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| h3sp4wn | Hi, I am using a ubuntu+1 vps and wondered if there is alternatives to ubuntu-minimal etc for low resources virtualised servers | 05:40 |
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| bazhang | h3sp4wn, you are using 11.04 ? | 05:40 |
| h3sp4wn | bazhang: Yep (don't think much changed yet though) | 05:42 |
| bazhang | h3sp4wn, ubuntu-minimal is the lowest they go, afaik | 05:42 |
| h3sp4wn | bazhang: Its annoying they are so specific (dunno why they cannot just specify a syslogd) | 05:43 |
| bazhang | h3sp4wn, you might want to give a try in #ubuntu-server as well | 05:44 |
| h3sp4wn | bazhang: ok thanks | 05:44 |
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| ior3k | hey everyone | 09:47 |
| ior3k | looks like I'm unable to login through GDM | 09:47 |
| ior3k | and startx doesn't work either | 09:47 |
| ior3k | but it's not a video driver problem because GDM comes up just fine | 09:48 |
| ior3k | it just doesn't let me login | 09:48 |
| ior3k | anyone having the same problem? | 09:48 |
| ior3k | I see a ddxSigGiveUp on Xorg.0.log | 09:49 |
| ior3k | when I use startx | 09:49 |
| ior3k | but that's all | 09:49 |
| ior3k | no other errors, nothing | 09:50 |
| ior3k | (yes, this is Natty, btw) | 09:51 |
| histo | ior3k can you log in to terminal? | 11:06 |
| coz_ | hey guys.. lucid and maverick have this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/521492 please tell me it is going to be fixed in natty! | 11:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 521492 in meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu) "Dual Monitor wallpaper is not scaling across both monitors, same background is repeated on both monitors instead" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 11:48 |
| gnomefreak | coz_: way too early to know that, check back in ~1month | 11:52 |
| gnomefreak | or keep track of the bug | 11:53 |
| coz_ | gnomefreak, sounds reasonable :) | 11:54 |
| wrst | coz_: i don't consider that a bug but rather the way it was before | 11:56 |
| coz_ | wrst, well I understand that... but was puzzles me is the change in the first place,, considering that conservitively 40% of users have dual monitors ,, | 11:57 |
| wrst | i would much prefer the way it is now with dual monitors maybe there should be an option? | 11:58 |
| gnomefreak | ask in #ubuntu-bugs to find out if it should be set as wishlist and if so ask them to mark as one | 11:58 |
| * gnomefreak doesnt have time atm | 11:58 | |
| coz_ | wrst, I stopped using kde because of the similar problem they have ,, you cant change the wallpaper on the secondary monitor | 11:58 |
| wrst | actually you can on kde you can run two independent wallpapers | 11:59 |
| wrst | but i rarely have a wallpaper that is sized to stretch over two monitors | 11:59 |
| coz_ | wrst, understood ,, although I have tried everything on kde and nothing worked ,, but I prefer gnome anyway... but this seems like a chnage from somone that only uses a laptop :) | 12:00 |
| coz_ | stretch option should do just that but ,,, i will wait a month or so to find out :) | 12:00 |
| wrst | i was glad to see it changed because of the ugliness of the wallpaper i actually used kde some | 12:00 |
| wrst | but overall i think gnome's support of dual monitors has been pretty bad when you compare to what kde has had for a while | 12:01 |
| coz_ | wrst, whoa I feel just the oposite of that | 12:01 |
| coz_ | but thanks for listening guys... | 12:02 |
| wrst | well the wallpapers is a big one for me, they always were awful on dual monitors until now unless you had a stretched out wallpaper just for them and using the tools that they provide to get dual monitors workign if you don't use nvidia-settings or ati catalyst i felt where way under powered compared to kde but the last couple of releases have fixed a lot of that from my perspective at least | 12:03 |
| wrst | but coz_ that's what makes opensource so great what works for one doesn't for another but eventually we will both have our cake and eat it too :) | 12:03 |
| coz_ | wrst, well that is hopefully the way it will go lol | 12:04 |
| coz_ | wrst, but I often remind people of the BUG#1 for ubuntu :) | 12:04 |
| wrst | ha ha i hope so coz_ | 12:04 |
| wrst | oh yes coz_ :) | 12:04 |
| coz_ | wrst, when y ou consider bug #1 this kind of problem is nearly intolerable :) | 12:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 12:05 |
| wrst | agreed coz_ | 12:05 |
| wrst | but i really love that ubuntu is making such strides towards usability | 12:06 |
