[00:06] <databits> anyone have any experience installing and configuring zenoss ?
[00:09] <databits> would appreciate if someone could help me out with this zenoss configuration
[00:09] <databits> I'm pretty sure I have it installed but it is not configured correctly
[00:09] <databits> I tried going to the webportal and tomcat page is showing
[00:58] <databits> can anyone help me out with zenoss please
[00:59]  * RoyK can't
[01:11] <dclake> I'd be interested in zenoss as well
[01:14] <grr> Hi, just installed ubuntu server on old hardware, ok. but on reboot, no video. holding shift gets me grub boot, then e for edit, what might I try to get video back?
[01:15] <grr> that was 10.04
[01:17] <grr> anyone?
[02:12] <qman__> grr, try the nomodeset option
[06:03] <kaushal> hi
[06:03] <kaushal> can some one please guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-November/004806.html ?
[06:15] <kaushal> checking in again for the query ?
[06:31] <overrider> Id like to setup my 10.04 server to be my lan's router / firewall, connecting to the net via adsl / pppoe. Which of the many tools to use to configure the routing / firewalling part? Shorewall, guarddog, plain netfilter / ipchains? This Server has no GUI. Thanks for suggesting any simple but solid tool(s)...
[07:03] <kaushal> Anybody around here ?
[07:09] <k-rad> if you dont mind me asking, no help for this in #ubuntu it seems, i've got ubuntu enterprise cloud selected, my node however is not setup, and i will be using that .50/mo amazon cloud what i'm unsure of is which of the cloud computing selections at the top of sudo tasksel i will need, should i select everything except for node controller ?  could you run sudo tasksel yourself and lend me a hand at those top packages ?
[07:09] <k-rad> this is from sudo tasksel
[07:23] <BuenGenio> hello are there any builds of Dovecot 2 for ubuntu?
[07:35] <kaushal> checking in again for the query
[09:39] <Cromulent> I'm banging my head against a wall here I followed this tutorial on 10.04 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixAmavisNew but no matter what I do no email messages seem to come back with the X-Spam-Status header set by Spamassassin
[09:40] <skwashd> trying in here ... it seems more appropriate than #ubuntu
[09:41] <skwashd> i've got a 64 bit ubuntu lucid server which was upgraded 2 weeks ago from jaunty to karmic and today it was upgraded to lucid
[09:41] <skwashd> the box is hanging at the point when udev should be starting
[09:41] <skwashd> kernel options at just rootdelay=60 to deal with timeout errors
[09:42] <skwashd> no splash or quiet options
[09:42] <skwashd> virtual consoles aren't functional at this point either
[09:43] <skwashd> i forgot to mention ... the box is a dell PE r200
[09:44] <skwashd> i manually upgraded the filesystem to ext4 ... made no difference
[11:30] <SAngeli> with a running server if I plug-in a serial device to the server (fax/modem) will it be detected or in order to do so the fax/modem must be connected and powered on before I power on the server?
[13:56] <kaushal> hi
[13:56] <kaushal> collectd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[13:56] <kaushal> what does type of file mean ?
[14:00] <SAngeli> with a running server if I plug-in a serial device to the server (fax/modem) will it be detected or in order to do so the fax/modem must be connected and powered on before I power on the server?
[14:57] <eagles0513875> bug 670246
[14:57] <eagles0513875> :)
[15:03] <k-rad> good day all
[15:03] <k-rad> could use your assistance, as you may be more skilled at this than the average desktop user.
[15:03] <k-rad> need failover for link aggregation to wlan0 and speed tweak recommendations   i am willing to pay anyone $10 if they can solve it for me :)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10080308#post10080308
[15:08] <eagles0513875> k-rad: are you running this on an ubuntu server server
[15:09] <k-rad> eagles0513875, no sir, i'm using 64 bit ubuntu desktop
[15:09] <eagles0513875> ask in #ubuntu channel this is more for the server side of ubuntu
[15:09] <k-rad> i tried ubuntu cloud enterprise last night, and fsck wanted to run on a readonly filesystem.  broke my heart.  i have amazon ec2 services free for 1 year, with a 50 cent charge fee for that
[15:10] <k-rad> thank you eagles0513875
[15:10] <eagles0513875> welcome k-rad
[15:11] <k-rad> last night when i tried ubuntu cloud enterprise, i installed it via sudo tasksel on a 32 bit ubuntu desktop system.  none of my fstab entries were read-only, however, i never got past the ubuntu splash screen
[15:11] <k-rad> it wanted fsck on a read only filesystem. :(
[15:12] <eagles0513875> O_o
[15:12] <eagles0513875> not sure i never tried the could computing feature
[15:12] <eagles0513875> might end up doign that if i get my hands on another server
[15:13] <_zoom_> am preparing svn and apache server for our php developers, i need tool allow them to upload and test their codes, any ideas?
