=== solid_liquid is now known as solid_liq === emma_ is now known as emma === emma_ is now known as emma === FireCrotch is now known as nickmoeck [05:40] Hi, I am using a ubuntu+1 vps and wondered if there is alternatives to ubuntu-minimal etc for low resources virtualised servers [05:40] h3sp4wn, you are using 11.04 ? [05:42] bazhang: Yep (don't think much changed yet though) [05:42] h3sp4wn, ubuntu-minimal is the lowest they go, afaik [05:43] bazhang: Its annoying they are so specific (dunno why they cannot just specify a syslogd) [05:44] h3sp4wn, you might want to give a try in #ubuntu-server as well [05:44] bazhang: ok thanks === JoeSett is now known as JoeMaverickSett === devil__ is now known as Mohan_chml [09:47] hey everyone [09:47] looks like I'm unable to login through GDM [09:47] and startx doesn't work either [09:48] but it's not a video driver problem because GDM comes up just fine [09:48] it just doesn't let me login [09:48] anyone having the same problem? [09:49] I see a ddxSigGiveUp on Xorg.0.log [09:49] when I use startx [09:49] but that's all [09:50] no other errors, nothing [09:51] (yes, this is Natty, btw) [11:06] ior3k can you log in to terminal? [11:48] hey guys.. lucid and maverick have this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/521492 please tell me it is going to be fixed in natty! [11:48] Launchpad bug 521492 in meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu) "Dual Monitor wallpaper is not scaling across both monitors, same background is repeated on both monitors instead" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:52] coz_: way too early to know that, check back in ~1month [11:53] or keep track of the bug [11:54] gnomefreak, sounds reasonable :) [11:56] coz_: i don't consider that a bug but rather the way it was before [11:57] wrst, well I understand that... but was puzzles me is the change in the first place,, considering that conservitively 40% of users have dual monitors ,, [11:58] i would much prefer the way it is now with dual monitors maybe there should be an option? [11:58] ask in #ubuntu-bugs to find out if it should be set as wishlist and if so ask them to mark as one [11:58] * gnomefreak doesnt have time atm [11:58] wrst, I stopped using kde because of the similar problem they have ,, you cant change the wallpaper on the secondary monitor [11:59] actually you can on kde you can run two independent wallpapers [11:59] but i rarely have a wallpaper that is sized to stretch over two monitors [12:00] wrst, understood ,, although I have tried everything on kde and nothing worked ,, but I prefer gnome anyway... but this seems like a chnage from somone that only uses a laptop :) [12:00] stretch option should do just that but ,,, i will wait a month or so to find out :) [12:00] i was glad to see it changed because of the ugliness of the wallpaper i actually used kde some [12:01] but overall i think gnome's support of dual monitors has been pretty bad when you compare to what kde has had for a while [12:01] wrst, whoa I feel just the oposite of that [12:02] but thanks for listening guys... [12:03] well the wallpapers is a big one for me, they always were awful on dual monitors until now unless you had a stretched out wallpaper just for them and using the tools that they provide to get dual monitors workign if you don't use nvidia-settings or ati catalyst i felt where way under powered compared to kde but the last couple of releases have fixed a lot of that from my perspective at least [12:03] but coz_ that's what makes opensource so great what works for one doesn't for another but eventually we will both have our cake and eat it too :) [12:04] wrst, well that is hopefully the way it will go lol [12:04] wrst, but I often remind people of the BUG#1 for ubuntu :) [12:04] ha ha i hope so coz_ [12:04] oh yes coz_ :) [12:05] wrst, when y ou consider bug #1 this kind of problem is nearly intolerable :) [12:05] Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [12:05] agreed coz_ [12:06] but i really love that ubuntu is making such strides towards usability [12:06] wrst, oh I wouldnt consider changin from ubuntu ,,,yet,,anyway,, I have been here from the beginning although I would still be on BeOs if it had a reasonable java option :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Guest2056 is now known as vega- [14:04] wayland? [14:08] wayland is good [14:09] anyone know how to fix natty after yesterday's updates? [14:09] No gui, no tty, no recovery menu [14:45] charlie-tca: you having some issues with Natty after recent update? [14:48] You mean besides the fact it won't boot? [14:49] It freezes towards the end of the boot process. I get a text screen on tty1 with boot processes; I get another screen at tty7 with other processes. [14:49] * patdk-wk is updating currentlyu [14:49] I can not change to tty2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 [14:49] I can not get a login prompt anywhere [14:49] tty1 is all you need :) [14:50] Not if you can not login on it [14:50] as long as ssh started, your good :) [14:51] updated, rebooting now [14:51] and how do I get the desktop using ssh when this is my primary system? [14:52] hmm, no issue here :( === JoeSett is now known as JoeMaverickSett [15:51] hi [15:52] ubuntu will use wayland in the future, instead of xorg? [15:52] maybe for 11.10 ? [15:53] what about for 12, 13, 14? [15:53] they will use wayland for the long run? [15:55] i would love to see ubuntu using wayladn [15:55] wayland* [15:55] diegoviola: Well, we wouldn't make a change like that and change back a release later. [15:55] When wayland is ready to replace X, it will happen. What release seems to be up the aire [15:55] jpds: nice [15:56] i'm happy that there will be a replacement finally! [15:56] to xorg [15:57] thanks for all your hard work [15:57] ;) [15:58] hm [15:58] one last question pls [15:59] let's say ubuntu 11 comes out with wayland and unity [15:59] If it is an easy one [15:59] what about fglrx, nvidia, etc? [15:59] they will release a driver to support wayland? [15:59] First, Ubuntu does two releases a year, thus the full numbers. 