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ubuntu4shane!package guide02:41
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genupulasmy empathy not showing online gmail contacts.....can any one help me please03:36
persiagenupulas, You'll want #ubuntu : this isn't a support channel, and we mostly care for packages that aren't installed by default for any flavour, so don7t do much with empathy anyway.03:38
genupulaspersia,  tell me a perfect IM03:40
ubuntu4shaneok, I have a non-typical source for a python package, when I run sudo dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc in the directory it builds me a nice little deb, however that doesn't seem to be the way to do things according to this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python03:48
ubuntu4shaneI would like to build a deb that would be able to go into a ppa, or ideally into a main repo.  I really need a complete a-z guide to teach me how to do this.03:49
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports03:50
RAOFA - Z!03:50
ubuntu4shaneRAOF, well, sort of.03:50
RAOFIt doesn't go into Python policy specifically, no.03:50
RAOFAlthough a quick google search will net you http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/03:51
ubuntu4shaneRAOF, thanks, I must not have been googling correctly, that debian one, looks like an intense read03:52
RAOFGenerally a google search of “debain $X policy” will get you the relevant policy document as one of the top results.03:53
RAOFThat will describe the various corner-cases and decisions required to produce a proper $X package.03:53
ubuntu4shanewell, I never would have thought of googling that!  :)  I'm not a programmer, or a developer, just trying to get a package packaged03:54
ubuntu4shaneI'm thinking this is all over my head.03:54
ubuntu4shaneThis package here:  http://www.bibleanalyzer.com/download.htm  is what I would love to see properly formatted so that it could be put in a ppa or 'official' repo03:55
ubuntu4shaneit is funny, written for Windows by the developer, however it is written in python, so works very nicely in ubuntu/linux03:55
RAOFIf dpkg-buildpackage works you can probably put it in a PPA.04:13
RAOFTo make it into Ubuntu proper, though, will require making it policy-compliant.04:13
ubuntu4shaneRAOF, ok, I have a launchpad account for bugs, I seen something in there about a ppa, is that the same?04:14
ubuntu4shaneRAOF, so in theory I have a ppa, and didn't know it?04:15
RAOFYou've got access to a PPA, yes.04:15
ubuntu4shaneRAOF, ok, I think I'm wrapping my head around this stuff, thanks04:16
ubuntu4shanethe dev actually did the packaging of it for Ubuntu, but he really isn't a Linux user at all04:17
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dholbachgood morning!07:30
Tsar_EvitsaHu all07:39
sladendholbach: morgan herr holbach.  Ich sehe das wetter in Berlin ist normal08:09
dholbachsladen, Guten Morgen Herr Sladen - das Wetter in Berlin ist eine Katastrophe! Zu kalt! Zu nass!08:11
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sladendholbach: ...innerhalb toleraz08:16
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ari-tczewmicahg: ping12:28
xteejxHi all12:43
xteejxscikit-learn FTBFS because of a directive error in numpydoc.py. There is a fix upstream....12:44
xteejxcan we just take the fixes even though there is a version difference if it still works?12:44
xteejxspecifically: http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/changeset/854912:44
cjwatsonfor natty, you can either backport the fixes or take a new upstream release, whichever is most convenient12:45
cjwatsonif the latter, best to coordinate via Debian12:45
xteejxcjwatson: Wouldn't they ignore it, since they're in freeze?12:45
cjwatsonthat depends.  is it failing to build there too?12:46
cjwatsonif it is, that would be RC12:46
cjwatsonyou should at the very least ask the Debian maintainer ...12:46
xteejxI'm assuming so with the tools in experimental12:46
cjwatsonthey might for instance be interested in uploading a new upstream version to experimental12:46
xteejxThey doin't have the affect version., its in exp12:47
