[14:35] <highvoltage> good morning
[14:39] <mhall119> and a cold one too
[14:39] <mhall119> 60F down here
[14:55] <charlie-tca> *gm, and all the way up to 33F here
[14:55] <charlie-tca> good morning from Idaho
[15:34] <highvoltage> 3°C here, not sure what that is in F :)
[15:45] <charlie-tca> umm, if I remember right, COLD?
[16:05] <mhall119> in Floridian, that's F-ing COLD
[16:12] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:18] <highvoltage> hehe
[20:08] <sbalneav> Am I reading this right?
[20:08] <sbalneav> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
[20:08] <mhall119> yup
[20:08] <sbalneav> We're no longer using Gnome or Xorg?
[20:09] <mhall119> it'll still run Gnome
[20:09] <mhall119> and wayland can run xorg also
[20:09] <mhall119> so any xorg app will run
[20:10] <mhall119> there are current efforts to port GTK+ and QT to native wayland clients
[20:10] <mhall119> it'll probably end up like OSX in a few years, where xorg is an add-on environment
[20:21] <jbicha> sbalneav: how were you meaning to read it?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> but it won't happen for a while
[20:27] <mhall119> and it sounds like it'll only be for Unity, not the "2d" gnome
[20:28] <charlie-tca> I wonder how much the 2d gnome will actually work? It won't be installed by default, it won't use wayland, which will be the default.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> and I happen to own all nvidia cards
[20:31] <jbicha> yeah, but how long is Gnome upstream going to maintain gdm 2.x ?
[20:31] <highvoltage> wayland is a good idea, but I can't see how the transition to it can't suck. it's going to be an interesting few releases.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> I read QT should be fully ported by 2012 ?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> I am looking forward to it. Xorg kinda sucks already
[20:33] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: you think wayland is going to be nicer than x-org any time soon? :)
[20:34] <highvoltage> sure the design is nice, but it's going to take some time to get there
[20:34] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:34] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't dare think that way
[20:34] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:42] <mhall119> charlie-tca: 2d gnome will still be installed by default as far as I've heard
[20:46] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:47] <charlie-tca> saw on a bug report comment from Mark that it will not be on the live cd and and will not install by default
[20:47] <charlie-tca> or maybe I misunderstood?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> I thought it would be installed too.
[20:50] <mhall119> Unity is still going to need > 90% of Gnome
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I just have to wait to see it
[20:51] <mhall119> I can't imagine metacity and the panels take up that much space on the livecd
[20:51] <charlie-tca> should be a testable version next week
[20:53] <sbalneav> IMHO, I originally switched over from Debian to Ubuntu because Ubuntu promised to be Debian with all the rough edges smoothed out.
[20:54] <charlie-tca> It just gets better :-)
[20:54] <sbalneav> For me, no it doesn't.  It's only gotten worse. :(
[20:55] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: indeed! we're going to have to do some waiting and seeing :)
[20:56] <highvoltage> sbalneav: weren't you one of the people last weekend who laughed at me because I run debian on my netbook?
[20:56] <sbalneav> Nope.
[20:56] <sbalneav> I wasn't.
[20:56] <highvoltage> ah, ok. (good!)
[20:56] <sbalneav> I was the guy who was complaining about bug fixing :)
[20:57] <sbalneav> And harping on compiz :)
[20:57] <highvoltage> ah right
[20:57] <sbalneav> Yeah, we'll have to see.
[20:57] <highvoltage> I considered running Debian on my laptop too, but for the moment it's really convenient since most of my work happens around Ubuntu anyway