| robert_ancell | RAOF, what ISP are you using? | 01:56 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | robert_ancell: Internode. | 01:56 |
| RAOF | With what porpoise? | 01:57 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, good? I'm thinking of changing from TPG because the performance has been bad for months | 01:57 |
| RAOF | Yeah, Internode have been generally great. | 01:57 |
| RAOF | They may be more expensive, although I also bundle in a VoIP phone for free, so it's less so. | 01:58 |
| RAOF | But I consistently pull ~ 1.4MiB/sec from the Ubuntu mirror on mirror.internode.on.net, and 300 ~ 1000KiB/sec from various overseas places. | 02:00 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, hmm, they have a lot of plans, what's the difference | 02:00 |
| robert_ancell | nice | 02:00 |
| RAOF | They've really only got about 5 plans, but 4 different ways of actually being connected ): | 02:01 |
| RAOF | :) | 02:01 |
| RAOF | Depending on how much you love Telstra's phone service you probably want one of the Naked ADSL2+ plans. | 02:03 |
| RAOF | If Internode have some dslam hardware available at your exchange, of course. They probably do, Sydneysider! | 02:03 |
| RAOF | You can have my old port on the Cammeray exchange :) | 02:04 |
| robert_ancell | heh, so I don't get the difference between "Easy" and "Extreme" | 02:04 |
| RAOF | I don't think they had them when I signed up. | 02:05 |
| RAOF | I think “Extreme” == ADSL2+ | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | why wouldn't they all be on ADSL2+ now, if there's the option? | 02:08 |
| robert_ancell | It says "Easy" is 2+ as well. | 02:08 |
| * ajmitch really needs to find out how to get this laptop cooling better before it dies | 02:09 | |
| robert_ancell | ok, weird. "Easy"=internode or optus wholesale network, "Extreme"= internode only, "Ultra"=optus only. I have no idea why they're exposing these details to customers | 02:11 |
| RAOF | There's probably some cash involved, but yeah. | 02:12 |
| RAOF | It does seem rather silly. | 02:12 |
| robert_ancell | RAOF, do you use a hardware phone for SIP? | 02:28 |
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| RAOF | robert_ancell: Yeah, I do. | 02:59 |
| RAOF | I got a SIP router/adsl modem with a rs-whatever port :) | 03:00 |
| robert_ancell | I was thinking is it better to get that or a SIP phone | 03:00 |
| RAOF | Oh, right. | 03:02 |
| RAOF | Well, I already had a regular phone, didn't have an ADSL2+ router, and IIRC they gave it away for free with a 2 year contract, so it wasn't much of a decision for me. | 03:03 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, hey | 03:56 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, i haven't looked at that branch yet... but is it just this patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57067390/light.debdif-style.patch | 03:56 |
| kenvandine | ? | 03:56 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, yes | 03:58 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, the light-themes package is done a bit different... probably be easier for me just to apply that patch :) | 03:58 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, yeah, that's what I thought! Is there a problem with the upload to maverick-proposed though? (i.e. you probably want to take into account the version number I used) | 03:59 |
| kenvandine | ok, i'll grab the changelog :) | 03:59 |
| kenvandine | and fix it in trunk | 03:59 |
| robert_ancell | thansk | 03:59 |
| kenvandine | lp:light-themes is upstream and packaging | 03:59 |
| kenvandine | and it is a native package | 04:00 |
| kenvandine | i messed it up a couple times when i was getting to know it :) | 04:00 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, add the Vcs-Bzr link into the control file - that will make it clearer :) | 04:01 |
| kenvandine | good idea :) | 04:01 |
| kenvandine | actually i think i did once, and kwwii took it out again | 04:01 |
| kenvandine | merged | 04:05 |
| kenvandine | thx robert_ancell | 04:05 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, can you let vala out of the new queue in natty? thanks | 05:24 |
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| RAOF | Hm. Are we going to be shipping the new pane-based gnome-control-centre in Natty? | 07:16 |
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| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
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| rodrigo_ | morning | 08:45 |
| didrocks | morning rodrigo_ | 08:47 |
| rodrigo_ | bonjour didrocks | 08:48 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, where do I file a kernel module bug? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-team doesn't have a 'report bug' link | 08:55 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, Kernel Bugs! | 08:56 |
| didrocks | :) | 08:56 |
| rodrigo_ | no, https://edge.launchpad.net/~kernel-bugs doesn't have the link | 08:56 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, found the package | 08:59 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, hi | 09:07 |
| rodrigo_ | hi ricotz | 09:07 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, have you seen my merge proposal? | 09:08 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, hmm, no, still going over mail, looking now | 09:08 |
| ricotz | ok | 09:08 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, ah, adding the online patch | 09:15 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, i also would suggest to clean up the changelog, i think there is no need to document ppa uploads, all changes for the official upload should go into one changelog entry | 09:15 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, yes it got dropped ;-) | 09:16 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, on my branch? | 09:16 |
| ricotz | not sure, it was an inline patch, to might be happened while the upstream import | 09:17 |
| rodrigo_ | right | 09:17 |
| seb128 | hey rodrigo_, ricotz | 09:18 |
| rodrigo_ | hi seb128 | 09:18 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi | 09:18 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ricotz: keeping the ppa uploads in a changelog is fine | 09:19 |
| seb128 | what update are you working on? | 09:19 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~ricotz/libcanberra/ubuntu/+merge/40051 | 09:19 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, looks good to me, if seb128 agrees, I'll merge it with my branch | 09:19 |
| seb128 | seems fine, just don't use 0ubuntu2 yet | 09:20 |
| seb128 | still use a ppa version until it lands in natty | 09:20 |
| seb128 | it can't land before gtk3 lands | 09:20 |
| ricotz | seb128, hmm, keeping the ppa revisions will create quite some clutter in the changelog, it can be added locally before the upload? | 09:21 |
| seb128 | why clutter? | 09:22 |
| seb128 | it's just the package history | 09:22 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, I think we can do what ricotz says, keep the correct version in the merge proposal | 09:22 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, ok | 09:22 |
| seb128 | well it's the same story that people tweaking git history before merges | 09:22 |
| seb128 | some people like to keep things the way they have been done | 09:22 |
| seb128 | some others like to tweak history to make things cleaner | 09:22 |
| ricotz | seb128, i mean noise, it will look cleaner, and the official upload will get a nice changelog | 09:23 |
| seb128 | it's a matter of taste, none is better than the other | 09:23 |
| ricotz | ok, just my opinion | 09:23 |
| seb128 | I've no strong opinion but I just want to point that either is fine | 09:24 |
| seb128 | whoever is doing the work can decide | 09:24 |
| ricotz | ok ;) | 09:24 |
| seb128 | I tend to debuild -v<version_in_archive> to include the ppa upload changelog entries | 09:24 |
| seb128 | but if other people prefer to merge things before upload that's fine as well | 09:24 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, are you using natty already? | 09:25 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, so it is up to you then ;-) | 09:25 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, yes | 09:25 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 09:25 |
| rodrigo_ | I guess I need to upgrade asap | 09:25 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, keep a ppa version in the changelog for now | 09:26 |
| seb128 | I mean 0ubuntu2~something | 09:26 |
| seb128 | to not conflict with the official natty upload | 09:26 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 09:26 |
| rodrigo_ | I'll leave it as 0.26-0ubuntu1~ppa1 | 09:26 |
| rodrigo_ | well, 0ubuntu2, yeah :) | 09:27 |
| seb128 | thanks | 09:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, evo bug your way ;-) | 09:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, bug #670747 | 09:30 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 670747 in evolution (Ubuntu) "cannot import outlook pst file (addressbook, calendar, email) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670747 | 09:30 |
