.22:45
persiaari-tczew, Unless you inspect each case in detail, you can't know things like whether the delta is already in Debian VCS, or there are pending uploads to experimental sitting in a team staging repo, or similar.  As a result, the raw number may have absolutely no relation to the work to be done.22:46
ari-tczewpersia: I always check whether delta is incorporated in Debian.22:47
ari-tczewand I don't understand why grabing changes from Debian is wrong.22:48
ari-tczewpersia: That's not like I don't cooperate with Debian. Lately I gained ace-of-penguins Ubuntu = Debian.22:48
persiaGrabbing changes from Debian isn't wrong.  It's impossible to know the state of delta incorporation for the vast majority of packages, as they don't have documented public pre-upload source availability.22:48
ari-tczewpersia: do you know how many changes in Ubuntu are not documented in detail? Looking on your POV, we should do nothing, because there are no details!22:51
persiaWhat?  I only said the number that appear in MoM is a useless statistic, not that we shouldn't do merges.22:52
ari-tczewpersia: okay I have upload access and let me go working, if I'm not doing anything critical.22:52
persiaYou are doing critical stuff.  Please keep doing so.22:54
ari-tczewpersia: we never will understand in this case22:55
* ScottK has mashed retry on all the powerpc FTBFS due to archive skew or the python2.7 FTBFS.22:56
ScottKpowerpc2 39 jobs (2 hours 10 minutes) <-- And it built a number already.22:57
ScottKari-tczew: He's not telling you not to do work.  He's just telling you not to worry about counting merges.22:57
ari-tczewScottK: ok22:58
persiaScottK, Thanks for the translation :)22:58
micahgScottK: PM?22:58
ScottKSure22:59
kklimonda_ScottK: the python-visual ftbfs will take some time so I've assigned it to myself for now. I have to get gtkmm updated first.23:01
ajmitchpython-visual broke again?23:01
ScottKkklimonda_: Thanks.23:01
ScottKajmitch: Needs a rebuild for boost transition, but the gdk-pixbuf .la file disappeared out from under it, so now it's untangling not caring about .la anymore.23:02
ajmitchas logn as I don't need to touch boost again...23:02
kklimonda_:D23:02
ScottKajmitch: I'm sure we can arrange something.23:03
kklimonda_ajmitch: next boost is on me ;)23:03
DktrKranzari-tczew: FYI, GNUstep transition complete, now it's just a matter of clearing NBS packages.23:03
kklimonda_(famous last words)23:03
persiakklimonda_, Brave words, but thanks!23:04
ScottKHalleluah (sp?)! A new Boost maintainer.23:05
* ScottK passes the torch.23:06
ebroderScottK: He said next boost, not all boosts :-P23:06
ScottKebroder: Then he's TIL so as long as the rest of us are careful ....23:06
ebroderHa!23:06
* persia kinda likes TIL being a level to force people to keep doing stuff rather than a blocker to other people doing stuff23:08
persias/level/lever/23:08
ScottKkklimonda_: Just let me know when you have stuff to review.23:10
xteejxvpb-driver has been updated in unstable, but doesn't appear on MoM, how come?23:42
Laneyit was only done today23:43
xteejxohh right, does it take a few days to update, and would it normally show that?23:44
DktrKranzxteejx: it won't be on mirrors in lesser than an hour and a half, you have to wait until then23:44
xteejxthats no prob, but it will show up right?23:45
Laneyyeah I usually give at least a day for Debian stuff to be visible to the Ubuntu tools23:45
xteejxoh ok, just wondered is all :) thank you23:45
Laneyif it's urgent then you can grab it from incoming/ftp.d.o directly sooner23:45
DktrKranz(already there)23:45
xteejxI'll have a look tomorrow, time for bed methinks23:45
xteejxnight all :)23:46

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