[00:01] ulysses: kdesvn uploaded! [00:01] your ninja powers continue to grow [00:01] ulysses: please send the patch to the kdesvn upstream author [00:08] ** testers needed for 4.5.3 on 10.10 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging [00:10] Riddell: I'll test when I get get home from date night with the wife tonight. [00:10] ooh, DarkwingDuck has a date [00:10] let us know if you get a snog at the end [00:10] Riddell: :D [00:10] hehehe [00:10] DarkwingDuck: I'd suggest that after a night out with one's wife, having testing software be on the TODO is some kind of a priority inversion. [00:11] ScottK: Nope, because she has some Unity testing to do :P [00:11] OK. That's double fail then, not a win. [00:11] LOL [00:12] I can't get her to use Kubuntu... [00:12] She is a stubborn one. [00:12] It's fine. [00:12] People should use what they prefer. [00:12] Agreed [00:12] Although, it was kinda cool today [00:12] The manager at Frys let me boot a Live USB onto the Lenovo IdeaPad today [00:13] Nice. [00:13] Although fundamentally if they work at Frys they're insane anyway. [00:13] I was kinda surprised. Everything worked out of the box and it has multi-touch support so... Around Christmas when i buy it I'll be able to test multi-touch software for KDE [00:33] Riddell: I'm interested. [00:34] e_t_: they're here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging [00:35] The repo marked "DON'T USE"? [00:36] e_t_: it's marked don't use because nobody has tested it yet [00:36] we need testers like yourself to test it then we can move it to the release PPA [00:38] I was kidding. [00:39] On a serious note, aptitude safe-upgrade shows 293 upgrades and 32 not upgraded. [00:40] I don't think safe-upgrade is what you want [00:40] Will it break? [00:42] no but there's a renamed library [00:42] and when I say "no" I mean, it works fine for me [00:42] How about I do the safe-upgrade, see if that works, then full-upgrade? [00:44] as you wish [00:46] Just don't reboot in the middle. [02:09] e_t_: how did you get on? [02:13] The packages for safe-upgrade just finished downloading a few minutes ago. That all went fine. I feel some trepidation about proceeding with the full-upgrade because it will remove 193 packages. Would I be able to add them back after? [02:14] what will it remove? [02:14] Riddell: e_t_ I just upgraded (using the standard apt dist-upgrade) with no issues [02:14] thanks claydoh [02:14] aptitiude can be too smart sometimes imo [02:15] I confirm. Apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't remove anything. [02:16] I've just gotten used to aptitude. [02:17] Or rather, it removes libweather-ion4a in favor of libweather-ion5. [02:18] e_t_: I have seen it only a few times, but sometimes aptitude offers some somewhat insane resolution at times :) [02:18] that's expected [02:19] Riddell: this is what aptitude wanted to do to me: http://pastebin.ca/1981212 [02:19] * claydoh secretly plots to steal his wifes super shiny new smartphone and put kde mobile on it [02:21] claydoh, what's the model of her phone? [02:21] rbelem: samsung fascinate android 2.1 [02:22] it is our first wirless phone [02:22] claydoh, hum... i'm not sure if kubuntu-mobile can run on it [02:23] OK. It looks like Ark, KCalc, kdeplasma-addons, kwalletmanager, sweeper, and kdeutils are holding back kde-standard and kde-full. [02:23] actualy we did have a motorola portfolio way back in the early '90's, but it had a corded handset :) [02:23] rbelem: s'ok, I woulld end up dead, or worse if i play with it [02:23] claydoh, do you know what is the processor? [02:23] * claydoh is jealous as he doesn't have one :( [02:24] Nevermind. Refreshing the package cache fixed my last comment. [02:25] * claydoh contemplates adding an droid incredible to her service plan - it would probably be able to replace my laptop [02:25] claydoh, i know that n900 is able to run [02:25] rbelem: n900's don't come free w/contract tho [02:26] :-( [02:26] Riddell: I'm all upgraded now. [02:27] e_t_: lovely [02:28] Is the updated kdepim in 4.5.3? [02:29] Riddell: only thing I see is the message indicator doesn't show kmail's icon or text, just a blank space [02:29] no way to tell if it is upgrade related just yet [02:30] claydoh: we don't have kmail turned on for