[20:51] <humphreybc> sup
[20:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: I was literally just typing you an IM to remind you about the meeting. :)
[20:51] <humphreybc> you're lucky i'm here
[20:52] <godbyk> Ah, well, I see it as *you're* lucky *I'm* here. :-P
[20:52] <humphreybc> ha
[20:56] <flan> You're both unlucky, since I'm kinda here.
[20:57] <godbyk> Hey, flan.  Have you had any time to work on the Quickshot stuff?  I think the Dutch translation team is basically waiting on us.
[20:57] <flan> That's been ported over.
[20:57] <flan> But all they're missing is the first screenshot.
[20:57] <flan> I could capture that manually.
[20:57] <godbyk> Ah, okay.
[20:57] <flan> Or they could.
[20:58] <flan> It's really easy to do.
[20:58] <godbyk> Speak of the devil... Hey, Hannie. :)
[20:58] <flan> Just pop the ISO into VirtualBox and crop it with The GIMP.
[20:58] <Hannie> Hi there
[20:58] <flan> Call it '01-welcome.png' and pass it to anyone with bzr commit access.
[20:59] <godbyk> Hannie: flan said that he thinks you're just missing one screenshot and that you could probably take it manually.
[20:59] <godbyk> He's setup the new Quickshot server.
[20:59] <Hannie> I was told the quickshot server is not working
[20:59] <godbyk> flan: Is the new Quickshot app itself usable?
[20:59] <flan> Taking it manually's probably easier.
[20:59] <flan> It is.
[20:59] <flan> It also seems pretty stable.
[20:59] <godbyk> 'kay.
[20:59] <flan> But some of its wording may be counter-intuitive.
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> evening
[21:00] <flan> It needs us to give it a full run-through before we can call it 1.0.
[21:00] <Hannie> Hi Chris
[21:00] <flan> http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04 nl's only off by one screenshot. You can preview the others (JPEG compression) online.
[21:01] <flan> And reject anything that doesn't look right.
[21:01] <humphreybc> so who's here?
[21:01] <flan> Not me.
[21:01] <Hannie> Yes, 47 shots are there
[21:01] <flan> Oh. Not -welcome.
[21:01] <ChrisWoollard> not me either
[21:01] <flan> It's first-slide.
[21:01] <flan> So you'd need to get as far as starting the install.
[21:01] <flan> Still easy to do in VirtualBox, though.
[21:02] <mattgriffin> hi
[21:02] <humphreybc> hey matt
[21:02] <ChrisWoollard> hey matt
[21:02] <humphreybc> okay should we start this meeting? I don't have an agenda, slightly hungover
[21:03] <flan> Stop drinking, college-boy. =P
[21:03] <Hannie> Ready, steady, go
[21:03] <ChrisWoollard> nothing like preperation
[21:03] <humphreybc> #startmeeting
[21:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:03. The chair is humphreybc.
[21:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:03] <humphreybc> okay
[21:03]  * trijntje is reading along
[21:03] <humphreybc> should we figure out where we're at first?
[21:03]  * daker o/
[21:03] <Hannie> hey tijntje
[21:04] <humphreybc> [TOPIC] Where are we at currently?
[21:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Where are we at currently?
[21:04] <godbyk> Which branch do you want to hear about first?
[21:04] <humphreybc> maverick
[21:04] <humphreybc> top priority first
[21:04] <ChrisWoollard> It requires screenshots
[21:04] <trijntje> Hi Hannie
[21:05] <humphreybc> what about the changes from lucid?
[21:05] <godbyk> Maverick's had some editing, writing, and reorganization done to it, but still needs a bit more of each.
[21:05] <humphreybc> ok
[21:05] <godbyk> I don't know that there's been any systematic effort to check for the changes from lucid and update the manual.
[21:05] <humphreybc> hmm
[21:05]  * ChrisWoollard is looking for stuff
[21:05] <humphreybc> so should we appeal for people to help?
[21:06] <godbyk> Sure.
