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[00:09] <Riddell> ** testers needed for 4.5.3 on 10.10
[00:25] <e_t_> Riddell: packages or source/compile?
[00:31] <Riddell> e_t_: packages
[00:31] <Riddell> join #kubuntu-devel if interested
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[01:30] <mikesplace> hey guys, my kubuntus been drinkin`.. I rebooted my box I input my username and password and it blinked red as if i put the wrong password in the field, when I try to login via console everything works ok
[01:32] <mikesplace> hey guys, my kubuntus been drinkin`.. I rebooted my box I input my username and password and it blinked red as if i put the wrong password in the field, when I try to login via console everything works ok
[02:28] <DeliriumTremens> where is the wallpaper setting?  Not under Desktop, as I imagined it would be.
[02:34] <moetunes> right click anywhere on the desktop
[03:11] <davesnothere_> anyone here who might be able to assist with a wireless card issue?
[03:19] <e_t_> davesnothere: that rather depends on the wireless card issue. If it's on fire, we can't help with that ;)
[03:35] <davesnothere_> e_t_ I actually think I may have figured it out myself.
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[04:11] <sinthetek> i was hoping to obtain some help with my three main issues (which seem to be kind of a pain to google).
[04:13] <sinthetek> First, for some reason kdm seems to crash any time i logout. Second, my mic doesn't seem to work and i'm not sure how to debug it or where the source of the problem is (it's unmuted in alsamixer, plugging in an external mic doesn't work and output works fine). Finally, i cannot control brightness and most of my fn keys don't seem to work
[04:15] <sinthetek> all of these are relatively minor issues that i can live with but i was hoping to resolve at least a couple (primarily the mic and kdm problem)
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[04:21] <claydoh> sinthetek: for the mic problem, try installing pavucontrol (assuming you are running 10.10 Maverick), it provides a better control for pulseaudio and devices
[04:22] <claydoh> sinthetek: the brightness issue might be specific to your hardware
[04:22] <claydoh> but I don't know what that is ;)
[04:23] <claydoh> sinthetek: and as to the kdm crash on logout, I remember  a bugreport on this, will look and see if I can locate it
[04:28] <claydoh> sinthetek:  bug 642671 and bug 651294
[04:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 642671 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[Maverick beta] Xorg crash at KDE logout (dup-of: 651294)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642671
[04:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 651294 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "X crash on KDM logout (still - yes, really)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651294
[04:41] <sinthetek> claydoh: thanks for the pavucontrol suggestion. i'll try it out now
[04:42] <sinthetek> as for brightness, i saw forum posts on it before and found out i could adjust it with fn from bios, hence it not bugging me too much atm :P
[04:42] <Neurotrophin> What's the package name for get apache rewrite engine?
[04:43] <sinthetek> kdm: i saw a bug report but it was from a few weeks ago. i assumed they [thought they?] fixed it and i might be experiencing a different bug
[04:44] <sinthetek> Neurotrophin: libapache2-mod-proxy-html - Apache2 filter module for HTML links rewriting
[04:44] <sinthetek> is that it?
[04:45] <Neurotrophin> nope..
[04:45] <Neurotrophin> there's one enabling to put rewrite rules in .htaccess files or in apache config..
[04:45] <Neurotrophin> that looks like a proxy thingy
[04:45] <sinthetek> just checking. i never messed with rewrites much (or apache on debian/ubuntu for that matter)
[04:46] <sinthetek> yeah, i know but i figured since rewrites are often used for some sort of proxying (in one sense or another) that might be it
[04:46] <sinthetek> anyway, sorry if i was mistaken
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[05:23] <k0s> Здрав
[05:25] <k0s> 123
[05:25] <k0s> help
[05:33] <moetunes> k0s:  you need to say what you need help with ...
[05:34] <k0s> sank u
[05:35] <k0s> is it who
[05:37] <sresu> Good to know about muon package manager inclusion in Maverick but does it give information about the memory of packages being installed?
[05:54] <weecol> guys
[05:55]  * weecol want code to read
[05:56] <weecol> where to start reading to re aqwaint with old skills
[05:58] <weecol> any guys need coding help
[06:21] <nocturna> Does anyone know if the kde 4.5.3 packages are broken atm? I did a dist-upgrade..and didn't realize it removed kdm, along with other packages.  I got stuck in a terminal..and couldn't get kubuntu-desktop installed. Gives me a broken packages error.
[06:22] <moetunes> nocturna:  you could try   sudo apt-get install -f
[06:23] <nocturna> Tried that, no such luck.
[06:23] <nocturna> My errors are mostly like:  Depends: libkfile4 (>= 4:4.5.3) but 4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu1~ppa2 is to be installed Looks like it's trying to install 4.5.2 or something weird.
[06:24] <moetunes> did you update before upgrading after adding the ppa?
[06:26] <nocturna> Yes, I believe so
[06:27] <moetunes> 4.5.3 was just released yesterday iirc
[06:28] <nocturna> Yeah..I'm thinking maybe something is missing in the repo. I installed ubuntu-desktop without a problem.
[06:29] <moetunes> urghh gnome
[06:29] <nocturna> moetunes: I agree ;(. Lol
[06:29] <noaXess> good morning
[06:29] <noaXess> is there any way to start two different folders, if i start dolphin in splitt mode?
[06:30] <sresu> How to find keyboard shortcuts in KDE?
[06:31] <nocturna> Ahh okay I got it, definitely is something with the ppa repo. I commented those out, and tried and it worked.
[06:32] <nocturna> Now I'm getting 4.5.1..but oh well o.o
[06:32] <sresu> !Shortcuts
[06:32] <ubottu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts.
[06:32] <sresu> !Shortcuts KDE
[06:33] <sresu> Ah-ok
[06:35] <Kalidarn> hmm if kubuntu updates is that going to mean my DBG packages don't work?
[06:37] <Kalidarn> hmm nocturna then i might wait
[06:37] <Kalidarn> before doing dist update :)
[06:37] <Kalidarn>  few days ;P
[06:38] <nocturna> Kalidarn: Yeah, that's what I'd do..to be safe.
[06:38] <nocturna> I may have done something wrong, but I don't think how I could have. Haha
[06:38] <nocturna> see*
[06:38] <sresu> Is there any command for locking screen like we have for shutdown in CLI?
[06:40] <nocturna> Google tells me qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock . You could try it.
[06:43] <sresu> Ok thanks
[06:44] <sresu> nocturna: Usually Ctrl+Alt+L licks the screen, that would be a keyboard shortcut. I was searching for one line command for locking screen
[06:44] <sresu> *locks
[07:13] <zegenie_> I'm pretty sure the kde sc 4.5.3 updates are not supposed to want to remove packages like plasma-desktop, kdeworkspace-bin and kubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <dog_> hi guys, i've a computer under a lan at home and i would like to connect to it using krfb on a computer at work. I've to create a vpn?
[07:47] <Kalidarn> true, i haven't upgraded yet zegenie_
[07:47] <Kalidarn> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:47] <Kalidarn>   kde-window-manager kdebase-apps kdebase-bin kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdepasswd kdeplasma-addons kdeplasma-addons-dbg kdm kinfocenter konqueror ksysguard kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts libplasmaclock4b plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-netbook plasma-wallpapers-addons plasma-widgets-addons
[07:47] <Kalidarn>   plasma-widgets-workspace rekonq
[07:47] <FloodBotK1> Kalidarn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:47] <zegenie_> same here
[07:47] <zegenie_> seems weird since the releaes announ
[07:47] <zegenie_> stupid enter key
[07:47] <Kalidarn> hmm
[07:48] <zegenie_> seems weird since the release announcement is out on kubuntu.org to have such obvious packaging bugs
[07:48] <Kalidarn> i am not updating because i'm concerned that it will break something
[07:48] <Kalidarn> yeah
[07:48] <Kalidarn> zegenie_: it will break it too
[07:48] <Kalidarn> [17:01:51] <nocturna> Ahh okay I got it, definitely is something with the ppa repo. I commented those out, and tried and it worked.
[07:49] <zegenie_> what ppa repo?