xteejxunstable, sorry12:47
cjwatsonin fact, there's *already* a new upstream in experimental12:47
cjwatson scikit-learn | 0.5-1 | experimental | source12:47
cjwatsonis that sufficient?12:47
xteejxYeah, can we take from that?12:47
cjwatsonsure, requestsync12:47
xteejx(gain doing things the long/hard way) hehe12:48
cjwatson(-d experimental)12:48
xteejxE: The environment variable UBUMAIL, DEBEMAIL or EMAIL needs to be set to let this script mail the sync request. don't think I have requestsync set up lol12:49
xteejxI'll do it manually12:49
cjwatsonit would probably be time well spent to set up requestsync12:49
xteejxdoes it support SMTP?12:49
cjwatsonsync requests filed that way are guaranteed to match certain patterns such that they get processed quickly12:49
cjwatsonsearch for SMTP in the manual page12:49
xteejxI see12:49
xteejxAll done, I added the --lp option and it worked fine12:59
xteejxHow do I "extract" a debian .dsc to edit a fix?13:39
ari-tczewxteejx:  dpkg-source -x *.dsc13:41
xteejxari-tczew: Cool thank you :)13:41
ari-tczewyou're welcome13:41
xteejxsidenote; I don't know if this is any use to anyone learning but its helped me http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html13:43
xteejxCan we request a sync for a package in debian that we don't have?13:48
ScottKxteejx: You can, or you can just wait a bit and it will get in automatically.13:49
xteejxScottK: Its in deb experimental, will that matter?13:49
ScottKxteejx: yes.  that will have to be requested.13:49
xteejxAhh Ok, no prob :)13:49
ari-tczewxteejx: we have set on autosync on unstable.13:49
xteejxari-tczew: So anything in exp gets missed unless its filed manually?13:50
shane4ubuntu!package guide13:50
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports13:50
xteejxI don't need that, I'm not packaging13:50
ari-tczewxteejx: yes. If you want something from Debian, you must request it13:50
xteejxOk :)13:51
ScottKari-tczew: Syncs from unstable don't need to be requested now.13:53
cjwatsonxteejx: I just (coincidentally) sent mail to ubuntu-devel clarifying what you need to request manually13:53
cjwatsonari-tczew: ^-13:53
xteejxhehe :)13:54
ari-tczewScottK: I missed write ..from Debian experimental13:54
ScottKari-tczew: OK.  That's correct.13:54
xteejxHmmm....the newer pkgversion depends on joblib >=0.4.5 but it fails quite badly and I don't know how to fix that :(13:55
xteejxI think I'll give up on that one to be honest :(13:55
ari-tczewxteejx: joblib is FTBFS. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/joblib/0.4.3-114:01
ari-tczewlooking on the buildlog, it's related to python14:02
xteejxari-tczew: That's the same error in the exp version I tried14:02
xteejxI'm moving on to something else anyway. When the joblib FTBFS is fixed, the other will work14:02
tumbleweedari-tczew: That's an interesting FTBFS. It looks like our buildds don't have /dev/shm mounted14:26
ari-tczewcjwatson: could you consider merge usbmount (universe)? last uploader is not interested.14:31
ScottKari-tczew: He's a pretty busy person, perhaps he's not the best one to try to assign work to.14:32
ScottKari-tczew: You might send a mail to the ubuntu-motu ML looking for a volunteer if you aren't up for it.14:32
ari-tczewScottK: This is not very important priority. I just wanted ask cjwatson due to I think that he is familiar with similiar packages.14:34
ScottKOK.  He's one of the busier people on the Ubuntu foundations team.14:34
ari-tczewI've noticed, that he is hard-working.14:35
* geser wishes that Debian would have build logs for all architectures14:35
ari-tczewtumbleweed: I pinged you yesterday. About your patch in hylafax: I suggest to replace it with upstream fix.14:36
tumbleweedari-tczew: sure, I can look at that14:37
tumbleweedari-tczew: I thought the DD responsible for it was busy in ubuntu?14:37
ari-tczewtumbleweed: was busy in Ubuntu?14:38
tumbleweederr, kept an eye on his package in ubuntu, and responded to bug reports14:38
shane4ubuntuI setup a ppa, and tried to add my own ppa to my system, and get this: Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint14:38
