[05:40] <h3sp4wn> Hi, I am using a ubuntu+1 vps and wondered if there is alternatives to ubuntu-minimal etc for low resources virtualised servers
[05:40] <bazhang> h3sp4wn, you are using 11.04 ?
[05:42] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: Yep (don't think much changed yet though)
[05:42] <bazhang> h3sp4wn, ubuntu-minimal is the lowest they go, afaik
[05:43] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: Its annoying they are so specific (dunno why they cannot just specify a syslogd)
[05:44] <bazhang> h3sp4wn, you might want to give a try in #ubuntu-server as well
[05:44] <h3sp4wn> bazhang: ok thanks
[09:47] <ior3k> hey everyone
[09:47] <ior3k> looks like I'm unable to login through GDM
[09:47] <ior3k> and startx doesn't work either
[09:48] <ior3k> but it's not a video driver problem because GDM comes up just fine
[09:48] <ior3k> it just doesn't let me login
[09:48] <ior3k> anyone having the same problem?
[09:49] <ior3k> I see a ddxSigGiveUp on Xorg.0.log
[09:49] <ior3k> when I use startx
[09:49] <ior3k> but that's all
[09:50] <ior3k> no other errors, nothing
[09:51] <ior3k> (yes, this is Natty, btw)
[11:06] <histo> ior3k can you log in to terminal?
[11:48] <coz_> hey guys.. lucid and maverick have this issue   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/521492   please tell me it is going to be fixed in natty!
[11:52] <gnomefreak> coz_: way too early to know that, check back in ~1month
[11:53] <gnomefreak> or keep track of the bug
[11:54] <coz_> gnomefreak,  sounds reasonable :)
[11:56] <wrst> coz_: i don't consider that a bug but rather the way it was before
[11:57] <coz_> wrst,   well I understand that... but was puzzles me is the change in the first place,, considering that conservitively 40%  of users have dual monitors ,,
[11:58] <wrst> i would much prefer the way it is now with dual monitors maybe there should be an option?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ask in #ubuntu-bugs to find out if it should be set as wishlist and if so ask them to mark as one
[11:58]  * gnomefreak doesnt have time atm
[11:58] <coz_> wrst,  I stopped using kde because of  the similar problem they have  ,, you cant change the wallpaper on the secondary monitor
[11:59] <wrst> actually you can on kde you can run two independent wallpapers
[11:59] <wrst> but i rarely have a wallpaper that is sized to stretch over two monitors
[12:00] <coz_> wrst,  understood ,, although I have tried everything on kde and nothing worked ,, but I prefer gnome anyway... but this seems like a chnage from somone that only uses a laptop :)
[12:00] <coz_>  stretch option should do just that  but  ,,, i will wait a month or so to find out :)
[12:00] <wrst> i was glad to see it changed because of the ugliness of the wallpaper i actually used kde some
[12:01] <wrst> but overall i think gnome's support of dual monitors has been pretty bad when you compare to what kde has had for a while
[12:01] <coz_> wrst,  whoa  I feel just the oposite of that
[12:02] <coz_> but thanks for listening guys...
[12:03] <wrst> well the wallpapers is a big one for me, they always were awful on dual monitors until now unless you had a stretched out wallpaper just for them and using the tools that they provide to get dual monitors workign if you don't use nvidia-settings or ati catalyst i felt where way under powered compared to kde but the last couple of releases have fixed a lot of that from my perspective at least
[12:03] <wrst> but coz_ that's what makes opensource so great what works for one doesn't for another but eventually we will both have our cake and eat it too :)
[12:04] <coz_> wrst,   well that is hopefully the way it will go lol
[12:04] <coz_> wrst,  but I often remind people of the BUG#1  for ubuntu :)
[12:04] <wrst> ha ha i hope so coz_
[12:04] <wrst> oh yes coz_ :)
[12:05] <coz_> wrst,  when y ou consider bug #1   this kind of  problem is  nearly intolerable :)
[12:05] <wrst> agreed coz_
[12:06] <wrst> but i really love that ubuntu is making such strides towards usability
[12:06] <coz_> wrst,  oh I wouldnt consider changin from ubuntu ,,,yet,,anyway,, I have been here from the beginning  although I would still be on BeOs if it had a reasonable java option :)
[14:04] <goodnight|2> wayland?
