[00:49] <hellslinger> anyone know how to install kubuntu netbook on existing ubuntu/kubuntu?
[00:51] <smw> hellslinger, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-netbook
[00:52] <smw> hellslinger, I know it works with ubuntu-netbook
[00:53] <hellslinger> yeah, it does
[00:53] <hellslinger> unfortunately it doesn't show up in the startup session list when I do it for kubuntu netbook
[01:09] <nbnds> can i upgrade kde in 10.04.01 to 4.5.3?
[01:09] <nbnds> or should i?
[01:51] <cochiloco> help
[01:52] <cochiloco> please
[01:52] <smw> !ask
[01:52] <cochiloco> nececito ayuda soy nuevo intale kubuntu
[01:52] <cochiloco> kiero mandar a windows a la chin............
[01:52] <smw> !es | cochiloco
[02:57] <dea_> 有人吗
[03:05] <smw> !cn | dea_
[03:49] <twiztedklown> ubuntu kubunt
[03:50] <twiztedklown> abazab u my onley friend
[03:50] <poyntz> how's Kubuntu 10.1 compare to 10.04 for ya?
[03:52] <poyntz> anyone know how to stop specific updates so i can do a distro upgrade?
[03:53] <kkathman> Does anyone know how to set the desktop effects "Cube" to move using keyboard keys as opposed to the mouse?
[04:07] <kkathman> Ahh ok got it
[04:46]  * Thibit wonders if anyone knows how to have widgets added to the Desktop activity when using the Netbook Plasma Desktop
[04:47] <Thibit> The widget bar isn't showing when I request it to
[05:02] <jmichaelx> anyone else having audio issues in 10.10 using intel HD audio? in amarok, my sound cuts out briefly once every several minutes.
[05:04] <collabra> 10.10 doesn't register my intel HD audio.... I went back to 10.04 lts when it registered a generic audio driver,... among other what i would consider 'major' bugs...
[05:05] <jmichaelx> collabra: is this more an ubuntu-wide issue, or is this more specific to kubuntu users?
[05:05] <collabra> i dont know the extent of the issue,... but, kubuntu does use the ubuntu repos
[05:05] <jmichaelx> collabra: IMO, maverick has a whole crop of major bugs. worse release for me in several years
[05:06] <jmichaelx> collabra: well, i know it uses ubuntu repos.... what i am asking is whether or not these issues exist when not using KDE and KDE apps.... to me, phonon is suspect in all of this
[05:07] <collabra> jmichaelx: well,... other than audio,... i had to manually restart compiz every login,... and some program crashed every login as well, giving me a 'crash handler' execution
[05:07] <jmichaelx> collabra: why did you feel the need to use compiz in KDE?
[05:07] <collabra> jmichaelx: don't know,... but i was 'very' disapointed,...
[05:08] <collabra> jmichaelx: why use compiz,... cause' it's part of the default install,... kubuntu.
[05:08] <collabra> and i like eye candy
[05:08] <jmichaelx> collabra: ok, that is not compiz.
[05:08] <collabra> jmichaelx: no,...?
[05:08] <jmichaelx> collabra: that is Kwin's native compositing management
[05:08] <collabra> jmichaelx: isn't it some part of compiz
[05:09] <jmichaelx> no, that isn't compiz
[05:09] <collabra> jmichaelx: ahh,...
[05:09] <collabra> kwin,... has major problems on my system,...
[05:09] <collabra> in 10.10 of course
[05:09] <jmichaelx> collabra: you CAN use compiz with KDE... some people do it, but i cannot understand how or why it would be worth the trouble
[05:10] <collabra> ahh,.. the reason you asked me... :)
[05:10] <jmichaelx> yea
[05:11] <collabra> jmichaelx: yeah... 10.10 was released too early
[05:11] <jmichaelx> collabra: it can definitely be a bit confusing
[05:11] <jmichaelx> collabra: something sure went wrong
[05:11] <collabra> jmichaelx: i'll be weary of future releases
[05:12] <jmichaelx> collabra: it's all dependent on what hardware one is using... there are always some regressions to contend with, but i have had problems with 10.10 on a variety of different machines
[05:12] <collabra> jmichaelx: it would be nice to think the 'newest' in programming would be relatively stable,... not in my case,... but, i'm really loving 10.04lts and will continue to be a big fan
[05:13] <collabra> jmichaelx: it's stable and i have a good deal of faith in it as a good platform for just about anything
[05:13] <jmichaelx> collabra: there are several areas with linux where each step "forward" is just a roll of the dice.... particularly with video, audio and wireless
[05:13] <jmichaelx> it is the greatest weakness linux has
[05:14] <jmichaelx> people can deal with knowing certain hardware does not work... but when it works in one version of a distro, but not the next, then works again in the next, but again not in the next.... this is very common, and EXTREMELY frustrating
[05:15] <collabra> jmichaelx: yeah,...i've used alot of distros,... but have always come back to kubuntu 10.04 lts
[05:16] <collabra> for me it's the easiest to use,... stable,... as far as i know, secure, fun to administer,... not to mention people's reaction as i show them the best rival to microsoft
[05:20] <GrimaceXL> Hey, guys I have an issue with a fresh install of kubuntu 10.10, my wireless wont scan and the light for it on my notebook wont come on. running  iwlist scan says the network is down, but when i try to  wlan0 up it says no such file or directory, can anyone assist me?
[05:20] <GrimaceXL> Thanks in advance
[05:21] <GrimaceXL> bcm4311 for the network card, btw
[05:21] <faustus> ah, if anyone has bcm43 questions, i just toiled on it for 4 days with good results
[05:22] <collabra> lol
[05:22] <faustus> does anyony know how to set up dual monitors on an older radeon card?
[05:22] <faustus> model 7000 to be exact. all i can get is the default mirroring
[05:22] <GrimaceXL> good to hear faustus
[05:22] <GrimaceXL> sorry it took 4 days
[05:22] <faustus> and for the record, i did it with fwcutter, not the other one
[05:23] <faustus> everyone debates fwcutter or.... whatever it's called
[05:24] <GrimaceXL> so faustus, on a fresh install of mavmeerkat, are drivers installed for this device (sorry linux newb)
[05:24] <GrimaceXL> to clarify what im asking is, is it a question of drivers, or is something else a matter here/
[05:24] <faustus> i don't know the build names.  i just installed kubuntu 10.14 or wahtever it is
[05:25] <GrimaceXL> ok well latest stable build on kubuntu.com is 10.10
[05:25] <GrimaceXL> so i got that
[05:25] <faustus> i have a bcm4306 and on a fresh install of kubuntu, i installed fwcutter and then activated the drivers in the driver manager
[05:25] <faustus> 10.10 it is then
[05:25] <GrimaceXL> I did so after the install of winxp got auto exploited and tried to install malware (made mebutthurt)
[05:26] <GrimaceXL> ok is there a deb package for fwcutter?
[05:26] <faustus> all i did on a fresh install was sudo install fwcutter or whatever...
[05:26] <faustus> i don't know the command, but you get the jist
[05:26] <faustus> once that was installed i activated the driver in the driver management program
[05:26] <GrimaceXL> kewl
[05:26] <GrimaceXL> sounds easier than wireless was back in... '07
[05:26] <faustus> with the pages and pages i read on the net, it's must easier than anyone makes it sound
[05:27] <hellslinger> does anyone know how to execute scripts after resuming from suspend? I've heard that having someting handle "suspend or thaw commands in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ would do it but I haven't had any luck (maverick)
[05:27] <GrimaceXL> ok yeah i tried ubuntu back in the day, i ended up ragequitting on account of wireless woes
[05:27] <faustus> oh.. i'm having problems maintainging my resolution settings on restart
[05:27] <faustus> it always resets on restat
[05:27] <faustus> restart
[05:28] <hellslinger> GrimaceXL: Yeah... thats where I am too
[05:28] <GrimaceXL> i also had your issue with radeon cards too
[05:28] <faustus> you think at this point in the build, old issues would be resolved
[05:28] <GrimaceXL> but my information is blurry and dated, so im going to keep my info to myself
[05:28] <faustus> tried kubuntu months ago and display worked and wireless didn't. now it's vice versa
[05:30] <GrimaceXL> yeah im sorry to be retarded but how do i install fwcutter
[05:31] <GrimaceXL> im kinda inept with anything beyond installing packages and it appears theres no package for fwcutter
[05:32] <faustus> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[05:32] <faustus> once you install that and activate the driver it will ask you to restart, in which case you should be good after the restart
[05:33] <GrimaceXL> unable to locate b43-fwcutter
[05:33] <faustus> dude it's not a dumb question.
[05:33] <faustus> hm
[05:33] <mrcreativity> i cant believe how hard it is to add a shortcut to the desktop folder
[05:33] <faustus> have you tried many other things?
[05:33] <GrimaceXL> @mrcreativity ugh, now try to allign them to a grid
[05:33] <faustus> i had to reinstall kubuntu first
[05:33] <faustus> cuz i had tried other stuff
[05:33] <GrimaceXL> no just started
[05:33] <mrcreativity> thats a whole other story
[05:33] <GrimaceXL> fresh install
[05:34] <GrimaceXL> hey were u trying to compare fwcutter to ndiswrapper
[05:34] <GrimaceXL> but forgot what it was called
[05:35] <faustus> yeah
[05:35] <faustus> i did it without ndiswrapper
[05:35] <faustus> see if you need to download fwcutter before install
[05:36] <GrimaceXL> yeah faustus, apparantly sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter is supposed to work but my install says it cant find it
[05:36] <faustus> i still haven't grasped the difference between downloading and installing versus just installing
[05:36] <GrimaceXL> am i supposed to add some secret ninja repositories before it will work
[05:36] <faustus> hmmmm
[05:36] <faustus> is this the computer with linux? or are you chatting on another computer
[05:37] <collabra> GrimaceXL: it might be in the 'partner' repos...? 10.04 does list b43-fwcutter
[05:37] <GrimaceXL> yes
[05:37] <GrimaceXL> this is it
[05:37] <GrimaceXL> fuuuuuuu..... it does
[05:38] <GrimaceXL> how do i determine if it is in the partner repos
[05:39] <collabra> GrimaceXL: you activate the partner repos, update, and search for fwcutter,...lol.
[05:40] <collabra> lol,... i dunno.
[05:41] <jmichaelx> hmm, i am having audio cut out on me using intel hd audio and amarok 2.3.2 in kubuntu 10.10... but right now, i am playing music in 'moc', and i am not experiencing any audio problems there....
[05:42] <jmichaelx> seems like the problem must be with amarok, phonon or pulseaudio
[05:43] <faustus> so does anyone know how to maintain resolution settings on a radeon 7000 card?
[05:44] <collabra> jmichaelx: under sytem setting>Multimedia,... does it list your intel hardware,.... coz, that was another reason for switching back to 10.04 for me,... 1010 only listed a generic audio driver
[05:45] <faustus> (on 10.10)
[05:45] <jmichaelx> collabra: all that is listed for my in my phonon settings is 'internal audio analog stereo'
[05:45] <jmichaelx> for me*
[05:45] <jmichaelx> faustus: what resolution are you needing?
[05:45] <faustus> the second from the top
[05:46] <collabra> yeah,... me too,... my intel hd audio drivers were not loading...  and yes i think i remember having issues related to bad audio
[05:46] <faustus> my monitor supports up to 1680x1050
[05:46] <jmichaelx> faustus: second from the top? i would have no idea what is second from the top for you
[05:46] <faustus> that's what it is on windows
[05:46] <faustus> and the ideal setting for the monitor
[05:47] <jmichaelx> faustus: i think you should be able to get that resolution, although you will have no desktop effects with that card
[05:47] <GrimaceXL> good work guys i uncommented the partner repos and shes downloading
[05:48] <jmichaelx> collabra: i think i may need to look into just ditching pulseaudio
[05:48] <collabra> GrimaceXL: you mean i was actually right,... geeze, it was a shot in the dark.