message indicator by default [02:30] e_t_: no, kdepim is not updated yet [02:30] although if you already had it turned on it shouldn't change anything [02:30] kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.3 [02:30] but neither the message indicator nor kdepim are part of this upgrade so I doubt it's related [02:30] I had it there before, the place for it is there, no text or icon there tho [02:31] Someone on #kde suggested November 2 as the date for either a new beta or the release, so I wondered. I guess neither worked out. [02:33] it's back I shut down kontact and it is all good now [02:38] ah, JontheEchidna, care to cast your critical eye over http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdevelop-pg-qt ? [02:42] Riddell: sure [02:44] Riddell: there appears to be a debian-changes-0.9.0-0ubuntu1, don't know if that was intended [02:44] looks fine otherwise [02:45] hmm, good question [02:45] I'll look at it in the morning [02:45] thanks [02:45] you're welcome === emma_ is now known as emma [03:55] apachelogger: complain to lex ... [03:58] something is broken [03:58] kdebase-bin : Depends: libkfile4 (>= 4:4.5.3) but 4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu1~ppa2 is to be installed [03:58] Depends: libkio5 (>= 4:4.5.3) but 4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu1~ppa2 is to be installed [03:59] Riddell: ^ [04:04] ( upgrading from staging looks fine ) [04:04] i still see 4.5.2 packages :O === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [07:21] hmm, the 4.5.3 updates seems to bork stuff up here [07:21] wants to remove a lot of the base packages because of several missing dependencies [07:33] seems libkio5 and libkfile4 aren't upgradeabe [07:33] upgradable* [07:33] am I doing it wrong? [08:00] aptitude wants to upgrade 81 packages, install 1 new and remove 1. I didn't hit OK though. [08:05] apt-get wants this: 52 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 19 to remove and 15 not upgraded. KPackageKit only mentions 52 upgrades. (Why don't they do they same?). Anyway, it doesn't look like accepting the apt-get proposal will lead to a stable situation. [08:32] is the 4.5.3 update safe? working well? [08:32] * markey heard about some issues === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [08:43] shadeslayer: I thought you did koffice? [08:43] ... [08:43] eitherway [08:43] clearly we did not discuss QA enough at UDS [08:43] -.- [09:28] moin [09:29] I see that libraries transition in kde land is done with 4.5.3 by return to old names [09:35] Riddell: I opened a ticket in the bug tracker of kdesvn, but I can't see it now [09:41] ops. had kubuntu ppa enabled [09:43] btw - is there a page which lists which kde components are in which versions in natty? [09:46] nope [09:46] hrw: what do you mean by components? [09:47] kdebase 4.5.3-0 | kdelibs5 4.5.3-0 etc [09:47] apachelogger: kde source packages [09:48] hrw: all whatever kde4libs is (well, except for kdepim that one is stuck on 4.4.something) [09:49] thx [09:49] also excluding minor differences such as a/b/c... suffixes [10:33] ahoy folks, just fyi bug 670788 [10:33] Launchpad bug 670788 in Kubuntu PPA "Updating KDE 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3 in Kubuntu 10.10 requires removal of necessary packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670788 [10:40] anyone know about bug 670788 ? [10:40] Launchpad bug 670788 in Kubuntu PPA "Updating KDE 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3 in Kubuntu 10.10 requires removal of necessary packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670788 [10:43] i'd add the output of `aptitude -vs full-upgrade` to that bug report, just in case it isn't obvious what's missing from the ppa === davidbarth is now known as dbarth [10:56] I installed ktechlab on Lucid, and didn't get bug 661580, can I close it? [10:56] Launchpad bug 661580 in ktechlab (Ubuntu) "package ktechlab (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/actions/dbgstepout.png', which is also in package kontrollerlab 0:0.8.0beta1-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661580 [11:33] nigelb, geekosopher, al: kde4libs failed to copy over to the PPA. Now copied and will be published in a minute. Sorry for the hassle. [11:35] ulysses: you