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> i would say yes
[21:06] <humphreybc> well
[21:06] <humphreybc> if we could get a list of changes
[21:06] <humphreybc> like a todo list
[21:06] <humphreybc> i'll post some stuff on OMG! and see who we can get to help
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> it is the url i have been trying to get people to proof read
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/382986/ubuntu-manual/UbuntuManual.html
[21:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/382986/ubuntu-manual/UbuntuManual.html
[21:07] <godbyk> If we're having random passersby read the manual to look for changes, we should assign them each a different chapter or section so we don't have everyone read the installation chapter and then quit.
[21:07] <humphreybc> yeah
[21:07] <Omega> Oh, I got here on time.
[21:07] <c7p> one guy from my loco team reviewed some chapters -more on pad-
[21:07] <michael_k> it was me
[21:07] <ChrisWoollard> i am looking for the pad link
[21:08] <michael_k> i ma currently reviwing ch 4
[21:08] <c7p> hey michael :)
[21:08] <michael_k> hey john!
[21:08] <humphreybc> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-m-todo
[21:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-m-todo
[21:08] <humphreybc> let's try to quickly jot down known changes between lucid and maverick here
[21:08] <humphreybc> while the meeting continues and after
[21:09] <ChrisWoollard> the install has changed
[21:09] <ChrisWoollard> it still needs updating
[21:09] <ChrisWoollard> +screenshots
[21:09] <humphreybc> [ACTION] Team to create checklist and todo in etherpad
[21:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Team to create checklist and todo in etherpad
[21:09] <ryu_kurisu> New ubuntu font is added (going open-source when complete)
[21:09] <humphreybc> [ACTION] Benjamin to write a post on OMG! and get some peeps over here to help out
[21:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Benjamin to write a post on OMG! and get some peeps over here to help out
[21:10] <ChrisWoollard> Here is the proof reading log of what is done
[21:10] <ChrisWoollard> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-10-10-pr-log
[21:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-10-10-pr-log
[21:10] <michael_k> c7p has also posted for help in our forum. Maybe other loco temas could do the same
[21:10] <humphreybc> neat
[21:11] <humphreybc> I'm keen to keep the meeting moving on and continue further discussion in the mailing list
[21:11] <humphreybc> anyone else have any action items for the maverick manual?
[21:11] <humphreybc> flan: what's the story with quickshot?
[21:12] <ChrisWoollard> I am not sure. I haven't read the rest yet. I have been a bit slack on that front.
[21:12]  * humphreybc feels like he's talking to himself
[21:12] <ryu_kurisu> I'm might be able to contact the Dutch LoCo
[21:13] <Hannie> trijntje does the screenshots, he is here
[21:13] <humphreybc> okay
[21:14] <humphreybc> well since no one is talking about this, i'll move on to the next topic
[21:14] <Hannie> when will the server be ok?
[21:14] <humphreybc> [When are we going to release Maverick?]
[21:14] <godbyk> Hannie: Using the new Quickshot with the new Quickshot server should work fine.
[21:15] <godbyk> Hannie: The old Quickshot app won't work, though.
[21:15] <Hannie> And is the new Quickshot working at the moment?
[21:15] <humphreybc> [TOPIC] When are we going to release the maverick manual?
[21:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  When are we going to release the maverick manual?
[21:15] <godbyk> Hannie: Per flan, it should be, yes.
[21:15] <c7p1> humphreybc: hm, is there any dead line for the writing ?
[21:16] <humphreybc> should we aim for two weeks from now or something?
[21:16] <Hannie> ok, thanks
[21:16] <ChrisWoollard> i would say asap.
[21:16] <michael_k> +1
[21:16] <humphreybc> righto
[21:16] <humphreybc> [ACTION] Release maverick manual ASAP
[21:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Release maverick manual ASAP
[21:16] <ryu_kurisu> I've send word to sehof of the Dutch LoCo
[21:16] <humphreybc> [TOPIC] Should we put a hold on translations until the team has a better infrastructure to handle them?
