[01:26] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1193767 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/UpdateEvent/UpdateEvent.cpp (log message trimmed)
[01:26] <CIA-39> I was running apt-check with --human--readable because initially I thought I
[01:26] <CIA-39> might use its output verbatim. Since I'm not doing that anymore, it is much
[01:26] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1193768 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/UpdateEvent/UpdateEvent.cpp Oops...
[10:19] <sresu> I tried jovie from CLI - <jovie> and < qdbus org.kde.KSpeech /KSpeech say "Hello World" 0> No response How to fix it?
[10:52] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: ping
[10:58] <ulysses> Riddell: Tuomo (author of HUPnP) fixed the installing problem, but UPnP MediaServer KIOslave can't find FindHUpnp.cmake: http://pastebin.com/fcqae7RE
[11:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I aint got not us address :P
[11:52]  * apachelogger starts fighting with cups
[11:53] <apachelogger> dantti_work: is your printer manager thing in svn/git?
[12:12] <freinhard> hi!
[12:12] <freinhard> anyone planing to backport digikam 1.5.0 to maverick?
[13:02] <ulysses> Riddell: I downloaded FindHUpnp.cmake from Amarok, and changed the dirnames to find HUpnp, now cmake works, but make not: http://pastebin.com/UcH48gTS
[13:20] <apachelogger> could someone with nvidia drivers check if bug 669996 affects them please
[13:29] <ghostcube_> hmmm the funny idea ti rewrite the soundsystem in mav has got who?
[13:29] <ghostcube_> i may send him some packagebombs:P
[13:34] <ghostcube_> ok any soulution for the braking of intel audio hardware in 10.10
[13:41] <apachelogger> what rewrite?
[13:41] <apachelogger> breaking?
[13:42] <collabra> who are you asking
[13:42] <collabra> cause if you're asking me, 10.10 is a joke.
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: pong
[13:43] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: are you going to merge ktechlab? (assuming by comment on MoM)
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: feel free to merge it
[13:45] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: I commented 'feel free to take'
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks. If nobody gets around to it I'll probably take care of it, but I'm not too terribly attached to the package.
[13:48] <ghostcube_> apachelogger: my webcam stoped working in 10.10 and my kmixer doesnt show any line
[13:48] <ghostcube_> with intel soundcard this seems not to work as it should
[13:48] <ghostcube_> 10.10 is bad ass
[13:48] <apachelogger> is pulseaudio installed?
[13:48] <ghostcube_> yes
[13:48] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: easy, 1-2 days and this package will be merged :P (not by me)
[13:48] <apachelogger> if it is not properly installed or runnig kmix will fall on its nose at times
[13:49] <apachelogger> ghostcube_: in that case you probably should report a bug 
[13:49] <ghostcube_> i just updated
[13:49] <ghostcube_> apachelogger: hmm ok
[13:49] <ghostcube_> and jackd isnt recongnized as soundserver if you start it like before 10.04
[13:49] <ghostcube_> i think i wikll revert to 10.04 and wait :D
[13:50]  * apachelogger hates rekonq so very very much
[13:51] <collabra> ghostcube_: is a joke
[13:51] <ghostcube_> collabra: yeah its not usable for me :)
[13:52] <collabra> ghostcube_: for what reasons
[13:52] <ghostcube_> i cant use my programs :)
[13:52] <ghostcube_> bbl on 10.04
[13:52] <collabra> ghostcube_: do you find it unstable in any areas?
[13:53] <apachelogger> ghostcube: you should try a live image?
[13:53] <apachelogger> cause if it is not a bug, then you could ask the friendly support peopel to help you resolve the issue
[13:53] <ghostcube> apachelogger: its no solution for this , i asked already
[13:53] <apachelogger> ALSO, you should report the bug on 10.10 or vital information will not be available to ubuntu-bug
[13:53] <collabra> i find kwin unstable when it comes to desktop effects, for one.
[13:53] <ghostcube> iam not the only one having this
[13:54] <ghostcube> nah the problem is mav changed many basements and i dont want to use it in this way. so i will keep 10.04
[13:54] <collabra> every login i had to re-enable the effects
[13:54] <ghostcube> i use compiz i dont use kde effects 
[13:54] <apachelogger> ghostcube: the sound stack is big and complicated what appears as one problem could really be many different ones
[13:55] <collabra> intel audio hardware support is clearly problematic
[13:55] <mgraesslin> ScottK: the disable selfcheck patch http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/5774/
[13:55] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Thanks.
[13:56] <mgraesslin> collabra: that patch is the solution to your "had to re-enable the effects"
[13:56] <collabra> mgraesslin: what patch
[13:56] <mgraesslin> the reviewboard link I just posted :-)
[13:57] <collabra> mgraesslin: is it currently in the repo for update,...
