[03:06] <ScottK> RAOF: If one comes back to the computer on a not infrequent basis and finds the monitor just says "out of range", what's the best way to troubleshoot it?
[03:06] <RAOF> Hm.
[03:07] <ScottK> RAOF: Also, any word on the KDE logout fix?  Daughter #2's X crashes seem to be increasing in frequency.
[03:07] <RAOF> Does simply moving the mouse make things work again?
[03:07] <ScottK> Nope.
[03:08] <ScottK> (10.04 if it matters)
[03:08] <RAOF> No word yet on the KDE logout fix; I had three days off after UDS (which was such a good idea I'll do it again next UDS!)
[03:09] <ScottK> Heh.  OK.
[03:10] <RAOF> As for the other problem - can you SSH in?  Is the system otherwise responsive?
[03:11] <RAOF> I'd guess that something DPMS-based is going to be the problem, so just turning off display power management should result in the problem not being triggered (also good to check).
[03:11] <ScottK> I wasn't around when it happened to try.
[03:11] <ScottK> OK, so disable the thing that powers off the monitor?
[03:12] <RAOF> Yeah.
[03:12] <ScottK> Will try that.  Thanks.
[05:34] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: re: the x talk; in line with the "unity on wayland" announcement then ;)
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[10:03] <speakman> Anyone know if there's a Xorg release with this patch available: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2010-October/014150.html
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[11:31] <jcristau> speakman: there isn't.
[11:52] <speakman> I've "apt-get source xorg-server" and patched the source - but how do I rebuild it?
[11:53] <speakman> jcristau: any idea?
[11:53] <jcristau> dpkg-buildpackage
[11:54] <speakman> I've tried, but there's no .deb file in .. when it's done.
[11:54] <speakman> now running debuild -uc -us
[11:54] <speakman> Should I make a new "version" or something? or just patch and rebuild?
[11:56] <tjaalton> depends how you plan to use it
[11:56] <speakman> just fixing the segfaulting with xinerama
[11:56] <speakman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/650539
[11:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 650539 in xorg (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 6 other projects) "Launching QT apps under Xinerama crashes Xorg : affects SpeedCrunch, KeePassX, Lucky Backup, Pencil, Stellarium, Skype, Google Earth, VLC, Konqueror, VirtualBox, Opera ... (affects: 67) (dups: 9) (heat: 408)" [High,Triaged]
[11:56] <tjaalton> for a single computer? then it doesn't matter
[11:56] <speakman> yes single computer
[11:57] <tjaalton> though there might be other updates coming to the package
[11:57] <speakman> but really; why isn't this fixed in the standard repo? I guess there's many folk using xinerama
[11:59] <tjaalton> it was fixed ~two weeks ago, and the devs have been travelling since
[11:59] <jcristau> not that many
[11:59] <speakman> tjaalton: oki
[11:59] <speakman> wow, now it has generated ~ 10 .deb files.
[12:00] <speakman> which package holds Xinerama?
[12:01] <speakman> xserver-xorg-core?
[12:01] <speakman> or xserver-common?
[12:06] <tjaalton> it's the server providing it, so -core
[12:06] <speakman> ok, thanks
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[12:08] <speakman> GREAT! Now everything works!
[13:38] <speakman> Now Xinerama works perfectly. But it keep telling me "Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".". Why?
[13:42] <tjaalton> which driver?
[13:43] <tjaalton> hmm wonder if running xinerama disables randr
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[13:56] <hyperair> i think it does.
[13:57] <jcristau> yep
[14:00] <tjaalton> right
[14:00] <tjaalton> speakman: ^
[14:10] <speakman> ok
[14:10] <speakman> Wasn't RandR supposed to deprecate Xinerama?
[14:10] <jcristau> no
[14:12] <speakman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama#Deprecation_of_XINERAMA
[14:12] <speakman> How do I combine them?
[14:14] <jcristau> combine what?
[14:17] <speakman> RandR + Xinerama?
[14:18] <jcristau> you don't
[14:18] <speakman> why? why does one thing have to exclude the other?
[14:19] <speakman> and why does things like gedit complain about missing RandR extension?
[14:20] <jcristau> one thing has to exclude the other because you didn't write the code to make them work together
[14:21] <jcristau> and gedit complains because gtk is buggy
[14:23] <speakman> but RandR isn't actually required?
[14:31] <jcristau> no
[14:32] <speakman> oki. wondering why gtk is moining about it...
[14:33] <jcristau> as i said..
[18:00] <LLStarks> wayland. from pet project to ubuntu pioneering
[18:00] <LLStarks> just wow.
[21:18] <njin> Hello to all x-lovers bug 636094, can someone comment this, to set importance, Xalloc: requesting unpleasantly large amount of - memory: 0 bytes. handling mouse
[21:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 636094 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Random system freeze [Xalloc: requesting unpleasantly large amount of memory: 0 bytes.] (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636094
[21:19] <njin> * to set importance to hoght
[21:19] <njin> *hight
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[21:38] <tjaalton> njin: uh, no
[21:38] <njin> tjaalton. why '
[21:38] <tjaalton> it's a generic case of a hung GPU
[21:38] <njin> *?
[21:38] <tjaalton> nothing to do with the evdev driver
[21:39] <tjaalton> and various people claiming they have the same bug, just that the original submitter said he fixed his system
[21:39] <tjaalton> so.. I'd rather close it as invalid or some such
[21:41] <njin> tjaalton: thanks
[22:51] <bryceh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[22:51] <tjaalton> finally sponsored the upload for bug 553415.. 
[22:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 553415 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 6 other projects) "mouse trapped in box for Open Motif (affects: 30) (dups: 4) (heat: 138)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553415
[22:51] <tjaalton> oh hey bryceh 
[22:57] <bryceh> heya tjaalton
[22:57] <tjaalton> bryceh: nitpick; substitute -ati etc with ati/nouveau/intel, since "-" points to the X driver package, which is just for X
[22:58] <tjaalton> or even use vendor names
[22:58] <bryceh> good point
[23:02] <tjaalton> and "the option of just running X" -> "...X clients inside Wayland", or something
[23:06] <tjaalton> hmm, it's a wiki, I could do that myself
[23:06] <tjaalton> :)
[23:06] <bryceh> :-)
[23:06] <bryceh> the wiki hamsters are busily saving my changes right now
[23:07] <tjaalton> ah :)
[23:07] <bryceh> saved, ok go
[23:09] <tjaalton> done
[23:10] <tjaalton> interesting time on the wiki server
[23:11] <tjaalton> it's ~20min behind
[23:13] <bryceh> tjaalton, wouldn't you need to run the X clients inside an X server running on top of wayland?
[23:13] <tjaalton> bryceh: yes
[23:14] <tjaalton> a rootless server, so the apps "look" native
[23:15] <tjaalton> s/inside Wayland/on top of the server/ ?
[23:17] <bryceh> yeah
[23:19] <tjaalton> there
[23:31] <bryceh> tjaalton, do you know if debian has packaged libxkbcommon yet?
[23:32] <tjaalton> bryceh: doesn't look like it
[23:33] <tjaalton> at least git.d.o doesn't have it
[23:33] <bryceh> ok
[23:35] <tjaalton> but I guess it's a fairly standard library packaging wise
[23:40] <bryceh> looks like it