[15:15] <jz_> Hi everyone, I am trying to add mydns to load when my system boots.  Can anyone help me with this, please?
[15:16] <eagles0513875> _zoom_: i think for svn to commit to it a user needs an ssh key
[15:16] <eagles0513875> !svn | _zoom_
[15:16] <eagles0513875> !info svn
[15:16] <eagles0513875> _zoom_: let me find the documentation for ya
[15:17] <ScottK> eagles0513875: The package is subversion
[15:17] <eagles0513875> !subversion | _zoom_
[15:17] <eagles0513875> that link might provide you with some insite :)
[15:20] <_zoom_>  ubottu: am looking for a tool that helps developer to upload codes into apache server
[15:21] <qman__> I suggest using sftp/scp built into ssh
[15:21] <qman__> if you don't trust your devs, you can chroot them
[15:21] <k-rad> eagles0513875, have you ever used amazon EC2 service before ?
[15:23] <k-rad> eagles0513875, if its something you'd like to implement on a spare box, i'd love to get feedback from you on how to use amazon EC2 in order to supplement the computing power of a ubuntu desktop (i may run a web server here too)
[15:23] <eagles0513875> well right now im debating if i am going to build a 2nd machien and turn my current desktop into a server or not
[15:23] <eagles0513875> still havent quite understood the purpose of cloude computing and what exactly it does
[15:24] <qman__> in my personal opinion, it's a very niche thing
[15:24] <qman__> if you're struggling to find a use for it, it's probably not for you
[15:24] <k-rad> eagles0513875, http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-ubuntu-server-for-year-at-amazon.html
[15:25] <eagles0513875> qman__: i just dont understand what its purpose is
[15:25] <qman__> high availability virtual appliances
[15:25] <k-rad> i've used their services, but happened to have a spare email, and a sip number to my room for authentication, for 1 year, max they'll charge is .50 cents/mo.
[15:25] <eagles0513875> qman__: like virtual machines
[15:26] <qman__> yes
[15:26] <qman__> the benefit to the cloud system is that it handles distributing it across hardware automatically
[15:26] <qman__> if you have lots of VMs and lots of hardware, it makes your life easier
[15:26] <eagles0513875> humm something i might have to consider once i get a 2nd machine and will allow me to reformat and re do my server
[15:26] <qman__> you no longer have to pick which server to put your next VM on
[15:27] <qman__> it's very cool tech, I won't knock it for that
[15:27] <k-rad> eagles0513875, if that is a project you'd consider engaging in, i'd love to be your buddy because i actually have a spare box that could contribute as a computing resource node for my primary box, and to be able to use those amazon EC2 computing services to maximize performance on my main machine, would be totally awesome
[15:27] <qman__> but "cloud computing" has become a huge buzzword
[15:27] <qman__> don't get sucked into thinking you need one just because it's the next big thing
[15:27] <k-rad> qman__, is it anything like openmosix used to be ?
[15:28] <qman__> openmosix was quite different
[15:28] <eagles0513875> qman__: can do more with less so to speak
[15:28] <qman__> openmosix would allow you to split one big load over multiple machiens
[15:28] <qman__> cloud doesn't
[15:28] <k-rad> openmosix is something i'd like to accomplish with a spare box, facilitating resources to my main primary desktop.
[15:28] <qman__> it only allows you to distribute lots of loads across machines
[15:28] <eagles0513875> k-rad: your thinking of clustering
[15:28] <k-rad> using ubuntu.  is that possible ?
[15:28] <eagles0513875> which is used for rendering 3d animations for instance
[15:28] <k-rad> eagles0513875, indeed i am.  i'd love to do that with ubuntu
[15:29] <eagles0513875> me 2
[15:29] <qman__> cloud is only useful if you are running lots of separate VMs
[15:29] <eagles0513875> i might be able to get my hands on some old p2s
[15:29] <eagles0513875> qman__: im really considering splitting upmy server across multiple vms
[15:29] <k-rad> eagles0513875, and it'd be even greater, if we could add the amazon over the net resources to whatever it is we use our computers for.  for me, its my personal desktop
[15:29] <qman__> if you have one heavy project you want to distribute, you probably want a beowulf cluster
[15:29] <eagles0513875> atm one server running everything from mysql to apache and eventually email
[15:29] <eagles0513875> qman__: haha ya im on that mailing list
[15:30] <eagles0513875> k-rad: distributed computing
[15:30] <k-rad> i only run 1 vm and that is for windows 7 and itunes.  itunes for a rare track here and there, and thats it.