[13:57] <ScottK> collabra: I've not had any problems with my Intel sound stuff on Maverick.
[13:57] <ghostcube> apachelogger: yeah the stack is big, i dont doubt this but it cvant be that i cannot chhose any channel in my kmix tool
[13:57] <ScottK> collabra: Not yet, but it will be, now that we have the patch.
[13:57] <ghostcube> and if this is back i will stay on 10.04
[13:57] <apachelogger> ghostcube: if you do not report a bug this will not change
[13:57] <apachelogger> ...
[13:58] <collabra> ScottK: i've been in #kubuntu all day long and ghostcube is the fourth one including me that have complained
[13:58] <ScottK> collabra: I'm not saying there aren't problems, but that they aren't universal.
[13:58] <collabra> pulseaudio is being blamed,... not to mention the 'generic' driver that supports it
[13:59] <collabra> ScottK: i understand
[13:59] <ghostcube> but it cannot be that such a problem havent accoured in the testings
[13:59] <collabra> ScottK: and i applaud the engineers, but,... i won't soon upgrade to 10.10
[14:00] <collabra> ScottK: i had a terrible experience
[14:00] <collabra> ScottK: with various bugs
[14:00] <ScottK> collabra: I understand.  There are a mix of problems in this cycle.  The ones that have hit me are generally X related.
[14:00] <ScottK> The release after an LTS is the best one to push forward to new stuff on.
[14:01] <apachelogger> ghostcube: the sound stack is bing and complicated, what appears as one problem could really be many different ones - and in that case it can be very well that it works on my system but not on yours
[14:01] <apachelogger> on that note, I tested maverick on 4 devices, all using intel audio
[14:01] <ghostcube> hmm ok here on intel ich10 no really working situation
[14:01] <collabra> ScottK: yeah,... but,... how do you feel,... are these distros rushed.
[14:02] <ghostcube> but nm i will just downgrade
[14:02] <ghostcube> i dont have the time to investigate this
[14:02] <ghostcube> maybe anyone else
[14:02] <apachelogger> ghostcube: you just need to report a bug
[14:03] <ghostcube> i even dont know whats the problem
[14:03] <ghostcube> so against what filing?
[14:03] <apachelogger> ubuntu-bug audio
[14:04] <collabra> ScottK: or is the only way to find these things require publishing?
[14:06] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1193888 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/qaptauthorization.h Use a preprocessor if statement to support polkit-qt-1 from trunk (0.98 or above) To make things easier for porting, don't put the PolkitQt1::SystemBusNameSubject on the heap. I think we were leaking that anyways.
[14:06] <apachelogger> collabra: as we already pointed out, sound on intel chips never appeared as problem in the 5 months of testing we conducted, yet people have problems, so, yes, to a certain degree you need to publish
[14:06] <collabra> the best aspect of 10.10 i found was the speed that which applications initalised.... very quick... but sadly only this to me was significant
[14:07] <apachelogger> it is impossible to provide a solution that works everywhere with only limited testing audience as is there with pre-releases
[14:07] <collabra> apachelogger: how much time do i need to give this version to mature
[14:07] <apachelogger> to that degree of course there is no excuse to release broken software, but at some point as developer you need to make the decision to release software if it works reasonable well for you
[14:08] <apachelogger> collabra: april 1012
[14:08] <collabra> apachelogger: lol
[14:08] <apachelogger> that will be the next LTS release
[14:08] <apachelogger> and until then we will try to push the boundries
[14:08] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1193889 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/qaptauthorization.h SVN_SILENT: a bit of cleanup
[14:09] <collabra> apachelogger: are you serious,... or,... joking,.. truly give me a timeline for 10.10
[14:09] <apachelogger> of course the amount of potentially dangerous changes will decrease already
[14:09] <apachelogger> surely 10.10 had the most involving change that will be between 10.04 and 12.04
[14:09] <collabra> apachelogger: ahh,... i wasn't aware of that.
[14:09] <apachelogger> at least from a current point of view nothing as major ought to come up
[14:11] <apachelogger> collabra: releases in between LTS are much like milestones towards a more fullfilling LTS experience, they are not broken or anything, we just tend to be more edgy in introducing new technologies
[14:11] <collabra> so,... in distro-release from previous versions,... how long did it take for bugs to be worked out,... major bugs
[14:13] <apachelogger> what do you mean by major bugs?