[07:49] <Kalidarn> [16:51:12] <nocturna> Does anyone know if the kde 4.5.3 packages are broken atm? I did a dist-upgrade..and didn't realize it removed kdm, along with other packages.  I got stuck in a terminal..and couldn't get kubuntu-desktop installed. Gives me a broken packages error.
[07:49] <zegenie_> exactly
[07:49] <Kalidarn> sounds like what would happen if you said yes to apt-get ;)
[07:49] <zegenie_> not something you'd want to do ;)
[07:49] <Kalidarn> so they're certainly broken
[07:49] <nebula> help
[07:49] <nebula> kdm:
[07:49] <nebula>   Depends: libkio5 (>=4:4.5.3) but 4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu1~ppa2 is to be installed
[07:49] <nebula>  Depends: libkworkspace4 but it is not going to be installed
[07:49] <FloodBotK1> nebula: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:49] <Kalidarn> lol :P someone just broke their system
[07:50] <Kalidarn> do not upgrade to the ppa at the moment, it seems to break things
[07:52] <nebula> 0_o
[07:54] <alvin> Hmm, I just arrived. aptitude full-upgrade isn't pretty today
[07:59] <alvin> Someone already filed bug 670788
[07:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 670788 in Kubuntu PPA "Updating KDE 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3 in Kubuntu 10.10 requires removal of necessary packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670788
[08:28] <bigbrovar> has anyone been able to  upgrade to kde 4.5.3 on kubuntu 10.10? I am getting some dependency errors when I try to upgrade http://pastebin.com/gKJjWzkQ
[08:30] <rapidsp> hi
[08:30] <rapidsp> tryed to install 4.5.3 - didnt install kdm... :)
[08:31] <rapidsp> anybody tryed this?
[08:32] <bigbrovar> rapidsp: I am getting some deps error too when I tried upgrading
[08:32] <bigbrovar> so I don't think u are alone http://pastebin.com/gKJjWzkQ
[08:34] <rapidsp> bigbrovar: ppa or backports? or both?
[08:35] <bigbrovar> I have just the kubuntu ppa enabled
[08:35] <bigbrovar> I don't have backport enabled
[08:35] <bigbrovar> rapidsp: .
[08:35] <rapidsp> ok... understand
[08:36] <rapidsp> do you know, how check updates for this?
[08:37] <nebula> http://img202.imageshack.us/i/screenshotwj.png/
[08:37] <nebula> help
[08:38] <nebula> bigbrovar,  help
[08:38] <nebula> help
[08:40] <rapidsp> nebula: i removed ppa, then manually reinstall pkgs by kubuntu-desktop deps, then installed kubuntu-desktop
[08:40] <rapidsp> now i have 4.5.1......
[08:41] <nebula> rapidsp,  ok
[08:42] <rapidsp> waiting for repos fix :)
[08:43] <bigbrovar> rapidsp: I didn't get that.
[08:43] <bigbrovar> u mean u reinstalled kubuntu-desktop? and that fixed the problem?
[08:43] <rapidsp> yea
[08:44] <bigbrovar> hmmm
[08:44] <rapidsp> but 4.5.1
[08:44] <bigbrovar> so its not a problem with the repo then?
[08:44] <bigbrovar> oh ok
[08:44] <bigbrovar> oh u mean u downgraded to 4.5.1
[08:44] <rapidsp> yes
[08:45] <bigbrovar> ahh that was after kdm could not install after u tried upgrading to 4.5.3
[08:45] <bigbrovar> get u now
[08:45] <bigbrovar> am just glad its a general problem and am not alone
[08:45] <rapidsp> )
[08:45] <nebula> kubuntu-desktop:
[08:45] <nebula>  Depends: kde-window-manager but it is not going to be installed
[08:45] <nebula>  Depends: kdebase-workspace-bin but it is not going to be installed
[08:45] <nebula>  Depends: ksysguard but it is not going to be installed
[08:45] <nebula>  Depends: plasma-desktop but it is not going to be installed
[08:45] <FloodBotK1> nebula: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:45] <nebula>  Depends: plasma-netbook but it is not going to be installed
[08:46] <rapidsp> heh
[08:46] <Kalidarn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/670788
[08:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 670788 in Kubuntu PPA "Updating KDE 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3 in Kubuntu 10.10 requires removal of necessary packages" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:47] <alvin> bug 670784
[08:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 670784 in Kubuntu PPA "Desktop environment does not load after KDE SC 4.5.3 update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670784
[08:47] <Kalidarn> aren't they duplicates alvin
[08:48] <alvin> Kalidarn: No, but you could see them as duplicates because the first bug is the cause of the problems in the second bug.
[08:48] <Kalidarn> true.
[08:49] <Kalidarn> i hope they're fixed soon
[08:49] <alvin> Different solutions will apply for both bugs
[08:49] <bigbrovar> great misery loves company :)
[08:49] <Kalidarn> for now i'm staying on 4.5.2 :P till they are cleared
[08:49] <Kalidarn> im soo lucky i didn't upgrade :P
[08:49] <Kalidarn> i had begun to
[08:50] <bigbrovar> Kalidarn: yeah but that would still give some problems if u want to install some kde packages
[08:50] <alvin> If I see 2 pages of output from aptitude it's a 'no'.
[08:50] <bigbrovar> as it stands kubuntu repo is kinda broken cus apt has tasted new packages and would reply on the newer libraries
[08:50] <Kalidarn> bigbrovar: that's good point actually
[08:51] <bigbrovar> rely*
[08:51] <Kalidarn> fortunately i've installed all of KDE :P
[08:51] <Kalidarn> including dbg
[08:51] <rapidsp> i confirmed :)
[08:52] <Kalidarn> i guess though anyone on a production system should not be using ppa :)
[08:52] <Kalidarn> not unless they have a spare computer
[08:52] <Kalidarn> for doing their work on
[08:53] <alvin> That's a pity, because the ppa's are mainly monthly bugfixes in the case of KDE
[08:54] <alvin> KDE 4.5.3 has no new features
[08:54] <Kalidarn> yeah
[08:54] <Kalidarn> im sure there will be a fix soon
[08:54] <Kalidarn> its usually why i don't upgrade 0day :P
[08:54] <Kalidarn> i wait a couple of days
[09:18] <illunatic> anyone know how to get the pid using a udp port?
[09:18] <illunatic> to find which process is connecting on that port
[09:19] <illunatic> oops meant for OT
[09:20] <geraldrhawk> hello all
[09:21] <geraldrhawk> k,khkjh
[09:21] <naftilos76> hi i just tried to upgrade to KDE 4.5.2 from ppa and kpackagekit did obviously something nasty and i am now in a konsole. Packages of  KDE were removed. I tried doing 'sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop' and tried installing it again but i keep getting messages like: Following packages have unsolved dependencies (translation fm my lang) and starts fm 'kubuntu-desktop' saying : Depends on ark but will not be installed and keeps saying that
[09:21] <naftilos76>  for lots of other pkgs.
[09:22] <geekosopher> updating to 4.5.3 from kubuntu-ppa requires removal of kubuntu-desktop, plasma-desktop, kde-window-manager, and such other 17 (important) packages - will it be safe to upgrade?
[09:22] <geraldrhawk> dam... that is crazy...
[09:22] <alvin> naftilos76: bug 670788 and bug 670784 Maybe someone can set those in the topic?
[09:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 670788 in Kubuntu PPA "Updating KDE 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3 in Kubuntu 10.10 requires removal of necessary packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670788
[09:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 670784 in Kubuntu PPA "Desktop environment does not load after KDE SC 4.5.3 update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670784
[09:23] <naftilos76> ok, what can i do now? is there a solution?
[09:24] <Kalidarn> ppa currently has broken packages
[09:24] <geekosopher> naftilos76: you confirmed my fears, its the 4.5.3 that it is trying to upgrade to which was released yesterday
[09:24] <Kalidarn> wait till fix, or go back to 4.5.1 is the only thing you can do
[09:24] <naftilos76> shall i search for pkgs that must be removed first and then do 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' ?