[05:48] <faustus> i do have desktop effects
[05:49] <faustus> i have most the effects
[05:49] <faustus> it's just the resolution resets to default when i restart the computer
[05:49] <jmichaelx> faustus: if you are using a radeon 7000, i cannot imagine that you could possibly have desktop effects... unless you use a very low resolution
[05:50] <faustus> it's not horribly low. can't think of what it is off the top of my head
[05:50] <jmichaelx> faustus: which version of kubuntu are you using?
[05:50] <faustus> 10.10 (most recent)
[05:50] <faustus> i get explode, and the wavy window when you move it option
[05:50] <faustus> wiggle, or whatever
[05:50] <jmichaelx> faustus: ok, got to 'system settings' and select 'display and monitor'
[05:50] <jmichaelx> faustus: i am impressed then
[05:51] <jmichaelx> go to*
[05:51] <faustus> then what?
[05:51] <faustus> i know i've been there, in that window
[05:52] <jmichaelx> faustus: you should see a selection right there for resolution
[05:52] <faustus> right. keep in mind i have 2 monitors, one dvi and one vga
[05:52] <jmichaelx> faustus: are they both working?
[05:52] <faustus> the vga one is small and old and i leave it where it is. the dvi i boost up a bit
[05:52] <faustus> they both work but they're mirrored when i want them to be individual like in windows
[05:53] <jmichaelx> faustus: sure, but still, this is where you manage the settings for your displays... no matter how many you have
[05:53] <faustus> so what next?
[05:53] <jmichaelx> faustus: like i said, this is where your resolution settings are
[05:54] <faustus> ok. and when i change them they return to default when i restart.
[05:54] <jmichaelx> faustus: do you click 'apply', then save the settings when prompted?
[05:54] <faustus> yeah.
[05:55] <faustus> it's a problem i've seen on the forums, but can't find a workable, definitive answer.
[05:55] <jmichaelx> faustus: hmm. you may need to create an xorg.conf in that case.... i am not sure why it would not save the settings you have given it
[05:55] <faustus> ok, that sounds familiar to what i've read.  but where is that file and what do i change?
[05:56] <jmichaelx> faustus: i cannot tell you exactly what to do, but it will probably involve you needing to to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:56] <faustus> i'm also fairly new, so how do i go about that?
[05:57] <jmichaelx> faustus: what to put there, especially for a dual monitor setup, i do not know... it would be best if you could copy an xorg.conf from someone who has one that is working with that card
[05:57] <faustus> oh man. i've seen things posted that are models close to my card, but not mine specifically
[05:58] <jmichaelx> faustus: i would ask in the forums for an example of a working xorg.conf for a a radeon 7000 for kubuntu 10.10.... i imagine someone will respond if you are able to possibly wait a day or two
[05:59] <jmichaelx> faustus: if i get the time, i might put a radeon 7000 in a spare box here, and see if i cannot figure it out.... if i do, i will try to get it posted to the forums
[06:01] <faustus> how does this look?
[06:01] <faustus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[06:01] <faustus> would you by chance be able to email me?  i don't have subscriptions to most the forums and not a lot of free time.
[06:02] <faustus> i've been using mostly google, because i imagine they are pretty common problems
[06:04] <jmichaelx> faustus: i cannot guarantee that i will have time... but i have a feeling that the docs you linked me to would give some very good idea.... if i do find the time, iwll try to make a fresh forum post on configuring radeon 7000 in maverick
[06:05] <jmichaelx> faustus: i am also often in here late evenings (eastern time, US)
[06:05] <grimace> Hey guys, collabra and faustus, thanks for the help, im on wireless now...
[06:05] <collabra> grimace: congrats!,... that's bad ass.
[06:05] <grimace> Its actually wasn't too hard, and I learnt something.
[06:06] <grimace> i just dont get why partner repos arent enabled by default
[06:06] <grimace> is it because kubuntu doesnt want to support partner packages
[06:07] <collabra> grimace: i think that partner repos are under different copyright or opensource policies
[06:07] <grimace> oic
[06:07] <jmichaelx> grimace: partner repos are never enabled by default, because they contain packages with non-free licenses
[06:08] <grimace> Well i was asked a similar question upon install and i said yes to allowing copywritten drivers
[06:08] <jmichaelx> grimace: hmm, i would have assumes that would have enabled those repos, but i am not sure
[06:09] <grimace> meh, oh well its fixed now..
[06:09] <collabra> :)
[06:09] <grimace> thanks again guys, knowing my luck I will be back
[06:09] <grimace> but until then :D
[06:09] <collabra> cya
[06:10] <faustus> thanks, man!  i'll come back and check in soon.
[06:10] <faustus> what's a good way to avoid installing the wrong stuff and messing up the chance of a workable solution?
[06:11] <jmichaelx> faustus:you will not need to install anything for your video... you will be using the native free/open drivers that you already have installed
[06:12] <faustus> i'm talking in general, like the wireless issue.
[06:12] <jmichaelx> faustus: do NOT try to install any proprietary AMD/ATI drivers... you will bork things royally that way
[06:12] <faustus> i would have installed 10 things if i followed every guide i found
[06:12] <faustus> ok
[06:12] <jmichaelx> faustus: well, i do not know about your other hardware
[06:13] <jmichaelx> faustus: is your wireless not working?
[06:15] <jmichaelx> would anyone here know anything what would happen if a person simply removed pulseaudio in 10.10?
[06:17] <collabra> jmichaelx: i'm not sure,... but a note,... not knowing why,... but, what's with all the hostility against pulseaudio?,... i've never had a problem.
[06:18] <collabra> jmichaelx: did it have issues back in the day or something?
[06:19] <jmichaelx> collabra: pulseaudio is awesome, if it works with your hardware... i had no problems with it in the last several versions of kubuntu, but i have major issues with it in 10.10
[06:20] <jmichaelx> collabra: this is using intel HD audio
[06:20] <collabra> ahh,... it's just that i've heard many user hating on pulse
[06:20] <jmichaelx> collabra:pulse can really suck sometimes
[06:20] <jmichaelx> collabra: like many things in linux, pulse is only half-baked
[06:21] <collabra> jmichaelx: what's prefered by users when it comes to audio, then?
[06:22] <jmichaelx> collabra: pulseaudio is preferred, IF it works well with your hardware... and 10.10 is the first version of kubuntu in which pulseaudio is there by default. oddly, it is also the first time that it has not worked for me on this machine
[06:22] <jmichaelx> collabra: without pulse, a person would normally just rely on alsa
[06:23] <jmichaelx> collabra: and i have just confirmed that if i avoid using pulseaudio, my sound is fine.... using pulseaudio (at least the way it is presently configured) it sucks
[06:24] <collabra> so, i'm not using pulse then,.. 10.04.... hmm,... that's why my audio didn't work well in 10.10
[06:24] <faustus> jmi: my wireless is working now
[06:24] <collabra> jmichaelx: i'm thinking i experienced the same issue you are, then.
[06:25] <faustus> it's just now the video card doesn't hold resolution and i can't get dual monitors.  once that works i'll be golden.
[06:25] <jmichaelx> faustus: awesome.... many wireless adapters work out-of-the-box these days, and many othes work with some minor tweaking
[06:25] <jmichaelx> collabra: it is possible. do you know what audio adapter you are using?
[06:25] <faustus> yeah, it took me a few days of attempted various combinations of commands
[06:26] <faustus> i have to run, but i'll be back in. thanks for your help!
[06:26] <jmichaelx> take care, faustus.... i will try to look into your video settings
[06:27] <collabra> jmichaelx: HDA Intel : ALC 2100 analog is my primary,... with HDA Intel: HDMI  as secondary
[06:28] <collabra> jmichaelx: sorry 1200 not 2100
[06:28] <jmichaelx> collabra: yeah, so you may well be running into issues similar to mine
[06:29] <jmichaelx> collabra: my intel HD chipset is not exactly the same as yours... but i have read that a number of them are having issues
[06:29] <collabra> jmichaelx: all i know is the driver installed was a generic,... not even a mention of any Intel driver
[06:31] <jmichaelx> collabra: well, that in itself does not necessarily mean that anything was amiss.... the gold standard is just 'did it work, or did it not?'
[06:31] <collabra> jmichaelx: and i truly hated the mixer,... i had absolutely no options in 1010
[06:31] <jmichaelx> collabra: yes, i hate that , too
[06:32] <jmichaelx> collabra: i think it was premature for pulseaudio to have been installed by default in 10.10.... but that is how they do things
[06:32] <collabra> jmichaelx: yeah, it did work,.. but, it just didn't 'feel' right, if you catch my drift
[06:32] <collabra> i have no confidence in 1010
[06:33] <jmichaelx> collabra: yes, and that may well mean that something wasn't quite right... i know my sound hasn't been right, but if i play music with an app that does not use pulseaudio, things are fine
[06:33] <collabra> i'm just very glad that when i installed 10.04 i created a separate /home directory.... I would have lost tons of document, music, files and such
[06:33] <collabra> going back to 10.04 that is
[06:34] <jmichaelx> collabra: a separate /home makes many things so much slicker
[06:35] <collabra> well,... i've experienced /home directory losses and just got tired and then got careful.
[06:35] <jmichaelx> collabra: i am planning to stay in 10.10 on this machine, but i had to revert my laptop from 10.10 to 10.04, and as you say, with a separate /home, it was really no big deal
[06:36] <jmichaelx> collabra: the best plan is to have a separate /home, and to keep /home backed up somewhere else
[06:36] <jmichaelx> that is what i generally aim for
[06:36] <collabra> i have a 320gb hd on my laptop,... and use 300 of it for my home dir
[06:37] <collabra> home being at the end of the drive and tagged as a logical drive
[07:09] <poyntz> about 300 blocked updates. anyway to fix?
[07:10] <collabra> poyntz: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:23] <sresu> Where should I extract this script- http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Sky.fm+and+DI.fm+radio+streams+service?content=126844 ?
[07:24] <sresu> ... in Amarok?
[07:28] <collabra> open amarok: then tools and then script manager,... hopefully you can figure it out from there,... sresu
[07:31] <collabra> sresu: don't extract the script file....
[07:54] <poyntz> 300 blocked updates.. anyway to fix?
[07:55] <collabra> poyntz: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:56] <poyntz> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdrm-nouveau1: Breaks: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (< 1:0.0.16) but 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[07:56] <poyntz> collabra: that's what I get when I try that
[07:57] <collabra> hmm,...
[07:58] <collabra> poyntz: why do you have 300 updates to begin with,... is this a new installation?
[07:58] <collabra> poyntz: are you updating the sys for the first time?
[07:59] <collabra> poyntz: or did you add a repo or a ppa?
[08:00] <BATi> hello everybody, can somebody help me to setup toshiba n554 bluetooth mouse in kubuntu 10.10?
[08:03] <poyntz> collabra: couldn't do a dist-upgrade so ended up changing every instance of the word 'lucid' in sources.list to 'maverick'
[08:03] <poyntz> collabra: then did an update & upgrade
[08:04] <poyntz> collabra: a lot of packages actually installed.. but 150 were blocked
[08:07] <collabra> poyntz: you did what?
[08:08] <collabra> poyntz: no,no,no.... there are internal ways of upgrading to the next distro,... what you did isn't recommended.
[08:09] <collabra> poyntz: you should have read the instructions for upgrading from one distro to another,...
[08:11] <collabra> poyntz: have you rebooted since you upgraded?
[08:12] <collabra> poyntz: or since your last upgrade?