[21:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Should we put a hold on translations until the team has a better infrastructure to handle them?
[21:17] <godbyk> I think that the lucid translations can probably continue.
[21:17] <godbyk> For maverick translations, I guess it'll depend on how long it takes us to get a better infrastructure in place.
[21:17] <humphreybc> It's best to start translations after the final freeze
[21:17] <michael_k> I wouldn't like that but we can release english version and release tranlsations as they get completed
[21:18] <humphreybc> yeah
[21:18] <ryu_kurisu> I don't know, it would be wise to start translation only when the manuel is complete....or start on sections that are finilised
[21:18] <humphreybc> because when we change things as they're translating, it doesn't work too good
[21:18] <humphreybc> yeah
[21:18] <humphreybc> well
[21:18] <ryu_kurisu> *manual
[21:18] <c7p1> current infrastructure (launchpad) has some bugs but we should keep on releasing translated editions
[21:19] <ChrisWoollard> I would say that we should really push for screenshots too be done soon.
[21:19] <humphreybc> we're probably going to change our structure to aim for main release about 2 weeks after ubuntu comes out
[21:19] <michael_k> I think it;s eassier for translators to work with finished products
[21:19] <Omega> But other languages will lag behind substiantially then.
[21:19] <humphreybc> yeah
[21:19] <Hannie> If there are only minor changes we can start translating maverich asap
[21:19] <humphreybc> see this is the thing, some languages will never get done due to the 6 month cycle
[21:19] <humphreybc> by the time they've almost been done, it'll be time for the next manual
[21:19] <michael_k> that's true even for Ubuntu itself
[21:20] <humphreybc> yeah
[21:20] <humphreybc> but even harder for a 170 page book
[21:20] <Omega> Maybe we can use a \releasename \releasenumber command in the doc's so those get updated automatically?
[21:20] <humphreybc> hence I think only certain instances should be translated, maybe just LTS releases to give 2 years for full translation
[21:20] <c7p1> there should be selected freezed content for every release so the translators cope with the work more easily
[21:20] <trijntje> are chapter-freezes an idea? That way translations could start early on
[21:20] <godbyk> Omega: Where would you use those?
[21:21] <trijntje> and just create translation templates per chapter and combine them when building?
[21:21] <godbyk> Right now our writing freeze coincides with our release, basically.
[21:21] <Omega> godbyk: Everywhere you want to say "Maverick"
[21:21] <Omega> or "10.10"
[21:21] <ryu_kurisu> well, some pages are filed with pictures...and really simple to translate sections
[21:21] <humphreybc> trijntje: maybe but it's hard to organize especially with ubuntu ignoring their UI freeze
[21:21] <michael_k> also if there are no complete rewrites of large parts translations can progress farily qyickly
[21:22] <humphreybc> should we defer further discussion of translations into a new mailing list thread?
[21:22] <ryu_kurisu> that's true
[21:22] <humphreybc> (also to include the many translators that aren't here)
[21:23] <Hannie> That is a good idea
[21:23] <humphreybc> michael_k: do you reckon you could start up a new thread to the list?
[21:23] <michael_k> ok !
[21:23] <ryu_kurisu> I'm not a translator, but most parts are the same for lucid and maverick, right?
[21:23] <humphreybc> thanks
[21:24] <ryu_kurisu> They've switched to applications for two similar applications
[21:24] <humphreybc> Okay, I think we should aim for these things this week and have another meeting next weekend to discuss more about the project
[21:25] <humphreybc> right now we have the following goals, to get the maverick manual out, finish screenshots, get new contributors for the final push, release the website (will talk to daker) and have further discussion about translations
[21:25] <trijntje> ryu_kurisu, I dont think LP is that good at recognising that strings are very similar. If the English text changes all translations are discarded. Even fixes for typo's I believe
[21:25] <c7p1> actually we should promote more the project and apeal more volunteers
[21:25] <humphreybc> c7p1: yeah
[21:25] <humphreybc> but
[21:25] <ChrisWoollard> +1
[21:25] <c7p1> who is writing the content now ?