should ask where kontrollerlab comes from, we don't have it in the archives === muesli_ is now known as muesli [11:48] Riddell: great, tks [11:57] Riddell: kontrollerlab is a free AVR IDE, it comes from sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kontrollerlab/ [12:08] not bug on our end [12:10] mark as invalid, and close? kontrollerlab last update was two years ago, for Gutsy… which is also abandoned [12:10] aye [12:10] invalid on launchpad eitherway [12:14] persia: should we create a proper spec for the address book thingy? [12:16] I think specs are only useful if they help workflow. So, if you think we need a good way to properly document requirements and concerns, or if you want to document work to be done, sure. Otherwise, little point. [12:17] * persia has discovered that using specs to track fun projects ends up being more trouble than benefit [12:21] maybe an informal spec then. I really think we should at least write down requirements and concerns [12:26] * apachelogger wonders why some people need to use all animation features powerpoint got, in one single presentation... -.- [12:30] apachelogger: trying to show 'advanced' powerpoint skillz ^-^ [12:35] it is madness, I tell you [12:40] apachelogger: the true sign of an expert is to use content rather than effects. Its too distracting. [12:43] * apachelogger just wants pictures of kittens [12:44] moar distracting :p === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [12:55] rbelem: going to http://community.kde.org/KDE_e.V./Sprints/KDEMobile-2010 ? [12:56] Riddell: PPA again cool as always, thanks! :) [12:56] geekosopher: thanks for testing. sorry about the mess up [12:57] Riddell, i dont know, but i would to go :-) [12:57] Riddell: what should the guys do who got their systems fried up? would the normal apt-get upgrade work? [12:58] geekosopher: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [12:58] * geekosopher thinks 'fried up' was an exaggreration [12:58] Riddell, do you know if is there sponsorship? [12:58] Riddell: ok, thanks again :) [12:58] "fried up" is a perfectly good term for people that are lost when they're dropped to the shell and not inside X anymore [12:59] zegenie_: hehe [13:00] I would be fine, but several of my shell-impaired coworkers would scream and reinstall immediately ;) [13:00] rbelem: you can ask KDE e.V. [13:02] Riddell, hum... i just notice that the date is closer to my baby birth :-) [13:02] rbelem: bring the baby with you! [13:03] eheheh [13:03] Riddell, but he is still inside his mother belly [13:03] :-D [13:04] even better, you won't need to pay for an extra seat on the aeroplane [13:05] Riddell, :-D [13:07] Riddell, i discovered why kubuntu-mobile was so slow on n900 [13:08] oh? [13:08] Riddell, i was using an micro sd class 2, the most slow :-( [13:08] ah [13:09] I just bought a class 10 for ebay [13:09] * rbelem needs to wait half month until it arrives :-( [13:18] oh dear [13:18] I want mobile!!! [13:18] on that note, I find netbook way too slow too [13:19] apachelogger, on that arm netbook? [13:19] nah, on a regular netbook [13:19] or maybe in general even [13:19] KDE IS TOO FAT! [13:20] * apachelogger blames it all on mysql though [13:20] anyhow -> break [13:20] interesting [13:20] my lock widget thing does not work [13:20] * apachelogger finds that supremely interesting and shall investigate later on [13:21] apachelogger, yup! akonadi and nepomuk are performance killers :-( [13:22] apachelogger, i had to remove them to get kubuntu-mobile usable [13:22] even my desktop [13:23] apachelogger, we need to check the KDEDIRS loading time too [13:24] apachelogger, Riddell, ScottK, http://ervin.ipsquad.net/2010/11/04/kde-platform-profiles-help-me-help-you/ [13:28] rbelem: interesting [13:33] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [13:33] <_Groo_> is jonathan around? [13:34] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping [13:39] <_Groo_> kdeutils is missing in action the kubuntu-ppa, is it being uploaded? [13:42] _Groo_: let me check [13:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: k tks :) [13:44] <_Groo_> kdemultimedia, utils, network and plasma-addons to be correct i believe are missing [13:44] <_Groo_> kdepimlibs too [13:47] Riddell, how could we avoid these profiles? I