[09:24] <Kalidarn> afaik
[09:24] <Kalidarn> see the two bugs
[09:24] <naftilos76> i tried to upgrade to 4.5.3 not 4.5.2...sorry
[09:24] <Kalidarn> bug 670788 and bug 670784
[09:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 670788 in Kubuntu PPA "Updating KDE 4.5.1 -> 4.5.3 in Kubuntu 10.10 requires removal of necessary packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670788
[09:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 670784 in Kubuntu PPA "Desktop environment does not load after KDE SC 4.5.3 update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670784
[09:25] <geraldrhawk> that means 4.5.3 doesnt work...lol
[09:25] <Kalidarn> correct
[09:25] <Kalidarn> :P
[09:25] <Kalidarn> i hope they fix it soon
[09:25] <geraldrhawk> use 4.5.1... right?
[09:26] <Kalidarn> yeah
[09:26] <Kalidarn> make sure you remove the ppa from /etc/apt/source.d
[09:26] <Kalidarn> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ rather
[09:26] <naftilos76> can i force the installation of kubuntu-desktop 4.5.2?
[09:26] <Kalidarn> possibly but i don't know if that will work
[09:27] <geraldrhawk> using *ubuntustudio**...lol
[09:29] <geraldrhawk> had a hell of a time getting that to work w/ broadcom wifi... but go er done... :P
[09:29] <Kalidarn> i thought it was as simple as installing one package
[09:29] <Kalidarn> fwcutter for broadcom
[09:30] <geraldrhawk> yeah but when all u have is wireless internet had to go to brothers house to use ethernet internet...
[09:30] <Kalidarn> oh :P
[09:30] <Kalidarn> yeah
[09:31] <geraldrhawk> then dl drivers... then there is no network manager on this version...
[09:31] <Kalidarn> hmm
[09:31] <geraldrhawk> which is very sad indeed...
[09:31] <geraldrhawk> so i had to apt-get gnome-network-manager....
[09:32] <geraldrhawk> and it also didnt have ubuntu software package....
[09:32] <geraldrhawk> so had to manually get that as well...
[09:33] <geraldrhawk> other than that installing it on my laptop took 2 hours before all that craziness...
[09:33] <geraldrhawk> found out that it refuses to boot live from a USB...
[09:33] <geraldrhawk> so had to use k3b to make a dam disk before i did all that too....LOL
[09:34] <naftilos76> how do i uninstall all pkgs that were install from ppa? that way i can go back to KDE 4.5.1...
[09:34] <naftilos76> anyone?
[09:34] <naftilos76> can i do that with a single command?
[09:36] <geraldrhawk> i am not sure myself how to do that one in terminal.... always used software center to uninstall... prob should learn tho
[09:38] <geraldrhawk> i will get the info 4 u if no-one else responds...
[09:38] <naftilos76> dpkg could probably do that
[09:38] <naftilos76> i will see the man page
[09:38] <geekosopher> does kpackagekit reconfirm (after cliking apply) while upgrading packages especially if it involves removal of some packages? Atleast the initial screen listing the packages to be upgraded does not warn about removal of packages
[09:39] <geekosopher> naftilos76: i guess you can tell
[09:40] <geraldrhawk> guess its as simple as: sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[09:42] <Peace-> #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:43] <bigbrovar> naftilos76: yeah u can use a tool call ppa-purge
[09:43] <bigbrovar> u have to install it though
[09:44] <bigbrovar> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[09:44] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: cool tool!
[09:45] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: thanks for that info :)
[09:45] <bigbrovar> and to go back to kde 4.5.1 packages which are the officially supported packages for 10.10. just do "ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa"
[09:46] <bigbrovar> without the quotes of cause
[09:46] <naftilos76> geekosopher: the solution was => sudo dpkg -r $(dpkg -l | grep 4.5.3 | grepp ii)
[09:47] <bigbrovar> this would disable the kubuntu-ppa repo and downgarde all its packages back to official repo packages (i.e kde 4.5.1)
[09:47] <geekosopher> naftilos76: did that work? are you back to 4.5.1?
[09:48] <bigbrovar> someone whosuld remove the infor about the upgrade from kubuntu.org or add a caveat
[09:48] <naftilos76> of course not it just removed 4.5.3 packages
[09:48] <bigbrovar> so as not to mislead people unaware of the problem
[09:48] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: +1
[09:50] <geekosopher> naftilos76: anyways, what i actually wanted to know from you was, did you try upgrade using kpackagekit?
[09:52] <geraldrhawk> dum dum dum
[09:52] <Mamarok> geraldrhawk: behave, please!
[09:53] <geraldrhawk> i am being good...
[09:54] <naftilos76> yes unfortunately yes - i knew that kpackage is along way from being anything close to 'reliable' but i did it. I even tried 'sudo apt-get upgrade' in a konsole which as i remember indicated that it will remove lots of kde stuff but will update them accordingly. Dam kpackagekit indicated that it will only remove them! that was my mistake. There is a chance that if i upgraded through apt-get it would have worked...I think!
[09:55] <geraldrhawk> :P
[09:55] <geekosopher> naftilos76: thanks, just wanted to know that (that whether kpackagekit warns about removing packages) :)
[09:55] <naftilos76> i have now removed all 4.5.2 and 4.5.3 packages and after doing 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' i see a proper response from apt-get. That is, i see a bunch of packages ready to install. I get right to it...
[09:56] <geekosopher> naftilos76: all the best
[09:56] <naftilos76> i have removed ppa from the sources
[09:59] <geraldrhawk> this chatroom is better than geek squad... :P! kubuntu ftw
[10:02] <geraldrhawk> any1 want some scotch?
[10:04] <geraldrhawk> no takers?
[10:05] <geraldrhawk> ...this is a tough crowd...
[10:08] <geraldrhawk> well u all have a good night...and i will make sure i drink one for all of you tonight...
[10:09] <naftilos76> cheers
[10:28] <ussher_> i have an issue with FTP, hope this is the right place.  I got blocked from my rental server.  FTP access went down, email went down, access through firefox went down.  The server tech unblocked me.  Now i have firefox access, email access, but No FTP access. my firend can access with the username/password details from a different location.  but from here i get "530 login authentication failed."  any ideas as to what could be causing it?
[10:30] <ussher_> Tried Konqueror FTP, Firefox FTP and also wget FTP but no access from this location
[10:30] <Peace-> wow+
[10:30] <moetunes> ussher_:  that would be a question for the server host
[10:30] <moetunes> afaik
[10:31] <ussher_> moetunes: yeah we spent an hour on chat trying to figure it out.  but since FTP was working to other boxes on that network and FTP was working for everyone else the only idea we could come up with was ISP.  so kind of stumped.
[10:33] <moetunes> ussher_:  tried with a diff user on that box?
[10:34] <ussher_> yeah we changed the user | changed the password | tried from a different pc here (incase it was a rogue proceess on my machine)
[10:35] <kyubutsu> but you believe the problem is at the box ..
[10:35] <ussher_> tried 'wget ftp://ussher:thepassword@sitename.org/test'
[10:36] <ussher_> I feel like the issue is at the box because i did get blocked on all access paths then the access was re-allowed on email and firefox.  But the tech support completely disabled the firewall and i still coulnt acceess.
[10:36] <moetunes> can you ftp from another site?
[10:36] <moetunes> like kernel.org or something
[10:37] <ussher_> I can FTP into my all my other domains hosted with that same host.  (i have a resellers account with many domains and this was into the VPS box that ive lost FTP access)
[10:37] <kyubutsu> there are more active speakers at ##linux that might have an idea about your issue, moetunes
[10:38] <ussher_> to me it looks like the username/pass is wrong because its a "530 login authenticaion failed."
[10:38] <kyubutsu> just a thought
[10:38] <moetunes> kyubutsu:  I have no issues 'cept not getting paid enough..
[10:38] <ussher_> cheers kyubutsu
[10:38] <ussher_> im the one with the weirdness frustration today.
[10:38] <moetunes> heh
[10:39] <kyubutsu> right..
[10:39] <kyubutsu> well.. that was for ussher_ really
[10:39] <ussher_> I figure ill just wait until my ISP re-assigns me a new IP address and see if that might have been the issue.  Just cant think of anything else
[10:39] <ussher_> :)
[10:40] <ussher_> Thanks guys.