[14:13] <collabra> apachelogger: i understand and you make perfect sense.... like linux i'm beginning to mature myself,... and i'll be trying not to jump when dists come out
[14:13] <collabra> apachelogger: bugs that are common among new dists
[14:14] <collabra> apachelogger: bugs that are made aparant after release
[14:14] <apachelogger> depends on the implication of the bug
[14:15] <apachelogger> if the bug affects all users, it usually gets resolved ASAP
[14:15] <collabra> apachelogger: has there been any of those bugs in this release
[14:15] <apachelogger> so generally it depends on the scope of the bug, the more people are affected, the faster it usually is delt with (given that bug triage and developer resources are available of course)
[14:16] <apachelogger> collabra: not that I know of
[14:16] <ghostcube> hmm found an old soundblaster eax
[14:16] <ghostcube> will test this
[14:16] <apachelogger> there was one with all of Qt and certain other apps crashing on nvidia proprietary drivers
[14:17] <apachelogger> however IIIRC that did not even affect all users of the driver
[14:17] <ghostcube> apachelogger: iam glad the x probs i read about havent got me :)
[14:17] <ghostcube> hehe
[14:17] <ghostcube> but i didnt read anything about sound probs damn :D
[14:18] <collabra> apachelogger: so, do you consider 10.10 to be ready now,... and if not when should i give it another try?
[14:18]  * apachelogger still thinks that a configuration issues is more likely the problem for ghostcube
[14:18] <apachelogger> collabra: it works for me(tm)
[14:19] <apachelogger> software is *never* ready
[14:19] <freinhard> ghostcube: install libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[14:19] <apachelogger> due to the fact that there is no such thing as bug-free or perfect software
[14:19] <freinhard> that did the trick for me... lines in kmixer, working micro etc
[14:20] <collabra> apachelogger: i'll infer that means don't bother upgrading,... that i'll have the same experience regardless of time given to the software
[14:20] <ghostcube> freinhard: hmmm 
[14:20] <ghostcube> sounds good
[14:21] <apachelogger> collabra: depends on what you mean by experience
[14:21] <ghostcube> guys the hardest step ever was to use kde 4.0 from kde 3.x
[14:21] <apachelogger> if experience == rock stable, then I would go for the mantra "never change a working system"
[14:22] <collabra> apachelogger: well,... like whether i'm smiling or frowning
[14:22] <ghostcube> and i did it and i knew what waited for me but here in mav i think some news should have been spread before the peoples had clicked update
[14:22] <collabra> happy or sad
[14:22] <collabra> satisfied or ,... well....?
[14:22] <apachelogger> collabra: that still depends on what you expect
[14:23] <apachelogger> ghostcube: we have release notes
[14:23] <ghostcube> i knew you woukd say this :D
[14:23] <apachelogger> those state all the important bugs we know about
[14:24] <collabra> i may be naive about these distros,... but i expect a greater experience than say the 2600 build from microsoft,... which is basically what i 'experienced' from 10.10
[14:24] <collabra> i don't mean to be too critical,... but... eh.
[14:24]  * apachelogger notes that he really has no time to engage in buzzword discussions
[14:25] <ghostcube> apachelogger: no prob i didnt want to bother you just was a bit pissed for the sound bug :)
[14:25] <ghostcube> i will try freinhards solution so far
[14:26] <apachelogger> ghostcube: understandibly that you were pissed :)
[14:28] <collabra> apachelogger: at any rate,.. regardless,.. 10.04 works and i think expecting that same quality from 10.10 was premature,... i'll just keep that in mind when pondering an upgrade
[14:28] <collabra> apachelogger: thanks for taking time to talk to me.
[14:28] <collabra> eof
[14:28] <apachelogger> sure thing
[14:37] <ghostcube> freinhard: didnt work
[14:37] <ghostcube> :)
[14:37] <ghostcube> cause i needed to uninstall -alsa then and after this nothing worked anymore
[14:47] <apachelogger> oh, bug in dragonplayer
[14:47] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:50] <ghostcube> meeeh vlc doesnt work o.O
[14:50] <ghostcube> is this for anyone else too?
[14:50] <dmatt> no
[14:50] <ghostcube> claims updating alsa-lib
[14:50] <ghostcube> strange
[14:51] <dmatt> sorry, wrong channel
[14:56] <apachelogger> gstreamer - we do not only eat your ramz we also use silly names so that you have to install all sorts of unrelated crap to get playback working
[14:56] <ghostcube> :D
[14:57] <ghostcube> i think this good bad ugly very ugly extremly ugly is a pita
[14:57] <ghostcube> :D
[14:58] <Riddell> ulysses: well done on the progress
[14:58] <Riddell> ulysses: I think it's missing a library in the linking options
[14:58] <Riddell> probably needs a -lhuphp or whatever the library is called
[15:04] <Riddell> in CMakeLists.txt somewhere
[15:05] <apachelogger> now this works very well
[15:05]  * apachelogger aint got no sounds in gstreamer
[15:05]  * apachelogger got like a billion devices in phonon-gstreamer setup though
[15:06] <Mamarok> Riddell: there is no littleCMS in the sources AFAICS, it is an optional dependency for the next koffice
[15:07] <Mamarok> or am I just too dumb to find it?