| didrocks | seb128: nooooooo, not from the morning! | 09:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, this one seems a one liner in the rules | 09:31 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure if you did it on purpose on not | 09:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: let me have a look | 09:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the pst-import is still listed in the control and .install | 09:32 |
| seb128 | you just let the --disable-pst-import from debian it seems | 09:32 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, "bzr merge" is your friend on this | 09:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: probably a merge error, right, as my previous SRU is still not accepted, I'll upload a new one | 09:33 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, yeah, I know, just that I got the patch in .txt for reviewing it, so it was easy to just patch < ... | 09:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: can you kill my previous evolution upload to maverick-proposed? | 09:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks ;-) | 09:33 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, no you didnt patched it right ;) | 09:34 |
| didrocks | thank to you :) | 09:34 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, oh? | 09:34 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, the patch itself is missing | 09:34 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, forgot to bzr add | 09:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, upload cleaned from the queue | 09:34 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks | 09:35 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, fixed now | 09:35 |
| * rodrigo_ upgrades to natty | 09:36 | |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, ok :P, but using "bzr merge" is the right thing | 09:36 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, yeah | 09:36 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, you are going to upload the gnome3 ppa packages to natty this week, right? | 09:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yes, likely later today or tomorrow | 09:39 |
| seb128 | why? | 09:39 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, just wanted to know :) | 09:39 |
| seb128 | well things in order, we will start this week | 09:39 |
| seb128 | we might need to wait until gtk3 built to upload other things | 09:39 |
| seb128 | so maybe earlier next week for some of the sources | 09:39 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, right | 09:39 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, could you triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-couchdb? | 09:46 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes | 09:46 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, there is only 19 bugs on it so it should be easy enough | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I just reassigned a bug about contact not being editable but I'm not sure what to ask on that | 09:47 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 09:47 |
| seb128 | there is also a "not synchronizing" bug with quite duplicate | 09:47 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, that's the couchdb error | 09:47 |
| seb128 | it might be due to the server issues during the maverick cycle and fixed | 09:47 |
| seb128 | in any case if you could drop some comments in bugs you have a clue about that would be nice ;-) | 09:48 |
| seb128 | thanks | 09:48 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 09:48 |
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| huats | morning | 10:42 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 10:48 |
| huats | hello seb128! | 10:49 |
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| asac | chrisccoulson: this paste being broken thing in gnome-terminal ... will you fix it? :) | 11:24 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - oh, i think i said i'd fix it ;) | 11:26 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: you said "today" on oct 13 ;) | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 11:27 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll try and look at that this week ;) | 11:27 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: it works if you open the top level Edit menu once | 11:58 |
| asac | so its probably a keyboard shortcut lazily getting initialized :) | 11:58 |
| nessita | good morning everyone | 12:34 |
| nessita | seb128: would you be able to sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.7/+merge/40077 ? | 12:34 |
| seb128 | nessita, hey | 12:34 |
| seb128 | sure | 12:34 |
| nessita | thanks! | 12:35 |
| seb128 | np | 12:35 |
| seb128 | it's a stable update right? | 12:35 |
| pitti | seb128: are you waiting for anything in NEW? | 12:36 |
| * pitti just NEWed vala, as requested by Robert | 12:36 | |
| pitti | but I can't see anything GTKish | 12:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, not yet, got sidetracked by post UDS reviews and catching up | 12:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, GTK will probably be latter today or tomorrow, I will drop you an email when I land it | 12:37 |
| pitti | seb128: that's fine; just want to make sure you aren't blocked on me | 12:37 |
| pitti | seb128: sounds great | 12:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks for checking | 12:37 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 12:37 | |
| seb128 | pitti, how if you ubuflu today? | 12:37 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 12:37 | |
| seb128 | urg | 12:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, how is your ubuflu today? | 12:38 |
| seb128 | I meant | 12:38 |
| pitti | seb128: it never reall broke out; I guess I'm just fighting with the very dry air here | 12:39 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:39 |
| nessita | seif the question was for me, yes, is a stable release | 12:41 |
| nessita | seb128: ^ | 12:41 |
| seb128 | nessita, it was, so don't panick if it doesn't go through until next week | 12:41 |
| seb128 | nessita, the proposed queue is frozen until next week for linaro | 12:41 |
| nessita | seb128: ah, ok | 12:41 |
| pitti | session o'clock, cu later | 12:53 |
| * rodrigo_ -> lunch | 13:07 | |
| nessita | hey guys, I'm building the natty package of ubuntu-sso-client, and when using bzr merge-upstream I'm getting: | 13:43 |
| nessita | nessita@dali:~/canonical/ubuntu/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.2$ bzr merge-upstream --version 1.1.2 ../ubuntu-sso-client_1.1.2.orig.tar.gz | 13:43 |
| nessita | Using distribution natty | 13:43 |
| nessita | bzr: ERROR: Unknown target distribution: natty | 13:43 |
| nessita | Any idea what's wrong? | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | nessita, distribution is ubuntu | 13:46 |
| kenvandine | you'll just need to manually change it to natty in debian/changelog | 13:47 |
| kenvandine | until you are on natty, then it will default to natty | 13:47 |
| nessita | kenvandine: but I'm not explicitly setting the distribution anywhere (I've never had) | 13:47 |
| nessita | I'm just running "bzr merge-upstream --version 1.1.2 ../ubuntu-sso-client_1.1.2.orig.tar.gz" | 13:48 |
| kenvandine | oh... weird | 13:48 |
| kenvandine | i have always added a --distribution ubuntu | 13:48 |
| kenvandine | because it had complained to me about not having that | 13:48 |
| nessita | kenvandine: for maverick packages, the exact same command always said "distribution maverick" | 13:48 |
| seb128 | nessita, you are on natty? | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | maybe it just doesn't know about natty yet | 13:49 |
| nessita | seb128: nopes | 13:49 |
| seb128 | ok, the maverick version probably doesn't know about natty | 13:49 |
| nessita | ah! | 13:49 |
| * kenvandine moved to natty yesterday, went smoothly | 13:49 | |
| seb128 | james_w or didrocks might know what you need to tweak to teach it | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | but now i fear upgrading every day :) | 13:50 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 13:50 |
| nessita | seb128: thanks, I'll ask | 13:50 |
| nessita | kenvandine: you, brave man! | 13:50 |
| nessita | james_w: ping | 13:50 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 13:50 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, bug #655252 | 13:50 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 655252 in indicator-me (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Hint not always hidden when the broadcast field is in use (affects: 22) (dups: 6) (heat: 84)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655252 | 13:50 |
| seb128 | what's going on with this one? | 13:50 |
| seb128 | seems it has been fixed in trunk? is there any release planned for natty or sru? | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | sigh... i don't know, dbarth_ has a fix that works for him | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | but not me | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | and his fixed worked sometimes for bratsche | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | but we couldn't figure out why! | 13:51 |
| kenvandine | dbarth_, ping ^^ | 13:51 |
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| dbarth | kenvandine: yep? | 13:53 |