think that it would be nice if we book a chat with him and discuss this === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth [13:53] rbelem: why avoid? [13:54] Riddell, because we have to had many different build for kdelibs [13:56] well we avoid it by not using it [13:56] the question is if we want to make it available for people who do want to use it [13:56] in which case we'd have to work out how to build kdelibs twice [13:57] Well, also, what sort of issues will be encountered if many applications decide to use it? What essential functions are lost? [13:59] it just removes depreated parts of the APIs, so they'll either not compile and need a bit of porting or they'll work fine [13:59] Riddell, it would be much better to have kdelibs built with mobile profile for kubuntu-mobile, but is there a way to have this benefit without need another build of the kdelibs? [13:59] rbelem: it will need another build of kdelibs [13:59] persia, that's a good point [14:01] Riddell, do you think it is ok have kdelibs and kdelibs-mobile? if you are ok with this i think that we do not need to discuss this futher :-) [14:02] persia, that is the point that ervin talks about in his blog post [14:02] rbelem: ideally we would have one source package kde4libs which builds twice and produces two of each binary package [14:02] persia, http://ervin.ipsquad.net/2010/11/04/kde-platform-profiles-help-me-help-you/ [14:02] that requires some fancy debian/rules though [14:03] Riddell, will we have libs with same name? maybe we need to take a look on that [14:05] the binary packages will be libkio5-mobile or similar [14:06] cool [14:06] Riddell, will them conflict between themselves? [14:06] yes, or maybe install into a different prefix [14:09] Riddell, i think that install on different prefixes are better, so we will not lose some software [14:16] _Groo_: fixed now, sorry for the hassle [14:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: no hassle :D i know you guys have tons of things to do [14:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw someone needs to fix the kwebkit control file, its still broken [14:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: its missing a ~ and cant install correctly with latest kde [14:26] <_Groo_> not kwebkit per se, but the -dev part [14:27] _Groo_: debdiffs welcome :) [14:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: for a ~ change? :D [14:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: let me see exactly wheres the issue [14:40] maco: do you have the bug number for the qt file dialogue on gnome issue? [14:44] Riddell hey [14:44] Riddell i'm sorry, i can't write that page today :( [14:44] maybe someone else could? === sheytan_ is now known as sheytan [14:45] sheytan: no rush [14:46] Riddell, k, if not me, i'll find someone :) [14:46] Riddell, btw there's a untrusted package when try to upgrade to 4.5.3. Is that known? [14:47] you probably haven't imported the PPA key? [14:48] Riddell Launchpad Kubuntu updates? [14:48] name of the key [14:49] yes [14:50] Riddell i've got that one [14:55] Riddell i readded the ppa with key and works now :) [14:55] brb [15:12] ScottK: no boost changes planned in natty? [15:18] hello jcgs [15:20] Riddell: ummm.... i'll have to look for one. i saw it mentioned and debugged in a comment on mdz's blog [15:23] hi Riddell, just came out of stand by, so wasn't expecting a greeting :) [15:31] ScottK: can you lock the netbooky? [15:31] * apachelogger has no krunner running -> no locking [15:41] Riddell: No boost changes planned. [15:42] apachelogger: What do you mean by lock? Screen locking works. [15:42] odd, then maybe my system is the broken [15:44] apachelogger: it does require krunner to be running I believe [15:48] ScottK: ah, but does screen-UN-locking work? [15:49] maco: AFAIK, yes. I didn't re-set up my netbook since Martin got done playing with it at UDS, so I can't try it directly at the moment. [15:49] i still dont know why 2 of my laptops are able to unlock and the other isnt [15:50] Differential solar flare exposure. [15:51] Riddell: yes, but my system does not start krunner for some reason [15:52] Quintasan: How is the python3 stuff coming for whichever package you were working on? [15:53] wrote several simple Java programs today \o/ [15:53] :O [15:54] * apachelogger pokes jussi in the ear [15:54] Isn't that a bit oxymoronic (simple and java)? [15:54] lolo [15:54] it was first "Intro to programming class" [15:56] if anyone sees darkwing duck, get him to grab me please? [15:56] <\sh> s/java/python/ is simple [15:56] \sh: ssshhhh [15:56] Im just learning :) [15:57] s/python/ruby [15:57] <\sh> jussi: I'm not a java pro too, but I can speak better java then some of our java devs ;) [15:57] hehe [15:59] <\sh> anyways, I just implemented an asynchronous CA tool in python, with rabbitmq, pyopenssl and python-carrot now I still need to write asap my puppet worker, which will receive all created hostcerts and then I'm ready to rock...(dc)² is in it's alpha state rock [16:00] \sh: nice work! [16:00] don't bring that weak java stuff in here :p [16:01] shtylman: its a stepping stone! be nice! [16:02] shtylman wasn't being mean. He was being accurate. [16:02] :) [16:04] so apparently this is fixed in 4.5 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/+bug/590088 ...how do you recommend the fixy commit be hunted down? [16:04] Launchpad bug 590088 in soprano (Ubuntu) "nepomukservices[2448]: segfaults error 4 in libsoprano.so.4.3.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:18] maco: If it's fixed in 4.5, it's not a soprano bug. [16:18] oh? [16:18] Soprano isn't released as part of the KDE SC. [16:19] was a new libsoprano released in the last 6 months? [16:19] No idea, but that would be the first thing I'd check. [16:39] What is this "10.10 Release Candidate" that's spoken of here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.3 [16:41] ScottK: fixed [16:41] Riddell: Thanks. [16:42] OMGIH [16:42] startkde has the ugly code [16:43] also I should do my calculus homework [16:43] oh dear oh dear === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [16:49] CDROM=`lshal | grep "storage.drive_type = 'cdrom'" | awk '{print $3}' | sed "s,',," | sed "s,',,"` [16:49] Riddell: something tells me the same could be done with solid [16:49] isn't bash great? [16:49] ultimately also without awk and seddddddd [16:49] startkde runs before kdelibs is loaded [16:50] Since it's starting KDE ... [16:50] (sound rimshot) [16:50] Riddell: at the time you do the check kdelibs is in memory already [16:51] unless the user turned off the splash screen that is [16:51] oh [16:51] kstartupconfig4 also loads it apparently [16:51] * apachelogger finds that odd though [16:52] splash screen doesn't use kdelibs [16:52] Riddell: well, it certainly links against it... [16:52] ldd /usr/bin/ksplashx | grep kde says it doesn't [16:53] oddness [16:53] oh [16:53] ah [16:53] ! [16:53] konsole on top konsole, aint no good [16:53] nevermind me [16:54] oh [16:55] here is a thought [16:55] Riddell: how about only detecting this once? [16:55] as it is the whole netbook if stuff will be executed at every start for no good reason [16:59] apachelogger: yes that would be good [16:59] And that may be why valorie's netbook was reverting to the shell she didn't want before it died. [17:00] but you need to work out how to save that in the relevant autostart files [17:16] hmm, debhelper has some new svg tool that requires valid xml namespaces [17:16] this is going to be troublesome [17:18] heh === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:43] ulysses: ping [18:08] # If the session should be locked from the start (locked autologin), [18:08] # lock now and do the rest of the KDE startup underneath the locker. [18:08] if test -n "$dl"; then [18:08] kwrapper4 kscreenlocker --forcelock & [18:08] startkde is so full of crap!!!!! [18:08] no wonder kde startup takes a billion years!!!! [18:09] this is outragous [18:11] rbelem: from a purely scientific pov it would be interesting if a c or c++ version of startkde would be signifcantly faster [18:11] * apachelogger doubts it, though one never knows [18:12] lol... locked startup [18:12] apachelogger, let's try write one :-) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:22] * apachelogger thinks that one could only optimize ksmserver and greater [18:22] startkde, even though an obvious target does not leave much space for improvement [18:22] More important is what's started and in what order. [18:24] apachelogger: I've got boot charts