| coz_ | wrst, oh I wouldnt consider changin from ubuntu ,,,yet,,anyway,, I have been here from the beginning although I would still be on BeOs if it had a reasonable java option :) | 12:06 |
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| goodnight|2 | wayland? | 14:04 |
| charlie-tca | wayland is good | 14:08 |
| charlie-tca | anyone know how to fix natty after yesterday's updates? | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | No gui, no tty, no recovery menu | 14:09 |
| duanedesign | charlie-tca: you having some issues with Natty after recent update? | 14:45 |
| charlie-tca | You mean besides the fact it won't boot? | 14:48 |
| charlie-tca | It freezes towards the end of the boot process. I get a text screen on tty1 with boot processes; I get another screen at tty7 with other processes. | 14:49 |
| * patdk-wk is updating currentlyu | 14:49 | |
| charlie-tca | I can not change to tty2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 | 14:49 |
| charlie-tca | I can not get a login prompt anywhere | 14:49 |
| patdk-wk | tty1 is all you need :) | 14:49 |
| charlie-tca | Not if you can not login on it | 14:50 |
| patdk-wk | as long as ssh started, your good :) | 14:50 |
| patdk-wk | updated, rebooting now | 14:51 |
| charlie-tca | and how do I get the desktop using ssh when this is my primary system? | 14:51 |
| patdk-wk | hmm, no issue here :( | 14:52 |
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| diegoviola | hi | 15:51 |
| diegoviola | ubuntu will use wayland in the future, instead of xorg? | 15:52 |
| charlie-tca | maybe for 11.10 ? | 15:52 |
| diegoviola | what about for 12, 13, 14? | 15:53 |
| diegoviola | they will use wayland for the long run? | 15:53 |
| diegoviola | i would love to see ubuntu using wayladn | 15:55 |
| diegoviola | wayland* | 15:55 |
| jpds | diegoviola: Well, we wouldn't make a change like that and change back a release later. | 15:55 |
| charlie-tca | When wayland is ready to replace X, it will happen. What release seems to be up the aire | 15:55 |
| diegoviola | jpds: nice | 15:55 |
| diegoviola | i'm happy that there will be a replacement finally! | 15:56 |
| diegoviola | to xorg | 15:56 |
| diegoviola | thanks for all your hard work | 15:57 |
| diegoviola | ;) | 15:57 |
| diegoviola | hm | 15:58 |
| diegoviola | one last question pls | 15:58 |
| diegoviola | let's say ubuntu 11 comes out with wayland and unity | 15:59 |
| charlie-tca | If it is an easy one | 15:59 |
| diegoviola | what about fglrx, nvidia, etc? | 15:59 |
| diegoviola | they will release a driver to support wayland? | 15:59 |
| charlie-tca | First, Ubuntu does two releases a year, thus the full numbers. 11.04, 11.10, etc | 15:59 |
| charlie-tca | at this time, wayland with unity could support ATI and Intel | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | nvidia has issues, since nouveau does not have 3d support today | 16:00 |
| diegoviola | i mean the nvidia proprietary driver | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | It is in progress, though, and should be available in the 11.10 release | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | The nvidia propietary should support it already. It is just that it is not installed by default, so we need a 2d fallback (Gnome) | 16:01 |
| diegoviola | nice | 16:01 |
| diegoviola | so wayland is the future | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | looks like it | 16:02 |
| diegoviola | nice | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | Mark does not make announcements without a plan, normally | 16:02 |
| diegoviola | I see, thanks | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 16:02 |
| fagan | Well wayland is an evolution of the whole X idea | 16:04 |
| fagan | knowing whats wrong with X and addressing all of those issues | 16:04 |
| fagan | so its awesome just for that | 16:04 |
| diegoviola | yeah cool | 16:06 |
| diegoviola | does wayland still uses the x11 protocol? | 16:07 |
| diegoviola | or it was its own? | 16:07 |
| diegoviola | or it extends the x11 protocol? | 16:07 |
| fagan | well it has its own protocol but does have compatability with x11 because it can run x11 clients | 16:07 |
| diegoviola | cool | 16:07 |
| * fagan gets the link where all of that is explained | 16:08 | |
| diegoviola | is it multi-threaded? | 16:08 |
| diegoviola | thread-safe | 16:08 |
| fagan | http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html | 16:08 |
| diegoviola | thx | 16:09 |
| fagan | diegoviola: I dont have a clue what the threading situation is like but im sure it is already or will be done very soon if its not | 16:10 |