| dbarth | oh, the hint issue is still there? | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | dbarth, can you look at that bug again? | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | yeah... your fix never worked for me | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | and only worked for cody sometimes | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | but we couldn't figure out why | 13:53 |
| kenvandine | i also tested in a pristine, fresh install of maverick | 13:53 |
| didrocks | nessita: it's written in debchange script | 13:53 |
| didrocks | nessita: /usr/bin/debchange | 13:54 |
| didrocks | nessita: add "natty" to unless ($opt_D =~ /^((dapper|hardy|jaunty|karmic|lucid|maverick) | 13:54 |
| dbarth | kenvandine: i remember, the fix only worked with indicator-loader, but there was more of the same grab issue when running on the panel | 13:54 |
| didrocks | also $DISTRIBUTION = 'natty' | 13:54 |
| didrocks | and finally $distribution = $opt_D || "natty"; | 13:54 |
| nessita | didrocks: awesome, thanks! | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | dbarth, yeah, but it didn't even work for me in the loader | 13:55 |
| didrocks | well, look for maverick, you will see what to change :) | 13:55 |
| didrocks | nessita: yw | 13:55 |
| seb128 | or just use --distribution ubuntu | 13:55 |
| seb128 | or copy a natty debchange version on your system | 13:55 |
| didrocks | seb128: it will apply "maverick" in maverick | 13:55 |
| dbarth | kenvandine: ok, i'll have another try with bratsche | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | thx | 13:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well then you can edit it by hand ;-) | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | dbarth, there was an assert too that we weren't sure if it was related | 13:56 |
| seb128 | dbarth, kenvandine: thanks | 13:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, but lazyness is sometimes good :) | 13:56 |
| didrocks | "# In Ubuntu uploads should go to maverick" <- wasn't changed in natty, not sure it worth an upload :) | 13:56 |
| nessita | didrocks: I don't think that's the issue since in /usr/bin/debchange I have natty already. And the error starts with bzr: | 13:58 |
| nessita | bzr: ERROR: Unknown target distribution: natty | 13:58 |
| seb128 | nessita, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-builddeb/+bug/668764 | 13:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 668764 in bzr-builddeb (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add Natty to the list of known distros (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] | 13:58 |
| nessita | Low?!?!?! | 13:59 |
| nessita | :-) | 13:59 |
| didrocks | nessita: it's not "bzr warning: Recognised distributions are"… ok, then it's not debchange (dch use "$program to fake it's the software which speaks to you :)) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | nessita, edit /usr/share/pyshared/bzrlib/plugins/builddeb/util.py | 13:59 |
| seb128 | nessita, try adding natty to UBUNTU_RELEASES | 14:00 |
| nessita | right | 14:00 |
| nessita | awesome, works | 14:00 |
| didrocks | I'm puzzled why we have it there as well and not only in dch, that will be a question for james_w :) | 14:00 |
| seb128 | nessita, great ;-) | 14:01 |
| didrocks | (also having that list just once in /etc will be nice, instead of multiple copies and own list in ~/.pbuilderrc as well) | 14:01 |
| james_w | please file a bug :-) | 14:03 |
| seb128 | hey james_w | 14:05 |
| james_w | hi seb128 | 14:06 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 14:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, bug #652771, do you know if that's still an issue? | 14:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 652771 in light-themes (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) ""Post message..." text in MeMenu is unreadable with default Ambiance theme (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 46)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652771 | 14:06 |
| seb128 | Cimi, ^ | 14:07 |
| seb128 | pedro_, hey | 14:07 |
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| pedro_ | hello seb128! | 14:07 |
| seb128 | pedro_, how are you? | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | seb128, imo it is still a problem | 14:07 |
| seb128 | grumpf | 14:07 |
| james_w | seb128, good thanks, how are you? | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | it hasn't gotten any better, but from what i hear it is how design wants it | 14:08 |
| seb128 | james_w, I'm fine thanks ;-) | 14:08 |
| seb128 | james_w, nice to be back without ubuflu this time | 14:08 |
| pedro_ | seb128, better now, recovering from the darn ubuflu :-/. how are you? | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | seb128, it is supposed to be insensitive, but in ambiance that is really hard to see | 14:08 |
| seb128 | pedro_, I'm fine thanks | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | in radiance it looks fine | 14:08 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's hard to read it seems | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | Cimi, any more insight? I was told that was on purpose | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | it's just with the dark theme, insensitive is nearly impossible to read | 14:10 |
| * kenvandine wonders why people actually subscribe to my identi.ca test account.... | 14:18 | |
| kenvandine | do they really enjoy reading "testing" "test 1 2 3" | 14:19 |
| Cimi | kenvandine: we might want to change it | 14:23 |
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| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, hey, have you thought of creating a test that the QA team could automatically run daily? | 14:33 |
| rickspencer3 | a set of daily tests to make sure Gwibber is still working? | 14:34 |
| rickspencer3 | could ensure that libgwibber keeps working too | 14:34 |
| jcastro | hey seb128 | 14:34 |
| seb128 | hello jcastro | 14:35 |
| jcastro | mark says "Jorge, I believe the current plan is that the GNOME 2 session (panel etc) would always be installed on every system anyway, so will be an option at first login and not require a special trip via the Software Center to get it " | 14:35 |
| jcastro | I just want to double confirm. :) | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, have thought about it, but haven't figured out how to automate it | 14:35 |
| seb128 | confirmed | 14:35 |
| jcastro | ta | 14:35 |
| seb128 | jcastro, ^ | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i am also thinking about trying to use dbus-test-runner | 14:35 |
| seb128 | jcastro, it will be used as a 2d session anyway | 14:36 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, well, the QA team is going to run tests daily, automatically, using mago | 14:36 |
| jcastro | seb128: thanks | 14:36 |
| rickspencer3 | so you can drive Gwibber through the UI, and ensure that if it breaks, you find out right away | 14:36 |
| dobey | the hard part of testing something like gwibber, will be the authentication bits | 14:36 |
| rickspencer3 | and don't have to worry about it | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i would like to find a way to run tests with auth and real data from the services | 14:37 |
| rickspencer3 | dobey, well, mago should be able to automated the sign on and such | 14:37 |
| rickspencer3 | I think webkit is sufficiently accessible at this point | 14:37 |
| kenvandine | actually i hadn't really thought about mago | 14:37 |
| dobey | rickspencer3: i don't think you can do much with webkit with mago? | 14:37 |
| rickspencer3 | ara ^ | 14:37 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, afaik, it isn't completely not a11y | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | one of the reasons we are trying to get away from webkit | 14:38 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, I think it might be sufficiently, so | 14:38 |
| rickspencer3 | they've done a lot of work on it recently | 14:38 |
| seb128 | speaking of webkit | 14:38 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, there? | 14:38 |
| rickspencer3 | anyway, it's an HTML DOM, so you can just inject whatever you want, anyway, with a little work | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | but has it made it down to pywebkitgtk | 14:38 |
| seb128 | TheMuso, you said webkit accessibility was still an issue for the GNOME documentation? | 14:38 |
| dobey | kenvandine: a11y being there has nothing to do with the bindings | 14:39 |
| rickspencer3 | knowing right away that auth broke for twitter and/or facebook would be really handy | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, indeed! | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | and... | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | if the API changes | 14:39 |
| dobey | kenvandine: what matters is finding the form buttons in the a11y tree, which may difficult as some sites do some crazy stuff for that | 14:39 |
| rickspencer3 | right, that would be part of it breaking, they break us ;) | 14:39 |
| ara | yes, I don't think webkit can be automated using a11y, but maybe with a combination of a11y for the gtk parts, and some other (dbus api?) for the rest | 14:39 |
