[10:50] <wells> McPeter:  Salut... je suis encore ban sur #ubuntu-fr après plusieurs mois... combien de temps cela va encore duré?
[10:53] <avelldiroll> wells: pour les questions concernant la modération d'#ubuntu-fr, c'est sur #ubuntu-fr-ops que ça se passe
[10:54] <Tm_T> if you use english, others are able to participate to discussion too (:
[10:55] <avelldiroll> Tm_T: sorry for that ... he was asking for an unban on the french support channel, and I just redirected him to the right place to do that
[10:57] <wells> tkx Tm_T
[10:57] <wells> and avelldiroll
[10:58] <wells> I was redirect hear form an other ops chan
[11:03] <Tm_T> right
[14:02] <highvoltage> hmm, anyone know why I would be redirected from #ubuntu-community to #ubuntu?
[14:02] <highvoltage> 09:51 [freenode] -!- #ubuntu-community #ubuntu Forwarding to another channel
[14:16] <nhandler> highvoltage: Are you sure you didn't want #ubuntu-community-team ?
[14:16] <highvoltage> nhandler: aah, I did indeed, sorry :)
[14:35] <Tm_T> so the redirect is wrong?
[15:20] <nhandler> Tm_T: It isn't necessarily "wrong". It probably was there from before -community-team. However, I have gone ahead and changed it to forward to -community-team now
[15:32] <Tm_T> ah, good, thanks
[17:24] <JanC> anybody know what "ubuntulog" is supposed to be?
[17:25] <jussi> JanC: the official ubuntu log bot
[17:25] <jussi> JanC: its replacing the ubuntu-eu supplied locobots
[17:26] <JanC> what's it doing in ubuntu-nl suddenly?
[17:26] <JanC> oh
[17:26] <jussi> JanC: it means all logs will now appear at: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[17:26] <nizarus> and where it will save the log ?
[17:26] <jussi> nizarus: :D
[17:26] <nizarus> :p
[17:26] <JanC> locobot is still there though  :P
[17:27] <jussi> JanC: locobot will shortly disappear
[17:27] <jussi> zed will take them down once the transition is over
[17:27] <nizarus> the bot is dead... long life to the bot
[17:28] <jussi> something like that :D
[17:30] <jussi> JanC: I think Ill send something to the irc list soon, just to make sure all are aware
[17:30] <CrazyLemon> is that the reason noone is replying on admin@ubuntu-eu? :)
[17:31] <jussi> CrazyLemon: the team has been a bit broken up recently - were you asking for a bot?
[17:31] <CrazyLemon> jussi yes i was :)
[17:31]  * jussi goes to fix wiki pages with bot stuff
[17:31] <jussi> CrazyLemon: please send all bot requests now to rt@ubuntu.com
[17:32] <CrazyLemon> jussi are they more responsive? :p
[17:32] <CrazyLemon> thanks..will do :)
[17:32] <nizarus> jussi, and send the same thing to the lococontacts list
[17:32] <jussi> CrazyLemon: yes, they are. also, please note the ubuntulog policy here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[17:32] <jussi> (im updating some small things about wheere it goes as we speak)
[17:34] <jussi> JanC: can you check and make sure your topic is sorted with the change also?
[17:36] <JanC> jussi: you mean the into message ?
[17:36] <JanC> intro
[17:36] <jussi> JanC: yes
[17:37] <JanC> I guess I would also have to translate it then?
[17:37] <jussi> JanC: well given the link is in english and the locobots used to /notice people in english, its up to you.
[17:38] <jussi> but it might be nice
[17:38] <JanC> that's going to be fun if we ask for a logbot for -be, 8 lines of intro messages to get all languages covered?
[17:38] <jussi> heh
[17:38] <JanC> what's the point of an intro message that peopel don't understand?
[17:38] <JanC> and I guess we would have to translate the ToS too...
[17:38] <jussi> JanC: you can pop something in the topic if you prefer - how doe the topic work in -be?
[17:38] <JanC> sigh
[17:39] <JanC> the topic is in English, but a legal message in anything but the local language isn't valid...
