[10:26] <asac> fta: do you know if skia etc. all have the same contribution agreement?
[10:27] <asac> fta: do you have a URL for that text?
[14:39] <fta> asac, same contribution agreement? what do you mean?
[14:47] <asac> fta: chrome has contributor agreement to sign for patches to be landed, right?
[14:47] <asac> wonder if skia has something like that and if its the same text
[15:04] <fta> i think so but let me check
[15:13] <fta> asac, can't find anything, i'd say submit your patches to codereview
[15:13] <fta> you can also ask in the chromium dev m-l
[15:16] <asac> right thankx
[15:38] <fta> dpm, hi
[15:38] <dpm> hey fta, on the phone, I'll be back ~17:00
[15:39] <fta> dpm, ok
[15:40] <fta> just wanted to say that i'm not sure langpack-o-matic is welcome for chromium.. lang-packs must more at the same speed as the browser
[15:42] <fta> -more+move
[15:47] <dpm> fta, what do you mean with move? Do you mean language packs should be released with every chromium update?
[15:48] <fta> dpm, most of the time, yes. not sure what's in the .pak files beside the strings
[15:49] <fta> dpm, grit also does resources, C headers, js files, etc.
[15:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so abrowser is officially going then?
[15:50] <fta> also, that would be bad for people using ppa builds, far ahead of stable
[15:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not yet, we still need to provide it. but we will provide it from xulrunner instead
[15:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, we're going to build it on top of xulrunner then?
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah :)
[15:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok
[15:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: still no word back about the artwork
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that's ok, i might have found somebody to work on it
[15:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok
[16:02] <dpm> fta, hm, I cannot think of any easy alternative, other than manually exporting translations from LP on every chromium update, which would basically put more workload on the maintainer, i.e. you
[16:06] <fta> dpm, lp auto-exports to bzr daily. During get-orig-source, i fetch that export, and merge with the upstream templates (so i take only the strings needed for that build). so it's no additional work
[16:10] <fta> dpm, so far, i ship all the lang packs in a single dedicated deb (upstream ships that with the browser), but lots of users don't even know it exists. otoh, the reason i split it initially is that it's big (1.1M)
[16:11] <dpm> fta, what does the langpack deb contain, the .pack files for all available languages?
[16:12] <fta> dpm, http://paste.ubuntu.com/525139/
[16:12] <dpm> fta, ah, yeah
[16:15] <dpm> fta, if directly distributing the upstream translations with each package update seems a reasonable workflow to you and you think that standard Ubuntu language pack updates would be too slow for distributing the .pak files, then it sounds good to me.
[16:15] <dpm> but then again, my area of expertise is more on the translations themselves than on packaging workflow
[16:15] <fta> sure
[16:16] <fta> i don't plan to contribute strings upstream every day, only once in a while
[16:17] <fta> they can also grab the script and fetch everything themselves, i will let them know how once it starts rolling
[17:19] <hramrach> Hello
[17:19] <hramrach> How do I report bug on firefox4?
[17:19] <hramrach> launchpad refusees to accept them
[17:19] <hramrach> I'm running firefox4 on Debian and the Extensions page is broken.
[17:21] <hramrach> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=6797
[17:27] <hramrach> nothing works in it anyway
[18:00] <asac> chrisccoulson: do we do backports for tbird still?
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> asac - sort of
[18:00] <asac> chrisccoulson: what does that mean?
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> we still officially support TB2 for hardy and karmic
[18:00] <asac> chrisccoulson: but thats EOL upstream, right?
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> and we did a backport of the security issue last week
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's long dead upstream
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> but 3.0 has also just gone EOL, and we're not going to backport fixes to that for lucid
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> we're going to update lucid to 3.1 at the next point release
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> (in december)
[18:02] <asac> chrisccoulson: ack. thats the right decision
[18:02] <asac> chrisccoulson: hardy is EOL April 2011?
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> it is :)
[18:02] <asac> good
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> 2 releases gone in 1 month. that's fantastic :)
[18:02] <asac> so nothing to be too bothered about i guess
[18:02] <asac> yep
[18:03] <asac> dapper was unfortunately slightly shifted to june, so i never experienced that joy ;)
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[18:03] <asac> davidascher: ^^
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> i'll let you know what that's like in april!
[18:03] <asac> i can imagine the joy of pain flowing out of your bones
[18:03] <asac> only major version upgrades everywhere ;) ... what a lif
[18:03] <asac> e
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> lol
[18:03] <asac> you dont even need a job anymore i guess :-P
[18:04] <davidascher> asac: what?