[08:14] <BATi> please, can somebody help me to setup toshiba n554 bluetooth mouse in kubuntu 10.10?
[08:14] <poyntz> collabra: lots of times, for updates
[08:15] <poyntz> collabra: i know it's not the conventional way.. but kpackagekit kept failing the upgrade due to errors
[08:15] <collabra> i'm using 10.04,... and i'm not sure what timezone your in,... but this late in the evening isn't that great to find answers,.. not too many people helping at this time, BATi
[08:16] <stefanos> hello from greece
[08:17] <collabra> poyntz: so, what error do you get if you terminal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:17] <stefanos> to inform everyone that you can help its other directly using teamviewer  from www.teamviewer.com
[08:17] <collabra> poyntz: if any,... that is.
[08:18] <BATi> collabra: whoops, I did not take timezone to the equation :) sometimes I do forget, that not everybody lives in my timezone... BTW I am CEST+1
[08:18] <collabra> ah,... pst here,.. america is currently sleeping
[08:19] <BATi> collabra: still, after night spent on finding what is wrong, I've tried to find help here...
[08:21] <collabra> BATi: and for certain, you can find help at this time,... but there are usually more helper with more knowlege during what i would call ,... daytime. :)
[08:22] <collabra> it's currently 1:21 am here in the great pacific northwest.  :)
[08:22] <BATi> collabra: lesson taken :)
[08:22] <collabra> np
[08:24] <poyntz> collabra: no error msgs. just get a dump of packages that haven't installed
[08:24] <BATi> collabra: I'll just wait if somebody from my tz comes or if any nosleeper from USA comes in :)
[08:24] <poyntz> collabra: aka, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 288 not upgraded.
[08:26] <collabra> BATi: i'm sure that is probable...
[08:28] <collabra> poyntz: and, have you tried kpackagekit since your last reboot?
[08:29] <collabra> poyntz: kpackagekit handles those "not upgraded" packaged differently than apt-get or aptitude
[08:30] <collabra> poyntz: and third: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade gives you dependancy errors, am i right?
[08:33] <collabra> poyntz: you there?,... geez,... the pause between your answers is killing me,... i really want to go to 7-11 before beer thirty
[08:34] <collabra> poyntz: you've got less than  10 minutes before i leave
[08:38] <collabra> no, even less,... i'm leaving,... be back, maybe.... you should have followed the distro-upgrade how-to before you did what you did.... i hope you find a solution, poyntz.
[08:38] <BATi> collabra: oh jeeez, it is 7/11... I must make some post
[08:38] <collabra> post?,... i'm after alcohol... thanks anyway.
[08:40] <BATi> collabra: I am alcohol filled anyday, but I have to post for people here to remember what happened...
[08:42] <collabra> BATi: perhaps you can help poyntz if he ever comes back. he upgraded from lucid to maverick without reading any documentation... bye.
[08:43] <BATi> collabra: I'll try... have some beer on me :)
[08:50] <BATi> please, can somebody help me to setup toshiba n554 bluetooth mouse in kubuntu 10.10?
[08:51] <jmichaelx> why beer, when vodka does so much of a better job....
[08:52] <jmichaelx> vodka helps me not notice pulseaudio screwing up my music playback nearly so much...
[08:52] <poyntz> collabra: tried kpackagekit since all reboots
[08:53] <poyntz> collabra: also tried apt-get with no luck
[08:53] <BATi> jmichaelx: 'cause he is going to a beer party :) but you're right, I have a bottle of vodka sitting right next to my keyboard :)
[08:53] <poyntz> collabra: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade gives...
[08:53] <poyntz> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdrm-nouveau1: Breaks: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (< 1:0.0.16) but 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[08:53] <poyntz> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[08:53] <jmichaelx> BATi: you obviously undertook very careful planning precautions. kudos.
[08:54] <BATi> poyntz: so, if you don't need it unistall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[08:55] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i am late to the game, and should retire soon... but are you trying to remove nouveau due to some conflict with proprietary nvidia drivers?
[08:56] <BATi> jmichaelx: well I catched a liittle cold, so I drink coffe with vodka :) I call it "the russian coffee" :)
[08:56] <jmichaelx> russian coffee sounds excellent
[08:56] <jmichaelx> but then again, that is coming from someone who both a known caffeine and a known alcohol addict
[08:57] <BATi> little bit like irish coffee, but without flavor
[08:57] <jmichaelx> ya
[08:57] <jmichaelx> i like irish coffee
[08:57] <poyntz> BATi: trying that now
[08:57] <BATi> without added flavor, that was what I ment
[08:57] <jmichaelx> ya, i assumed that is what you meant
[08:58] <jmichaelx> a person could always purchase some flavored syrup
[08:59] <BATi> jmichaelx: so ya skilled caffeine and alcohol user, from what I  read :)))
[09:00] <jmichaelx> BATi: yes, bordering on professional
[09:00] <BATi> jmichaelx: same on me, same on me...
[09:01] <jmichaelx> BATi: goes well with debugging of all sorts
[09:02] <BATi> jmichaelx: well, yeah, I've ended rewriting whole program and in the morning I did not recognized it :)
[09:03] <jmichaelx> BATi: and yet it worked better than ever before, though, right?
[09:03] <BATi> jmichaelx: yep :)
[09:03] <poyntz> BATi: well it's workin now
[09:03] <jmichaelx> :-D
[09:04] <poyntz> BATi: hopefully i don't need nouveau.. :S
[09:04] <BATi> poyntz: that is something YOU should know, man....
[09:05] <jmichaelx> now if i could only figure out what the best way would be to disable pulseaudio in kubuntu maverick
[09:05] <BATi> jmichaelx: forever, or temporarily?
[09:06] <jmichaelx> BATi: i am afraid forever, provided that forever means until natty release
[09:06] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[09:07] <phoenix_firebrd> one of my ntfs partition is corrupt, is there a utility like chkdisk
[09:07] <jmichaelx> fsck
[09:07] <BATi> poyntz: This driver for the X.Org X server (see xserver-xorg for a further description)
[09:07] <BATi> provides support for NVIDIA Riva, TNT, GeForce, and Quadro cards.
[09:07] <jmichaelx> and fsck is not quite as profane as it appears
[09:08] <BATi> poyntz: so if you don't have any of those cards, you can remove it
[09:08] <jmichaelx> but does fsck work well with NTFS?
[09:08] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: what is the utility that kubuntu uses by default to check the disks at startup
[09:08] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: that should be fsck
[09:09] <jmichaelx> at least that would be my presumption
[09:09] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: what are the parameters that i have to give for the fsck
[09:10] <BATi> jmichaelx: the best option is remove the package pulseaudio
[09:11] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: from what i am reading, you should not / cannot use fsck with ntfs
[09:11] <phoenix_firebrd> ji,jmichaelx ima getting an error
[09:11] <jmichaelx> BATi: i suspected as much. i have both gnome and kde installed on this system, so i guess removing pulseaudio with probably mess gnome up a bit... but i don't care
[09:12] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[09:12] <phoenix_firebrd> filesystem
[09:12] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: you should probably use chkdisk from a windows machine
[09:13] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: will this work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=729535
[09:13] <BATi> jmichaelx: it should not mess anything... I've removed pulseaudio because of flightgear, and there was no problem....
[09:13] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=881344
[09:15] <jmichaelx> BATi: ty, i will probably proceed with pulseaudio removal later in the day. it's a shame.... it had worked fine for me on this machine the past few years, but suddenly in 10.10 it is turning my audio in something that sounds the way feces small
[09:15] <jmichaelx> smell*
[09:16] <dogmatix> hi room
[09:16] <dogmatix> anyone from india here?
[09:16] <jmichaelx> BATi: right now i am playing music with moc (therefore bypassing pulse) and the music is great
[09:16] <jmichaelx> if i use amarok, things get ugly
[09:17] <poyntz> BATi: yeh.. i got nvidia..
[09:18] <BATi> jmichaelx: well... nothing is perfect... until you carve it to your desired shape... which is with linux possible :)
[09:18] <jmichaelx> BATi: exactly why i adore linux
[09:18] <sresu> Resume playback on start doesn't work under Configure Playback in Amarok... How to fix it?
[09:19] <BATi> poyntz: and which type of card, certainly not a RIVA
[09:20] <BATi> jmichaelx: I too... and makes great server too :) win-win situation :)
[09:20] <jmichaelx> poyntz: 'lspci | grep VGA'
[09:21] <jmichaelx> BATi: that is for sure
[09:23] <poyntz> jmichaelx: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [GeForce Go 7400] (rev a1)
[09:24] <BATi> poyntz: then you can deinstall that conflicing package
[09:24] <poyntz> as in the nouveau one?
[09:26] <jmichaelx> poyntz: there is a proprietary nvidia driver you can install with that card, but you may run into complications getting it configured properly
[09:26] <BATi> poyntz: yes
[09:27] <jmichaelx> poyntz: nouveau would be the simpler solution... you would just have no 3d acceleration or compositing
[09:28] <BATi> jmichaelx: he have geforce card not a riva card...
[09:29] <BATi> jmichaelx: so he don't need that driver
[09:29] <jmichaelx> BATi: i see that... it looks like the card can use a more modern proprietary driver than i thought
[09:29] <jmichaelx> BATi: i agree. his card is newer than i thought it was
[09:30] <jmichaelx> i have an nvidia go in an older P4 laptop that needs the 96 driver... i just use nouveua
[09:30] <jmichaelx> nouveau*
[09:30] <BATi> jmichaelx: well riva is older, in that times I had a hair long to the waist :)
[09:30] <jmichaelx> but his is more recent
[09:30] <jmichaelx> lol
[09:30] <jmichaelx> BATi: and now you have no hair?
[09:30] <jmichaelx> :-)
[09:31] <BATi> jmichaelx: well, after chemotherphy and those things... I just keep a short hair :)
[09:32] <jmichaelx> ayayay... i would say
[09:32] <BATi> np
[09:33] <jmichaelx> BATi: knowing you had chemo, i must say, glad that you are here with us
[09:33] <jmichaelx> good night, all !
[09:34] <jmichaelx> happy hacking, etc
[09:34] <BATi> jmichaelx: to you too!
[09:35] <collabra> Back with the beer and happened upon some herb too...
[09:35] <collabra> did my guy get his distro updated?
[09:36] <BATi> collabra: no, he had one conflicting and redundad package... btw, herb? which one? :)
[09:38] <collabra> oregano,..lol,..I'm betting that one conflict was dissolved, or discontinued as a package in maverick.... right?
[09:41] <BATi> collabra: still, he does not need that driver in xorg, so removing it to prevent problems seems to be plausible
[09:42] <collabra> it was only that one package that was the problem?
[09:43] <BATi> collabra: I did not get any answer from him for about 15 minutes
[09:43] <collabra> yeah he was doing that to me too.
[09:44] <BATi> collabra: well... support :) only we don't have a SLA :)
[09:44] <collabra> SLA...?
[09:45] <BATi> collabra: service level agreement
[09:46] <BATi> collabra: it is agreement between a firm and customer how to handle accidents, how to pay them and so on...
[09:51] <collabra> sorry, there BATi,... had to ctrl alt backspace there,... first time i've had to do that,... not too sure what happened
[09:51] <collabra> might've been transmission
[09:52] <collabra> but i hear you about that SLA
[09:57] <sresu> How can I setup Quassel to use Jovie to speak the text of the posts?
[09:58] <Kasztan> ...
[10:03] <sresu> How to configure jovie?
[10:04] <poyntz> BATi: should i reinstall nouveau?
[10:05] <collabra> poyntz: is it available in maverick,... btw, congratulation on getting past your update issue
[10:05] <poyntz> thanks :)
[10:05] <collabra> poyntz: i'm betting nouveau isn't available in maveric
[10:05] <poyntz> collabra: the nvidia driver im using is the latest off the site
[10:06] <poyntz> collabra: will that affect things?