[14:08] <charlie-tca> wayland is good
[14:09] <charlie-tca> anyone know how to fix natty after yesterday's updates?
[14:09] <charlie-tca> No gui, no tty, no recovery menu
[14:45] <duanedesign> charlie-tca: you having some issues with Natty after recent update?
[14:48] <charlie-tca> You mean besides the fact it won't boot?
[14:49] <charlie-tca> It freezes towards the end of the boot process. I get a text screen on tty1 with boot processes; I get another screen at tty7 with other processes.
[14:49]  * patdk-wk is updating currentlyu
[14:49] <charlie-tca> I can not change to tty2, 3, 4, 5, or 6
[14:49] <charlie-tca> I can not get a login prompt anywhere
[14:49] <patdk-wk> tty1 is all you need :)
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Not if you can not login on it
[14:50] <patdk-wk> as long as ssh started, your good :)
[14:51] <patdk-wk> updated, rebooting now
[14:51] <charlie-tca> and how do I get the desktop using ssh when this is my primary system?
[14:52] <patdk-wk> hmm, no issue here :(
[15:51] <diegoviola> hi
[15:52] <diegoviola> ubuntu will use wayland in the future, instead of xorg?
[15:52] <charlie-tca> maybe for 11.10 ?
[15:53] <diegoviola> what about for 12, 13, 14?
[15:53] <diegoviola> they will use wayland for the long run?
[15:55] <diegoviola> i would love to see ubuntu using wayladn
[15:55] <diegoviola> wayland*
[15:55] <jpds> diegoviola: Well, we wouldn't make a change like that and change back a release later.
[15:55] <charlie-tca> When wayland is ready to replace X, it will happen. What release seems to be up the aire
[15:55] <diegoviola> jpds: nice
[15:56] <diegoviola> i'm happy that there will be a replacement finally!
[15:56] <diegoviola> to xorg
[15:57] <diegoviola> thanks for all your hard work
[15:57] <diegoviola> ;)
[15:58] <diegoviola> hm
[15:58] <diegoviola> one last question pls
[15:59] <diegoviola> let's say ubuntu 11 comes out with wayland and unity
[15:59] <charlie-tca> If it is an easy one
[15:59] <diegoviola> what about fglrx, nvidia, etc?
[15:59] <diegoviola> they will release a driver to support wayland?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> First, Ubuntu does two releases a year, thus the full numbers. 11.04, 11.10, etc
[16:00] <charlie-tca> at this time, wayland with unity could support ATI and Intel
[16:00] <charlie-tca> nvidia has issues, since nouveau does not have 3d support today
[16:00] <diegoviola> i mean the nvidia proprietary driver
[16:00] <charlie-tca> It is in progress, though, and should be available in the 11.10 release
[16:01] <charlie-tca> The nvidia propietary should support it already. It is just that it is not installed by default, so we need a 2d fallback (Gnome)
[16:01] <diegoviola> nice
[16:02] <diegoviola> so wayland is the future
[16:02] <charlie-tca> looks like it
[16:02] <diegoviola> nice
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Mark does not make announcements without a plan, normally
[16:02] <diegoviola> I see, thanks
[16:02] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:04] <fagan> Well wayland is an evolution of the whole X idea
[16:04] <fagan> knowing whats wrong with X and addressing all of those issues
[16:04] <fagan> so its awesome just for that
[16:06] <diegoviola> yeah cool
[16:07] <diegoviola> does wayland still uses the x11 protocol?
[16:07] <diegoviola> or it was its own?
[16:07] <diegoviola> or it extends the x11 protocol?
[16:07] <fagan> well it has its own protocol but does have compatability with x11 because it can run x11 clients
[16:07] <diegoviola> cool
[16:08]  * fagan gets the link where all of that is explained
[16:08] <diegoviola> is it multi-threaded?