for my laptop going back as far as Jaunty if you want data. [18:25] oh [18:25] also bashism [18:25] \o/ [18:25] slipped through review [18:25] ScottK: that would be cool, though bootchart only monitored until kdm I think [18:25] rbelem: in sh there is no == [18:25] only = [18:26] which is either assignment or evaluation depending on context [18:26] hunrum :-( [18:30] apachelogger: Shows plenty of KDE stuff. Here's the most recent http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/scott-laptop-maverick-20101030-2.png [18:34] apachelogger: If you decide more such would be useful, let me know. [18:35] bootchart!! woooo [18:35] real 0m2.058s [18:35] wow [18:35] that is only until it gets to ksmserver [18:35] on a warm start! [18:35] apachelogger: pong [18:36] yes [18:36] kde is slow [18:36] ulysses: oxygen nuno is looking for a minion ^^ [18:37] apachelogger: not today, I go out, and I have a task from Riddell to package UPnP Mediaserver KIOslave first [18:38] apachelogger, try commenting the KDEDIRS [18:39] that stuff is not kicking in for me [18:39] apachelogger, or using just kubuntu-mobile or kubuntu-netbook default settings dir in the KDEDIRS [18:40] apachelogger, who takes care of run KDEDIRS desktop files? [18:40] do you know [18:40] ? [18:41] uhm [18:41] uhmmmmmmm [18:41] LD_BIND_NOW=true /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/start_kdeinit_wrapper +kcminit_startup [18:42] that thing is almost only responsible for the 2 seconds time to ksmserver [18:42] before and after that only marginal time gets spent [18:42] rbelem: what desktop files? [18:45] apachelogger, sorry. I did not mean desktop [18:45] i mean confi files [18:45] :-D [18:46] apachelogger, /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/ [18:46] kcminit_startup makes about 0.3 seconds of the overall increase caused by that line [18:47] * apachelogger notes that the speedup from this better be worth the 1.5 seconds [18:47] rbelem: why would one run a config? [18:48] hihihi [18:49] 0.6 seconds to ksmserver :D === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [18:53] apachelogger, by the KDEDIRS line? [18:54] rbelem: I am not following [18:58] hm [18:58] * apachelogger waves with fist [18:58] stupid akonadi [19:01] oh my god [19:01] 7 seconds to desktop [19:01] also I still should be doing calculus homework [19:01] oh my [19:04] apachelogger hey :D [19:04] apachelogger something that can make your wordpress wish a bit http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3125/ffheader.png :D [19:06] naeh [19:06] doesnt fit in :P [19:06] apachelogger but it's pink :D [19:06] no [19:06] its aubergine [19:06] Riddell page is almost done :) [19:07] apachelogger, do you know why libqt4-multimedia is not in archives? [19:08] apachelogger how about now http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3125/ffheader.png :D [19:08] rbelem: because it is crap [19:08] also it got renamed [19:08] and moved [19:08] breaking ABI, API and good manners all at once [19:08] apachelogger, what is it called now? [19:09] brisbane knows how to piss off tao programmers right there [19:09] rbelem: something with multimediakit [19:09] !find multimediakit [19:09] Found: libqtmultimediakit1 [19:11] Riddell http://ryrych.pl/null/kubuntu/kubu.html [19:12] apachelogger, but libqtmultimediakit1 is part of qtmobility [19:12] rbelem: because it is crap [19:12] also it got renamed [19:12] and moved [19:12] that would be the moved part [19:12] the rnamed part would be multimedia -> multimediakit [19:12] hahaha :-D [19:12] and the crap part is it being it [19:13] rbelem: what business do you have with this bugger? [19:13] sheytan: that looks funny in rekonq [19:13] apachelogger, some stuff that i'm working on [19:13] also I greatly dislike the 64bit stuff being same size as 32bit [19:13] apachelogger it's not done. those red lines (if you see them) are only to help :) [19:14] @job [19:14] rbelem: use phonon!!! [19:14] sheytan: there is more funnyness about it [19:14] apachelogger may i have a sshot? :D [19:15] apachelogger, hum... i think i will start using it [19:15] apachelogger, thx dude :-) [19:16] *nod* [19:16] markey: ^ phonon has a naming problem [19:16] hm? :) [19:16] google qt multimedia [19:16] you get [19:16] QtMultimedia [19:16]