shane4ubuntuI added a key, just today though, does it take a while to import?14:39
ScottKshane4ubuntu: PPA support is in #launchpad.14:39
shane4ubuntuScottK, ahh, ok, thanks14:39
ScottKNo problem.14:39
shane4ubuntuScottK, on a side note does launchpad belong to ubuntu?14:40
ScottKshane4ubuntu: No.  They are separate projects that just happen to be both sponsored by Canonical.  Ubuntu is a user of Launchpad.14:40
ari-tczewtumbleweed: I've forwarded your patch to Debian. Response was very quickly. Read more on comments, debian bug 56500114:40
ubottuDebian bug 565001 in hylafax "hylafax: ftbfs with gcc-4.5" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/56500114:40
sladenshane4ubuntu: Ubuntu is a user of an instance of Launchpad14:40
shane4ubuntuScottK, ok, once again, thanks + sladen14:40
ScottKsladen: There's more than one?14:41
sladenshane4ubuntu: just like anyone can run their own Apache, anyone (can if they wish) setup and run an instance of Launchpad14:41
azeemyeah; I do this every time I'm bored for 5 minutes14:42
tumbleweedari-tczew: you saw Giuseppe Sacco's e-mail? he was active in the ubuntu bug for this, and (presumably) got this fix in upstream14:42
ari-tczewtumbleweed: yes I saw14:43
shane4ubuntusladen, that is kind of what I thought, because if someone just goes to launchpad, sometimes it is difficult to find the right place to report a problem, but we digress, thanks for the info14:43
tumbleweedari-tczew: I'm happy to wait for the fixed version via Debian14:43
ari-tczewtumbleweed: so, what do you think about replace your patch with fix from git?14:43
ari-tczew(avoid not shipping homemade patches, prefer to use cherry-picking)14:44
tumbleweedari-tczew: I don't think it's worth the effort. My patch was a hack, but it'll go away when we next sync. Unless we need to merge in the meantime, in which case the upstream fix is probably preferable14:44
tumbleweedit doesn't actually matter how we fix this bug - my fix isn't *bad* just ugly14:44
sladenshane4ubuntu: I tend to hand-type the URLs;  eg.  http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/package-name/+filebug14:47
sladenshane4ubuntu: since clicking your way around the maze is often quite time-consuming14:47
tumbleweedkeyword bookmarks are great for that (I have lpts = https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/%s)14:48
cjwatsonari-tczew: ScottK's right in general.  I looked at this one; I think we can just sync it since Debian is now installing to our current udev rules location and the rest of the changes aren't worth carrying.  I'll deal with that14:53
ari-tczewcjwatson: thanks!14:53
* cjwatson uses requestsync for the first time ;-)14:59
cjwatsonari-tczew: BTW, did you check with Bhavi that he wasn't interested in doing that merge, or were you going by the comment on MoM?15:01
cjwatsonhopefully this wasn't an example of a stale comment ...15:01
tumbleweedbdrung: hmm, looks like we need to set DEB_VENDOR for dpkg-source, too: http://raphaelhertzog.com/?p=94215:03
bdrungtumbleweed: yes. patches are welcome. :)15:29
ari-tczewcjwatson: as I wrote in the 2nd part of my question to you: last uploader is not interested.15:33
ari-tczewI asked Bhavi, don't worry15:33
cjwatsonok, cool, I just wanted to check your source for that comment :-)15:37
ari-tczew; ))15:39
tumbleweedbdrung: yeah, I'll look at it. There are probably also more places we need to support UBUMAIL15:45
RhondaI guess axp should get removed from natty?16:29
micahgari-tczew: pong16:32
ari-tczewmicahg: are you going to merge gxine (universe) ?16:33
micahgari-tczew: that was just uploaded today to unstable, but yes, I'll do it, just not now16:36
micahgor yestaerday rather16:36
ari-tczewmicahg: could you comment it on MoM?16:36
micahgari-tczew: done16:37
cjwatsonI thought we had this out already.  People shouldn't need to explicitly say that they will merge things for which they're touched-it-last; it should be the default assumption.16:37
ari-tczewcjwatson: what's the conclusion?16:38
* micahg also thought we weren't supposed to bother with debian revisions this early in the cycle16:38