[15:30] <qman__> of course, the cost of powering a bunch of PIIs is a lot more than just buying a sempron that can outperform the lot
[15:30] <k-rad> and audiobooks
[15:30] <k-rad> its got audible.com
[15:30] <eagles0513875> qman__: true but i can get them for free from one of my lecturers lol
[15:30] <eagles0513875> brb switching to desktop
[15:31] <qman__> openmosix was a very cool idea, it's a shame that it died off
[15:31] <qman__> that's what most people think of when they are told about "the cloud", but that's not what it is
[15:31] <k-rad> qman__, i've got a dual core pentium-d presler clocked stock at 3.4ghz, it has gigabit ethernet, and 4gb of ddr2 800 memory and a 320GB drive.  can i cluster that to my primary desktop ubuntu box for additional power awesomeness
[15:31] <eagles0513875> qman__: does ubuntu server contain the necessary clustering software like mpi and other things
[15:31] <eagles0513875> im on a core2 quad q9550 at 2,83 ghz
[15:32] <qman__> documentation is scarce on it
[15:32] <qman__> last I looked into it, all the info was several years out of date and inconsistent
[15:32] <eagles0513875> humm qman__ would it be possible to put together a team to possibly create an ubuntu server clustering version
[15:32] <eagles0513875> qman__: if im not mistaken there is mp2
[15:32] <eagles0513875> mpi2
[15:32] <eagles0513875> thats replaced
[15:32] <eagles0513875> brb on desktop
[15:32] <qman__> the projects are there but implementing it on ubuntu is some kind of voodoo that no one wants to share
[15:33] <k-rad> qman__, why do you suspect that is ?
[15:33] <qman__> a documentation project on it is a good idea
[15:33] <eagles0513875> qman__: i think i have k-rad and u but i bet i can drum up support from the beowulf mailing list
[15:33] <eagles0513875> lots of experts
[15:33] <qman__> not enough people doing it, I guess
[15:33] <eagles0513875> beowulf cluster has lots
[15:33] <eagles0513875> brb on desktop
[15:34] <k-rad> wonderful eagles0513875 could you make a post, and forward a few relevant clustering for ubuntu emails that would be what i needed to know, and have you email them to me ?
[15:35] <k-rad> to what aim is ubuntu enterprise cloud different and similar to linux clustering ?
[15:36] <eagles0513875> qman__: i would like to see if there is interest in an ubuntu  derived clustering version
[15:36] <k-rad> hi eagles0513875
[15:36] <eagles0513875> k-rad: back
[15:36] <k-rad> wonderful eagles0513875 could you make a post, and forward a few relevant clustering for ubuntu emails that would be what i needed to know, and have you email them to me ?
[15:36] <k-rad> to what aim is ubuntu enterprise cloud different and similar to linux clustering ?
[15:36] <eagles0513875> k-rad: dont have any off the beowulf list
[15:37] <k-rad> wouldn't it be cool if you could do ubuntu clustering on ubuntu enterprise cloud if amazon EC2 does actually provide processing, resources power to a host
[15:37] <eagles0513875> ?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> kinda lost me on that one
[15:37] <k-rad> eagles0513875, might you be able to post one, and email me back and see if you hear anything ?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> qman__: coudl i use the cloud in conjunction with vbox for instance
[15:38] <eagles0513875> k-rad: i would join the list cuz that way you can explain better its free to join
[15:38] <eagles0513875> qman__: i mean phpvbox
[15:38] <k-rad> i'll do that thank you
[15:38] <eagles0513875> welcome
[15:38] <eagles0513875> ill see u on the list :)
[15:38] <qman__> clustering uses multiple hardware devices to accomplish a single task with more power
[15:38] <k-rad> how much is canonical support through email for 3 days ?