[10:46] <veryczn> Does Ibus works well on Kubuntu 10.10?
[10:46] <barraponto> anyone having issues with kopete?
[10:47] <barraponto> veryczn: i'm having no issues with ibus, so far
[10:47] <veryczn> Kopete does not support Gtalk
[10:48] <barraponto> veryczn: what?
[10:48] <veryczn> What "what" ?
[10:49] <barraponto> veryczn: i'm connected to gtalk
[10:49] <barraponto> veryczn: i have been using kopete on archlinux for 2 years, and had no issues with gtalk.
[10:50] <barraponto> veryczn: i am having some issues with kopete on kubuntu, but i have not tested disabling the gtalk account.
[10:50] <veryczn> Yes. I doesn't work
[10:51] <barraponto> it connects and sends/receives messages
[10:51] <veryczn> I know that.
[10:52] <moetunes> what we have here is a failure to communicate...
[10:55] <barraponto> moetunes: some men you just can't reach
[10:55] <moetunes> heh thnx for playing :))
[10:55] <barraponto> moetunes: i was trying to remember the intro to that song yesterday
[10:56] <ussher_> before it was a song, it was a  movie, think it was "cool hand luke"
[10:56] <moetunes> barraponto:  my line was from a movie  cool hand luke
[10:57] <barraponto> good to know, let's download the movie
[10:57] <moetunes> that's the way he wanted it - that's the sort of man he is
[11:15] <wilhart> egm
[11:15] <wilhart> kubuntu upgrade failed
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[11:56] <liquidat> The Kubuntu PPA-KDE 4.5.3 upgrade failed here horribly...
[11:57] <liquidat> Anyone knows why not all packages were upgraded and pushed to the repos properly?
[11:57] <moetunes> it's a known bug - give it a day or so
[12:04] <collabra> liquidat: they wern't upgraded and pushed properly because 10.10 started upgraded and was 'pushed' to the repos before it was debuggeed properly and the people at kubuntu didn't want to suprise anyone by putting out a decent product...  :)
[12:05] <liquidat> collabra: Erm... whut? Strange...
[12:05] <Peace-> i am here with kubuntu 4.4.2 and i am happy
[12:05] <Peace-> .
[12:05] <Peace-> no upgrading= stable system
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[12:06] <collabra> liquidat: don't mind my rant,... 10.10 sucks thoroughly enough to leave you dry... in my opinion.
[12:06] <moetunes> newest isn't always best...
[12:06] <collabra> liquidat: 10.10 is a piece of sh!t
[12:07] <liquidat> collabra: Well, it worked for me pretty well - and my problems didn't even come up with the regular 10.10, but with a Beta channel.
[12:08] <collabra> moetunes: yeah,... we'll the 64 bit edition of 10.10 kubuntu,... is horribly flawed and has no buisness 'acting' as a distro.
[12:08] <moetunes> collabra:  this is a family friendly channel
[12:08] <collabra> the 32 bit version isn't much better
[12:10] <collabra> these 'developers' really ought to feign a few weeks of debugging before a release,...
[12:10] <collabra> 10.10 is a disaster
[12:10] <Pici> collabra: Do you actually have a support question?
[12:11] <collabra> Pici: yeah,... when will 10.10 64 bit actually run on my computer?
[12:11] <collabra> stable,...and with little trouble.?
[12:11] <Pici> collabra: I don't know, I don't see that you've explained any issues that you've been having.
[12:12] <moetunes> collabra:  you can return it and get your money back if you want
[12:12] <collabra> Pici: I've already explained my issues,... and the answer is NEVER will 10.10 run on my computer...:)
[12:13] <collabra> I haven't the patience for all the bugs....
[12:13] <Pici> collabra: This isn't the 'Lets complain about K/Ubuntu channel'
[12:14] <collabra> Pici: NO,..and i'm not treating the channel as such,... but yes, i do have some residual anger for kubuntu 10.10 wasting my time.
[12:15] <moetunes> collabra:  I'm sorry it isn't working for you - have you filed bug reports?
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[12:18] <collabra> moetunes: i really haven't bothered with bug reports,... i need a computer that works,... i don't have time to submit bug reports that they'll get to a week or two later.
[12:20] <moetunes> collabra:  sorry but every now and again these things happen with the latest releases, it is a process that will always need fine tuning - newest is not always the best for a production machine]
[12:20] <elimental> Is there a way to configure KDE Netbook to use double click instead on single click to launch apps in Search and launch?
[12:32] <Peace-> elimental: of course
[12:32] <Peace-> systemsettings
[12:32] <Peace-> input stuf
[12:32] <Peace-> mouse
[12:32] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:33] <Peace-> 2 click instead of one
[12:33] <Peace-> i guess
[12:34] <elimental> Peace-:  thanx I also thought so, doesnt work
[12:38] <Kalidarn> okay i updated, time to try and dist-upgrade i guess
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[12:57] <Riddell> 4.5.3 out http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.3
[12:57] <Sentynel> Anybody know what's going on with the KDE 4.5.3 update in kubuntu-ppa? An announcement about it went up a while ago, but half the packages don't seem to be there yet.
[12:57] <Riddell> Sentynel: this has now been fixed
[12:57] <Riddell> sorry for the hassle
[12:57] <Sentynel> heh, that was good timing
[13:00] <gunsofbrixton> are there 4.5.3 packages for kubuntu 10.04?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[13:04] <zegenie_> gunsofbrixton: no, only 10.10
[13:04] <zegenie_> 4.5.2 and 4.5.3 are 10.10 only
[13:04] <gunsofbrixton> zegenie_: ok coll tnx
[13:04] <gunsofbrixton> *cool
[13:20] <moetunes> 10.04 used to have 4.5.2 ppa didn't it?
[13:23] <xyv> hello
[13:24] <moetunes> hello
[13:24] <BluesKaj> moetunes, yes , the ppas I added were kubuntu-ppa/backports and kubuntu-ppa
[13:25] <xyv> I am not able to connect to my wifi network .(knetworkmanager) It is detecting the card and I am feeding the right info!
[13:25] <xyv> I not having this problem with nm applet
[13:25] <xyv> can anyone tell me why ,please?
[13:26] <moetunes> BluesKaj:  so folk using the lts still have access to 4.5.2 then great I'll remember that - it gets asked from time to time thnx
[13:26] <BluesKaj> xyv, have you checked the settings ..I have to ask
[13:27] <xyv> yep mine is wep , open system with passphrase
[13:27] <xyv> i am not having this problem with nm applet
[13:27] <BluesKaj> moetunes, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[13:28] <moetunes> thnxs BluesKaj
[13:28] <huca2> can someone help me with a problem since uprgradeing from 10.4 to 10.10?
[13:28] <xyv> i even checked my router to ensure that my passphrase was correct
[13:28] <moetunes> added to my list of well used links :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> moetunes, then  uou'll have to update of course
[13:29] <moetunes> BluesKaj: yep :) - I don't use kde - just for those that ask
[13:30] <huca2> anyone know why since upgrading to 10.10 i now have no privilages to do anything?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> xyv, nm applet and knetwork manager are very similar , if you still have gnome on youre pc then use nm
[13:31] <huca2> i cant make any changes even when running a file manager in root
[13:31] <xyv> no gnome only kde
[13:31] <BluesKaj> moetunes, then you should really be asking in #ubuntu , not here
[13:32] <Sentynel> sweet, on kde 4.5.3
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[13:33] <xyv> how to get nm applet on kubuntu
[13:33] <huca2> ......
[13:36] <xyv> I guess I will have figure it out , anyways thankyou :)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> xyv, install network-manager after removing knetworkmanager first ...it used to work
[13:36] <Sentynel> I use wicd myself; seems to have fewer issues than knetworkmanager
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[13:37] <xyv> <BluesKaj>, <Sentynel> ok will try, thankyou for your suggestions
[13:38] <moetunes> BluesKaj:  sorry for confusing you - earlier someone asked about 4.5.2 in 10.04 - I was just checking for future reference - I don't use ubuntu anything
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Sentynel, depends on your wifi chip, wicd doesn't work well with some rt drivers
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[13:40] <BluesKaj> moetunes, so which desktop environment do you use?