[16:08] <diegoviola> thread-safe
[16:08] <fagan> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
[16:09] <diegoviola> thx
[16:10] <fagan> diegoviola: I dont have a clue what the threading situation is like but im sure it is already or will be done very soon if its not
[16:11] <diegoviola> cool
[16:11] <diegoviola> one of my wishlist with wayland is to implement some kind of fail-over
[16:11] <diegoviola> dunno how to descrive it
[16:11] <diegoviola> but
[16:11] <diegoviola> for example, if wayland crashes
[16:11] <diegoviola> to allow the apps to reconnect
[16:11] <diegoviola> to wayland
[16:11] <diegoviola> so all the apps don't go down
[16:12] <diegoviola> wayland shouldn't go down in the first place sure
[16:12] <diegoviola> but that's always nice to have ;)
[16:13] <fagan> well if X crashes all the apps go down too dont they?
[16:13]  * fagan hasnt got a X crash for a long time so doesnt know 
[16:13] <diegoviola> yep
[16:13] <fagan> well its hard to fix that kind of thing
[16:14] <diegoviola> i read that X has some functionality for that
[16:14] <diegoviola> to make the apps and toolkits reconnect to the server
[16:14] <diegoviola> but i think nobody uses it
[16:14] <fagan> well because X doesnt crash much
[16:14] <fagan> so its kinda redundant
[18:30] <diegoviola> when are we going to see ubuntu using wayland and unity?
[18:33] <patdk-wk> why must everyone repeat the same questions
[18:34] <Pici> why must everyone repeat the same questions?
[18:42] <diegoviola> it'll be available for 11.10?
[18:43] <diegoviola> pls, i can't wait for this...
[18:44] <charlie-tca> nobody knows when it will happen
[18:45] <diegoviola> =/
[19:28] <diegoviola> please tell mark to do it
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Someone besides me will be doing that. I don't have his phone number
[19:37] <diegoviola> =/
[19:47] <diegoviola> i will try writing him on his blog then
[19:47] <diegoviola> i hope he reads my comment
[20:17] <diegoviola> http://www.osnews.com/story/23998/Finally_Ubuntu_Ditches_X_Switches_to_Wayland
[20:17] <diegoviola> amazing story
[20:26] <charlie-tca> There will be lots of crap about it. Not all of it is true at this point.
[21:15] <litropy> Hey, peeps! I've got a vga connected form my netbook to my hdtv using a vga cord. It's showing, but the aspect ratio is 4:3. Any ideas as to how to get it to16:9?
[21:17] <bazhang> litropy, running 11.04 ?
[21:55]  * Crashbit hi!
[22:23] <hakermania> Hello. Can please anybody tell me why is Ubuntu still frozen ? (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/) I am waiting 3 months now to upload my app but 2 months prior to Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) release the Ubuntu was Frozen because of the existing bugs that had to be fixed in some applications. But now I don't see a reason for Ubuntu to be frozen! REVU says nothing about uploading for Ubuntu 11.04, it only says 'Ubuntu is frozen' without any explanation. Can anyone
[22:27] <yofel> hakermania: I think revu is managed by the the MOTUs, so you should ask in #ubuntu-motu
[22:27] <hakermania> Ok, I'm sorry, I'd gone to ubuntu-programming and they send me here :/
[22:28] <yofel> right, this is the natty support channel, but we don't discuss creation of ubuntu packages here
[22:30] <yofel> hakermania: and don't worry, ubuntu does have a lot of IRC channels, so it's pretty usual to be sent around a bit until you get to the right place. Helps to stay on topic in the channels though
[22:31] <hakermania> ok thx ;)
[23:22] <alex_mayorga> Would Natty pick up EDID on my buggy laptop? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaOnSonyLaptop
[23:42] <BUGabundo> oias o/
[23:43] <Wubbbi> Yeah ... finaly. The new kernel broke my fglrx-ati driver ;D. And the free radeon driver dont know what powersave mode is. -_-. Well dont matter that much. I only have to pay a bit more for energy-costs.
[23:43] <Wubbbi> :P
[23:51] <BUGabundo> nice way to send my evening http://p.bugabundo.net/a-forca-que-um-bicho-destes-faz-reboque
[23:52] <charlie-tca> huh, I finally got natty to boot after sshing in and running updates twice. No logins possible before that