| rickspencer3 | ara, do you think you can automated signing into a twitter account with gwibber? | 14:40 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, ara: also... all the bits of the UI that we would be driving is webkit currently :/ | 14:40 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, I have no doubt that this can be automated | 14:41 |
| ara | rickspencer3, mmm, my first thought is that it is going to be complicated, but we can always try something out | 14:41 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm not willing to accept that it's not possible | 14:41 |
| rickspencer3 | it could be "work", yes, but not impossible | 14:41 |
| dobey | it's software, nothing is impossible | 14:41 |
| dobey | it's just a matter of how much tedium it is | 14:41 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, yeah... question is finding the time to do it :/ | 14:42 |
| rickspencer3 | it's also html in a browser, which is inherently easy to get control of | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, it will get much easier soon, i think | 14:42 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, well, automated testing is the QA team's biggest priority this release | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | excellent :) | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | i will take any help i can get :) | 14:42 |
| rickspencer3 | did I not make this clear at UDS? | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | yes... you did :) | 14:42 |
| dobey | rickspencer3: well, as soon as you alter the html, you end up with a higher probability that an breakage is actually you, and not the site you're trying to interact with | 14:42 |
| rickspencer3 | Unity, 2d Experience, Software Center, *Testing*, Contributions | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | i have talked to developers from other twitter clients... amazingly none of them have unit tests! | 14:43 |
| rickspencer3 | dobey, you don't have to alter it, just get control of the widgets and inject your strings into textboxes and click the buttons | 14:43 |
| rickspencer3 | c'mon, you can't tell me that it's rocket science to automate driving a web page, people do this all the time | 14:44 |
| dobey | rickspencer3: right, and we should really require the a11y framework to do that. becuase if the a11y framework can't do it, it's a bug we should be gettinf xied | 14:44 |
| kenvandine | i am hoping in the next couple of weeks we can string together a minimally functional client which is pure gtk | 14:44 |
| dobey | rather than writing some JS to inspect the dom and insert text and submit forms | 14:44 |
| rickspencer3 | dobey, right ... we always wait to start testing and ensure quality until some other condition is met | 14:45 |
| rickspencer3 | that's bs | 14:45 |
| dobey | no | 14:45 |
| dobey | that's not what i said | 14:46 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm just saying, we could write a test now that would detect breakage right away, we shouldn't wait until we have a perfectly testable platform | 14:46 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, so i would rather start testing the backend, independant of the client | 14:46 |
| dobey | using the JS method as a crutch is fine, but it should be a fallback for when the a11y is failing, and we should report that the a11y is failing | 14:47 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, interesting discussion there in the testing community | 14:47 |
| rickspencer3 | some people think you should always test the GUI, because that drives the backend, and you get testing for both in one go | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | before spending a bunch of time creating tests for piece of the UI that is very likely going to be replaced very soon | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i agree completely... | 14:47 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, well, if there are tests in place for the GUI, then when you change the GUI, you change the tests at the same time | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | but there are cases where you can't, especially with gwibber | 14:48 |
| rickspencer3 | if you always wait until the GUI is "done" you never write those tests | 14:48 |
| seb128 | well testing the GUI is nice | 14:48 |
| dobey | i wonder how much even basic stuff gwibber isn't doing | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, in theory... but if the new GUI has now webkit... | 14:48 |
| seb128 | but it's somewhat harder so usually people start by testing the backends | 14:48 |
| dobey | like, using pylint/pep8 | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | dobey, oh god, i don't want to even know :) | 14:48 |
| rickspencer3 | haha | 14:48 |
| rickspencer3 | in any case, Gwibber is core to the desktop | 14:49 |
| rickspencer3 | we should be testing it daily | 14:49 |
| rickspencer3 | it integrates all over the place | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | i know it will bitch like crazy over the indenting :) | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, yes... i agree | 14:49 |
| seb128 | dobey, do you need to be pep8 to work with testing tools? | 14:49 |
| dobey | you really need to separate integration/acceptance/unit/etc... tests properly too | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | no | 14:49 |
| dobey | seb128: no, you can write totally shit code and have passing tests if you want | 14:49 |
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| seb128 | well the number of spaces you use doesn't really reflect code quality | 14:50 |
| dobey | seb128: but better code == better software, and using the lintian tools helps ensure better code quality | 14:50 |
| seb128 | right | 14:50 |
| rickspencer3 | they are both important | 14:50 |
| rickspencer3 | if you care about your code lasting, anyway | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, my point is if the amount of effort to get automated GUI tests with the current webkit stuff is high, better to make the new UI with real a11y a higher priority so the testing is easier... right? | 14:50 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, I don't believe it is that high | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | instead of investing a bunch of work and throw it away | 14:51 |
| rickspencer3 | but I am skeptical that the "new GUI" is going to be ready any time soon | 14:51 |
| dobey | which is why we're working on making all the u1 python code pass pylint and pep8 cleanly | 14:51 |
| rickspencer3 | you always "throw tests away" when the thing that you are testing changes, or goes away | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i was until UDS... but it seems to have traction now | 14:51 |
| dobey | and why we're building with -Wall -Werror when landing code now | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, of course... | 14:52 |
| rickspencer3 | also, it would only be the code that drives the UI that changes | 14:52 |
| rickspencer3 | all the code for loading the fixtures, checking for results, etc... would all remain in place | 14:52 |
| rickspencer3 | and gwibber is not the only thing that uses webkit, so knowing how to test it would be generally good, anyway | 14:52 |
| dobey | kenvandine: gwibber would probably benefit a lot from some of the stuff in ubuntuone-dev-tools | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | i don't know much about js and manipulating the DOM, but from what ryan and others have said it is nearly impossible with our current python-mako/python-webkitgtk stuff | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | dobey, i'll look today | 14:53 |
| dobey | kenvandine: like the test runner, to run tests against a private dbus-daemon instance | 14:54 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, one thing we can't test for in current gwibber with the UI, is all the transient errors we ignore | 14:54 |
| kenvandine | dobey, have you seen dbus-test-runner? | 14:54 |
| dobey | kenvandine: and i'm making that bit more generic so we can add other private instance services for testing, like keyring | 14:54 |
| dobey | kenvandine: no | 14:54 |
| * kenvandine suspects you guys recreated what tedg did | 14:54 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:54 |
| dobey | kenvandine: but i think it's different | 14:54 |
| dobey | kenvandine: our thing doesn't drive test through dbus, it's to prevent your dbus-using code in tests from interacting with live services | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i'll talk to ara to figure out what we should do asap | 14:55 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, ack | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | dobey, ah, i think dbus-test-runner does both | 14:55 |
| rickspencer3 | don't forget, automated testing is a top priority | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, gotcha! | 14:55 |
| rickspencer3 | if you have to choose between writing a test and a feature | 14:55 |
| rickspencer3 | choose wisely ;) | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:55 |
| dobey | kenvandine: well it's written for dealing with stuff in C/Vala too | 14:56 |
| dobey | kenvandine: and our thing is for python unit test stuff :) | 14:56 |
| dobey | kenvandine: as i understand it, anyway | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | dobey, let me get opinion from you? i know you rarely have strong opinions | 15:05 |