[13:40] <huca2> executable files that i once could run with ease in 10.04 wont run in 10.10 and i cant seem to make any changes even running a root console
[13:40] <huca2> any ideas?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> huca2, how did you upgrade?
[13:41] <huca2> exactly how the website told me to
[13:41] <moetunes> BluesKaj:  fluxbox on Archlinux - this channel is abondware at times so I help where I can]
[13:42] <huca2> with update manager
[13:42] <BluesKaj> how many users are registered on the pc , huca2 ?
[13:42] <huca2> but when i try to run an exe file it keeps giving me some crap about executable bits  and non trusted sources
[13:42] <huca2> only 1
[13:42] <huca2> me
[13:43] <BluesKaj> brb, breakfast
[13:45] <huca2> anyone?
[13:45] <moetunes> huca2:  running them in wine of course?
[13:46] <huca2> yeah
[13:46] <huca2> everything worked flawlessly, untill i upgraded
[13:47] <huca2> now i dont have permissions to do anything i want to do
[13:47] <huca2> and i cant run exe files without some crap about executable bits coming up
[13:47] <huca2> it even tells e i have limited permissions when i log onto the system and that i cant save any changes lol
[13:48] <BluesKaj> huca2, try sudo chmod +x ~/home
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[13:59] <BluesKaj>  huca2, if you're running windows executables in wine then you need purge wine and reinstall it ..the permissions are obviously not transferred. I assumed you were talking about linux apps permissions which are sometimes referred to as executables as well
[14:01] <bzstevens> ls
[14:01] <bzstevens> 大家好
[14:01] <moetunes> !cn
[14:01] <ubottu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[14:02] <moetunes> or is that japanese - I am semi illiterate
[14:02] <Sentynel> moetunes: it's chinese for "hello everybody", and he's already gone
[14:04] <moetunes> Sentynel:  thnx - I have join/parts turned off here
[14:04] <huca2> i can run windows executeables in wine,  as long as they are in my wine c drive,  it will not let me run them from any other area ( like my windows drive)   without telling me it has no executeable bit,  and using a root file manager it will not let me "allow the file to be run as an executeable"  and even when i log in it tells me right off the bat i have limited privilages and cant make or save any changes
[14:06] <moetunes> huca2:  that is prob a question for the wine channel
[14:06] <moetunes> !wine
[14:06] <ubottu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu
[14:07] <BluesKaj> huca2, I think you have to go into the windows drive to make sure the permissions are recreated ,, windows sees the hew Linux OS as a new user without permissions
[14:08] <huca2> and what if it was doing the same thing on say a cd?
[14:08] <huca2> or a usb stick?
[14:09] <Sentynel> huca2: have you tried just chmod +x on the windows exes you're trying to run?
[14:09] <huca2> im sorry i am fairly new to linux but in 10.04 everything was so simple to get working, then i upgrade to 10.10 and i cant do squat lol
[14:09] <huca2> no
[14:09] <huca2> i will try that tho once im at my linux pc
[14:10] <BluesKaj> huca2, if you wan to run windows apps , run them in windows or find the linux equivalent or version
[14:11] <Sentynel> you ought to also be able to start windows exes that aren't chmodded with wine program.exe
[14:11] <huca2> i dont want to run windows and i know its possible to do lucid had no problems with this
[14:12] <huca2> but every documentation ive read is basically saying that in 10.10 you cannot run anything that didnt come from a trusted source and ther is apparently no way around that which i think is worse than windows,  at least windows gives you the option to run it anyway
[14:13] <huca2> all in an effort to protect against malware lol
[14:13] <BluesKaj> huca2, then run the apps in windows , are they games ?
[14:13] <huca2> some are some arent
[14:14] <Sentynel> I'm pretty sure that's nonsense... wine works fine in 10.10 for me
[14:14] <huca2> are you running files that arent in your wine drive?
[14:14] <Sentynel> yes
[14:15] <huca2> did you upgrade from 10.04 or clean install
[14:15] <Kalidarn> hmm anyone able to print in okular?
[14:15] <Sentynel> upgrade
[14:15] <huca2> then wtf
[14:15] <Kalidarn> i can print from say kate but i can't print from okular
[14:15] <huca2> its not like id come here and just start lying lol
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Sentynel, he's not on kubuntu , he's runnining archlinux ...I think the permission system is different
[14:15] <Kalidarn> it's rather annoying :(
[14:15] <huca2> no
[14:15] <huca2> im on kubuntu
[14:15] <Sentynel> if he was on arch what exactly would he be doing in #kubuntu...
[14:15] <huca2> lol
[14:15] <BluesKaj> just a while ago you said you were on archlinux
[14:16] <huca2> no i didnt that was someone else
[14:16] <BluesKaj> oops :)
[14:16] <huca2> lol
[14:16] <huca2> so is it possible something got screwed during the update
[14:16] <Sentynel> anyway my guess is that the wine program loader's started enforcing that windows exes are chmod +x in order to run them
[14:17] <Peace-> Kalidarn: mm nice checck if you have some problem on the printer
[14:17] <Peace-> :)=
[14:17] <huca2> so how should i fix my whole problem
[14:17] <huca2> just chmod everything to +x
[14:17] <Kalidarn> Peace-: from what ive read there's heaps of problems printing from a pdf in okular
[14:17] <Sentynel> chmod any windows execs yeah
[14:17] <wilhart> hey my kdm and gdm doenst have my KDE4 in it! session!
[14:17] <wilhart> why not?
[14:18] <Kalidarn> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106402.0 tried that and it didn't work :P
[14:18] <wilhart> i'm stuck with gnome :P
[14:18] <BluesKaj> well, I suggested chmod +x ~/home \
[14:18] <huca2> ok well i will try that
[14:18] <Kalidarn> someone here said in bug 471738 that they couldn't get okular to work either
[14:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 471738 in cups (Ubuntu) "client-error-bad-request printing _any_ PDF from any program" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/471738
[14:18] <huca2> but is that not the same as changing permission of a file using a root filemanager?
[14:18] <wilhart> hmm
[14:18] <Sentynel> you shouldn't need root to chmod files in your home dir
[14:18] <BluesKaj> wilhart, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:18] <Kalidarn> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/405026-printing-problems-okular.html im not sure if it's still broken
[14:19] <wilhart> BluesKaj, yea i did dist-upgrade noticed there was packages not installed!!
[14:19] <huca2> but thats the thing, the file im running is not in my home dir
[14:19] <huca2> its on my windows drive
[14:19] <Sentynel> hm
[14:19] <Sentynel> interesting
[14:19] <Sentynel> ntfs right?
[14:19] <huca2> yep
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Sentynel, agreed but ....wwhat else is there
[14:19] <wilhart> BluesKaj, heh kde 4.5.3 had some issues in the morning they fiexd it!
[14:19] <Sentynel> because windows file systems don't *have* permissions
[14:20] <Sentynel> everything's treated as chmod +777
[14:20] <Sentynel> er, chmod 777
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Sentynel, the users have permissions on windows files
[14:21] <BluesKaj> anyway , I still think he needs to purge wine and reinstall it
[14:21] <Sentynel> yeah I'd try purging wine first
[14:21] <Sentynel> and install it from wine's ppa if it isn't already
[14:21] <huca2> but why would 10.04 have no issues with this but 10.10 does ?
[14:22] <huca2> ok so remove and reinstall wine then
[14:22] <huca2> ill try that
[14:22] <BluesKaj> huca2, dunno
[14:22] <Sentynel> I think something might have screwed up with your upgrade
[14:22] <BluesKaj> I don't use upgrade manager , the cli is best IMO
[14:22] <Sentynel> if just purging and reinstalling wine doesn't work try booting off a 10.10 liveusb or something... if that behaves itself you may need to reinstall the os
[14:23] <Sentynel> BluesKaj: well the command line upgrade and the gui are the same program with a different frontend
[14:23] <BluesKaj> yes Sentynel I'm aware of that but why bother with a clunky front end gui
[14:24] <Sentynel> it's entirely irrelevant whether you use it or not
[14:24] <Sentynel> one gives you buttons to press on the screen, the other on the keyboard
[14:24] <huca2> ok i jsut read something on a forums of a guy with the exact same problem
[14:25] <huca2> and hes pretty sure it has something to do with permissions of the drive itself
[14:25] <Sentynel> oh
[14:25] <Sentynel> this rings a bell
[14:25] <Sentynel> can you open fstab?