[10:06] <collabra> poyntz: i think it was discontinued as a package,... that's why it had no update candidate in maverick...
[10:07] <collabra> poyntz: i'm betting that, no, you don't need it,.. and i bet you couldn't find it anyway
[10:08] <collabra> poyntz: you can certainly search for it if you want,... but if the system runs fine,... well.
[10:56] <fanfan> Привет кубунтушникам
[10:56] <bazhang> !ru | fanfan
[10:57] <fanfan> ok
[11:10] <Peace-> hi
[11:10] <Peace-> :)
[11:10] <collabra> :)
[11:11] <Peace-> collabra: have you kdenlive?
[11:15] <collabra> ahh,... my current operating system is kubuntu 10.04 LTS,.. i'm not familiar with kdenlive
[11:19] <Peace-> collabra: well i have made a little job for it
[11:19] <Peace-> xD
[11:19] <Peace-> need testers
[11:19] <collabra> ah,... i see.
[11:20] <bazhang> !info kdenlive
[11:20] <Peace-> collabra: i have created an automatized script to provide a video project automatically
[11:20] <Peace-> with transitions
[11:20] <Peace-> if you are interested
[11:22] <collabra> Peace-: I have never used video editing software or anything close to it...
[11:22] <Peace-> collabra: it's a service menu for dolphin http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=134476&file1=134476-1.png&file2=134476-2.jpeg&file3=134476-3.jpeg&name=akm-video-qt
[11:22] <Peace-> anyway
[11:23] <Peace-> no problem at all
[11:23] <Peace-> if you are not interested
[11:23] <collabra> Peace-: what,... does it give a few seconds preview of video files?
[11:24] <collabra> Peace-: like when you hover over it with a mouse?  or what?
[11:25] <Peace-> collabra: if you want video preview on dolphin you have to install kffmpegthumbnailer
[11:25] <Peace-> collabra: my service menu creates kdenlive project...
[11:25] <Peace-> collabra: like this without you have to do nothiung
[11:25] <Peace-> nothing
[11:25] <Patricia> hello
[11:26] <collabra> Peace-: yeah,... i don't use kdenlive.... :(  sorry.....
[11:26] <Peace-> Patricia: hi
[11:26] <Peace-> collabra: no problem
[11:26] <collabra> hi
[11:26] <Patricia> Peace-: to install the kde-full must get the kubuntu-desktop?
[11:27] <Patricia> I installed and did not notice much difference :S
[11:27] <Patricia> ssrs
[11:27] <Peace-> Patricia: what did you mean ?
[11:28] <collabra> Patricia: I have done that very thing with my current kubunt 10.04,... and the basic difference is added programs
[11:28] <Peace-> but yes with kubuntu-destkop  you cna install everything related to kubuntu Patricia
[11:28] <Patricia> collabra mmm
[11:28] <Patricia> mmm
[11:28] <Peace-> collabra: remove dragonplayer install vlc
[11:28] <Peace-> xD
[11:29] <Peace-> install codecs
[11:29] <Peace-> install kffmpegthumbnailer
[11:29] <collabra> Patricia: but hey,... i've got games, education software, and a few development files.... you're right not much difference
[11:29] <Patricia> :P
[11:30] <Patricia> it only installs things I do not use :(  --> Game
[11:30] <collabra> Patricia: lol,... yeah,... me too :0)
[11:31] <Patricia> ^^
[11:32] <collabra> Patricia: in fact,.. aside from the solitare game,... i've never used any of the programs that were installed under kde-full
[11:32] <Patricia> :P
[11:32] <collabra> =)
[11:33] <poyntz> collabra: i'll try rebooting. thanks in advance for the help
[11:34] <collabra> what help?!?
[11:34] <Peace-> xD
[11:35] <collabra> i do believe he thanked the wrong person.
[11:35] <Patricia> You know solve this problem?  http://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagem/index/settingpatricia4.png
[11:36] <collabra> Patricia: the link timed out,... no site.
[11:36] <collabra> Patricia: lemmy try again.
[11:36] <Patricia> :S
[11:36] <Patricia> sorry
[11:36] <Peace-> yes
[11:37] <Patricia> new up
[11:37] <collabra> Patricia: yeah,.. timed out again.
[11:37] <collabra> Ocorreu um erro no banco de dados
[11:37] <collabra> Não foi possível conectar ao servidor de banco de dados usando os dados informados.
[11:37] <collabra> that's what i got from the link
[11:38] <Patricia> ;O
[11:38] <Patricia> ¬¬ upload fail akakakka
[11:38] <Patricia> new upload
[11:38] <Patricia> :D
[11:38] <Peace-> collabra: are you spanish?
[11:38] <Patricia> http://www.fotopersona.tk/settingpatricia4.png
[11:38] <collabra> no i speak english
[11:39] <Patricia> the effects
[11:39] <Peace-> kde bad installations detected
[11:39] <collabra> what am  i looking at here?
[11:39] <Peace-> collabra: he has no effetc
[11:39] <Peace-> effects
[11:40] <Peace-> i guess kdebase-bin should be reinstalled
[11:40] <Peace-> i guess
[11:40] <Patricia> a while they are gone
[11:40] <Peace-> Patricia: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-bin
[11:40] <Peace-> try that
[11:40] <Patricia> ok
[11:41] <Patricia> no :S
[11:41] <collabra> I do dig your desktop layout,.. Patricia,.. :0)
[11:41] <Patricia> Peace-: failed
[11:41] <Patricia> same
[11:42] <Patricia> ^^
[11:42] <phoenix_firebrd> i am not able to mount a ntfs volume using dolphin, i am getting an error. i check with chkdsk , it said there where no errors. any help?
[11:42] <Peace-> Patricia: kbuildsycoca4
[11:42] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: fastest solutions kdesudo dolphin
[11:43] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd: smart and safe solutions
[11:43] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: have you loaded the ntfs filesystem drivers?
[11:43] <Patricia>  sudo apt-get install --reinstall kbuildsycoca4
[11:43] <Peace-> fix the fstab
[11:43] <Patricia> ?
[11:43] <Peace-> Patricia: no
[11:43] <Peace-> Patricia: only run the command
[11:43] <Peace-> kbuildstuff
[11:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: i tried with admin. previleges
[11:43] <Peace-> !ntfs | phoenix_firebrd
[11:43] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: lemmy find the actual package for you
[11:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Peace-: other ntfs drivers are getting mounted
[11:44] <Patricia> Peace-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/527565/
[11:44] <Peace-> Patricia: now look at effects
[11:44] <collabra> yeah,... well, then there might be something wrong with the partition or maybe corruption within filesystem it's self
[11:44] <Peace-> Patricia: are there?
[11:45] <freinhard> hi!
[11:45] <Patricia> no effects
[11:45] <Peace-> phoenix_firebrd:  +1 collabra
[11:45] <Patricia> :S
[11:45] <Peace-> Patricia: ok wait a second
[11:45] <Patricia> ok
[11:45] <freinhard> is there a digikam 1.5.0 reopo for 10.10?
[11:45] <Peace-> Patricia: 10.10 or 10.04?
[11:46] <Patricia> 10.04
[11:46] <Peace-> Patricia: ok wait
[11:46] <Patricia> ok :)
[11:48] <Peace-> Patricia: copy and paste that on konsole
[11:48] <Peace-> Patricia: http://pastebin.com/XPjzqrHQ
[11:48] <Patricia> ok
[11:48] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: i just checked and kubuntu 10.04 defaults with the ntfs libraries installed.
[11:48] <Peace-> Patricia: should reinstall everything
[11:48] <Patricia> ;O
[11:49] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: this is the error message i am getting -->http://pastebin.com/gPimJacc
[11:49] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: so,.. i would bet on partition and/or filesystem corruption
[11:49] <Patricia> Peace-: pasted
[11:49] <Peace-> execute
[11:49] <Peace-> :)
[11:49] <Patricia> will it solve?
[11:49] <Peace-> press enter
[11:49] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: but i checked with windows check disk , it says everything is fine
[11:49] <Peace-> Patricia: it should
[11:49] <Patricia> :)
[11:50] <Peace-> Patricia: after that logout and login
[11:50] <Patricia> download
[11:50] <Patricia> 177mb
[11:50] <Patricia> ok Peace-
[11:50] <Peace-> yea i know
[11:50] <Patricia> tks
[11:52] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: what i gathered from the pastebin is that either you didnt specify the filesystem type,... in this case ntfs,... or,... you tried to pass an option that doesn't exsist
[11:52] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: can you post the command you used in the pastebin,... please.
[11:53] <poyntz> collabra: unfortunately, not getting anything when I startup now :(
[11:53] <poyntz> collabra: I get a cursor and a black screen
[11:53] <collabra> poyntz: i'm confused but what did i help you with?
[11:53] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: what command. i just clicked the drive in dolphin and it reported the error. if you want i cound paste a snapshot
[11:54] <poyntz> collabra: getting sudo apt-get update to work
[11:54] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: OH,... you just clicked,... hmm.....
[11:54] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: dolphin should mount the drive when i click without a problem right?
[11:54] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: lemmy think about that one.
[11:55] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: my kubuntu is 10.10 and i installed it yesterday only
[11:55] <collabra> poyntz: you've come in here with three different screen names,... am i correct?
[11:55] <poyntz> collabra: not at all
[11:55] <poyntz> collabra: i'm working off wired internet
[11:56] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: oh,.. well,... i certainly have had my share of problems with 10.10,... in fact, after two days i had so many problems,... i went back to 10.04 LTS
[11:56] <poyntz> collabra: i just did an update which you and a few others helped me do
[11:56] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: really?
[11:56] <poyntz> collabra: but now there's a bug in xserver/plasma-deskto
[11:57] <collabra> poyntz: sorry,.. i just didn't recognize you,.. i apologize.... now, what's happening?
[11:57] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: i think i found the problem
[11:57] <poyntz> collabra: just did an upgrade.. managed to install 112 packages
[11:57] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: good,... lemmy know how it goes.
[11:57] <poyntz> collabra: rebooted, and then plasma-desktop doesn't start up
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: see the wrong fstab entry./dev/sda1	/	ext4	errors=remount-ro	0	1
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: sda1 is ntfs
[11:58] <collabra> poyntz: ok,... if i remember,... you manually changed the sources.list from lucid to maverick,... right?
[11:58] <poyntz> collabra: yep
[12:00] <sunweishou> Hello!
[12:01] <poyntz> collabra: kdm starts, i login, then im left with a cursor and a black screen
[12:01] <poyntz> collabra: also can't launch any apps via hotkeys
[12:02] <collabra> yeah,... well,... if you had upgraded the recommended way,.. I believe a special program would have run to properly upgrade to the maverick distro,... so,... when you updated manually,... you didn't get certain crucial software related to maverick. the difference betweeen lucid and maverick are great enough to need this software.
[12:02] <poyntz> collabra: it wasn't letting me upgrade the conventional way
[12:02] <poyntz> collabra: by conventional i'm assuming you mean kpackagekit
[12:03] <collabra> poyntz: either that is the case,.. or that program that updates to maverick configures the system specific to maverick
[12:03] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra: successfully solved the problem
[12:03] <collabra> phoenix_firebrd: right on...
[12:03] <poyntz> collabra: i'm still getting 38 packages held back. could that be a problem?