[18:04] <asac> davidascher: just FYI .... read a few lines of background. basically is same what i said in chat
[18:04] <asac> backlog ;)
[18:04] <davidascher> right
[18:04] <asac> (background ... /me is really too much in front of a computer)
[18:06] <asac> ok i am on a call
[18:52] <debfx> chrisccoulson: any news on the firefox kde merge? :)
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> debfx, will be this week
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> i'm getting FF4 ready to upload now in time for b7
[18:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you want me to work on abrowser on top of xulrunner or were you going to do that?
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i don't mind, when do you think you'd have time to look at it?
[18:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is it higher priority than thunderbird daily branches?
[18:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I was going to try to get that done next week
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg - no, i'd get the thunderbird dailies done first
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> i don't want abrowser to block anything else really ;)
[19:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, so before the end of the month I should be able to get to that then
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> cool. i might do it before then if i get a chance
[19:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have to finish up the shell wrapper so we can upload thunderbird 3.1.x to lucid, I should be able to have that by mid next week
[19:01] <micahg> unless we need it sooner
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> i wouldn't mind getting it in there sooner. i've not had a chance to look at it yet though to figure out what we need to do
[19:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the script isn't too bad, it'll be the update testing that's time consuming
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to make these scripts simpler this week, by writing a more intelligent profile migrator :)
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> and hopefully avoid these issues where
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> although, that doesn't help us for lucid ;)
[19:06] <debfx> chrisccoulson: cool, when is the new beta going to be released?
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> debfx - "early november" is all i know. i've not looked at the remaining blockers though to know if that will happen
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> but it will be soon
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> and i want to get b7 in to natty ASAP :)
[19:08] <shirish> chrisccoulson: hi!
[19:09] <shirish> chrisccoulson: is b7 already out?
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> shirish, not yet
[19:10] <shirish> I have a query, I found an addon https-anywhere, the EFF people are behind it
[19:11] <shirish> has it been packaged or something within the ubuntu universe.
[19:11] <shirish> one way is to download the .xpi file from the site itself but would be nice if the mozillateam has packaged it or something
[19:11] <shirish> anybody have any idea?
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> we generally don't package extensions anymore, except in exceptional circumstances
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> they are a PITA to maintain
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> if they're easily installable with a xpi and don't contain binary components, there is no compelling reason to ship it in the archive
[19:13] <shirish> chrisccoulson: ah ok, I do understand the PITA comment
[19:13] <shirish> and I agree. I asked as I remembered about a year or more ago that was the norm.
[19:14] <shirish> chrisccoulson: very true. It was just it was the norm that's why I didn't download it and asked it.
[19:14] <shirish> chrisccoulson: any idea about chromium packaging, IIRC it was some people from this team that were also looking at the chromium browser packaging
[19:15] <chrisccoulson> that's fta ;)
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[19:16] <shirish> fta ?
[19:17] <fta> ?
[19:19] <shirish> what's fta?
[19:19] <fta> eh?
[19:20] <shirish> ah, that's name of a person
[19:20] <fta> it's me
[19:20] <shirish> fta: sorry, couldn't see that, I'm using ircci and it doesn't highlight names
[19:20] <shirish> fta: or have different colors for name.
[19:20] <micahg> fta: you ok with the new topic?
[19:21] <fta> micahg, i don't mind. it's confusing, but i'm used to it now
[19:22] <shirish> micahg: what are *Natty* Mozilla builds? What does Natty indicate here?
[19:22] <micahg> shirish: Natty is Maverick + 1
[19:24] <shirish> micahg: ah ok, apologies then, should have been updated about that.
[19:24] <shirish> the names the devs. come up with.
[19:25] <micahg> shirish: it's actually sabdfl that comes up with the names
[19:25] <shirish> I am guessing sabdfl is the name of our sublime dictator
[19:26] <micahg> !sabdfl | shirish
[19:26] <ubot2> shirish: Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[19:27] <shirish> micahg: thanx
[19:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: autogenerated control files, nice :)
[19:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll be borrowing that for Thunderbird :)
[19:36] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: xulrunner appmenu done yet?
[19:36] <jcastro> :)
[19:59] <fta> ok, i seriously doubt the rosetta bugs will get fixed any time soon. i guess i'll see if i can find workarounds
[21:05] <BUGabundo> evening