[15:38] <qman__> cloud just manages lots of virtual machines efficiently
[15:38] <eagles0513875> qman__: can i use the cloud with phpvbox for instance or would i have problems
[15:39] <qman__> I don't really know what phpvbox is, so I can't say
[15:39] <qman__> but, for example
[15:39] <eagles0513875> its the web based front end of virtualbox
[15:40] <qman__> that probably wouldn't work
[15:40] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:40] <qman__> I'm pretty sure UEC uses KVM as the backend
[15:40] <qman__> so you'd need a KVM/qemu compatible frontend
[15:41] <qman__> but don't take my word on that, I don't know for sure
[15:41] <eagles0513875> !cloud
[15:42] <eagles0513875> does the bot have any links
[15:42] <qman__> !uec
[15:42] <qman__> maybe not
[15:42] <qman__> !kvm
[15:42] <eagles0513875> i still have yet to understand why ubuntu doesnt support xen
[15:43] <eagles0513875> even though its still in debian repos
[15:43] <qman__> well, they simply got behind KVM
[15:43] <qman__> for better or worse, that's what happened
[15:44] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:44] <highvoltage> anyone is welcome to maintain xen in universe though
[15:44] <eagles0513875> isnt kvm more software based like virtual box
[15:44] <qman__> KVM takes advantage of hardware virtualization but doesn't necessarily require it
[15:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:44] <qman__> though it's much slower without it
[15:44]  * eagles0513875 is learning alot today
[15:45] <qman__> unfortunately the only machine I have to toy with virtualization which has hardware support is my laptop
[15:45] <qman__> this desktop is an older chip, 939 opteron
[15:45] <eagles0513875> only one is my monster desktop im on atm
[15:46] <eagles0513875> 775 core2 quad here
[15:46] <eagles0513875> i think might build myself a new i7 desktop and make this one a server
[15:46] <eagles0513875> and try out uec
[15:46] <qman__> I have a phenom II box, but that one's "The Windows Box"
[15:47] <eagles0513875> i have 2 drives on this pc
[15:47] <eagles0513875> 500gb win 7
[15:47] <eagles0513875> 2tb lucid
[15:47] <eagles0513875> now i see why they went with kvm
[15:47] <eagles0513875> easier for users to work with
[15:47] <qman__> xen was quite a headache if you didn't know what you were doing
[15:47] <qman__> but with the same kind of effort, they could have made it user friendly
[15:47] <eagles0513875> ya tell me bout it
[15:48] <eagles0513875> im wondering if i could work wiht the xen-tools team on that
[15:49] <eagles0513875> gah i hate flash
[15:49] <qman__> agree
[15:49] <jz_> Can anyone please help me add mydns to start on system startup
[15:49] <qman__> it uses 100% of a core on this machine just to watch youtube videos
[15:50] <qman__> jz_, you could just add it to rc.local, and it'd work, but it wouldn't be the _right_ way
[15:50] <qman__> I think update-rc.d still works
[15:50] <eagles0513875> qman__: flash is crashing firefox left right and centr and i have a number of tabs open with it
[15:51] <eagles0513875> lol woohoo viva 24% ram usage out of 8gb
[15:51] <qman__> eagles0513875, I stopped using firefox because it single-handedly dragged my entire system to a crawl, with flash and java both disabled
[15:51] <eagles0513875> tbh i can live with it maybe cuz i have 8gb of ram on my system but im glad that at least apple isnt using flash any more
[15:52] <qman__> it wasn't about RAM, it introduced significant UI lag
[15:52] <qman__> my whole computer is leagues faster now that I use epiphany and chromium
[15:54] <jz_> qman__: why wouldn't it be the right way?
[15:54] <qman__> jz_, because it doesn't really install it as a service, it just runs it once at boot
[15:54] <qman__> it's a hack
[15:54] <qman__> if that's okay with you, go ahead
[15:55] <jz_> I'd rather add it as a service if possible
[15:55] <qman__> I know how to do it with sysvinit, but I don't know upstart that well
[15:55] <qman__> so with lucid, I'd have to do a lot of reading
[15:56] <qman__> pretty sure upstart still runs sysvinit style scripts, so you could still do it that way
[15:57] <eagles0513875> anyone try mysql workbench?
[15:57] <qman__> put the script in /etc/init.d/, then update-rc.d to set it
[15:57] <eagles0513875> on lucid or otherwise?
[15:58] <SAngeli> can someone please advice me on a good artice for setting up a solid, stable and reliable NAS server under ubuntu server? I need an alternative to the nice work FreeNAS has done because I also need to install Hylafax and am unable to do so under FreeNAS
[16:00] <qman__> SAngeli, if you're using something like iSCSI that's outside my expertise, but simple things like samba or NFS file sharing I can do
[16:01] <qman__> the first place you should always check is the ubuntu server guide
[16:01] <garymc> Could anyone help me create a cron job?