[12:03] <poyntz> collabra: when i try to update that is
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> collabra, Peace- thank you for the support
[12:04] <Peace-> :)
[12:04] <collabra> poyntz: i mean reading a little about just how to upgrade from one distro to another,... you should have considered this before you upgraded
[12:04] <collabra> !upgrade
[12:05] <poyntz> collabra: i read about modifying the sources.list. that's the problem lol
[12:05] <poyntz> collabra: i searched for the error i was getting, and they came up with a hook around
[12:06] <poyntz> collabra: the sources.list file was the hook around they had
[12:06] <collabra> poyntz: the question is,... can it be done,... and if so, how.
[12:06] <collabra> !dist
[12:06] <poyntz> collabra: last time something like this happened it's because the new plasma packages didn't install correctly
[12:07] <poyntz> collabra: this is a recurring problem on upgrades for me lol
[12:07] <poyntz> !dist > poyntz
[12:07] <poyntz> collabra: nothing there..
[12:08] <collabra> ok,... well,... can you use: sudo aptitude to search for the plasma packages that are needed from the terminal
[12:08] <collabra> !upgrade
[12:08] <poyntz> collabra: do you know if plasma-netbook is needed?
[12:08] <collabra> ^ poyntz ^
[12:09] <collabra> poyntz: only if you are using a netbook
[12:09] <poyntz> collabra: sorry for the lame question but is a laptop a netbook?
[12:10] <collabra> poyntz: no,.. a laptop is either amd64, 64 bit,.. or  the standard 32 bit
[12:10] <poyntz> collabra: ah k
[12:11] <poyntz> collabra: i tried reinstalling some xorg/xserver files.. ill restart n see how it goes
[12:11] <collabra> k
[12:31] <Patricia> 67% ;O
[12:33] <collabra> 67% .....  ?
[12:33] <Patricia> reinstall kde
[12:33] <Patricia> :S
[12:36] <collabra> Patricia: ah,..
[12:36] <Patricia> 73% :S
[12:36] <Patricia> aeea
[12:36] <Patricia> rsrsrs
[12:37] <Patricia> my networks no fast
[12:37] <Patricia> :S
[12:37] <collabra> ha...
[12:47] <VOA> it
[13:04] <dante__> hay
[13:04] <dante__> :)
[13:04] <salaah> after i updated kubuntu, i lost the option of chosing a kde session from the login screen. i had to reinstall kubuntu-deesktop from the software
[13:05] <salaah> i added the kubuntu ppa...updated and when i restarted, i lost the kde session option
[13:14] <logik> hows is going
[13:14] <powerinside> Knetworkmanager no longer autostarts on its own despite being checked in autostarts list!!
[13:16] <logik> any one in here interested in helping me out?
[13:16] <logik> is the kubuntu forums down for everyone?
[13:17] <rork> logik: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ says service unavailable indeed
[13:17] <logik> awesome
[13:18] <logik> well lets see i have an interesting problem
[13:18] <logik> my wireless card shows up and "connects"
[13:18] <logik> but i cant ping or get online
[13:20] <rork> !wifi | logik
[13:21] <Firefishe> I'm having trouble with my microphone on my asus g50v laptop not working with 4.5.1, or any other desktop environment.  The microphone is simply not detected.  I'm using 10.04.
[13:21] <rork> logik: That's all I know about wireless, I can't help you in another way with it but probably someone else will pick it up, there are some wireless here who might help you
[13:22] <logik> thank you
[13:31] <ghostcube_> hmm, i updated to 10.10 and i think wasent my best idea. so how to get audio channels back in the kmix tool?
[13:31] <ghostcube_> i only got one damn internal audio
[13:32] <ghostcube_> and why isnt jackd be noticed by the soundsystem in mav again?
[13:32] <collabra> ghostcube_: lol,... ur the fourth one today.... i had the same problem among other when it comes to 10.10
[13:32] <ghostcube_> collabra: sounds cool, any help so far
[13:33] <collabra> ghostcube_: i went back to 10.04 lts
[13:33] <ghostcube_> i dont know where to start
[13:33] <collabra> ghostcube_: there has been no solutions,...
[13:34] <collabra> ghostcube_: most, including me,... were using intel audio hardware
[13:34] <ghostcube_> me too
[13:38] <ghostcube_> woah this is truely the worsest release ever after gutsy
[13:38] <ghostcube_> i think i will the first time ever install any windows os here so i have a working system
[13:38] <ghostcube_> i never thought i would say this
[13:39] <ghostcube_> -.-
[13:45] <SiB> Hello, I do 'crontab -e' and put my entry here. Where is my crontab located? Editor say that is in temp... I thinking in ~/crontab is correct but I havent that file..
[13:50] <SiB> ok, I found it, users crontab are located in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
[13:50] <Krezkey> Hello all, Can someone tell me how to empty the user temp folder. I keep getting a prompt that I can not because I am not the owner
[13:52] <SiB> Krezkey, you try use chown & chmod on this temp folder ?
[13:52] <Krezkey> never heard of those, have no idea what they are
[13:54] <Krezkey> still learning this OS,  only 2 or 3 week into it
[13:54] <SiB> Krezkey, put some more information about this folder. Where is his localization. You use only Graphical Interface or some black box command too?
[13:56] <Krezkey> home \ user \ tmp  is the location ....never used command line stuff before
[13:57] <Krezkey> don't know anything about command line
[13:57] <Krezkey> SIB, sorry
[13:58] <Krezkey> I better come back here when I can keep my eyes open. taking pain pills and coming here was a bad idea....lol
[13:58] <SiB> Krezkey, ok, I try to help you, please wait. I created user tmp to reproduce your problem :)
[13:59] <Krezkey> ok I'll hold on as long as I can
[14:00] <Krezkey> eyes are very heavy
[14:01] <SiB> Krezkey: I have easy resolution :)
[14:01] <Krezkey> how does this chat hi-lite the replys in the window, are mine hi-lited on your screen SIB  ?
[14:02] <Krezkey> SIB Ok let me have it
[14:03] <SiB> Krezkey: Left ALT + F2 will open window. Please put this text 'sudo nautilus' and press 'run in terminal' and buttom 'run'. You show black box - ignore it. You show nautilus who can deleted any folder - be carefully wiht this.
[14:04] <SiB> Krezkey: I translate the name of windows... maybe there are other names. I used Polish language of my 10.10.
[14:05] <Krezkey> Wow that was nice of you to do, thanks SIB
[14:07] <SiB> Anyone know why in 10.10 dont work running command 'gksu nautilus'? I put my password or bad password and I not have any new windows.
[14:07] <SiB> Krezkey: You welcom.
[14:08] <Krezkey> SIB, Thank you. That worked perfect and was easy too
[14:08] <SiB> Krezkey, Please do for me one test.
[14:09] <otradnoe> ЗДАРОВ ВСЕМ
[14:10] <Krezkey> SIB  whats that ?
[14:10] <SiB> Krezkey: ALT+F2 and put text 'gksu nautilus' and directly button RUN (without the check box run terminal). Passwork shoud be asking in nice GUI and Nautilus shoud be working good to. In my PC not start, I dont know why
[14:10] <otradnoe> Есть кто русский?
[14:11] <SiB> otradnoe: Please use translate.google.pl or other translate engine.
[14:12] <SiB> otradnoe: Пожалуйста, используйте translate.google.pl или другой перевод двигателя
[14:13] <Krezkey> SIB, I did that and got a password prompt, entered password but nothing opened up or happened after.
[14:13] <Krezkey> password did ask in nice GUI but niothing else
[14:14] <SiB> Krezkey: I use 10.10 64bit Kubuntu with Gnome as default. You?
[14:15] <Krezkey> SiB, I am running Ultimate 2.8 10.10 32bit with compizans emerald
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:16] <Krezkey> compiz and emerald
[14:16] <SiB> Krezkey: I thinking we found one bug in *ubuntu :), I put it to ubuntu bugzilla
[14:17] <Krezkey> SiB: nice to chat with someone so far away like this and get help.  What bug is that ?
[14:19] <SiB> Krezkey: at first, please searching in google :), You find resolution as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug :)
[14:20] <Krezkey> SiB: I know what a bug is,  Wanted to know what bug you found
[14:24] <Krezkey> Hi BluesKaj
[14:24] <SiB> Krezkey: It's not working command: 'gksu command'. In prev ver of *ubuntu is working. This is bug
[14:25] <Krezkey> SiB: ok did not understand at first.
[14:26] <Krezkey> SiB: when you let your system run and it goes into sleep or suspend, Do you have parts of your screen missing or totally gone when you try to resume ?
[14:27] <SiB> Krezkey: Your problem with this tmp folder it's a security problem. Please read more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chown & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod to understand all aspects. My answer is good in this case but in future you must know this. :D
[14:28] <Krezkey> SiB: ok I will read it.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> hi Krezkey
[14:29] <Krezkey> Hi BluesKaj
[14:30] <SiB> Krezkey: Hmm, I dont understand... I use it and all work fine. You have any of screenshoot?? 'Print Screen' key or 'prt sc' key shoud be fine to report this.
[14:30] <SiB> Hi BluesKaj.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hi SiB
[14:31] <Krezkey> SiB: thats the other problem, nothing works when it does that. No mouse or keys. I have to kill it with power button and restart.
[14:32] <Krezkey> SiB: Music still plays from Amarok but nothing else works.
[14:32] <SiB> Krezkey: ok, I give you other method. Better :)
[14:33] <Krezkey> SiB: I have to go. My Pain pills are making me too sleepy to read the screen. Hope to catch you on here again.
[14:34] <Krezkey> SiB: Thanks again.
[14:34] <Krezkey> Night all
[14:35] <SiB> try in this way: CTRL+ALT+F1 (it's open black box {shell}) and you must put your creditionals and put command halt or poweroff or shoutdonw -r now.
[14:36] <SiB> But for me if you put 'service kdm restart' you can be login to system again and all will be working fine.
[14:38] <Krezkey> SiB: I will try that next time if keys work. Thanks again but I have to go now.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> howdy, I'm trying to edit the fonts in dolphin and kate when run as kdesudo or sudo .I'd like to make the toolbar fonts larger due the size of the monitor ,The files that I have edited and saved like /etc/network/interfaces, use the system settings fonts that I set up, but files run as root do not
[14:44] <James147> BluesKaj: if you want to edit settings when running kdesudo run "kdesudo systemsettigns" to edit roots settings :)
[14:44] <BluesKaj> I asked the above question in #kde , but no response , thought I'd ask in the off chance that someone might have some insight
[14:47] <BluesKaj> James147, thanks, wonder why settings are different as root
[14:48] <James147> BluesKaj: because they are taken from /root/.kde since its running as root
[14:50] <BluesKaj> too bad still doesn't fix the dinky fonts on chromium bookmark bar and tabs
[14:52] <dmatt> another computer, another problem with update...
[14:52] <dmatt> process of actualisation ended with code 127
[14:53] <James147> dmatt: how are you updating?
[14:53] <dmatt> it failed before shortly after downloads were finished
[14:53] <dmatt> through kpackagekit
[14:53] <dmatt> from 10.04
[14:54] <dmatt> I am upgrading 10.04->10.10
[14:54] <James147> dmatt: so your doing a release upgrade?
[14:54] <dmatt> yes
[14:54] <James147> dmatt:  :)
[14:54] <James147> dmatt: try running thi sin a terminal: "sudo apt-get update && sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:56] <dmatt> says GPG error .. repositories are from Maverick, and there is no new ubuntu release
[14:58] <James147> dmatt: ... hmm, try running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:01] <logik> mind if i ask a question
[15:01] <James147> !ask | logik
[15:02] <dmatt> James147: lots of missing dependencies, refused to run, recommends usinf -f option
[15:03] <James147> dmatt: then run it with -f   ... or run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[15:04] <logik> thank you, ok so on my desktop i have a wireless card and it connects to my secured network, I use DHCP reservation, I get a proper ip, but I cannot ping my router or any outside address along with the default browser cant go anyware.