[14:25] <huca2> like its being mounted with noexec
[14:25] <Sentynel> yeah
[14:25] <Sentynel> I had a similar issue a few years back thinking about it
[14:25] <Sentynel> UUID=6C105FE9105FB932       /media/disk     ntfs    auto,exec,rw,suid    0   0
[14:26] <Sentynel> that's my fstab line for my windows drive
[14:26] <huca2> apparently if he copies the file in question to his desktoop he can make it executable, if he copies it back the execute bit goes away etc.
[14:26] <huca2> hmm
[14:26] <huca2> ok
[14:26] <huca2> dammit i wish i was at home so i coudl try it, but at least now i have a good idea what the problem is
[14:26] <huca2> unless of course my line looks the same lol
[14:27] <Sentynel> do sudo nano /etc/fstab and add ,exec,rw to the line for your windows drive
[14:27] <huca2> so to be sure,  10.04 might have had exec in the fstab for my win drive but when i upgraded to 10.10 it made a new fstab??
[14:27] <Sentynel> swap nano for your text editor of choice if preferred
[14:27] <Sentynel> I'd guess something like that happened yeah
[14:27] <huca2> ok
[14:28] <huca2> thanks for your help
[14:28] <Sentynel> if you've edited conf files manually it'll keep them, but if they're autogenerated it can change them which can occasionally have interesting results
[14:28] <huca2> right
[14:29] <BluesKaj> irrelavent eh, launchpad has alot of bugs related to the so called update manager , Sentynel
[14:29] <huca2> so any idea on my other problem,  why kde is telling me i have no privilages when i log on??
[14:30] <Sentynel> huca2: I'd look at the permission modes and ownership for your dir in /home
[14:31] <BluesKaj> huca2, when you upgraded were you asked for a pw / username , do you recall ?
[14:32] <Sentynel> if it's somehow not owned by your user or you haven't got +rw on all files and +x on directories, that could be causing the issues
[14:34] <huca2> no the uprgade didnt askk me for credentials
[14:35] <huca2> ok so the suggestion of chmod ~/home +x would maybe fix it then?
[14:36] <Sentynel> huca2: not exactly; ~ points to /home/youruser so there won't be a ~/home
[14:36] <Sentynel> but the sentiment may be in the right place, if /home/youruser isn't chmod +x
[14:36] <Sentynel> I assume that was a typo
[14:37] <huca2> yeah im not a whiz with the commands, im logging this so i can refer to it when i get to my pc
[14:37] <Sentynel> and no, upgrade doesn't ask for credentials as part of the upgrade process, it doesn't change anything like that
[14:38] <Sentynel> BluesKaj: it doesn't matter whether you're using the graphical or cli frontend to do-release-upgrade, you'll get the same bugs 'cos it's the same program...
[14:40] <BluesKaj> well, I guees we have to agree to disagree, , Sentynel
[14:40] <geekosopher> yay! got 4.5.3 \0/
[14:41] <BluesKaj> geekosopher, yeah I beleive it came down the pipe today , if you have the ppas
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[14:43] <EvilRoey> Hello!
[14:43] <EvilRoey> hi,..  do I need nspluginwrapper 1.2.2-0ubuntu7 to view Flash on my x86_64 system?  I keep seeing npviewer.bin pegging my CPU at a stupidly high rate
[14:43] <BluesKaj> anyway, stuff to do ...no rest eve in retirement
[14:43] <BluesKaj> even
[14:44] <sresu> Plasma error: http://pastebin.com/8iXQkVDj How to fix it?
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[14:45] <Sentynel> EvilRoey: nspluginwrapper is what allows i386 netscape plugins to be run on x64
[14:46] <Sentynel> the cpu usage you're seeing is just flash being a cpu hog
[14:46] <EvilRoey> Sentynel:  aye
[14:47] <EvilRoey> Sentynel:  issuing "killall npviewer.bin" seems to solve that for me (just have to do it every half an hour :P)
[14:48] <Sentynel> hm, you've got a glitch somewhere if that's still running after any flash plugins have gone away
[14:48] <EvilRoey> Sentynel:  is Flash's behavior the result of accumulated memory leaks?
[14:48] <EvilRoey> Sentynel:  I kill Flash and then continue browsing, so I only assume some page starts it back up.
[14:49] <Sentynel> EvilRoey: might be worth using a fx addon like noscript to block unwanted flash plugins starting up
[14:50] <EvilRoey> Sentynel:  I use this at work, in fact ;)  Normally though I use Chromium-browser, for which I could not find a NoScript extension
[14:50] <Sentynel> EvilRoey: yeah, there isn't one; one of the reasons I don't use chromium more
[14:50] <moetunes> noscript ftw
[14:50] <EvilRoey> ahhh
[14:50] <EvilRoey> hey moetunes
[14:50] <Sentynel> afaik it's a limitation of the chromium plugin architecture
[14:51] <EvilRoey> I love how chromium's windows pop up instantly
[14:51] <moetunes> hey there EvilRoey
[14:51] <EvilRoey> wish Fx did that
[14:51] <Sentynel> yeah I use chromium if I need to check something quickly or whatever
[14:51] <EvilRoey> Sentynel:  really? I thought it's political
[14:51] <Sentynel> but for regular browsing firefox and a suite of addons is where it's at
[14:51] <EvilRoey> like, on /any/ machine I've seen, it takes > 2 seconds to open Fx from a cold start
[14:51] <EvilRoey> like
[14:52] <EvilRoey> without having any other Fx processes running
[14:52] <Sentynel> well, you may speculate on political reasons for chrome's extensions not being able to block flash plugins and stuff all you like
[14:52] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:52] <Sentynel> personally, yes, I think it's because google is an advertising company
[14:52] <Sentynel> but whatever the reasons it can't be done
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[15:46] <SCWLstmp> oops for autojoin, see you all later.
[15:48] <BenPA> hi all ... looking for a program to install on a dual boot Linux/Windows like smb4k so that a non computer type can access window files
[15:49] <KukuNut> Kubuntu Lucid 10.04 LTS didn't get the 4.5.2 and  4.5.3 either.  :(
[15:50] <KukuNut> so what does Kubuntu LTS means?
[15:52] <tsimpson|n800> BenPA: you should use the "Network" entry in dolphin
[15:52] <tsimpson|n800> !lts | KukuNut
[15:52] <ubottu> KukuNut: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)
[15:53] <alvin> If I'm not mistaken, supported is mainly about security updates. KDE 4.5.x are bug fixes, but not security related.
[15:53] <KukuNut> lol  Kubuntu 10.04 is not even a year and no longer gets updates
[15:54] <maco> bugfixes go in
[15:54] <maco> but we don't have clearance (yet, its being worked on) to upload new point releases of kde wholesale
[15:54] <maco> we can only take individual patches and backport them
[15:55] <maco> security and bugfix updates will happen on 10.04 until 2013 for kubuntu though
[15:55] <BenPA> tsimpsonjn800: not sure what you mean
[15:55] <alvin> Oh, that's a pity. I use Kubuntu LTS in the company. One server has 10 users and always several zombie processes (nepomuk) while that bug has been fixed a long time ago, it's not in the official packages.
[15:56] <alvin> I have a no-ppa policy on all computers but mine
[15:56] <maco> do you know what commit fixed it? it sounds SRU-worthy to me
[15:57] <alvin> maco: Hmm, might be interesting. I'll look the bug up.
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[16:00] <alvin> maco: It's bug 590088
[16:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 590088 in soprano (Ubuntu) "nepomukservices[2448]: segfaults error 4 in libsoprano.so.4.3.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590088
[16:00] <KukuNut> maco: thanks for caring though
[16:10] <Lonewulf> Hi all I am having difficulties installing 10.04 on a CQ50-110US any one have on of these laptops?