[16:01] <SAngeli> I need to setup a RAID 1 and then iSCSI. but to start I wish to find a well detailed article on how to set up a NAS server, get RAID up and running, check health of the RAID, set up alarms if RAID fails,.. Then I will look for iSCSI article
[16:02] <qman__> SAngeli, RAID is built into the partitioner, quite easy to set up
[16:02] <jz_> qman__: thanks for your help.  it worked
[16:02] <qman__> as for emails on failure, I don't know if they're in there by default but it's also not that hard to set up
[16:03] <SAngeli> I have been looking for a detailed article on Internet and did not find any.
[16:03] <qman__> though I did notice when I set a RAID up in the partitioner on a 10.04 install recently, it installed postfix
[16:03] <SAngeli> I wish first need to read and understand the steps
[16:03] <SAngeli> as for FreeNAS that tells you all about it so I can read and discern
[16:04] <qman__> well, FreeNAS is very single-purposed, where ubuntu server is more general purposed, so a comprehensive guide for that particular setup is going to be harder to find
[16:05] <SAngeli> yea, I noticed this.
[16:05] <qman__> for RAID information, see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[16:05] <SAngeli> is it reliable and stable?
[16:06] <qman__> ubuntu in general? yes, as long as you stick to LTS versions
[16:07] <qman__> lucid has most of the bugs worked out by now
[16:07] <SAngeli> is it a good idea to install webmin on top of it?
[16:07] <qman__> no
[16:07] <qman__> !webmin
[16:07] <eagles0513875> webmin from what i have red has lots of security vulnerabilities
[16:07] <SAngeli> ok
[16:08] <SAngeli> is there a GUI or WEB application that help an admin to manage the server, see RAID status, ...... ?
[16:08] <eagles0513875> SAngeli: there is commandline mdadm that will help u with raid stuff
[16:08] <eagles0513875> !mdadm
[16:08] <SAngeli> ok
[16:08] <SAngeli> got it
[16:08] <eagles0513875> ok wait
[16:09] <eagles0513875> thats not right bah qman__ help whats the command line command to check raid isnt it mdadm or somethign like that
[16:09] <SAngeli> I will tray with ubuntu server and command line all the way through. Hope I will be able to manage it
[16:10] <qman__> mdadm is the command tool, but checking RAID status is done by doing `cat /proc/mdstat`
[16:10] <SAngeli> this will be a production server for storage. Hope will be able to accomplish as FreeNAS outcome
[16:10] <SAngeli> the end result is that it works
[16:10] <eagles0513875> qman__: thanks :) havent messed with mdadm in a while and i wasnt sure if that was right
[16:11] <qman__> while I don't use iSCSI, I've been using ubuntu as a file server for over two years
[16:11] <qman__> raid6 + hot spare
[16:11] <SAngeli> did you interface it with vmware and/or Active Domain windows server?
[16:11] <qman__> it emails me SMART info and mdadm warnings
[16:11] <qman__> no, it's just a simple file server
[16:11] <SAngeli> I see
[16:11] <qman__> samba and NFS
[16:12] <SAngeli> I believe I do not have to go through vmware for using it with other servers.
[16:12] <eagles0513875> qman__: might need you to help me setup something like that
[16:12] <SAngeli> is samba used to interface my NAS with Active Directory of microsoft windows server?
[16:12] <eagles0513875> SAngeli: yes
[16:13] <SAngeli> ok
[16:13] <SAngeli> I will be doing some more readings
[16:13] <eagles0513875> to interface or have any file sharing capabilities with linux samba is what you need
[16:13] <eagles0513875> linux to linux you need NFS
[16:13] <qman__> reminds me, I need to upgrade my router
[16:13] <qman__> it's running jaunty, which reached end of life about a week ago
[16:13] <eagles0513875> lol qman__using ddwrt?
[16:13] <SAngeli> qman__, could you also be so kind to identify for me, just because you already know, the correct articles for enabling "email SMART info and mdadm warnings" ?