mr_pouit(especially if the debian upload is a few hours old)16:38
ScottKari-tczew: The conclusion is assume the TIL person will do it.16:38
cjwatsonari-tczew: you were the only one who thought that people needed to explicitly say, AFAICT ...16:38
ScottKThere is plenty of time after DIF to deal with the ones that aren't done.16:39
ari-tczewcjwatson, ScottK: not everyone is inetrested in merging16:39
cjwatsonari-tczew: then we can deal with that after DIF16:40
cjwatsonari-tczew: at this point, it's noise16:40
ScottKari-tczew: You are disturbing a lot of people to little purpose right now.  Patience please.16:40
cjwatsonmicahg: you're welcome to, but it's often not particularly urgent16:40
micahgcjwatson: right, and I have plenty of WI for Natty :)16:41
ari-tczewI just want clean up universe outstanding merges in natty.16:41
Laneypost DIF is the time for that.16:41
* ari-tczew is looking when is DIF...16:41
Laney(and it's worth noting that a merge is not always worthwhile)16:42
Laney(so "clean up" and "outstanding" might not be right)16:42
ari-tczewDecember 30th. at the end of the year.16:42
cjwatsoncleaning up merges is a reasonable goal, certainly - but I think poking people about merges created yesterday is going a bit far16:42
LaneyChecking the list is a ~fortnightly thing for me, so yes.16:43
ScottKari-tczew: What would be useful is checking up on merges that are left over from Maverick and before untouched.16:44
ScottKClearly no one is doing those.16:44
* micahg actually has one claimed on that list as well :-/16:45
ScottKcjwatson: Do you still have the script you used to get a list of very stale merges and could you reasonably easily produce another list for people to work on?16:45
ari-tczewScottK: hmmm. OK I got your point. Example, there are packages waiting so long, like gnome-* related.16:45
cjwatsonScottK: oh, yes - running16:46
cjwatsonhm, now how was it I constructed the sample Sources files16:47
cjwatsonah yes, I helpfully put URLs in the spec16:49
ari-tczewI'll slow down in asking of merges. I'll be a bit busy till 10th Dec.16:54
cjwatsonhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/526429/ - I'll sort out mailing ubuntu-devel about it in a bit16:54
cjwatsonwouldn't mind cleaning up a few of my own there first ;-)16:54
cjwatsonthat's anything unmerged since http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20100211T033845Z/dists/squeeze/16:54
ari-tczewcjwatson: this is generated by script?16:55
ari-tczewcjwatson: huh, only 4716:55
cjwatsonnot as bad as you thought, eh? ;-)16:55
ari-tczewcjwatson: Certainly. I see that some of them are in main and universe.16:56
cjwatsonthe ones in main are there due to being excruciatingly painful to do, mostly16:57
ScottKari-tczew: You are completely welcome to sort out ttf-ubuntu-title.16:57
ari-tczewScottK: Too hard for me. This package should review upstream author.16:57
ari-tczewcjwatson: are you able to create a special MoM department for this list?16:58
ScottKari-tczew: OK.  Perhaps you could hunt them down and get advice?16:58
cjwatsonuh, I suppose in principle but not at the moment ...16:58
ari-tczewScottK: I can send a message.16:58
cjwatsonfile a wishlist bug please?16:58
ScottKari-tczew: Sounds good.16:59
ScottKari-tczew: Do you have an amd64 system to work on (mine are all i386)?17:04
cjwatson(for the avoidance of doubt, I generally think asking about merges is OK if they're actually blocking something else - on the principle that it's good to get unblocked as quickly as possible)17:05
ari-tczewScottK: Unfortunately, not.17:07
* achiang wonders what ari-tczew is doing with #67144517:07
ScottKOK.  Thanks.17:07
ari-tczewachiang: testing?17:07
ScottKIf someone has an amd64 chroot/vm to play in and has a few minutes, I'd appreciate it if they could investigate why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libclamunrar/0.96.4-1/+build/2025789 is failing.17:07
ari-tczewachiang: please complete DEP3 tags in your 15*.diff patch?17:08
achiangari-tczew: will do.17:08
achiangari-tczew: i was only asking because i haven't seen other ubuntu-sponsors assign bugs to themselves before.17:09