11.04, 11.10, etc [16:00] at this time, wayland with unity could support ATI and Intel [16:00] nvidia has issues, since nouveau does not have 3d support today [16:00] i mean the nvidia proprietary driver [16:00] It is in progress, though, and should be available in the 11.10 release [16:01] The nvidia propietary should support it already. It is just that it is not installed by default, so we need a 2d fallback (Gnome) [16:01] nice [16:02] so wayland is the future [16:02] looks like it [16:02] nice [16:02] Mark does not make announcements without a plan, normally [16:02] I see, thanks [16:02] You are welcome [16:04] Well wayland is an evolution of the whole X idea [16:04] knowing whats wrong with X and addressing all of those issues [16:04] so its awesome just for that [16:06] yeah cool [16:07] does wayland still uses the x11 protocol? [16:07] or it was its own? [16:07] or it extends the x11 protocol? [16:07] well it has its own protocol but does have compatability with x11 because it can run x11 clients [16:07] cool [16:08] * fagan gets the link where all of that is explained [16:08] is it multi-threaded? [16:08] thread-safe [16:08] http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html [16:09] thx [16:10] diegoviola: I dont have a clue what the threading situation is like but im sure it is already or will be done very soon if its not [16:11] cool [16:11] one of my wishlist with wayland is to implement some kind of fail-over [16:11] dunno how to descrive it [16:11] but [16:11] for example, if wayland crashes [16:11] to allow the apps to reconnect [16:11] to wayland [16:11] so all the apps don't go down [16:12] wayland shouldn't go down in the first place sure [16:12] but that's always nice to have ;) [16:13] well if X crashes all the apps go down too dont they? [16:13] * fagan hasnt got a X crash for a long time so doesnt know [16:13] yep [16:13] well its hard to fix that kind of thing [16:14] i read that X has some functionality for that [16:14] to make the apps and toolkits reconnect to the server [16:14] but i think nobody uses it [16:14] well because X doesnt crash much [16:14] so its kinda redundant === JoeSett is now known as JoeMaverickSett [18:30] when are we going to see ubuntu using wayland and unity? [18:33] why must everyone repeat the same questions [18:34] why must everyone repeat the same questions? [18:42] it'll be available for 11.10? [18:43] pls, i can't wait for this... [18:44] nobody knows when it will happen [18:45] =/ [19:28] please tell mark to do it [19:30] Someone besides me will be doing that. I don't have his phone number === mawale is now known as MaWaLe [19:37] =/ [19:47] i will try writing him on his blog then [19:47] i hope he reads my comment [20:17] http://www.osnews.com/story/23998/Finally_Ubuntu_Ditches_X_Switches_to_Wayland [20:17] amazing story [20:26] There will be lots of crap about it. Not all of it is true at this point. === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === diegovio1a is now known as diegoviola [21:15] Hey, peeps! I've got a vga connected form my netbook to my hdtv using a vga cord. It's showing, but the aspect ratio is 4:3. Any ideas as to how to get it to16:9? [21:17] litropy, running 11.04 ? === JanC_ is now known as JanC [21:55] * Crashbit hi! [22:23] Hello. Can please anybody tell me why is Ubuntu still frozen ? (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/) I am waiting 3 months now to upload my app but 2 months prior to Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) release the Ubuntu was Frozen because of the existing bugs that had to be fixed in some applications. But now I don't see a reason for Ubuntu to be frozen! REVU says nothing about uploading for Ubuntu 11.04, it only says 'Ubuntu is frozen' without any explanation. Can anyone [22:27] hakermania: I think revu is managed by the the MOTUs, so you should ask in #ubuntu-motu [22:27] Ok, I'm sorry, I'd gone to ubuntu-programming and they send me here :/ [22:28] right, this is the natty support channel, but we don't discuss creation of ubuntu packages here [22:30] hakermania: and don't worry, ubuntu does have a lot of IRC channels, so it's pretty usual to be sent around a bit until you get to the right place. Helps to stay on topic in the channels though [22:31] ok thx ;) [23:22] Would Natty pick up EDID on my buggy laptop? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaOnSonyLaptop [23:42] oias o/ [23:43] Yeah ... finaly. The new kernel broke my fglrx-ati driver ;D. And the free radeon driver dont know what powersave mode is. -_-. Well dont matter that much. I only have to pay a bit more for energy-costs. [23:43] :P [23:51] nice way to send my evening http://p.bugabundo.net/a-forca-que-um-bicho-destes-faz-reboque [23:52] huh, I finally got natty to boot after sshing in and running updates twice. No logins possible before that