[15:09] <Mamarok> nvm, found it, sadly the file description doesn't mention the word littleCMS, so it is not findable by a search, one has to know the library name
[15:10] <Riddell> Mamarok: liblcms1 ?
[15:11] <Mamarok> yes, it didn't show up when I searched with the term littlecms
[15:11] <Mamarok> found it now
[15:12] <Riddell> Mamarok: I'll upload a fix to that now
[15:12] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:17] <Mamarok> Riddell: also, which version is in Natty? is it already 2.0? I still have 1.18 in Maverick
[15:17] <Mamarok> trunk requires 2.0
[15:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afaik you can choose the country down below
[15:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks :)
[15:22] <freinhard> ghostcube: i got libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa and libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed and since i did so everything works like a charm
[15:23] <ghostcube_> i cant install libsdl-debian alsa and pulseaudio at the same time
[15:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it says in the requirements that you need a us shipping address
[15:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: gstreamer refuses to work here all and entirely
[15:25] <apachelogger> no clue why
[15:25] <shadeslayer> :/
[15:26] <shadeslayer> then why do they have that effing country entry?
[15:30] <ghostcube_> freinhard: how did you install both?
[15:30] <ghostcube_> if i try to instsall one of them the other one gets removed
[15:31] <freinhard> no idea. just did that in aptitude
[15:31] <freinhard> oh, my bad, looks like i didn't see the "rc" of -alsa in dpkg -l
[15:32] <apachelogger> groovy
[15:32] <apachelogger> according to yauap playback is working
[15:32] <apachelogger> I just dont here anythig
[15:32] <freinhard> anyways, installed -pulseaudio, reboot, works
[15:32] <apachelogger> maybe my hearing is not good enough for the superior might of gstreamer \o/
[15:39] <ghostcube_> brb
[16:49] <ghostcube_> huh i can route pulseaduio into jackd by pulseaudio plugin
[16:49] <ghostcube_> hmmm thats nice 
[16:49] <ghostcube_> :D
[16:49] <ghostcube_> still no channels but this is cool 
[17:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You're welcome.
[17:58] <ScottK> collabra: We test these things during development, but particularly with audio and video many of the problems are very hardware specific, so it's hard to make sure everyone has a good experience without making it the default.
[18:49] <androidlogger> Riddell: dvd playback has no menu navigation in dragon with gst :(
[18:50] <Riddell> androidlogger: well yes, that's a downside for gstreamer for sure
[18:50] <Riddell> but since we don't offer out the box dvd support anyway, you could argue it's no worse
[18:51] <ScottK> But don't we pop up a way to get it?
[18:51] <ScottK> So the difference between out of the box and not is very slight.
[18:53] <androidlogger> my system got navigaton headers for gst+dvd it seems, though making that work gives me a bit of a headache, just from thinking about it
[19:05] <ulysses> Riddell: I don't know what's changed, but now UPnP MedaServer can't even find HUPnP, so cmake fails too…
[19:48] <androidlogger> dvd navigation implemented in phonon gst
[19:48] <androidlogger> should even work with surface and gl rendering
[19:53] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1193987 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/ (DetailsWidget.cpp DetailsWidget.h) Remove the unused QApt::Backend pointer from the DetailsWidget class. Now that the tabs that use the QApt::Backend are in their own classes, the pointer is no longer used in the DetailsWidget
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> reduced mem consumption by 4 bytes \o/
[19:53] <jjesse> yay
[19:54] <ScottK> Every little bit helps.
[21:23] <ulysses> Riddell: I „fixed” it, I write the path of the libHUpnp.so into the CMakeList.txt, and now it works, I could browse the UPnP devices if I would have one
[21:25] <apachelogger> does anyone have a dvd where one has to enter stuff or something?
[21:31] <Riddell> ulysses: awooga
[21:32] <Riddell> ulysses: so lesson No 1 for packagers is upstream software sucks :)
[21:32] <Riddell> ulysses: now the trick is to get it all packaged
[21:37] <ulysses> Riddell: I get it now:P I sent an e-mail to Nikhil (author of UPnP MediaServer KIOslave) with my workaround
[22:12] <sheytan__> Riddell hey dude
[23:08] <valorie> apachelogger: need a US address? you can use mine, and I'll re-ship whatever-it-is to you
[23:09] <valorie> which reminds me, I need to ship maco's scarf to her
[23:09] <maco> oh yeah
[23:09] <apachelogger> valorie: probably not worth it, shipping would probably be super expensive
[23:09] <apachelogger> thanks for the offer though :)
[23:17] <valorie> little, or big?
[23:17] <valorie> big stuff is expensive, little not-so-much
[23:17] <valorie> email me your shipping address, maco
[23:17] <valorie> I'll put it in an envelope and send it tomorrow