[17:40] <JanC> so it's pointless to have an English message in a non-English channel  ;)
[17:40]  * jussi hrms and wonders if tsimpson, Pici topyli or nhandler have thoughts on this
[17:40] <JanC> fortunately we don't have a logbot in -be yet  ;)
[17:41] <jussi> JanC: and its not acceptable to have it in only one of the languages?
[17:42] <JanC> well, I can do it just in English, but if people can ignore it  ;)
[17:42] <JanC> eh, lost some words there  :P
[17:43] <JanC> "if people want they can ignore"
[17:44] <tsimpson|n800> JanC: well the freenode ToS is in English
[17:45] <Pici> JanC: Can a very short message with a link to a wiki page with a bunch of translated versions of the TOS work?
[17:46] <JanC> like I said, it's probably easier to just not log the channel  :P
[17:46] <JanC> or log it ourselves or whatever
[17:47] <tsimpson|n800> JanC: you should still have a notice/topic stating the channel is logged
[17:47] <Pici> Thats what the freenode ToS state.
[17:52] <JanC> it's not in their ToS, they just advise it AFAICT
[17:53] <tsimpson|n800> JanC: see /motd
[17:53] <Pici> "By connecting to freenode you indicate that you have read and agree to adhere to our policies and procedures as per the website (http://freenode.net). We would like to remind you that unauthorized public logging of channels on the network is prohibited. Public channel logging should only take place where the channel owner(s) has requested this and users of the channel are all made aware (if you are publically logging your ...
[17:53] <Pici> ... channel, you may wish to keep a notice in topic and perhaps as a on-join message)."
[17:57] <JanC> Pici: I can't find that on that site?
[18:00] <Pici> JanC: I can't either.  Use /motd in your irc client to bring it up
[18:02] <JanC> the policy on their site says differently...
[18:03] <JanC> *sigh*
[18:03] <JanC> probably easier to log less channels than more in that case
[18:06] <JanC> BTW: why aren't the IRC logs organised as channel/year/month/date instead of year/month/date/channel ?
[18:06] <JanC> that would make it easier to point to logs...
[18:06] <JanC> well, more useful
[18:09] <Pici> Perhaps the LC can make a suggestion on this issue.
[18:10] <persia> Implementation on the server side is lots easier with current layout, so it probably stems from that
[18:10]  * persia has no particular opinion on which is the right model
[18:11] <Pici> Er, I mean on the translation issue, not the log organization one.
[18:12] <IdleOne> can somebody link me to the audio archives for UDS-N please?
[18:12] <IdleOne> specifically the IRC sessions
[19:27] <Seeker`> IdleOne: I've been looking for them, not found them though
[19:45] <pleia2> quick heads up Bacta just trolled #ubuntu-us
[20:11] <m4v> kudos for replacing the locobots, their logs where poor at best.
[20:11] <persia> This will require massive updates of lots of docs though, as so many things point at ubuntu-eu (but is still a good thing, overall)
[20:13] <IdleOne> Seeker`: I did some searching also and wasn't able to find them
[20:14] <IdleOne> pleia2: you are probably aware but there is talks with freenode about implementing namespace bans.
[20:15] <pleia2> IdleOne: heh, that'd be nice
[20:16] <IdleOne> or at least an easier way to do it
[20:16] <Seeker`> I'll believe it when I see it
[20:16] <Seeker`> I've seen 1 attempt at a namespace ban, and that didn't last.
[20:17] <IdleOne> I think it is more about a method of issuing the ban across all #u* channels and less about how long they last
[20:18] <Seeker`> IdleOne: my point is, even with a a method of implementing them, I'm not convinced it will ever actually be used
[20:19] <IdleOne> I suspect there is going to be very strict circumstances required before a ban of that nature is set.
[20:19] <IdleOne> Will have to go through 5-6 teams before approved :P
[20:19] <IdleOne> but let's hope for the best.
[20:20] <m4v> freenode doesn't have that extban, dunno, $z:#channel, and which is like using the bans already set in #channel?
[20:20] <m4v> I remember I saw something about it, but isn't in freenode's docs though
[20:30] <m4v> extban $j it is (had to look at the ircd-seven sources)