[21:25] <humphreybc> no point getting people to help if there's nothing to do
[21:25] <Hannie> Have you read the proposal of Jonas: New Features guide
[21:25] <c7p1> sure
[21:26] <ChrisWoollard> That was mine
[21:26] <ChrisWoollard> idea that is
[21:26] <humphreybc> so are we happy with those goals for this week?
[21:26] <c7p1> yap but i don't remeber what he said :/ nvm i ld look at it
[21:26] <michael_k> I propose to get done with maverick asap and start working on that for natty so we can assign  tasks to new people coming
[21:26] <humphreybc> yeah, we should have a meeting solely to discuss team structure
[21:27] <c7p1> +1
[21:27] <michael_k> +1
[21:27] <humphreybc> let's get this maverick manual out somehow
[21:27] <humphreybc> and then work on that afterwards
[21:27] <humphreybc> sound cool?
[21:27] <ChrisWoollard> Yep. Can't do anything else until then
[21:27] <humphreybc> so we'll defer stuff to the list, i'll write a summary of the meeting and send that too later today
[21:28] <c7p1> cool
[21:28] <humphreybc> michael_k: start up a translation thread
[21:28] <humphreybc> I think those are good goals for this week
[21:28] <humphreybc> another meeting, same time next Friday?
[21:28] <michael_k> OK! hope to get it by tomorrow morning!
[21:28] <humphreybc> okay
[21:29] <ChrisWoollard> So, who can help with what and when? Any responsibilities?
[21:29] <c7p1> sounds good to me
[21:29] <michael_k> next Friday same time is OK for me
[21:29] <humphreybc> i'll make sure next meeting has an agenda
[21:29] <humphreybc> ChrisWoollard: I'll make sure our list of changes is concise
[21:29] <michael_k> i' ll continue reviewing ch. 4 and continue to other chapters
[21:29] <humphreybc> godbyk: are the instructions on our website for writers etc up to date?
[21:30] <Hannie> Is each chapter assigned to one person?
[21:30] <humphreybc> Hannie: not currently
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> not at the moment
[21:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: For writers working on the Maverick edition, they should be up-to-date, yeah.
[21:30] <humphreybc> maybe we should do that
[21:30] <michael_k> just check etherpad
[21:30] <humphreybc> ok
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-10-10-pr-log
[21:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-10-10-pr-log
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[21:31] <humphreybc> ok
[21:31] <humphreybc> cool
[21:31] <ChrisWoollard> The installation chapter needs looking at as the whole install changed
[21:31] <humphreybc> well i'm out for now but i'll fire off something to the list today and write a post on OMG early next week
[21:31] <Hannie> bye
[21:31] <trijntje> bye all
[21:31] <humphreybc> see ya guys, thanks for coming
[21:32] <dutchie> humphreybc: don't forget to stop the meeting
[21:32] <humphreybc> is this time good for meetings?
[21:32] <ryu_kurisu> You'ra welcome =D
[21:32] <ChrisWoollard> always good for me
[21:32] <Hannie> for me it is
[21:32] <humphreybc> okay
[21:32] <humphreybc> #endmeeting
[21:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:32.
[21:32] <ryu_kurisu> humpreybc: As far as I'm concerned it is
[21:32] <humphreybc> okay
[21:32] <Hannie> 22:32
[21:32] <humphreybc> i'll mail the list again
[21:32] <humphreybc> for a new meeting
[21:32] <humphreybc> chow!
[21:32] <Omega> Cya!
[21:32] <michael_k> ok! bb
[21:32] <c7p1> bye
[21:33] <Hannie> See you
[21:44] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[21:45] <daker> Muscovy, hi
[21:45] <Muscovy> Meeting hasn't happened yet, has it?
[21:45] <Muscovy> I've just gotten in.
[21:46] <daker> it's already finished
[21:46] <Muscovy> Oh.