| kenvandine | dobey, i have toyed with the idea of splitting the service modules out into separate dbus services, like telepathy does | 15:06 |
| kenvandine | instead of having a big monolithic dispatcher that does everything and is long running | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | so having the dispatcher that really just handles when and what gets done and handles the results | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | then the service modules could be independent, and even kill themselves after they complete their job | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | it would also simplify testing, because we could use dbus to test running operations | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | and... i think it could help us improve the threading situation we have now | 15:08 |
| dobey | well you could test each module independently and in better isolation too | 15:08 |
| nessita | may I have a sponsorship for a natty package? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.2/+merge/40103 | 15:08 |
| kenvandine | dobey, right | 15:09 |
| kenvandine | i also don't think it would be much work | 15:09 |
| dobey | kenvandine: i suppose the main issue (which is probably a currenty issue anyway), is dealing with the timing and coordination of services, so you don't end up refreshing twitter 5 times simultaneously, if it's taking too long | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | that isn't an issue right now | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | but we could handle that | 15:10 |
| kenvandine | i think it would be a huge improvement for testing purposes | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | and make the long running process more efficient | 15:11 |
| dobey | if the code is done right, i don't think it much matters one way or the other, but the current code is definitely not right :) | 15:11 |
| seb128 | nessita, ok | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | and, people could then write plugins in any language they like | 15:11 |
| nessita | seb128: thanks! | 15:12 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 15:12 |
| dobey | hrmm, need to do several MIR for narwhal | 15:12 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: hey, for tomboy in unity for A1, we're doing the quicklist thing so that tomboy only appears in the launcher right? | 15:14 |
| jcastro | we don't need it in the panel any more right? | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | i think so | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | they need to add a flag to make appindicator only display in unity | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | or quicklist rather | 15:15 |
| kenvandine | which i ran into with gwibber | 15:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, https://code.launchpad.net/~kelemeng/software-properties/bug657835/+merge/38088 | 15:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, can you review that please? | 15:15 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: when you run into how to do that lmk or throw it in the wiki, I'll need to point app developers to it. | 15:16 |
| jcastro | so they can just go in the launcher and not clutter up the top bar | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | ok, you can't right now | 15:16 |
| jcastro | right, I know we're blocking on ted. :) | 15:16 |
| mvo | seb128: sure | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:16 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | jcastro, right now i am exploiting a bug in unity to make it not show in both places | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | but lets not make tomboy do that | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | if njpatel fixes that bug before tedg adds the flag... i'll get both back | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | it's a race :) | 15:17 |
| njpatel | lol | 15:17 |
| jcastro | kenvandine: what are we calling it when we blacklist apps from the top bar? Surely not "launcherify", which is what I've been calling it. | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | haha | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | not sure | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | i like that term :) | 15:21 |
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| cyphermox | I wrote this quick-ish script to parse entries from NEWS files and massage them into changelog -compatible format | 16:05 |
| cyphermox | http://paste.ubuntu.com/525741/ | 16:06 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, great, we had some hackish scripts to get number or formatting changelogs going around with didrocks | 16:06 |
| seb128 | yours seems better though | 16:06 |
| seb128 | we should probably start standardizing those in the team | 16:07 |
| seb128 | I usually just use "- bug title (lp: #)" | 16:07 |
| cyphermox | just going a bit farther but it's inspired on a previous discussion on this with didrocks | 16:07 |
| seb128 | no upstream bug numbers or (authors), it becomes hard to read otherwise | 16:07 |
| cyphermox | it ends up looking like this for evolution: http://paste.ubuntu.com/525742/ | 16:07 |
| cyphermox | right | 16:07 |
| cyphermox | it's easy enough to filter out those, at least for the names I had already written the regex for it | 16:08 |
| seb128 | I will start a discussion about collecting those and making them standard | 16:08 |
| seb128 | it's probably a meeting topic for next week or at least worth mentioning then | 16:08 |
| cyphermox | cool, yeah | 16:11 |
| seb128 | do we have anybody there still running lucid somewhere? | 16:14 |
| cyphermox | pbuilder chroot fine? | 16:14 |
| seb128 | bug #501207 | 16:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 501207 in brasero (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "sound-juicer, rhythmbox, nautilus crash at audio CD insertion (affects: 18) (dups: 2) (heat: 106)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501207 | 16:19 |
| seb128 | looking for somebody to work on the sru basically | 16:19 |
| seb128 | if somebody wants feel free to claim it | 16:19 |
| seb128 | we might just want to do the 2.30.3 update | 16:19 |
| seb128 | or backport the fixes, which seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/501207/+attachment/1465325/+files/brasero.working.lucid.patch | 16:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 501207 in brasero (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "sound-juicer, rhythmbox, nautilus crash at audio CD insertion (affects: 18) (dups: 2) (heat: 106)" [Medium,New] | 16:19 |
| cyphermox | wow, that's pretty bad | 16:25 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, still around at all? | 16:25 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, yes | 16:25 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, any progress this week specific to the 2d experience? | 16:25 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, it seems to not happen to everybody or every time but yeah it can be annoying | 16:26 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, in which regard? I would think the response is a no since we don't plan to change lot... | 16:26 |
| cyphermox | seb128, there's just one thing I want to get out of the way but then I could steal a machine here and provision it to lucid to try to work on this | 16:26 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, yeah, understood | 16:27 |
| rickspencer3 | it's a priority, so I was hoping to report on some progress for it each week | 16:27 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, but in any case "no", just catching up post UDS and merges from debian | 16:27 |
| rickspencer3 | but it doesn't seem very specific | 16:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: the only change is the first applet, isn't it? to use the one with the ubuntu logo? | 16:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, change to what? | 16:27 |
| seb128 | didrocks, lack of context I think | 16:27 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I can do weekly summaries but there is not a lot to say for this week | 16:28 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, you will get one next week ;-) | 16:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: for the 2D experience, the first applet presented would be the "main menu" applet with only the ubuntu logo | 16:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ?! | 16:28 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, don't do weekly summaries | 16:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, where did you get that from? | 16:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: was discussed in the 2D experience session | 16:28 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll glean what I need from activity reports and running the system | 16:28 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, can you paste a link to the blueprint | 16:29 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ok, feel free to ping with questions in any case | 16:29 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, I think didrocks is correct, there were some modest changes planned to make 2D a bit more like Unity | 16:29 |