achiangari-tczew: so i was curious17:09
ari-tczewachiang: If sponsor has assigned to themselve, it means that he will sponsor it.17:11
ari-tczewmaybe not in 5 minutes, but will do it17:11
achiangari-tczew: ok, thank you for the explanation. i didn't see that described in the MOTU wiki page, which is why i asked.17:12
RoAkSoAxcan a -dev binary package Depend on other -dev binary packages (library -dev packages) of the same source17:12
gesersure, why not17:15
RoAkSoAxgeser: and should all libXX-dev depend on libXX ?17:16
geseryes, else the .so symlink is dangling17:17
RoAkSoAxgeser: ok thanks :)17:17
DktrKranzScottK: I have a box, if you want to do some tests17:18
seidoswhat in the...never even heard of squid, haproxy, puppet, nagios, and asterisk17:25
jpdsseidos: Where have you been?17:26
xteejxHi all17:30
xteejxI'm thinking of starting on merges, have done numerous FTBFS, what is the workflow?17:30
RhondaI want a better network connection.17:31
Rhondaworking on sulfur is not funny from here.  %-/17:32
micahgRhonda: PM?17:32
jpdsRhonda: traceroute?17:32
Rhondajpds: mtr doesn't look too evil17:32
Rhondam... said too early. Now it started give me 40% packet loss17:33
Rhondamicahg:  yes?17:34
xteejxIf the only thing in REPORT is debian/control, that means it's a full merge, i.e keeping all Ubuntu changes, right?17:34
xteejxapart from any incontrol itself17:34
micahgxteejx: not necessarily17:35
micahgxteejx: but usually17:35
xteejxmicahg: This is where I get confused with merges17:35
micahgxteejx: also, general rule is person who touched it last merges, but sometimes people upload a quick fix and have no interest in the package17:36
xteejxthere is no mention in the debian changelog of our chnges, so I assume they werent sent upstream or not needed/implemented17:36
micahgxteejx: you might want to read the discussion about an hour ago on this channel17:36
xteejxtime to scrollback ;)17:36
xteejxI get the gist of what was said :)17:38
ScottKDktrKranz: I'm guessing it's trivial to understand one you have the failed build.  Could you build it locally and have a look (if not, access later would be great)?17:39
xteejxversion .65-1 in unstable 04/2008, updated 03/2010 to the version we have now17:40
xteejxI don't see any clues relating to someone working on the merge17:40
Rhondaah, cable network, much better17:41
geserxteejx: which package are you trying to merge?17:42
xteejxgeser: console-tools17:43
xteejxit was the first one without a comment on mom17:43
micahgxteejx: as cjwatson said, comments should be required to own merges17:44
xteejxno but the last update was 3 deb versions ago in 200817:45
xteejxie karmic17:45
micahgxteejx: then you should be ok :)17:45
geserxteejx: from just a quick on the Ubuntu delta, I'd suggest you to pick an other (easier) merge for your first merge17:46
xteejxgeser: Hmm, it looked easy at first glance tbh, what would you suggest? A minor version change or something?17:46
geserxteejx: it's not about minor/major version change but more about the amount and size of the Ubuntu delta17:47
xteejxIts not my first merge, but it'll be one of them :)17:47
geseryou can take "lustre" from me if you want17:47
xteejxSo one where our changes are small and therefore easier to do?17:48
xteejxgeser: huh?17:48
geserI mean merge "lustre" (from my pending merges)17:48
xteejxJust like a good developer..here's my workload ;) hehe :)17:48
xteejxI'll have a look :D17:48
RhondaWhy would one block outgoing git:// connections?  :/17:49
geserat least I won't complain that somebody took my merges :)17:49
xteejxhaha :)17:49
xteejxgeser: I've looked at the changelogs, am I right in thinking this would be a full merge?17:52
geseryes, I just looked quickly at our changes and it looks like all need to be kept (I guess I forgot to forward the bashism one :( )17:53
xteejxok have removed the diff3 markers in the bashisms.dpatch file, should be ok now?17:55
xteejxObv will test buil17:56
xteejxbloody fireworks17:57
xteejxgeser: Yup18:08
xteejxNov 5th in the UK is a celebration of Guy Fawkes trying to blow up the houses of parliament18:09
xteejxso much for hating terrorism....18:09