[16:13] <eagles0513875> wtf what router are you running where you can run ubuntu server on it and what do you have configured on it
[16:14] <qman__> SAngeli, best place to start is postfix in the server guide
[16:14] <qman__> I configured one mail server to use gmail, I can link an article in a bit
[16:14] <qman__> and then I configured the rest of the servers to use that one as a smarthost
[16:14] <SAngeli> ok
[16:15] <qman__> eagles0513875, it's an athlon X2 4050e with four NICs
[16:15] <eagles0513875> qman__: will you help me with that cuz im having issues with postfix
[16:15] <eagles0513875> oh a desktop you turned into a router
[16:15] <SAngeli> postfix or sendmail would be similar, right? qman__
[16:16] <qman__> sendmail is, in my opinion, archaic and difficult, and it is also not a supported mail server
[16:16] <qman__> postfix and exim are the ubuntu-supported options
[16:16] <SAngeli> would it be sufficient to use a 4GB HD for ubuntu server, raid functionality for two SATA HD, fax server and mail server?
[16:16] <qman__> yes
[16:16] <SAngeli> it is a SSD HD IDE HD
[16:16] <SAngeli> ok, thank you
[16:16] <qman__> a stock ubuntu server install is only going to use ~800MB
[16:16] <qman__> I would recommend at least 2GB
[16:17] <qman__> but as for the mail server
[16:17] <SAngeli> qman__, if you remer or know of any good link for server setup please MSG me please I will keep in mind and read it. I wish to have some good articles as guidance. I plan on installing ubuntu server 10.10 x64 as server
[16:17] <qman__> I used gmail but any way you have your mail server sending email is fine
[16:17] <qman__> the 'client' servers, the ones forwarding mail to it, are very easy to set
[16:18] <SAngeli> qman__, mail servre will not store emails. It is just for the server itself and perhaps as SMTP server. nothing else
[16:18] <qman__> just choose 'smarthost' option when installing postfix, and point it to your real mail server
[16:18] <qman__> I recommend against using 10.10, as it is not an LTS version and will reach end of life very quickly
[16:18] <qman__> use 10.04.1 LTS instead
[16:19] <eagles0513875> qman__: will you help me out when i get back
[16:19] <qman__> sure
[16:19] <eagles0513875> with dovecot+postfix config
[16:19] <eagles0513875> dovecot works postfix dont for me
[16:19] <SAngeli> I never understoo this. why when you someone tries to dowload server it only gives you 10.10 rather than 10.04.1 LTS?
[16:19] <eagles0513875> i can recieve incoming email but not send any outgoing form my server
[16:20] <SAngeli> qman__, what is the reason for being 10.10 the Latest versino? What is the purpose of posting it? Can I understand?
[16:20] <qman__> SAngeli, on the download page (here: http://www.ubuntu.com/server/get-ubuntu/download ), you have to click the drop-down and choose 10.04
[16:20] <eagles0513875> not sure what im doing wrong qman__ im following the wiki tutorials on how to configure them
[16:20] <qman__> 10.10 is cutting edge, newest versions of software
[16:21] <qman__> for a production environment, not usually the best choice
[16:21] <SAngeli> qman__, sure. I noticed. but will it become later on LTS?
[16:21] <qman__> 10.04 will have longer support and will stick to mager versions
[16:21] <qman__> no
[16:21] <qman__> ubuntu's release cycle is every 6 months
[16:21] <qman__> the LTS releases are every 2 years
[16:21] <SAngeli> so what is the correct discernment?
[16:22] <qman__> what you're looking for in a system
[16:22] <SAngeli> let's say I install 10.10 What would happend in 1 year from now?
[16:22] <qman__> if you want the latest and greatest versions, and you don't mind bugs or updating frequently, you want the regular releases
[16:22] <SAngeli> I see
[16:22] <qman__> if you want a more stable platform that changes less frequently, you want the LTS versions
[16:23] <qman__> example, 9.04's support ended a couple weeks ago
[16:23] <qman__> that was a non-LTS version
[16:23] <SAngeli> I see
[16:23] <qman__> but 8.04's support is continuing for quite a while yet
[16:23] <qman__> because that's an LTS version
[16:23] <qman__> even though it's a year older than 9.04
[16:23] <SAngeli> so, what will happend when 10.04.1 LTS will end support? Will 10.10 be the next version?
[16:23] <qman__> no
[16:24] <qman__> the next version to 10.04 LTS will be 12.04 LTS
[16:24] <qman__> direct upgrade
[16:24] <SAngeli> ok
[16:24] <qman__> and there will be plenty of support overlap between the two versions
[16:24] <qman__> lots of time to test and perform the upgrade
[16:25] <SAngeli> so, what is the purpose of releasing 10.10 or other releases without LTS? Just for testings?
[16:25] <qman__> testing, less demanding situations, and using newer cutting edge software
[16:25] <SAngeli> last question: when you say: "using newer cutting edge software" you refer to the OS or to the applications?