[15:08] <BluesKaj> dmatt, try sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:09] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I need to add GPG key for repositories first I guess
[15:10] <James147> dmatt: can you pastebin the error
[15:10] <BluesKaj> dmatt, no remove any ppa repos from your /etc/apt/sources.list first ,,sorry should have mentioned that
[15:11] <James147> BluesKaj: I think hes 1/2 way though the upgrade... seems to ahve the maverick repos enabled...
[15:12] <dmatt> James147: BluesKaj: yes, my update failed shortly after all new packages were downloaded and setting of new packages began
[15:15] <James147> dmatt: can you pastebin the gpg error message/.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> dmatt, ok ,are you stuck in upgrade limbo on the cli ?
[15:16] <dmatt> James147: I am not sure it would help because it si localised...
[15:17] <James147> do it anyway :)
[15:17] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I have the upgrading netbook running and talk and google on my primary notebook :)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> dmatt, sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list , changes the repos to maverick
[15:18] <dmatt> BluesKaj: it is already on maverick, that part od update went ok
[15:19] <BluesKaj> ok, well something good came of it then
[15:20] <dmatt> apt-get update downloads everything and then complains about public GPG key not available
[15:20] <James147> dmatt: can you paste that error...
[15:21] <wang222> hey how do I add a shortcut to an application to my bar at the bottom ?
[15:21] <dmatt> paste!|dmatt
[15:21] <James147> !pastebin
[15:22] <wang222> anyone?
[15:22] <James147> wang222: unlock the widgets and drag and drop the application from the menu
[15:22] <eagles0513875> hey guys im on kubuntu lucid 64bit and my system wants to run an fsck but it cant do it when the check is forced
[15:23] <eagles0513875> im on a live cd of lucid so how can i tell it to run fsck on next reboot
[15:23] <eagles0513875> when im not on the live cd
[15:23] <eagles0513875> the drive is a 2tb hdd
[15:23] <wang222> James147: it is unlocked but when I drag down it doesn't stay there
[15:24] <James147> wang222: what version of kde/kubuntu?
[15:24] <logik> well guys appericeate all the help but I think I will try on my own from here
[15:24] <wang222> 10.10 and not sure what version of kde
[15:24] <wang222> ahh I figured it out
[15:24] <elimental> Just an observational question, is it normal for Kubuntu 10.10 64 bit to have 3 times as many updates as 10.10 32 bit?
[15:24] <wang222> I have to put it in the left side only...
[15:25] <collabra> eagles0513875: whatever you do dont run it while it's mounted
[15:25] <eagles0513875> collabra: ya i know
[15:25] <James147> wang222: you can move the widgets in the panel around when you have the panel settings open
[15:25] <eagles0513875> James147: used the wrong command lol was using fdisk instead of fsck or at least trying with that command
[15:25] <collabra> eagles0513875: you can run fsck while in the live cd, though
[15:25] <wang222> cool, thanks!
[15:25] <eagles0513875> collabra: ya i am its running now
[15:26] <collabra> eagles0513875: k.
[15:26] <James147> eagles0513875: :)
[15:26] <eagles0513875> stupid me
[15:26] <SiB> eagles0513875: Maybe 'tune2fs -c 1 /dev/drive' can help
[15:27] <dmatt> James147: it is in paste.ubuntu.com/527667/
[15:27] <eagles0513875> SiB: i got it
[15:29] <James147> dmatt: try this to fix the errors: http://en.kioskea.net/faq/809-debian-apt-get-no-pubkey-gpg-error
[15:29] <eagles0513875> time to restart and see if that fixed it or broke my system
[15:31] <collabra> eagles0513875: fixed...
[15:31] <eagles0513875> collabra: rebooting now had to change a setting in bios now booting up
[15:31] <eagles0513875> seems like its done the trick me thinks
[15:31] <eagles0513875> yep that did it :)
[15:32] <collabra> eagles0513875: i had to do the same thing 3 weeks ago.
[15:32] <eagles0513875> :)
[15:32] <eagles0513875> well just learned somethign new today
[15:32] <eagles0513875> had tons of problems yesterday but not linux related
[15:34] <collabra> eagles0513875: i think having /boot in a separate partition would be an advantage for fsck checks.
[15:35] <eagles0513875> collabra: im still debating about turning this desktop into another server and building myself a new i7 rig
[15:35] <dmatt> James147: does not work, gpg.conf has the security wrong set :(
[15:35] <collabra> eagles0513875: i'm still saving for my i7 project
[15:37] <eagles0513875> collabra: bring it into kubuntu-offtopic m8
[15:40] <dmatt> James147: without sudo the command worked, but key was not found
[15:40] <James147> dmatt: ... it kind of needs sudo to work
[15:40] <logik> any body know of a channel i can get help with a networking problem?
[15:42] <James147> dmatt: can you not run "sudo apt-get install -f" and just ignroe the warnings?
[15:42] <logik> have I been labeled with the plague or something?
[15:43] <James147> !wait
[15:43] <dmatt> James147: you mean at-get upgrade -F
[15:43] <dmatt> *apt-get
[15:43] <James147> dmatt: either should work
[15:43] <DarthFrog> !question | logik
[15:44] <logik> i ahve been here for 2 hours any idea how long it takes
[15:44] <dmatt> James147: Ok, i run the force installation
[15:45] <dmatt> James147: but is it enough to get correctly set up system?
[15:45] <James147> logik: that entirly depends on when someone joins that knows the answer to your question... the best thing to do is repeat your question every 30 mins or so so that people that have joined know your problem and to search the forums while you wait
[15:45] <DarthFrog> logik: Is your default route set up correctly?
[15:46] <DarthFrog> logik: "netstat -nr" will tell you what it is currently.
[15:46] <James147> dmatt: I would have thorught so... you can run a "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" after to make sure you ahve all the required packages
[15:46] <logik> ok wil do
[15:47] <dmatt> James147: ok, thanks for the tip
[15:50] <logik> Darth Frog: I don't think its set up right I would like to post the output but cant remember to websute to paste it
[15:50] <James147> !pastebin | logik
[15:52] <dmatt> !grub
[15:55] <DarthFrog> logik: "sudo route add default gw <gateway IP address>" will set the default gateway.
[15:56] <elimental> LOL!!! just did that <--- idiot removed network widget and needed to manually add address to be able to apt it again
[15:57] <BluesKaj> hey DarthFrog , if the route command doesn't see the gateway address, does the command you posted set it permanently
[15:57] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:58] <elimental> BluesKaj: to set it permanently you have to edit /etc/networking/interfaces file
[15:58] <dmatt> James147: apt-get install -f did not upgrade kernel
[15:58] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: No, not permanently.  You can add it as a "post-up" command in /etc/network/interfaces, though, to have it reset everytime networking is reset.
[15:59] <James147> dmatt: now try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:59] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: You don't need the "sudo" preface in the interfaces file.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> elimental, understood ..I use /etc/network/interfaces, rather than NM
[16:00] <elimental> BluesKaj: I am forced to do this as Kubuntu pppoe seems a tad grumpy
[16:00] <BluesKaj> you need kdesudo to save the file after editing anyway
[16:01] <dmatt> James147: dist-upgrade in progress
[16:01] <BluesKaj> elimental, it was a new command to me , because there are ppl who can't find the their router IP with the 'route' command
[16:23] <Peace-> Mamarok: ping
[16:30] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[16:43] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[16:52] <bdizzle> hi, last night my clock switched over properly, but this morning it jumped to being an hour behind
[16:57] <chriss0110> Hi, i'm looking for the debugging symbols for plasma but i dont know which package i have to install. can anyone help me?
[16:58] <tsimpson> chriss0110: kdebase-workspace-dbg
[17:00] <elimental> Its official.... Kubuntu network manager widget is from hell sent here to taunt me
[17:00] <chriss0110> tsimpson: i installed that already but there is still missing a debug package that has something to do with plasma. i got "#7  0x08ac49a2 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_message_indicator.so" but i dont know which package this is
[17:01] <tsimpson> !find usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_message_indicator.so"
[17:01] <tsimpson> !find usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_message_indicator.so
[17:01] <chriss0110> tsimpson: so which debug package is this?
[17:03] <tsimpson> chriss0110: give me a sec to look
[17:03] <chriss0110> tsimpson: yepp
[17:06] <chriss0110> guess kde doesnt like me, it crashes and crashes :-/
[17:08] <chriss0110> i just have to start evolution and plasma crashes
[17:09] <chriss0110> ...and i just have to minimize and maximize anything and whole kde crashes oO
[17:14] <tsimpson> chriss0110: I can't find a debugging package for that
[17:14] <greenmang0> can anybody help me configure mic on kubuntu 10.10
[17:14] <chriss0110> tsimpson: i thought there is a debug package for everything
[17:15] <tsimpson> there should be, but I can't find it
[17:16] <chriss0110> okay, another problem first: i maximize something and whole kde crashes. i open evolution and plasma crashes. i type something in firefox and whole kde crashes. is there anything i can do?
[17:17] <Peace-> chriss0110: mm loooks like you got a bad installation of kde
[17:17] <Peace-> chriss0110: or... you have added weird plasmoid
[17:17] <Peace-> chriss0110: please add a new user to your system and check with that user if the problem there are
[17:17] <chriss0110> Peace-: i only installed kubuntu-desktop and got this.
[17:18] <chriss0110> Peace-: will do this
[17:18] <eagles0513875> Peace-: not in offtopic?
[17:18] <Peace-> i am
[17:18] <Peace-> now
[17:20] <yofel> chriss0110: about the debug package: there's no -dbg package for it, but it has a -dbgsym package in the debug archives if you really need it (first try a fresh configuration though as Peace- said)
[17:23] <SiB> I have Kubuntu with ubuntu-desktop installed (gdm used). When I run kdesudo that is good. gksu ask as pass but next do nothing. Any one know how correct gksu working?
[17:24] <eagles0513875> hey guys where can i finde the url of the 64bit maverick iso i would prefer to download it using wget instead of my browser
[17:24] <eagles0513875> and the site doesnt seem to allow me to get the url
[17:24] <chriss0110> its exactly the same with a new user
[17:25] <yofel> chriss0110: about the debug package: there's no -dbg package for it, but it has a -dbgsym package in the debug archives if you really need it (first try a fresh configuration though as Peace- said)
[17:26] <chriss0110> yofel: i tried it with is a new user but got the same problems
[17:26] <yofel> chriss0110: err right (I posted the message already before you said that, but you left a few seconds before that)
[17:27] <chriss0110> ah okay
[17:27] <yofel> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[17:28] <ikonia> eagles0513875: wget is just going to get the same url as your browser
[17:28] <chriss0110> yofel: okay, will do this when i got a system that is not crashing every ten seconds
[17:28] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i know but i find it faster then using firefox
[17:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yes, but the point is the URL is the same
[17:29] <ikonia> and it's not faster
[17:29] <ikonia> it's the same
[17:29] <ikonia> its just a http get request
[17:30] <chriss0110> yofel: so what can i do now?
[17:31] <yofel> chriss0110: did you see if ~/.xsession-errors says something about what fails?
[17:35] <chriss0110> yofel: sorry i dont know how to get information out of this. can i post it on any paste service?
[17:35] <yofel> sure
[18:27] <randy_> Beer load [           /         ] 55%
[18:32] <Mamarok> Peace-: pong
[18:33] <Peace-> Mamarok: which was the package to get pulse working on 10.10 ?
[18:33] <Peace-> upavpulse
[18:33] <Peace-> or something?
[18:33] <Mamarok> pavucontrol
[18:33] <Peace-> :) ty i have to test it
[18:33] <Mamarok> Peace-: you are welcome :)
[18:35] <eagles0513875> hey ikonia since when is the 64bit iso over 700mb?