xteejxhmmm the bashisms pacth doesn't apply to the new db version18:10
gesercheck if it's still needed or if it got silently fixed18:12
ari-tczewxteejx: due to structure of file? or are you applying by patch?18:12
xteejxI'm going thru each of the to-be-patched files, loks like it's just moved around18:12
ari-tczewcjwatson: bug 67154218:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 671542 in Merge-o-Matic "Separate department for required merges" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67154218:14
xteejxgeser: None of the chnages were made upstream18:16
xteejxCould it just be the line numbers?18:16
xteejxalso there's "diff --git a/ldiskfs/configure.ac b/ldiskfs/configure.ac" which I haven't seen before18:17
ari-tczewcjwatson: could you check why dssi exist on universe? It has been synced18:25
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I just got your mail, is it true? thanks for notifying18:40
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I don't lie. ; ))18:40
bilalakhtarari-tczew: BTW, what do you mean by TIL ?18:41
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: Touched In Last,18:41
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: 2nd mail sent.18:43
ari-tczewCc'ed to Bhavi also.18:43
* bilalakhtar checks18:43
bilalakhtarari-tczew: this list of merges is what?18:45
bilalakhtarWhat do you mean by out-of-date merges?18:47
bilalakhtarMerges that have been stagnant since long?18:47
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/526506/18:49
* bilalakhtar would have bashed ari-tczew had he been here19:00
Rhondasex is long removed from both Debian and Ubuntu19:06
* Rhonda dances the happy dance: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/wesnoth19:07
* chilicuil dances too ^_^19:14
DktrKranzScottK: here's debian/ content after build failure: http://pastebin.com/9dzw6Xgy19:17
DktrKranzit installs under lib64, while .install files only looks under usr/lib/19:21
ScottKslangasek: Did something change between Debian and Ubuntu where Ubuntu installs into lib64 on purpose?19:31
slangasekScottK: in the name of all that is holy, no19:32
slangasek /lib64 is a symlink to /lib - nothing should install to /lib6 419:33
slangaseknor /usr/lib6419:33
ScottKOK.  I didn't think so, but I'm left wondering how this works on Debian and not Ubuntu then.19:33
Rhondachilicuil: Do you see why I do it? ;)19:34
ScottKIt wasn't built on a buildd for Debian, so hard to know.19:37
ScottKDktrKranz: Could I have the buildlog please.19:37
chilicuilRhonda: not sure, I do dance because of a nice update in wesnoth n_n19:38
ScottKDktrKranz: Nevermind.  The buildd log is enough.19:38
DktrKranzScottK: if you want me to do additional tests, I still have chroot open19:41
ScottKDktrKranz: I think it's OK for now.  Thanks.19:41
DktrKranzScottK: this is build log for unstable/amd64: http://debomatic64.debian.net/unstable/pool/libclamunrar_0.96.4-1/libclamunrar_0.96.4-1.buildlog19:44
DktrKranzlibtool issue?19:45
ScottKI think so.19:48
ScottKmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'. is the first place they differ.19:48
DktrKranz-checking for multiarch libdir... ${exec_prefix}/lib19:49
DktrKranz+checking for multiarch libdir... ${exec_prefix}/lib6419:49
DktrKranzthis is interesting19:49
* ScottK wonders who slangasek needs to hunt down and kill.19:50
DktrKranzroot@debomatic64:/pack/libclamunrar-0.96.4# gcc -print-multi-os-directory19:50
DktrKranzthat's weird...19:50
slangasekmyself, maybe :)19:50
slangasekI think I was the last person to touch that part of gcc, in preparation of multiarch :)19:51
ScottKThat'll save on travel time.19:51
slangasekalthough, I thought those patches were pushed by way of Debian19:51
slangasekso maybe the package will regress on rebuild in Debian too?19:51
ScottKIt wasn't built on a buildd in Debian, but it builds correctly on DktrKranz's system.19:52
DktrKranzexactly, just built on a up-to-date pbuilder19:52
slangasektime for a gcc bisect, I guess19:52
ScottKslangasek: Can I leave this with you and do you want me to file a bug?19:52
sebnerScottK: is it then murder or suicide. both prohibited though :D19:52