[16:26] <qman__> both
[16:26] <qman__> 10.04 shipped with certain major versions of software
[16:26] <qman__> over the course of the support cycle, those major versions will not change, only the minor versions and security patches
[16:26] <SAngeli> so, if I wish to install the latest version of hylafax as an example I could endup not being able to do so with 10.04.1 LTS ?
[16:27] <qman__> yes, depending on how old the latest version is
[16:27] <qman__> and whether or not it's backported
[16:27] <qman__> for example, 8.04 LTS used PHP 5.2
[16:28] <qman__> the main repositories still run 5.2 on 8.04, they did not upgrade to 5.3 because there are major functional changes
[16:28] <qman__> they simply run the latest security updates to 5.2
[16:29] <qman__> since 10.04 is not that old, right now the discrepancies will be very narrow if at all
[16:29] <SAngeli> this is what ubuntu port says: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=maverick&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=hylafax-server   this is what Hylafax says: http://www.hylafax.org/content/Download   ubuntu is at 6.0.4  Hylafax current release is version 6.0.5.
[16:29] <qman__> but 10.04 will not continue to get the latest versions of everything
[16:30] <qman__> well, that search is for maverick, which is 10.10
[16:30] <SAngeli> I see, what is the port for 10.04.1 LTS?
[16:31] <qman__> the latest version for 10.04 is 2:6.0.3-5.1ubuntu1
[16:33] <qman__> so looks like 6.0.3 with ubuntu specific patches
[16:34] <SAngeli> wow even older
[16:34] <SAngeli> if I would need anyway latest release 6.0.5 what would I need to do?
[16:36] <qman__> you would have to add hylafax's repository to your system
[16:37] <qman__> they have 6.0.5 on there
[16:37] <qman__> as instructed here: http://code.highrise.ca/apt/
[16:37] <qman__> you'd add the following line to your sources.list
[16:38] <qman__> deb deb http://code.highrise.ca/apt/ lucid hf-6.0
[16:38] <qman__> err
[16:38] <qman__> deb http://code.highrise.ca/apt/ lucid hf-6.0
[16:41] <SAngeli> so not a bit issue
[16:41] <SAngeli> I see
[16:41] <SAngeli> qman__, I wish to thank you for now for all the answers you provided me with.
[16:41] <SAngeli> I will think and read a bit about what we discussed.
[16:41] <qman__> note that doing so would not be supported by ubuntu, you'd have to rely on hylafax for updates and help with that version
[16:41] <qman__> no problem
[16:41] <SAngeli> If I need additional help I will aks further.
[16:41] <SAngeli> take care now.
[16:42] <SAngeli> :-)
[16:57] <k-rad> anyone here have experience using the oslr package in ubuntu ?  i was told it would solve my bonding failsafe fallover problem
[16:57] <k-rad> and i realize thats unrelated to servers, though perhaps, sometimes utilized ?
[16:58] <k-rad> there are no ubuntu how-to's on OSLR
[16:58] <k-rad> and no useful posts on ubuntuforums.org
[17:20] <amarcolino> Hi can someone suggest ways fo me to identify what is going on my network, denyhosts keeps blocking localhost and the machines I use for ssh, I would like to find out what causes it to trigger a block, the log gives no information on why the machine(s) keep getting blocked
[17:44] <eagles0513875> hey guys im back
[18:00] <ehcah> Anyone out there prefer Ubuntu Serer to pre-packaged NAS like OpenFIler or FreeNAS or unRAID?
[18:07] <eagles0513875> k/j workbench
[19:11] <eagles0513875> qman__: hey you busy right now
[19:47] <cjmaynar_> hey, so this question isn't really specific to ubuntu server, more in regards to servers in general. i own a domain, and i've setup a subdomain on it to forward to home home ip address, from there i've got my server running. It's all good and swell, except for after i go to home.domain.com it directs me to jsut my ip address. i was wondering how to go about keeping the subdomain/domain in the url?
[20:03] <databits> hey does anyone here know of a good webbased irc client I can embed on my website ?
[20:03] <databits> I was thinking flash would probably be the best route for this
[20:09] <eagles0513875> databits: there is the one of freenode you can imbed i think
[20:09] <eagles0513875> i think its qwebirc
[20:19] <databits> well I am trying to find one a client that will load up with no security issues on the browser but is really cool at the same time
[20:19] <databits> ya dig
[20:19] <databits> ;)
[20:22] <eagles0513875> databits: thats the only one i know of and recommend
[20:23] <eagles0513875> there is also a java based irc web chat forgot what its called
[20:23] <databits> what language based is the qwebirc ?