| seb128 | we said we would match unity | 16:29 |
| rickspencer3 | and there would be the global menu, of course ;) | 16:29 |
| seb128 | just use the indicator complet applet basically | 16:29 |
| rickspencer3 | there, I said it | 16:29 |
| seb128 | but still keep the 2 bars and most of the layout | 16:29 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-dx-n-2d-experience-fallback | 16:30 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, yeah, I think you'll need to think through the upgrade experience vs. the fresh install experience | 16:30 |
| rickspencer3 | and be conservative in the upgrade case | 16:30 |
| seb128 | right | 16:30 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi | 16:31 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey | 16:31 |
| ricotz | seb128, thanks for vala ;) | 16:31 |
| ricotz | if you did that | 16:31 |
| seb128 | no, pitti did | 16:31 |
| seb128 | but you're welcome ;-) | 16:31 |
| pitti | vala FTW | 16:32 |
| ricotz | seb128, have you noticed that libvala-0.12-dev isnt providing libvala-dev? | 16:32 |
| ricotz | is this intended? | 16:32 |
| ricotz | pitti, ^ | 16:32 |
| pitti | certainly not; there should be a libvala-dev IMHO | 16:32 |
| ricotz | looks like robert dropped that provide | 16:33 |
| ricotz | libvala-dev is still provided by the old 0.10 package | 16:34 |
| ricotz | so it this might need to be fixed :( | 16:34 |
| seb128 | right | 16:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, the spec was not really clear by calling the applet [XXX correct name required] Gnome Menu applet, | 16:43 |
| seb128 | we need to change the indicator applets to use the unified one as well | 16:44 |
| seb128 | and add the appmenu one | 16:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: agreed | 16:44 |
| didrocks | and datetime as well? | 16:44 |
| seb128 | well that's not an applet | 16:45 |
| seb128 | it will be in the unified indicator | 16:45 |
| seb128 | we just need to seed it | 16:45 |
| didrocks | right | 16:45 |
| didrocks | and deal with removing the older one then? | 16:45 |
| didrocks | as what was done with the user switching? | 16:45 |
| seb128 | no | 16:46 |
| seb128 | I don't plan to try to tweak updates | 16:46 |
| didrocks | so, two date/time widget on upgrade? | 16:46 |
| seb128 | no way ;-) | 16:47 |
| didrocks | you want to make datetime indicator hide if the applet is present? | 16:47 |
| seb128 | the way we handled the user switching is by providing the same bonobo id | 16:47 |
| didrocks | ok, not possible for datetime then | 16:47 |
| seb128 | in the new case I think I will just make the first session run script delete the applet of the config if the indicator is on | 16:47 |
| didrocks | I was sure it was hackish :) | 16:47 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, rebooting into natty (/me crosses fingers) | 16:48 |
| seb128 | it's a bit hackish as well | 16:48 |
| seb128 | but I don't have any better idea right now | 16:48 |
| seb128 | well "if the indicator is on and datetime installed" | 16:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: TBH, I think I'll need this script as well for compiz settings migration (enabling unity plugin and such) so can be useful (but hackish, right) | 16:48 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:49 |
| seb128 | I will probably do an email to collect migrations we need to do this cycle at some point | 16:49 |
| seb128 | then we can decide where we put the migration code | 16:50 |
| didrocks | sound like a plan :) | 16:50 |
| seb128 | 16:50 | |
| seb128 | hey english speakers | 16:50 |
| seb128 | - N_("Show user own process"), MY_PROCESSES } | 16:50 |
| seb128 | + N_("Show user owned processes"), MY_PROCESSES } | 16:50 |
| seb128 | sounds fine to you? | 16:50 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, natty works, we can release today :) | 16:57 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, new evo bug your way | 16:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you need to keep the one evo bug a day running ;-) | 16:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's two for today! "count exceeded" :) | 16:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, keep it for tomorrow ;-) | 16:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's just the manpage not describing the --express | 16:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: depends, can treat it today if you upgrade to the "premium count" :) | 16:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no hurry to fix nor sru needed | 16:59 |
| didrocks | account* | 16:59 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I've a premium whip, does it work as well? :-p | 16:59 |
| * didrocks runs… | 16:59 | |
| * seb128 hugs didrocks | 16:59 | |
| didrocks | :) | 16:59 |
| * didrocks hugs seb128 | 16:59 | |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, let's got that SRU accepted first, can queue it later with other bugs | 16:59 |
| seb128 | right | 16:59 |
| seb128 | mpt, hey | 17:03 |
| mpt | hi seb128 | 17:03 |
| seb128 | mpt, | 17:03 |
| seb128 | - N_("Show user own process"), MY_PROCESSES } | 17:03 |
| seb128 | + N_("Show user owned processes"), MY_PROCESSES } | 17:03 |
| seb128 | does that seem fine to you? | 17:03 |
| seb128 | that's the statusbar text for the gnome-system-monitor entry to display only the processes of the current user | 17:03 |
| mpt | What are user owned processes? | 17:03 |
| seb128 | mpt, https://launchpad.net/bugs/214148 | 17:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 214148 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Bad status tip on My Processes menu (heat: 7)" [Low,Triaged] | 17:04 |
| mpt | oh, I see it | 17:04 |
| mpt | seb128, should be "user-owned", not "user owned" | 17:04 |
| seb128 | mpt, can you drop a comment in the bug saying that? | 17:05 |
| mpt | k | 17:05 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 17:05 |
| mpt | done | 17:07 |
| seb128 | mpt, thank you | 17:08 |
| jcastro | seb128: didrocks: I split up the work items in the application selection blueprint to be more milestone based, adjust if needed. | 17:09 |
| seb128 | jcastro, ok | 17:09 |
| mpt | seb128, in return, could you please let through the message that ckpringle has just sent to gnomecc-list@? :-) | 17:10 |
| seb128 | mpt, done | 17:11 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, we have a lot of patches in g-s-d package, looking at applying them upstream | 17:12 |
| didrocks | jcastro: ok, thanks :) | 17:12 |
| seb128 | jcastro, could you change mono-team for an existing one? | 17:13 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, great | 17:13 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ask there if you don't know what patches do | 17:13 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, so far they seem easy | 17:14 |
| rodrigo_ | but yeah, will ask | 17:14 |
| rodrigo_ | we need to review them all, since most of them won't apply | 17:14 |
| rodrigo_ | in 2.91, so it'd be better to have them upstream | 17:14 |
| jcastro | seb128: well, it needs a person right? I didn't just want to assign them to laney without asking | 17:15 |
| Laney | jcastro: we have ubuntu-cli-mono-dev which is a LP team | 17:15 |
| Laney | dunno if that works | 17:15 |
| Laney | otherwise I am fine for that | 17:15 |
| seb128 | re | 17:16 |
| seb128 | jcastro, sorry got some wifi installability | 17:17 |
| seb128 | changing ap in use | 17:17 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, one question, why do we change the .ad files installed by g-s-d in /usr/share/gnome-settings-daemon/xrdb/* to /etc/gnome/config ? | 17:17 |
| seb128 | jcastro, I think a team works as well | 17:17 |
| Laney | yeah i suggested ubuntu-cli-mono-dev | 17:17 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, because /etc is for system config I think | 17:17 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, the debian and ubuntu systems preserve changes to files in etc on upgrade | 17:18 |
| seb128 | where it just replaces those in /usr | 17:18 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, ok | 17:18 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, so if we put something in /etc sysadmins can tweak them | 17:18 |
| rodrigo_ | so not sure why g-s-d installs that stuff in share | 17:18 |
| seb128 | dunno either | 17:18 |
| rodrigo_ | well, it installs it there, and then it reads from /etc/xrdb | 17:19 |
| seb128 | seems buggy | 17:19 |
| jcastro | fixed | 17:19 |
| seb128 | I guess nobody cares about xrdb out of us | 17:19 |
| seb128 | jcastro, thanks! | 17:19 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, 02_fix_randr.patch might just need to be dropped | 17:20 |
| seb128 | we might want to look what happens without it | 17:20 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, I was waiting for federico to ask him | 17:20 |
| rodrigo_ | but he's not around | 17:20 |
| seb128 | I doubt configs just fail to apply for other distros, it probably got fixed differently | 17:20 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, looks so | 17:20 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, 02_missing_libs.patch is probably safe to apply | 17:20 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah | 17:21 |
| seb128 | 03_maintainer_mode.patch is a matter of taste | 17:21 |