| diegoviola | cool | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | one of my wishlist with wayland is to implement some kind of fail-over | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | dunno how to descrive it | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | but | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | for example, if wayland crashes | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | to allow the apps to reconnect | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | to wayland | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | so all the apps don't go down | 16:11 |
| diegoviola | wayland shouldn't go down in the first place sure | 16:12 |
| diegoviola | but that's always nice to have ;) | 16:12 |
| fagan | well if X crashes all the apps go down too dont they? | 16:13 |
| * fagan hasnt got a X crash for a long time so doesnt know | 16:13 | |
| diegoviola | yep | 16:13 |
| fagan | well its hard to fix that kind of thing | 16:13 |
| diegoviola | i read that X has some functionality for that | 16:14 |
| diegoviola | to make the apps and toolkits reconnect to the server | 16:14 |
| diegoviola | but i think nobody uses it | 16:14 |
| fagan | well because X doesnt crash much | 16:14 |
| fagan | so its kinda redundant | 16:14 |
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| diegoviola | when are we going to see ubuntu using wayland and unity? | 18:30 |
| patdk-wk | why must everyone repeat the same questions | 18:33 |
| Pici | why must everyone repeat the same questions? | 18:34 |
| diegoviola | it'll be available for 11.10? | 18:42 |
| diegoviola | pls, i can't wait for this... | 18:43 |
| charlie-tca | nobody knows when it will happen | 18:44 |
| diegoviola | =/ | 18:45 |
| diegoviola | please tell mark to do it | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | Someone besides me will be doing that. I don't have his phone number | 19:30 |
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| diegoviola | =/ | 19:37 |
| diegoviola | i will try writing him on his blog then | 19:47 |
| diegoviola | i hope he reads my comment | 19:47 |
| diegoviola | http://www.osnews.com/story/23998/Finally_Ubuntu_Ditches_X_Switches_to_Wayland | 20:17 |
| diegoviola | amazing story | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | There will be lots of crap about it. Not all of it is true at this point. | 20:26 |
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| litropy | Hey, peeps! I've got a vga connected form my netbook to my hdtv using a vga cord. It's showing, but the aspect ratio is 4:3. Any ideas as to how to get it to16:9? | 21:15 |
| bazhang | litropy, running 11.04 ? | 21:17 |
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| * Crashbit hi! | 21:55 | |
| hakermania | Hello. Can please anybody tell me why is Ubuntu still frozen ? (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/) I am waiting 3 months now to upload my app but 2 months prior to Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) release the Ubuntu was Frozen because of the existing bugs that had to be fixed in some applications. But now I don't see a reason for Ubuntu to be frozen! REVU says nothing about uploading for Ubuntu 11.04, it only says 'Ubuntu is frozen' without any explanation. Can anyone | 22:23 |
| yofel | hakermania: I think revu is managed by the the MOTUs, so you should ask in #ubuntu-motu | 22:27 |
| hakermania | Ok, I'm sorry, I'd gone to ubuntu-programming and they send me here :/ | 22:27 |
| yofel | right, this is the natty support channel, but we don't discuss creation of ubuntu packages here | 22:28 |
| yofel | hakermania: and don't worry, ubuntu does have a lot of IRC channels, so it's pretty usual to be sent around a bit until you get to the right place. Helps to stay on topic in the channels though | 22:30 |
| hakermania | ok thx ;) | 22:31 |
| alex_mayorga | Would Natty pick up EDID on my buggy laptop? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaOnSonyLaptop | 23:22 |
| BUGabundo | oias o/ | 23:42 |
| Wubbbi | Yeah ... finaly. The new kernel broke my fglrx-ati driver ;D. And the free radeon driver dont know what powersave mode is. -_-. Well dont matter that much. I only have to pay a bit more for energy-costs. | 23:43 |
| Wubbbi | :P | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | nice way to send my evening http://p.bugabundo.net/a-forca-que-um-bicho-destes-faz-reboque | 23:51 |
| charlie-tca | huh, I finally got natty to boot after sshing in and running updates twice. No logins possible before that | 23:52 |
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