[18:35] <eagles0513875> its coming up on k3b and brasero as 727mb iso
[18:35] <eagles0513875> O_o
[18:36] <franco> alguien que sepa manejar el konqueror_
[18:36] <eagles0513875> !es | franco
[18:37] <yofel> eagles0513875: I think that's 700MiB -> 727MB
[18:37] <eagles0513875> yofel: nope
[18:37] <eagles0513875> k3b and brasero show otherwise
[18:38] <eagles0513875> its not letting me burn a cd
[18:38] <yofel> eagles0513875: well, *which* iso
[18:38] <eagles0513875> this is on lucid
[18:38] <eagles0513875> 64bit maverick iso
[18:39] <yofel> then I wonder where you got that from because the maverick 64bit kubuntu iso is 696M
[18:40] <eagles0513875> yofel: it could be a bug in dolphin
[18:40] <eagles0513875> yofel: i downloaded it off the kubuntu site
[18:40] <yofel> let me fetch the iso and see what dolphin and k3b say..
[18:41] <eagles0513875> yofel: even the make startup disk program is showing the iso at 727
[18:44] <franco> alguien que hable espanol?
[18:44] <eagles0513875> !es | franco
[18:45] <eagles0513875> yofel: im gonna reboot erally fast
[18:45] <yofel> sure, I'll need a few more minutes anyway
[18:45] <franco>  kubuntu
[18:45] <franco> somebody speak spanish?
[18:46] <eagles0513875> yofel: back
[18:46] <franco> this program kubuntu is free?
[18:46] <eagles0513875> franco: yes
[18:46] <eagles0513875> !kubuntu | franco
[18:46] <yofel> eagles0513875: that was fast..
[18:46] <eagles0513875> just restarted x
[18:46] <yofel> ^^
[18:46] <eagles0513875> bah cant use the usb creator
[18:46] <eagles0513875> its giving me this error org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.Busy: One or more partitions are busy on /dev/sdb
[18:46] <eagles0513875> O_o
[18:47] <eagles0513875> and there is nothign going on activity wise on the usb device
[18:47] <franco> for me this sowftwre is nice but anybody know to use or....
[18:47] <eagles0513875> just ask your questions
[18:48] <eagles0513875> franco: join ubuntu-es if you feel better speaking in ur native language
[18:48] <franco> for example how installa programs adobe
[18:48] <eagles0513875> those wont work on linux
[18:48] <franco> i need to use photoshop, sombedoy know how to do this?
[18:48] <eagles0513875> !photoshop
[18:48] <eagles0513875> ^thats what you want franco
[18:49] <eagles0513875> yofel: brb again this time need a full restart
[18:49] <eagles0513875> damn dbus
[18:49] <franco> use design promgrams... but thisprogram because i likde the interface
[18:49] <franco> yhanks for the links ubottu
[18:51] <eagles0513875> yofel: back
[18:52] <yofel> wb, (80% downloaded..)
[18:52] <eagles0513875> i think i have a bad check sum O_o
[18:52] <eagles0513875> dunno
[18:53] <eagles0513875> showed fine but usb programs say otherwise
[18:53] <eagles0513875> !upgrade
[18:57] <eagles0513875|2> back again yofel
[18:57] <yofel> hm, I'm running Maverick here with 4.5.3, dolphin says 695,5MiB which is correct, as the file is ~696MiB/729MB large
[18:59] <yofel> k3b 2.0.1 get's the right filesize too
[18:59] <eagles0513875> what is plymouth yofel
[18:59] <eagles0513875> humm them im bugged
[18:59] <eagles0513875> im on version 2.0
[18:59] <yofel> plymouth handles the boot splash and boot message interaction
[19:00] <eagles0513875> dunno y i think plymouth is the cause of all my issues
[19:02] <phoenix_firebrd> not able to connect my mobile to pc using bluetooth
[19:03] <eagles0513875> yofel: my download is corrupted
[19:03] <yofel> bad luck huh..
[19:04] <eagles0513875> this weekend bad luck big time
[19:04] <eagles0513875> yofel: even on windows the iso is showing 727mb
[19:06] <yofel> I think windows uses 1024^X to show file sizes too
[19:06] <eagles0513875> i think i have a corrupted iso
[19:06] <eagles0513875> ill bbl#
[19:07] <yofel> checked checksums?
[19:08] <eagles0513875> ya but ill redownload just to make sure
[19:09] <eagles0513875> that looks more like it download size
[19:09] <yofel> tried torrent or zsync? they check checksums by themselves
[19:10] <eagles0513875> no i havent
[19:10] <eagles0513875> right now im downloading at max download speed i get on my 10mbps line 1.2mbps
[19:11] <eagles0513875> been having ram issues which i just fixed :(
[19:12] <yofel> ouch
[19:13] <eagles0513875> darn static build up somehow on the motherboard pc wouldnt work with more then 4gb of ram for some reason
[19:13] <eagles0513875> now at least im back up to 8
[19:16] <eagles0513875> ya
[19:16] <eagles0513875> and im wondering if there is build up again
[19:16] <eagles0513875> things crashing left right and center
[19:16] <eagles0513875> i think im long over due for a clean install
[19:16] <FloodBotK1> eagles0513875: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:16] <eagles0513875> O_O
[19:16] <eagles0513875> yofel: was i flooding
[19:19] <yofel> I guess the 4 lines in <30s was too fast ^^
[19:19] <eagles0513875> yofel: now thas more like it size wise :)
[19:19] <yofel> what's it now?
[19:19] <eagles0513875> 695
[19:20] <yofel> better
[19:20] <eagles0513875> unetbootin is being a bit of a pain
[19:20] <eagles0513875> having issues creating a bootable usb
[19:22] <hallcyon> was able to create kubuntu x64 bootbale usb but  not so lucky with the x32
[19:22] <kyubutsu> nixie clock widget stopped working
[19:22] <eagles0513875> hallcyon: i normally am but im having so many problems with this install not sure if its related to the hardware issue i have been having or not
[19:22] <kyubutsu> >:(
[19:23] <eagles0513875> yay
[19:23] <eagles0513875> at least its burning to the cd
[19:23] <eagles0513875> might use my moms windows laptop to make a bootable usb from the cd
[19:23] <kyubutsu> borked system.. nothing a clean install wouldnt fix
[19:24] <hallcyon> most ubuntu 10 release i tried failed to install in my desktp so far
[19:24] <hallcyon> they install just fine under my laptop
[19:24] <kyubutsu> hallcyon: amd or intel
[19:24] <hallcyon> intel desktop, amd laptop
[19:25] <eagles0513875> intel desktop a core2 quad here
[19:25] <kyubutsu> and kubuntu10 isnt installing on either you say?
[19:25] <hallcyon> i7
[19:25] <hallcyon> nop under laptop it works perfect
[19:25] <hallcyon> but desktop , it boot extremly slow (if it does)
[19:26] <eagles0513875> O_o
[19:26] <eagles0513875> are you dual booting hallcyon
[19:27]  * kyubutsu running kubuntu10 on pentium4.. no issues, a bit jerky at times though
[19:27] <hallcyon> i have a spare hdd all for ku :)
[19:28] <eagles0513875> haha same here
[19:28] <eagles0513875> 2tb hd for kubuntu
[19:28] <eagles0513875> 500 for windows but if i can get me games working under wine ill consider dumping it
[19:28] <eagles0513875> ok here goes nothign time to reinstall
[19:29] <kyubutsu> got lucky on rekonq too.. got openjdk6 .. not bad ; but, how come openjdk7 isnt in repo?!
[19:29] <kyubutsu> >:(
[20:44] <shlepka> hi
[20:46] <shlepka> tomorrow armagedon is gonna come
[20:49] <Space_Man> shlepka: is armagedon a KDE4 app?
[20:51] <shlepka> nope that's the end of the world i was just checking if anybody can hear me : )
[20:51] <Space_Man> we can hear you
[20:51] <shlepka> really : D
[20:51] <Space_Man> but most of us are ignoring you or afk :P
[20:51] <James147> shlepka: most of the time your going to get a better response if you just ask "can anyone hear me?" ...  :)
[20:54] <shlepka> there's more fun in armagedon : )
[20:56] <shlepka> is anyone using konversation irc client?
[20:57] <James147> shlepka: quite a few people are...
[20:58] <shlepka> and you?
[20:58] <eagles0513875> hey yofel
[20:59] <shlepka> you?
[21:00] <shlepka> br
[21:00] <James147> shlepka: no I am not..
[21:03] <yofel> eagles0513875: hm?
[21:03] <eagles0513875> one issue that still hasnt ben resolved since lucid
[21:03] <eagles0513875> for me is the problem of the installation hanging at 25% unless i disable acpi
[21:03] <yofel> don't know about that :/
[21:04] <eagles0513875> ffs now it kernel panicked while reformatting
[21:04] <eagles0513875> this is on a 2tb hdd formatting with ext4
[21:04] <eagles0513875> the funny thing is if i use ubuntu server to install
[21:05] <eagles0513875> it will install just fine for me
[21:05] <yofel> o.O
[21:05] <eagles0513875> exactly
[21:05] <eagles0513875> all i know is that 2tb hds need gpt enabled in the kernel
[21:05] <eagles0513875> which with lucid it had it from the get go
[21:06] <eagles0513875> this is really getting upsetting
[21:07] <eagles0513875> tbh i think ubuntu really needs to re look their release schedule
[21:11] <vbgunz> when I miss a scrollbar and grab onto a part of the window, how do I stop it from moving the window?
[21:11] <yofel> I think the release schedule is fine, it's more that the open source world has a quite fluffy definition of 'ready to be released' - ubuntu itself can't possibly fix all the bugs in the software they ship in a reasonable time
[21:12] <yofel> vbgunz: I read about that once... was some oxygen feature, now I just need to remember how to turn it off...
[21:14] <vbgunz> yofel: it's not obvious and I gotta go digging through crazy screens for it. I'll get to it
[21:19] <yofel> vbgunz: found it, run 'oxygen-settings' and set "Windows' drag mode"
[21:20] <eagles0513875> yofel: i just feel like it just doesnt have enough time to get polished
[21:20] <eagles0513875> yofel: also when booting onto cd what does edd = on mean or do
[21:20] <vbgunz> yofel: awesome, that nailed it. good looking out! It's appreciated!
[21:20] <yofel> vbgunz: np
[21:21] <yofel> eagles0513875: no idea, never heard of that yet..
[21:21] <eagles0513875> ffs
[21:21] <eagles0513875> now im getting input output erros
[21:21] <yofel> eagles0513875: and sure, it could take some more time, the the longer you wait, the older the software gets :/
[21:21] <eagles0513875> this is rediculous
[21:22] <eagles0513875> thats nice the installer crashed
[21:24] <eagles0513875> sry yofel im just frustrated with this
[21:25] <yofel> np, it's been a while since I saw someone having *that* many issues o.O
[21:25] <eagles0513875> i have had since lucid
[21:25] <eagles0513875> since i got my 2tb hdd
[21:26] <eagles0513875> i might end up using server to install
[21:26] <eagles0513875> good excuse to try out the cloud
[21:38] <eagles0513875> yofel: now im getting .so issues
[21:38] <eagles0513875> libakonadi-kde-so.4.5.0 saying it didnt match its source copy on the cd/dvd
[21:38] <yofel> this starts sounding ridiculous...
[21:38] <eagles0513875> yofel: tell me bout it i had this same bs issue with lucid
[21:40] <eagles0513875> yofel: are you a dev ?
[21:41] <yofel> nope, I hang out in -devel though if theres some easy stuff to do
[21:41] <CanadianPirate> Is it possible to switch to the desktop with Present Windows?