| seb128 | it's useful for distro because it means autotools will not be ran when you do any patching | 17:21 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you can ignore 08_xrandr_command.patch for trunk | 17:22 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, it just reverted a commit that changed the command for the new g-c-c | 17:22 |
| seb128 | but since 2.32 still had the old g-c-c... | 17:23 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah | 17:23 |
| seb128 | it might be something to commit to gnome-2-32 though | 17:23 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, 70_migrate_touchpad_config.patch can be dropped | 17:24 |
| seb128 | it was a migration from our old capplet tab to the one which went upstream | 17:24 |
| seb128 | some of the gconf keys were different | 17:24 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 17:25 |
| seb128 | 91_update_gvc_source.patch has a bug upstream | 17:25 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, we probably could have dropped the touchapd one last cycle, sorry, i forgot about that ;) | 17:26 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, don't worry, I'll drop it now :) | 17:26 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 17:26 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, 99_ltmain_as-needed.patch is a debian thing to workaround libtool issues | 17:26 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, don't worry about it | 17:27 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, so, can be dropped | 17:27 |
| rodrigo_ | ? | 17:27 |
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| seb128 | yes | 17:27 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 17:27 |
| seb128 | it's fixed with the dso build in the new toolchain | 17:27 |
| seb128 | ie --as--needed by default | 17:27 |
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| Laney | really? | 17:28 |
| Laney | that's awesome! | 17:28 |
| Laney | can it be upstreamed? debian has been arguing about this for ages it seems | 17:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking | 17:29 |
| seb128 | I think it's fixed by that | 17:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, but it's for next cycle for debian | 17:29 |
| Laney | great | 17:30 |
| Laney | look forward to dropping those | 17:30 |
| * rodrigo_ needs to do some shopping, bbl | 17:38 | |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm quite unclear if there is still needed to patch ltmain.sh to take -Wl,--as-needed by default or if it's passed directly to the linker now (as ltmain.sh comes from upstream autotools) | 17:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, doko asked me to drop those ltmain.sh patches | 17:43 |
| seb128 | he said it breaks things with the new toolchain rather | 17:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, great then :) | 17:43 |
| hyperair | ooh, if those 99 ltmain patches are dropped, then i can use 3.0 (quilt) for autoreconf'd packages! right now i need to hook onto dh_quilt_patch and make sure autogen is run first | 17:43 |
| didrocks | so, it's directly the linker dealing with it | 17:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right | 17:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: good news, thanks for the info | 17:44 |
| seb128 | np | 17:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you can read the first lines of http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking about that | 17:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, even after reading it yesterday, I was still unclear if it was just -Wl,--as-needed by default but if ltmain.sh was still needed or not to be patched to take that option | 17:47 |
| seb128 | I think not | 17:47 |
| seb128 | I could be wrong though but doko asked to drop those patches so I think we should be ok | 17:47 |
| didrocks | yeah, if doko told you that, it should be ok :) (just I don't like black magic. Hope to get some time to ask him/have a look :)) | 17:48 |
| ari-tczew | seb128: about bug 470550: it won't be applied. see more on branch comments. | 18:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 470550 in coreutils (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "uname -p and uname -i reporting `unknown' (affects: 5) (heat: 44)" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470550 | 18:02 |
| seb128 | ari-tczew, thanks, I unsubscribe the sponsors | 18:03 |
| ari-tczew | Sure. Dunno why ubuntu-sponsors exist there. | 18:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could you sponsor bug #84853? | 18:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 84853 in yelp (Ubuntu) "too many instances of "Ubuntu" on yelp frontpage (dups: 1) (heat: 17)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84853 | 18:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure | 18:05 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:05 |
| didrocks | yw | 18:06 |
| seb128 | mvo, could you add https://code.launchpad.net/~ronj/software-properties/doubleclickSourceline/+merge/23891 to your review list as well? | 18:10 |
| mvo | seb128: sure, thanks | 18:11 |
| mvo | seb128: looks like you are on a review freezy today :) | 18:11 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks you | 18:11 |
| seb128 | mvo, yeah, trying to clean the sponsoring queue a bit | 18:11 |
| seb128 | it didn't get much work since release | 18:11 |
| seb128 | or at least main didn't | 18:11 |
| seb128 | the universe part is clean ;-) | 18:11 |
| mvo | yeah | 18:11 |
| mvo | really? crazy! | 18:12 |
| and471 | hey mvo how was uds? | 18:15 |
| mvo | hey and471 | 18:16 |
| mvo | and471: nice, you saw us on the live stream, right .) ? | 18:16 |
| and471 | mvo, well yeah I heard you :) | 18:17 |
| mvo | and471: heh :) | 18:20 |
| mvo | and471: kind of spooky to be on TV | 18:20 |
| mvo | (well, stream) | 18:20 |
| and471 | mvo, I watched at bit of the video recordings afterwards tho, so for the general ui session, yes I did see you guys :D | 18:21 |
| mvo | and471: you have the advantage over us now! next uds you will be able to identify us | 18:22 |
| and471 | mvo, it was quite spooky as well when I typed in a question, and then I'd hear later "There is a question on IRC from andrew ...." | 18:22 |
| and471 | mvo, well yeah, during the video stream I tried to look at launchpad profile pics to see who everyone was | 18:23 |
| and471 | mvo, or guess from the conversation | 18:23 |
| and471 | mvo, I guess that it quite a shock at uds, especially for those who live farther away form you, you have no clue what they look like, or how they sound, just their IRC nick :) | 18:25 |
| and471 | *from | 18:25 |
| and471 | mvo, I have been working on this just recently, I used nzmm's great developerweek session http://videobin.org/+2d2/2nm.html | 18:27 |
| and471 | it is an iphone style on/off toggle switch | 18:27 |
| and471 | mvo, also more SC related, here is something to think about http://videobin.org/+2ao/2l8.html , with the actual video here http://ubuntuone.com/p/Nlk/ | 18:31 |
| mvo | and471: thanks, watching | 18:32 |
| and471 | mvo, np | 18:33 |
| mvo | and471: heh :) a video | 18:33 |
| mvo | and471: a video in a video! (video (video)) | 18:33 |
| mvo | and471: that is actually a longer term goal | 18:33 |
| and471 | mvo, the ubuntuone link is a better video that I improved | 18:33 |
| and471 | mvo, cool | 18:34 |
| mvo | and471: but we don't have a good server yet | 18:34 |
| mvo | and471: it should be easy on the client, the server part needs a bit of love | 18:34 |
| and471 | mvo, I had the idea of 30-second videos, so that we can really squeeze it all in and be at a good file size | 18:34 |
| mvo | and471: how big are those? | 18:34 |
| and471 | mvo, the webm file is only 1.3mb | 18:34 |
| and471 | mvo, and that it quite good (I think) | 18:34 |
| mvo | and471: I think thats a great idea, the server code is not hard | 18:35 |
| and471 | *is | 18:35 |
| mvo | and471: woah | 18:35 |
| mvo | and471: \o/ | 18:35 |
| and471 | mvo, webm is pretty awesome and open as well! | 18:35 |
| and471 | mvo, also I figured that without sound, it seems a bit strange, so I had the idea that you can use sound, but only sound from the package itself | 18:35 |
| mvo | and471: sounds good - the stuff in use is "debshots" on the server | 18:37 |
| mvo | and471: I think it should be straightforard to extend that | 18:38 |
| and471 | yeah, I guess you would have to merge that and videobin to get what we want :) | 18:38 |
| mvo | and471: its all nice python | 18:38 |
| and471 | mvo, I have to confess I have never used djanjo | 18:38 |
| and471 | (i think it is in djanjo) | 18:38 |
| mvo | its something else, but I forgot what it was - but it is | 18:39 |
| mvo | straightfop | 18:39 |
| mvo | forward | 18:39 |
| mvo | I hacked a little in it | 18:39 |
| mvo | and the upstream guy is super nice | 18:39 |
| and471 | yeah I emailed him a bit about something..can't remember | 18:40 |
| and471 | and he seemed cool | 18:40 |
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| and471 | mvo, anyway if you see nzmm tell him thanks for that custom widget tutorial | 18:40 |
| and471 | and if you see mpt, could you show him that custom widget screencast? His networking mockups have that widget, this was actually the inspiration to start making it :) | 18:41 |