ScottKsebner: Suicide being prohibited is a matter of culture.  In some cultures it's an honorable alternative to disgrace.19:53
slangasekScottK: I'm not going to have time to look at it more deeply today; if someone can bisect gcc to figure out what's changed, that would be ideal19:53
slangasekDktrKranz: fwiw, here's the gcc output for me on maverick amd64:19:53
slangasek$ gcc -print-multi-os-directory19:53
slangasekso I guess that's a natty gcc regression19:53
ScottKslangasek: As soon as you say gcc and bisect I know it's not me that will do it.19:53
sebnerScottK: in the minds but not in the law, no?19:54
ScottKsebner: It's only a matter for the law if you suck at it.19:54
sebnerslangasek: you hear that? :P19:54
ScottKslangasek: I'll leave it for you for next week then.19:55
slangaseksebner: ah, but I only touched gcc in maverick, I haven't touched it in natty19:55
ScottKRight, so we blame doko.  He's not here this week.19:56
Rhondachilicuil: I danced because of the screenshot ;)20:04
sebnerslangasek: heh, I guess you can keep your life then :D20:06
ari-tczewwhat do you think about script 'requestmerge' like requestsync? Automatically creating merge requests as usual, reducing manual work.20:13
* micahg thought he filed a bug for that20:14
micahgari-tczew: not automatically, since not each new version gets merged, but as a way for a person with a diff to request a merge and subscribe sponsors20:15
ari-tczewmicahg: hmm, not exactly I mean. Script can reduce a work with filing new bug, putting title and changelog from Debian.20:16
micahgari-tczew: yes, but only if someone has worked on it or is imminently working on it, since not each version is merged20:17
ari-tczewmicahg: "not each version is merged" => I don't take it in 100%. could you explain it for me?20:17
micahgbug 61112120:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 611121 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "add a requestmerge script" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61112120:17
micahgari-tczew: we don't merge every single Debian revision, therefore auto bug creation is not a good idea20:18
DktrKranzslangasek: I just looked at the gcc-4.5 delta between debian, it's quite short, and seems OK. Maybe problem has to be found in binutils.20:22
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DktrKranzScottK, slangasek: mh, no. I just reproduced the issue on Debian too, after installing gcc-4.5 and related gcc-defaults packages from experimental.20:31
ari-tczewmicahg: are you sure that gcc 4.5 has been included in natty? not in maverick?20:46
micahgari-tczew: it's in maverick, just not the default20:46
=== JanC_ is now known as JanC
ScottKDktrKranz: Thanks.21:35
=== andreas__ is now known as anoteng
hakermaniaHello. Can please anybody tell me why is Ubuntu still frozen ? (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/) I am waiting 3 months now to upload my app but 2 months prior to Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) release the Ubuntu was Frozen because of the existing bugs that had to be fixed in some applications. But now I don't see a reason for Ubuntu to be frozen! REVU says nothing about uploading for Ubuntu 11.04, it only says 'Ubuntu is frozen' without any explanation. Can any22:28
persiahakermania, Ubuntu isn't frozen.22:29
hakermaniaThat's what REVU says.22:30
persiaIt's probably just oversight.  Note that there's no promise everything in REVU gets reviewed, so the text is more advisory than meaningful.22:30
* persia tries to figure out why22:30
persiaLooks like it needs a REVU Hacker to fiddle it (I'm only REVU admin, so have limited permissions to make that kind of change)22:31
persia(and if I'm wrong, I'd like to know how to switch this)22:32
hakermania--_--' omg, I'm waiting 3 months now ubuntu to unfroze22:32
hakermaniaPlease, tell me, should I only use dput to upload my app or is there any other way to upload the package from inside the site?22:34
persiadput is the right way to upload stuff.22:36
persiaBut getting stuff reviewed is a bit trickier :)22:37
