[14:35] good morning [14:39] and a cold one too [14:39] 60F down here [14:55] *gm, and all the way up to 33F here [14:55] good morning from Idaho [15:34] 3°C here, not sure what that is in F :) [15:45] umm, if I remember right, COLD? [16:05] in Floridian, that's F-ing COLD [16:12] :-) [16:18] hehe [20:08] Am I reading this right? [20:08] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551 [20:08] yup [20:08] We're no longer using Gnome or Xorg? [20:09] it'll still run Gnome [20:09] and wayland can run xorg also [20:09] so any xorg app will run [20:10] there are current efforts to port GTK+ and QT to native wayland clients [20:10] it'll probably end up like OSX in a few years, where xorg is an add-on environment [20:21] sbalneav: how were you meaning to read it? [20:25] but it won't happen for a while [20:27] and it sounds like it'll only be for Unity, not the "2d" gnome [20:28] I wonder how much the 2d gnome will actually work? It won't be installed by default, it won't use wayland, which will be the default. [20:28] and I happen to own all nvidia cards [20:31] yeah, but how long is Gnome upstream going to maintain gdm 2.x ? [20:31] wayland is a good idea, but I can't see how the transition to it can't suck. it's going to be an interesting few releases. [20:31] I read QT should be fully ported by 2012 ? [20:32] I am looking forward to it. Xorg kinda sucks already [20:33] charlie-tca: you think wayland is going to be nicer than x-org any time soon? :) [20:34] sure the design is nice, but it's going to take some time to get there [20:34] heh [20:34] I wouldn't dare think that way [20:34] :-) [20:42] charlie-tca: 2d gnome will still be installed by default as far as I've heard [20:46] nope [20:47] saw on a bug report comment from Mark that it will not be on the live cd and and will not install by default [20:47] or maybe I misunderstood? [20:48] I thought it would be installed too. [20:50] Unity is still going to need > 90% of Gnome [20:51] I just have to wait to see it [20:51] I can't imagine metacity and the panels take up that much space on the livecd [20:51] should be a testable version next week [20:53] IMHO, I originally switched over from Debian to Ubuntu because Ubuntu promised to be Debian with all the rough edges smoothed out. [20:54] It just gets better :-) [20:54] For me, no it doesn't. It's only gotten worse. :( [20:55] charlie-tca: indeed! we're going to have to do some waiting and seeing :) [20:56] sbalneav: weren't you one of the people last weekend who laughed at me because I run debian on my netbook? [20:56] Nope. [20:56] I wasn't. [20:56] ah, ok. (good!) [20:56] I was the guy who was complaining about bug fixing :) [20:57] And harping on compiz :) [20:57] ah right [20:57] Yeah, we'll have to see. [20:57] I considered running Debian on my laptop too, but for the moment it's really convenient since most of my work happens around Ubuntu anyway