| and471 | mvo, I shall start trying to do some SC stuff soon, I have just been floating around between projects, but SC is a lot nicer to work on :) | 18:42 |
| kiwinote | ;) | 18:42 |
| and471 | :) | 18:42 |
| and471 | hey kiwinote | 18:42 |
| kiwinote | hey andy | 18:43 |
| mvo | and471: heh - yeah! with gstreamer he video should be straightforwward | 18:43 |
| mvo | hey kiwinote! did you had a good trip back? | 18:43 |
| and471 | kiwinote, are you in the uk? | 18:43 |
| mvo | and471: network widget? | 18:44 |
| and471 | umm | 18:44 |
| and471 | mvo, not for SC, this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking | 18:44 |
| and471 | under “Network Settings” window | 18:44 |
| kiwinote | hey mvo - yep it was quite a smooth trip back. How about you - did you manage to find something to do during your wait at the airport? | 18:44 |
| mvo | and471: aha, ok | 18:45 |
| and471 | mvo, mpt is a busy guy :) | 18:45 |
| kiwinote | and471: yep, in the uk during term time, nl most of the rest of the time | 18:45 |
| mvo | kiwinote: yeah, plenty of other people around | 18:45 |
| mvo | kiwinote: so it was fine :) | 18:45 |
| mvo | and471: indeed | 18:45 |
| and471 | kiwinote, ah I never knew! where do you go? | 18:45 |
| kiwinote | uni of warwick | 18:45 |
| and471 | kiwinote, studying? | 18:46 |
| kiwinote | yep - maths | 18:46 |
| and471 | kiwinote, nice :) | 18:46 |
| kiwinote | and471: how about you - coming to uni soon, or still at high school? | 18:47 |
| and471 | kiwinote, sixth form college | 18:47 |
| and471 | kiwinote, so in two years uni :) | 18:47 |
| kiwinote | computer science or something else? (or undecided as of now ;) ) | 18:48 |
| and471 | kiwinote, probs maths or computer science | 18:48 |
| kiwinote | nice ;) | 18:48 |
| and471 | hehe | 18:49 |
| kiwinote | if you happen to come past for an open day, be sure to give a shout ;) | 18:49 |
| and471 | will do :) | 18:49 |
| and471 | kiwinote, mvo, anyway gotta go, nice speaking to you both, and see ya soon! | 18:49 |
| kiwinote | see you | 18:49 |
| mvo | have fun | 18:49 |
| didrocks | ok, dinner, sport and sleep :) see you tomorrow | 18:54 |
| mterry | seb128, heyo, was gtk3 good? Should it go to natty? | 19:12 |
| TheMuso | c | 19:12 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: heyo, around? | 19:34 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: I want to runs something by you about the new-apps spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-opportunistic-apps-stable-release | 19:35 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: basically, after related discussions at UDS, I can identify no additional work that needs to be done in Software Center for this in Natty | 19:37 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: so I'm thinking of retargeting back to maverick, as it is essentially complete | 19:37 |
| tremolux | kiwinote: hey! | 19:40 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, yeah, I believe software-center itself can sit tight for this cycle | 19:53 |
| rickspencer3 | (related to new apps) | 19:53 |
| rickspencer3 | mterry and didrocks have a different reality ;) | 19:53 |
| tremolux | heh | 19:54 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: well, we do have stuff to do/fix, but so far it seems manageable | 19:54 |
| tremolux | :) | 19:54 |
| tremolux | sorry for didrocks and mterry 8^O | 19:54 |
| * mterry rocks out in his reality bubble | 19:55 | |
| tremolux | mterry: haha!! | 19:55 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: but ok, yes, for new-apps, we seem good | 19:56 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: sorry, back...so, I'm not sure how to close out the blueprint, do I just reset the Series Goal to Natty? | 20:07 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: sorry, reset to *Maverick* | 20:08 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: I'd JFDI, but, sometimes with blueprints in LP there's a way to do it, and a way not to do it | 20:09 |
| dobey | afaik blueprints don't get 'closed' but rather just get their status changed to 'completed' or 'implemented' or whatever it is | 20:12 |
| tremolux | dobey: yeah, except this blueprint from maverick was retargeted (and approved) for Natty | 20:21 |
| tremolux | dobey: so it went from "Implemented" in maverick back to the "Unknown" state | 20:22 |
| dobey | ah | 20:23 |
| tremolux | dobey: so, I would think I should just reset those two fields.. | 20:23 |
| dobey | well i wish the worst of my problems right now was deciding the best way to mark a blueprint as done :) | 20:26 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, check this out! http://www.gnu.org/software/pythonwebkit/ | 20:45 |
| rickspencer3 | seems like it could make webkit UI a bit more testable! | 20:45 |
| kenvandine | yeah... i actually tried building that during UDS :) | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | but fails in all kinds of strange ways | 20:47 |
| rickspencer3 | oh well | 20:48 |
| rickspencer3 | we'd only need it to run well enough for a testing environment | 20:48 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, did it fail to build, or not work after it was built? | 20:48 |
| kenvandine | fail to build | 20:48 |
| rickspencer3 | ah | 20:49 |
| kenvandine | well, it needed webkitgtk from git | 20:49 |
| kenvandine | which failed to build | 20:49 |
| kenvandine | aquarius and ryan were very keen on that | 20:49 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: did you see my comments about the new-apps blueprint? shall I reset the series goal to "Maverick" and reset implementation to "Implemented"? | 20:52 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, if it's done, set it to implemented | 20:53 |
| rickspencer3 | if there are more work items, set it to Maverick | 20:53 |
| rickspencer3 | hth, I'm not sure what you need there :/ | 20:53 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: no, all work items are DONE | 20:53 |
| rickspencer3 | then set it to Implemented! | 20:54 |
| rickspencer3 | nice | 20:54 |
| tremolux | so I just set it to Implemented, but it still shows up in the Natty list | 20:54 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: assume that's ok? sorry for annoying questions :-/ | 20:55 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, np, man, any time | 20:55 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: thx :) | 20:55 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, can you paste me a link? | 20:55 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-opportunistic-apps-stable-release | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | this indicator-me bug is definitely a weird race condition, it gets the focus-out signal the same time it gets the grab-focus and focus-in signals! | 20:57 |
| rickspencer3 | tremolux, I untargetted it from Natty | 20:58 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: ah great, thanks | 21:00 |
| XVampireX | Hey what's up again? | 21:25 |
| ricotz | robert_ancell, hi, could you have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/671104 | 21:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 671104 in vala (Ubuntu) "libvala-0.12-dev missing provide for libvala-dev (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 21:46 |
| robert_ancell | ricotz, ok | 21:47 |
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| pitti | chrisccoulson: do we still need the 500.000 files in tracker? Debian has 65.000 dirs, which ought to be enough for a reasonable home dir, and avoids some overhead | 22:30 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - not sure. that's currently the only change isn't it? | 22:30 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'll sync the Debian package now (I need it to drop the second-last libdevkit-power dependency) | 22:31 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: right | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - last time i checked, the debian maintainer added a patch which changed an ontology | 22:31 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I just discussed it with mbiebl, and we think that 65.000 ought to be enough | 22:31 |
| chrisccoulson | please don't sync that change if it's still there :) | 22:31 |
| pitti | okay | 22:31 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I think he reverted it, I'll check | 22:33 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 22:34 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: yep, confirmed that this was reverted | 22:35 |
| pitti | -fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 65536 | 22:35 |
| pitti | +fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 524288 | 22:35 |
| pitti | it's our only diff | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - cool, thanks | 22:36 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: are you okay with squashing this? | 22:36 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, can do | 22:36 |
| pitti | so the only remaining one is packagekit-gnome | 22:36 |
| pitti | I'll get that ported, then we have one crufty library less and can update upower | 22:37 |
| ricotz | robert_ancell, thanks | 23:02 |
| robert_ancell | ricotz, np | 23:03 |
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