persiatumbleweed, Do I remember correctly that you have audio logs from UDS?22:38
hakermaniatumbleweed's in here? He really helped me to build the source :)22:38
ari-tczewRhonda: I just noticed, that packages.ubuntu.com has been updated! \o/22:47
tumbleweedpersia: I do for wednesday onwards ( mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-n ). Some files play best in VLC (I shouldn't have appended when reconnecting)22:52
persiatumbleweed, Thanks!22:53
persiaDo you know if any other recordings are up for Mon/Tue ?22:53
tumbleweedno (which is why I started recording :P )22:53
persiaDarn.  There was some stuff then I'd like to hear too, but thanks *a lot* for having Wed-Fri up.22:55
tumbleweednp, I've got the script now and will run it next UDS (assuming we don't get official recordings sooner)22:56
hakermaniaShould the name given on the REVU username be same with the name of my GPG key?22:58
persiahakermania, No such requirement.  My REVU username is "persia", which has no relation to my name, and only shows in my GPG key because one of my email addresses includes that.22:59
hakermaniaOk, I understand this, but by simply giving dput revu package_version_source.changes how does REVU knows which user are you? Probably from the signed files, but what if the signed files have different NAME and EMAIL from you REVU account? How will REVU understand who from its users uploaded the package?23:02
persiaREVU usernames are mapped to OpenID requests to launchpad.  The GPG signatures on the packages are mapped to a keyring containing the GPG keys of every LP account that logged into REVU.23:04
persiaYes, this is fragile, but basically, if you told LP your username and your GPG key, it ought just work.23:04
ari-tczewpersia: hey, I saw you're revelation user. Do you use natty desktop?23:05
persiaSome of my systems are still jaunty :)  What did you need tested?  What is it blocking?23:07
ari-tczewpersia: I've prepared a merge. Could do I send a .deb to test for you?23:09
ari-tczewI ran this application, try to save, edit a new object and it didn't crash. Seems to be fine.23:09
persiaI don't have working kernels in natty for most of the environments I *could* upgrade.  Simple test case is to create a keyfile with the maverick version, and then make sure you can *read* that keyfile with the natty version.23:10
persia(otherwise every user will want to hunt you)23:10
persia(plus I don't accept .debs that aren't in the archive)23:10
ari-tczewpersia: from my side, it works fine. I'm going to upload.23:12
persiaDid you try the test I suggested?  If not, you will want to get someone else to test it that way, or be prepared for some frustration.23:13
hakermaniaHow do i tell LP my GPG key?23:20
hakermaniafound it23:20
ari-tczewpersia: Create, save and load on maverick.23:22
ari-tczewwhy shouldn't work?23:23
persiaI can't think of any reason it wouldn't work, but the program is designed to safely store cryptographic secrets, so it's probably designed to make them mostly unrecoverable.23:24
persiaThat makes it very important to test carefully, even though the risk of a problem is low, because the consequences of the problem have a high impact.23:24
persiaI usually think of it as an equation: chance of something breaking * impact of it breaking = importance to make sure it doesn't break.23:25
persiaSo, for this sort of thing, create a file with the old version, read it with the new version, and feel comfortable that your upload won't make someone lose their passwords.23:27
persia(because not everyone has the luxury of sufficient hardware to test things properly before upgrading production systems)23:27
ari-tczewpersia: ok, so create a file on already existing package and load on my merged?23:29
persiaThat's how I'd test it if I was doing the merge.23:29
persia(and how I'd test it for you if my laptops were either functional or able to run natty (depending on the laptop))23:30
ari-tczewpersia: how many computers do you have?23:31
persiaI lost count years ago.23:35
* ari-tczew is going to bed. G'night.23:36
hakermaniathx for the support. G'night23:40

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