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[16:21] <kotsos> hi there i am new
[16:21] <Lonewulf> Hi welcome.
[16:21] <kotsos> can i get some help with dual booting win 7 and ubuntu
[16:21] <kotsos> :)
[16:22] <Lonewulf> I can try. What is the problem
[16:22] <kotsos> first there is no problem
[16:22] <kotsos> i just wanna change the boot options
[16:22] <Lonewulf> Oh Ok
[16:23] <Lonewulf> How do you want to change them?
[16:23] <DarthFrog> What options?  Check /etc/default/grub to see what's set.
[16:23] <kotsos> i wanna have win 7 as the default option
[16:23] <kotsos> when booting and not last
[16:23] <Lonewulf> Oh one sec i can find that out..
[16:23] <DarthFrog> Yeah, that's set in /etc/default/grub.
[16:24] <Lonewulf> Yeah i could not remember that. Also witch version of ubuntu?
[16:24] <DarthFrog> Mine is set to GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[16:25] <kotsos> that would be 10.04 x86
[16:25] <kotsos> had a little problem with the 64 bit
[16:26] <Lonewulf> Yeah if it is set to GRUB_DEFAULT=0 it should boot into windows by default.
[16:26] <kotsos> mine is 0 as well
[16:26] <Lonewulf> What problem with the x64.
[16:26] <DarthFrog> Change the "0" to whatever order Win7 is presented in.  i.e. if Win7 is the 4th option in the GRUB screen when booting, change "0" to "3" for Win7 to be the default.
[16:26] <kotsos> but boots ubuntu first
[16:26] <kotsos> Simplescalar wasnt working
[16:26] <kotsos> thanks!
[16:27] <DarthFrog> kotsos: After editing that file, you have to run "update-grub" before it'll take effect.
[16:27] <kotsos> do i change the backround image here too?
[16:27] <Lonewulf> Oh. DeathFrog is right. I use vista and i was able to set my default to boot vista first. I think it might be differnent with 7.
[16:28] <DarthFrog> kotsos: Probably but I don't see an option for it.
[16:28] <Lonewulf> No to change you "bootsplash" you need a program like BUM or some such.
[16:29] <kotsos> i ll google that bum thing then
[16:29] <DarthFrog> Lonewulf: I don't think he's talking about bootsplash, rather the background for the GRUB menu.
[16:29] <kotsos> thanks guys!
[16:29] <Lonewulf> Oh i think it can change that to.
[16:30] <xyv> hello
[16:30] <Lonewulf> BUM stands for Boot Up Manager. FYI
[16:30] <kotsos> actually i wanna change the screen where i choose what to boot
[16:31] <Lonewulf> Yeah i am pretty sure BUM can do that. Are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[16:32] <kotsos> ubuntu (tried the kde but i didnt really like it so i unistalled it after half an hour of use)
[16:35] <Lonewulf> Oh I was wondering because KDE has a progam built in by default to do that.
[16:35] <DarthFrog> What didn't you like about Kubuntu?
[16:36] <kotsos> i tried only kde (downloaded the package)  i use ubuntu
[16:36] <kotsos> but it just didnt feel right
[16:37] <kotsos> i like gnome better- seems like better working to me anyway
[16:38] <Lonewulf> Cant get my Nvidia 8200M G graphics card to work right.
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[16:39] <Lonewulf> Will not do screen affects.
[16:40] <DarthFrog> Which driver are you using?  /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what's being loaded.
[16:40] <kotsos> thanks everybody
[16:40] <kotsos> bye!
[16:42] <Lonewulf> Well i dont have it installed right now but when i did it said something about nouvea...What ever that is.
[16:43] <DarthFrog> That's probably the issue.  Nouveau isn't quite ready for prime-time yet, I gather.
[16:43] <Lonewulf> Well i tryed installing the Nvidia driver but that didnt work.
[16:43] <DarthFrog> Nouveau is open-source Nvidia 3D driver.
[16:44] <DarthFrog> There are more than one Nvidia 3D driver.  Try 'em all, they're cheap. :-)
[16:44] <Lonewulf> I even tryd the driver from the nvidia site
[16:44] <DarthFrog> Oh, and they come with a money-back guarantee. :-)
[16:45] <Lonewulf> also my Atheros 5007 wifi card does not work.
[16:46] <Peace-> Lonewulf: ?
[16:46] <Lonewulf> Yes.
[16:46] <Peace-> ok atheros i can help you
[16:46] <Lonewulf> Cool
[16:46] <Peace-> iwconfig
[16:46] <Peace-> in the terminal
[16:46] <Peace-> !paste
[16:46] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[16:47] <Lonewulf> yeah it said ath5k but it will not so any networks. Or even give me the optoin to turn the thing on.
[16:48] <Peace-> Lonewulf: iwconfig
[16:48] <Peace-> please
[16:48] <Peace-> give me the ouput
[16:48] <Lonewulf> Well  i am trying to trouble shoot it now so i can install Kubuntu. i am in vista right now.
[16:49] <Peace-> well
[16:49] <Peace-> the issue about your card is this
[16:49] <Peace-> rebooting ath5k driver doesn't reset well your card
[16:49] <Peace-> so after that you can't use it
[16:49] <Peace-> the trick is this
[16:49] <Peace-> turn off your computer
[16:49] <Peace-> unplug the voltage
[16:50] <Peace-> click on power button
[16:50] <Peace-> 10 second
[16:50] <Peace-> plug the voltage
[16:50] <Peace-> start the pc
[16:50] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:50] <Peace-> that to use ath5k
[16:50] <Peace-> if you are bored about that you can use another driver
[16:50] <Peace-> madwifi
[16:50] <Lonewulf> Ok I will trye that
[16:51] <Peace-> Lonewulf: you can find the stuff in my blog
[16:51] <Lonewulf> What is the adress.
[16:51] <Peace-> Lonewulf: this is my card atheros 5006 but it shoudl be the same for yours
[16:51] <Peace-> Lonewulf: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/kubuntu-904-atheros-communications-inc-ar242x-80211abg-wireless-pci-express-adapter-rev-01/
[16:52] <Peace-> xD it's sound crazy but i use ath5k driver xD
[16:52] <DarthFrog> !nouveau | Lonewulf
[16:52] <ubottu> Lonewulf: nouveau is an open-source nvidia driver included by default in 10.04. Currently 3D rendering is unsupported. More information can be found in http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ - See also !nvidia
[16:53] <DarthFrog> Lonewulf: Also, why are you installing 10.04?  10.10 is the current version.
[16:54] <Peace-> DarthFrog: well 10.04 it's a bit more stable to me
[16:54] <Peace-> .
[16:54] <Peace-> and supported for 3 years
[16:55] <Lonewulf> Yeah that is true.
[16:55] <DarthFrog> Peace-: Good reasons.  But I was wondering why Lonewuld was installing that version, if it's causing him trouble.
[16:56] <Peace-> wifi atheros is very evil to me
[16:56] <Lonewulf> Because it seems to be persistant even in 10.10
[16:56] <Peace-> never worked  well
[16:56] <Peace-> infact...
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[16:56] <DarthFrog> Yeah, 10.04 is LTS so if the atheros bug is fixed, it should be back-ported to Lucid.
[16:57] <Lonewulf> Yeah i thought of that.. I could not find it in the backports.
[16:58] <Lonewulf> I am almost tempted to stick with Wnblows Vista
[16:59] <DarthFrog> Lonewulf: An OS is a tool, not a religious choice. :-)  Use what works for you.
[16:59] <Lonewulf> This is true but i am way more comfortable in Ubuntu or Kubuntu.
[17:00] <Lonewulf> I am not so worried about viruses.
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[17:03] <DarthFrog> Well, you've been given the work-arounds for both your issues with Kubuntu.
[17:03] <Lonewulf> Yeah now i just need to try them. good bye all.
[17:04] <DarthFrog> Have fun.
[17:08] <plan_rich> when i try to activate the additional desktop effects of kde, kwin claims that it cannot enable any of the default desktop effects? also i cannot find any desktopeffects listed. how would i enable these effects?