[20:28] <eagles0513875> not sure
[20:28] <eagles0513875> databits: ajax based irc
[20:28] <eagles0513875> http://qwebirc.org/
[20:38] <eagles0513875> databits: woudl that work for ya
[20:42] <databits> working on configuring the client right now
[20:42] <databits> I'm about to find out
[20:42] <databits> :)
[20:42] <databits> thanks
[20:44] <_Techie_> databits, qwebirc is python based
[20:44] <_Techie_> and very astheticaly pleasing
[20:44] <_Techie_> i have one hooked up to my BNC and its never failed me
[20:50] <databits> cool shit
[20:50] <databits> ok how do I go about compiling the files ?
[20:50] <databits> this compiling is all new to me
[20:50] <guntbert> !language | databits
[20:51] <guntbert> !enter | databits
[20:51] <databits> sorry
[20:52] <databits> •Run compile.py to generate the HTML, minify the Javascript/CSS and copy everything to the correct locations | this is what the documentation is stating | I'm not sure how to go about doing this task
[20:52] <guntbert> databits: :)
[20:53] <_Techie_> start with python compile.py
[20:53] <databits> ok looks like I need to install twisted first
[20:53] <_Techie_> and then move it to where you feel comfortable having, eg ~/qwebirc/ or /etc/qweirc/
[20:54] <databits> is this going to be running off my webserver or is this going to be a seperate instance ? also should I be able to do a "sudo apt-get install twisted" ?
[20:55] <_Techie_> it will run in a seperate instance as it has its own built in webserver that works extremely well
[20:55] <databits> allrighty cool
[20:55] <_Techie_> if your feeling daring, you can also use libapache2-mod-proxy to map it to a sub domain
[20:56] <_Techie_> that way you can have it use SSL
[20:56] <_Techie_> and be accessible behind restrictive firewalls
[20:56] <eagles0513875> _Techie_: is that how you do subdomains with apache or could you do aliases or that wont really work if you want a subdomain
[20:57] <_Techie_> eagles0513875, if i have something that maps to a port, i use the apache proxy module to have  subdomain to transparantly redirect traffic inside my network or over loopback
[20:58] <eagles0513875> ahh
 for right now I just want to get everything up and running
[20:58] <eagles0513875> databits: use tab to complete a name
[20:58] <eagles0513875> type in da then tab to complete yoru name
[20:58] <eagles0513875> or eagl then tab to complete mine
[20:58] <eagles0513875> it bring up the txt ur sending to that person in red
[20:59] <_Techie_> eagles0513875, colour depends on client
[20:59] <databits> what is the rename command ?
[21:00] <_Techie_> mv
[21:01] <databits> Bareword "config" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. Bareword "py" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. Bareword "txt" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[21:01] <databits> what does this mean ?
[21:02] <_Techie_> no clue
[21:02] <_Techie_> i would suggest you start using google
[21:23] <clayd> how do make it so that when someone uploads a file via FTP the file gets permisions for the user and the group.  For example on a web server.
[21:29] <databits> the file should automaticly take the default permissions for the user that the ftp is logged in by
[21:29] <databits> or do you have anon loggin enabled ?
[21:33] <clayd> no i am using a user.  but you have pointed me in the right direction.  I was thinking it was vsftpd.  How do i set the default permission for a user?
[21:36] <clayd> so this is wierd.  when i creat a file from the command promt is gets the permissions 644 but when i upload one over ftp it gets 600
[21:36] <clayd> i cant figure out what is causing this difference
[21:59] <TeTeT> clayd: check the docs for vsftpd and see how to set the umask for new uploads
[22:00] <clayd> just fnding that.  but thank you.
[22:00] <databits> sorry I was in the other room | I had kinda a similar issue | I used ACL to take care of my problem
[22:01] <clayd> wha is ACL?
[22:14] <RoAkSoAx> w/in 7
[22:20] <databits> clayd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list
[22:57] <data_bits> warning: hg: unable to execute (using a random id). I changed some options in the config file of the ircd-ircu so I can access the config engine from a remote machine instead of the default default host
[22:57] <data_bits> I tried to recompile the software and it is giving me that error "warning: hg: unable to execute (using a random id)."
[23:04] <data_bits> does anyone have any idea's with this issue ?
[23:08] <osmosis> any suggestions on how I could get help with this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/668042
[23:13] <osmosis> It would be nice if launchpad had a bounty system.