[17:08] <snarkster> whats this i hear about no kubuntu next release?
[17:09] <jussi> snarkster: not true.
[17:09] <snarkster> ok cool
[17:09] <snarkster> just saw that in the ubuntu channel
[17:10] <wilkie_cat> I have installed Ubuntu-Desktop on top of Kubuntu. Do I need to keep it? Or can I uninstall it?
[17:11] <snarkster> im trying to dd a 160gb hd to an img, but keep ending up with only 210mb. can anyone explain why that is happening
[17:11] <Space_Man> wilkie_cat: I would uninstall ubuntu-desktop it's not needed
[17:12] <wilkie_cat> The package manager tells you not to uninstall Ubuntu Desktop.
[17:13] <Space_Man> oh well
[17:14] <Space_Man> it may be a ubuntu package manager which is deliberately misleading you :P
[17:15] <Space_Man> some kind of fifth columnist
[17:18] <snn> hi have a problem with my flash
[17:18] <snn> disk
[17:19] <wilkie_cat> I can't get mobile broadband to work. The device is recognized and it all appears to connect, but I cannot access the Internet. I am at present using the machine by connecting it via Ethernet to another machine. Any ideas?
[17:19] <snn> is linux have a program like EAsus data recovery ?
[17:19] <snn> or data recovery tool ?
[17:27] <DarthFrog> !purekde | wilkie_cat
[17:27] <ubottu> wilkie_cat: If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[17:28] <dmatt> snn: start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[17:28] <wilkie_cat> Yes ubottu, got that!
[17:32] <Peace-> dmatt: xD
[18:15] <Lars_G> Ah so good I can finally ask 10.10 stuff here...
[18:15] <Lars_G> Question, KDE's power off toolbar icon let's me only "log out" while in gnome and xfce I can log out, reboot, power off or suspend... where can I activate all other options for kde too?
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[18:16] <Tm_T> Lars_G: using kdm or gdm?
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[18:19] <Lars_G> Tm_T: gdm
[18:19] <Tm_T> that might explain, try kdm
[18:22] <Lars_G> I'll try.
[18:28] <Incarus> Hi. Kubuntu guys shipped a wrong update D:
[18:30] <Incarus> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/615865
[18:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 615865 in Kubuntu PPA "Blackscreen after login, after update to kde 4.5" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:38] <rrh> hello
[18:39] <rrh> i've got problems after upgrade to 4.5.3
[18:39] <rrh> system stalls at kdm
[18:39] <Incarus> rrh, known problem: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/615865
[18:39] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 615865 in Kubuntu PPA "Blackscreen after login, after update to kde 4.5" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:40] <Incarus> use "sudo apt-get update", then "sudo apt-get upgrade" and then: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[18:41] <Incarus> brb, reboot ;D
[18:41] <rrh> Incarus: let me see :)
[18:45] <rrh> Incarus: man, you've saved my nerves. Thanks :)
[18:46] <bigbrovar> Hi guys earlier this morning when packages for kde 4.5.3 was released for kubuntu 10.10 there were some dependencies issues which caused upgrading to do bad things to a kubuntu installation. has things been sorted out now?
[18:46] <bigbrovar> has anyone been able to successfully upgrade to kde 4.5.3 without any issue what so ever?
[18:47] <rrh> bigbrovar yes
[18:47] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: yes... it is good now
[18:48] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: i upgraded to 4.5.3 about an hour ago
[18:49] <Incarus> rrh, re. fixed?
[18:49] <bigbrovar> great so em hope all is well? my particular concern is with nepomuk / strigi dolphin searching functionality which I rely on alot but which can be very very unstable and seems to hate upgrades :(
[18:51] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: that doesn't sound like packaging issue but a software issue
[18:51] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: you would like to read the release notes and changelog to see if these packages have any changes
[18:51] <bigbrovar> u mean the nepomuk instability issue? well it really makes no different with me anyway :)
[18:52] <bigbrovar> I always read the release notes. usually issues like that are always associated with regressions than anything and are not likely included in the release notes
[18:54] <geekosopher> bigbrovar: likely disadvantages of living on the cutting edge? :P
[18:55] <bigbrovar> u can say that again
[19:35] <wilhart> hmm all my programs open in display 2 !! where was this check box?
[19:39] <reeppeep> hi guys, something's been bothering me but i can't seem to figure it out. how do i disable the switching from one workpace to another by scrolling with the mouse on the desktop. gets quite annoying with a ouchpad
[19:43] <wilhart> anyone?
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[20:34] <bhkf_> i am unable to find xchat
[20:42] <wilhart> emm, where do i enable autologin from gdm
[20:42] <wilhart> ot kdm
[20:42] <Space_Man> bhkf_: sudo apt-get install xchat should install it
[20:42] <wilhart> i want this to autologin
[20:43] <Space_Man> if you can't find the shortcut, open the konsole and type xchat to launch it
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[20:45] <skafti_> hey how do i open a hd which was on ntfs system }
[20:45] <skafti_> did not do safe remove drive
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[20:45] <skafti_> so kubuntu wont open it
[20:46] <skafti_> someone
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[20:49] <wilhart> how do i auto-login kdm
[20:52] <d_ed> wilhart: systemsettings->Login Screen->Convenience
[20:54] <microcluster> hallo,waht about frequently freeze of kubuntu
[20:57] <d_ed> skafti_: sorry, what's the issue?
[20:58] <wilhart> d_ed, works
[20:59] <skafti_> cant open usb (ntfs mounted) hd
[21:00] <d_ed> ok, how are you trying to mount it? What happens when you do it?
[21:04] <skafti_> just get warning could not set locale to.....EXT
[21:04] <lonewulf> Hello evryone my WiFi will not work need help it is supposed to use ath5k but i get nothing.
[21:04] <skafti_> I just tryed to open it like a normal drive
[21:04] <skafti_> i really suck at this....
[21:05] <lonewulf> DarthFrog I am in my Kubuntu 10.10 and this is the output of wiconfig lo        no wireless extensions.
[21:05] <lonewulf> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[21:05] <lonewulf> wlan1     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:off/any
[21:05] <lonewulf>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=off
[21:05] <lonewulf>           Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[21:05] <FloodBotK1> lonewulf: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:05] <lonewulf>           Encryption key:off
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[21:09] <lonewulf> My WiFi will not work this is from wiconfig http://paste.ubuntu.com/525966/ any ideas.
[21:14] <huca2> how do i find the uuid of a partition?
[21:14] <turboshield> huca2 what?
[21:15] <turboshield> uuid ??? may be rfid?
[21:15] <huca2> im tryng to add an ntfs partition to my fstab
[21:15] <huca2> any help would be great
[21:15] <lonewulf> Need help with Atheros AR5007
[21:24] <wilhart> my smplayer has transparent window and video is running? hm
[21:26] <nusch> huca2: blkid
[21:26] <nusch> in command line
[21:30] <huca2> yeah ive done that now im having a new problem
[21:30] <huca2> i want my drive to be called windows 7   not windows7  and fstab wont let me use spaces in the the mount point name
[21:31] <huca2> how is ubuntu auto mounting my drives by default?  because there was no entry for that partition in my fstab
[21:31] <huca2> and when ubuntu automounts it i have no execute permissions
[21:31] <huca2> am i going about this the wrong way or is there a better way than fstab to get exec permissions?
[21:53] <microcluster> hallo freinds, something about kubuntu freeze on notebook?
[22:05] <Chat5981> wine is better witH directX?
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[22:37] <User2> I'm looking for help with trouble I have an occasional pc crash
[22:46] <lonewulf> Can anyone help with Atheros 5007 driver Not functioning.
[22:46] <frogonwheels> lonewulf: Is that a wireless-N car?
[22:46] <frogonwheels> card?
[22:47] <lonewulf> No it is a built in b/g card
[22:47] <microcluster> someone knows something about kubuntu freeze?
[22:48] <lonewulf> <microcluster> What kind of freezing?
[22:48] <dmatt> microcluster: mine does not freeze
[22:51] <lonewulf> micrcluster If you meen freezing during boot it could be an incompatabale graphics card.
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