[21:42] <eagles0513875> yofel: im really starting to get disheartened i filed a bug against ubiquity in regards to this issue and nothing was done about it
[21:42] <yofel> CanadianPirate: not that I know of
[21:42] <CanadianPirate> yofel That would be a good feature though
[21:42] <eagles0513875> yofel: im really loosing faith in this distro :(
[21:43] <yofel> eagles0513875: you *could* ask in #ubuntu-installer, I don't know how responsive the guys are there
[21:43] <eagles0513875> didnt even know there was a channel for it
[21:44] <CanadianPirate> eagles5013875 What is your problem? (joined after you said)
[21:44] <yofel> ubuntu has more channels than you can possibly keep track of indeed..
[21:45] <eagles0513875> CanadianPirate: lots of problems with the installer
[21:45] <eagles0513875> errors installer crashing
[21:45] <eagles0513875> kernel panics
[21:45] <eagles0513875> same issues experienced on lucid
[21:45] <eagles0513875> im bout to say the hell with this and install ubuntu server
[21:45] <CanadianPirate> Ah. That is odd. Is you hardware fully supported?
[21:46] <eagles0513875> yes
[21:46] <eagles0513875> if i use an ubuntu server cd it installs just fine
[21:46] <eagles0513875> either the installer is bugged
[21:46] <eagles0513875> or there is a really weird kernel issue that the server version solves and desktop doesnt
[21:47] <eagles0513875> CanadianPirate: im installing to a 2tb hdd
[21:47] <CanadianPirate> That may be a problem, but I have never heard of that before
[21:47] <eagles0513875> i know you need ext4
[21:47] <eagles0513875> and the kernel has to have gpt support
[21:49] <eagles0513875> and i was told all kernels have it be generic or otherwise
[21:49] <CanadianPirate> I just looked it up, and there has been problems. Is is possible to get a 1tb and install on that?
[21:49] <eagles0513875> nope :(
[21:49] <eagles0513875> i might end up going back ot lucid
[21:49] <eagles0513875> or to another distro like debian
[21:50] <James147> eagles0513875: have you tried the alternitive installer?
[21:50] <eagles0513875> James147: no i havent yet
[21:50] <eagles0513875> bout to call it a night for tonight
[21:50] <eagles0513875> and go watch southpark
[21:50] <CanadianPirate> eagles0513875 Do that, then see what happens (with the alternate installer)
[21:51] <eagles0513875> ya i will
[21:51] <eagles0513875> im trying to see if i go directly to the installer if that is bugged
[21:51] <eagles0513875> if i go right to the live desktop if it will work if i remember correctly that is what i did
[21:54] <eagles0513875> ikonia: im having same issues as i was having with lucid
[21:56] <vbgunz> I have pretty much all repos enabled. but I cannot find sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin
[21:56] <PooBakery> I was wondering, how do I add a tag to a window so that I can apply the window rules based on the tags?
[21:56] <eagles0513875> vbgunz: install the kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:56] <eagles0513875> thats where they are
[21:56] <eagles0513875> !java
[21:56] <PooBakery> At the moment, the window rules always have to be set again after a new login etc
[21:56] <vbgunz> eagles0513875: I already have that
[21:57] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I did say it was silly to upgrade a distro for icons not looking right
[21:57] <ikonia> (I assume that's what your talking about)
[21:57] <eagles0513875> ikonia: no
[21:57] <ikonia> oh?
[21:57] <vbgunz> eagles0513875: running sudo update-java-alternatives -l shows me, I only have openjdk
[21:57] <ikonia> what issue then
[21:57] <eagles0513875> ikonia: installation issues with so objects notbeing right version kernel panics during install installer crashing
[21:57] <eagles0513875> im doing a clean install for stability reasons
[21:58] <ikonia> eagles0513875: so objects not being right ?
[21:58] <PooBakery> so basically what I want to do is add a parameter to each application I start which then determines the window rules, like "> kopete #desktoplist"
[21:58] <ikonia> eagles0513875: can you expand ? I don't know what your referencing
[21:58] <eagles0513875> the error says  that ths so on the dvd is different then the version being installed
[21:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what error ? (this is the first time I've heard you mention a problem installing)
[21:59] <eagles0513875> i had this same installation issues with lucid
[21:59] <eagles0513875> when i was installing to my 2tb hdd
[21:59] <yofel> vbgunz: do you have the partner repos enabled? sun-java6 is there
[22:00] <eagles0513875> im gonna leave this installing ill see if it errors and let you know exactlyw hat its saying ikonia
[22:00] <ikonia> eagles0513875: no, you havd issues with gpt partition tables as I recall, not different versions of stuff
[22:00] <vbgunz> I had to run this sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ maverick partner"  ... otherwise, it's not where I could easily enable it from kpackagekit
[22:01] <yofel> odd, partner *should* be there by default (or did you upgrade? I'm don't know what's supposed to happen there)
[22:01] <dmatt> PooBakery: have you tried setting application rule, it might survive logout
[22:02] <vbgunz> yeah I upgraded from lucid
[22:03] <PooBakery> dmatt: that might work, but then I can't have multiple windows with different behavior
[22:06] <dmatt> PooBakery: i don;t know your use case, but did you think about using activities?
[22:07] <westy> i need to mount my drives at boot (why wouldnt you want that on a desk top system? it should be automatic)
[22:07] <PooBakery> what are activities?
[22:07] <westy> so i need to make sure I am reading the latest on configuring fstab
[22:08] <westy> lifehacker has an article on activities: http://lifehacker.com/5668873/use-kde-activities-to-create-different-desktops-for-work-and-personal-use
[22:08] <dmatt> thanks westy :)
[22:10] <westy> dmatt: do you know where i can find the latest on setting up my drives to automount
[22:11] <dmatt> just add it to fstab and that is enough
[22:11] <dmatt> /etc/fstab
[22:17] <ilika> Hey guys, why cant I login X? on GIU it wont login but it kernel mode it does login strange
[22:19] <ilika> anyone ?
[22:21] <James147> ilika: could you explain your problem in abit mroe detail?
[22:26] <westy> dmatt: copy it from where? where do i get the uuid from to add to my lines in fstab?
[22:26] <ilika> James147: When I input my login / pass when kubuntu loads KDE it blicks red as if my username and password is incorrect, but when I login via Console - everything logs in just fine.
[22:26] <ilika> blinks*
[22:27] <westy> you root?
[22:28] <ilika> yes
[22:28] <westy> you are trying to log in as root?
[22:29] <westy> why is the iPhone less supported with Kubuntu then with Ubuntu?
[22:30] <ilika> westy: no, the username is apogee
[22:31] <James147> ilika: what happens if you kill kdm and try running "startx" from the terminal?  (to stop kdm run "sudo stop kdm")
[22:32] <ilika> o one second
[22:32] <ilika> it says "waiting for X server to shut down ddxSigGiveup: Closing log
[22:33] <dmatt> westy: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[22:33] <James147> :s never seen that message before
[22:33] <James147> ^^ ilika
[22:33] <ilika> hmm
[22:33] <dmatt> westy: but you can use /dev/sdax format as well
[22:37] <ilika> so whats my best bet?
[22:37] <PooBakery> does anybody here understand how kstart works? More specifically, how do window rule and window class work?
[22:37] <kkathman> did the developers get rid of disk usage analyzer in 10.10 ?
[22:40] <ilika> is ubuntu more stable than kubuntu?
[22:41] <maco> ilika: in the case of the X server thing? um well ubuntu desktop doesnt hit that bug exactly, no.  it just flat out kills X without mercy instead of actually fixing it though :)
[22:42] <maco> (this is on the list of "fun things i learn at developer summits")
[22:43] <ilika> I think im gonna be better off with gnome
[22:43] <ilika> Is there a way to "reset" settings to default or anything?
[22:43] <maco> !purgegnome
[22:43] <ilika> or need to clean install all agaion?
[22:43] <maco> !puregnome
[22:43] <maco> clearly my typing is biased :P
[22:44] <ilika> i installed kubuntu, not ubuntu
[22:44] <maco> thats fine
[22:44] <ilika> ok
[22:44] <maco> the webpage has directions for how to remove all the kde stuff and install the gnome stuff
[22:45] <maco> the underlying architecture is exactly the same. the only difference is evolution / firefox / empathy versus kontact / rekonq / kopete and the menus/panels/login-screen
[22:45] <ilika> aptitude command not found
[22:46] <maco> use apt-get
[22:46] <ilika> ok
[22:46] <maco> aptitude isnt installed by default in 10.10
[22:46]  * maco should go fix that wiki page
[22:46] <ilika> packe kubuntu-desktop is not installed , so not removed
[22:46] <ilika> package*
[22:48] <ilika> when i type startx pc just goes black
[22:48] <ilika> black screen
[22:48] <ilika> hard drive led not even blinking
[22:50]  * Guest12867 Back :@ (Excess Flood) 
[22:50] <ilika> I think its because its on hibernate or something, what would be a command to purely reboot the box
[22:50] <ilika> shutdown -r?
[22:51] <ilika> and whats console different to terminal? or same thing?
[22:52] <maco> same thing
[22:53] <maco> and yes, shutdown -r or "reboot" to reboot
[22:53] <maco> did you install ubuntu-desktop to get gnome installed?
[22:54] <ilika> nope
[22:54] <ilika> i think im just gonna reinstall ubuntu netbook edition
[22:55] <ilika> i uploaded the problem in a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNOvGhUUrQM
[23:01] <westy> cat /var/log/kdm
[23:01] <westy> cat /var/log/kdm .log rather
[23:01] <westy> if x is not configured kdm cant start
[23:02] <ilika> westy: me ?
[23:02] <westy> ilika: yeah lol
[23:02] <westy> ilika: sorry
[23:02] <ilika> it loaded yesterday
[23:02] <westy> ilika: updates?
[23:02] <ilika> config changed by itself?
[23:02] <ilika> yeah
[23:03] <maco> ilika: were you logged in, and logged out, and then tried to log back in?
[23:03] <maco> X has a bug where it doesnt respond to the "ok now restart" command that kdm sends it
[23:03] <westy> ilika: what changed, try reading the file at /var/log/apt/history
[23:03] <maco> this is a known bug
[23:03] <ilika> i don't know it just wont login via GUI interface
[23:03] <ilika> only via console
[23:03] <maco> gdm doesnt use that command. instead it force-kills X and then starts it up again, which is why logging out and in again works fine
[23:04] <ilika> so what do I do?
[23:05] <westy> but it worked before the update?
[23:05] <westy> ilika: but it worked before the update?
[23:05] <westy> Is it still ok to use pysdm with Maverick?
[23:06] <ilika> westy: yes it did
[23:06] <ilika> westy the log file is huge
[23:06] <westy> yeah but you can get to the end :)
[23:07] <ilika>  i guess ill just reinstall
[23:07] <ilika> ubuntu netbook version
[23:07] <westy> ilika: the log lists what packages went in on what days. if its a package related to x it can cause problems
[23:08] <westy> could he dpkg reconfigure x or whatever ubuntu's way of reconfiguring X is?
[23:08] <ilika> it was a new install with firefox and chrome
[23:09] <ilika> and wireshark, but wireshark installed many more pakages with it
[23:09] <westy> i think it looks more like x cant start
[23:09] <ilika> it cant, I type X
[23:09] <ilika> and it just goed dark
[23:09] <ilika> goes
[23:10] <westy> sounds like a poorly configed video driver to me
[23:10] <westy> again what does the log say! read the last entry and also look at kdm error log too. it also is in /var/log/
[23:11] <ilika> ill just reinstall, Ill try out gnome
[23:11] <westy> ubuntu's nice.
[23:11] <ilika> ive always used kde
[23:11] <westy> yeah I cant leave KDE
[23:11] <westy> look install gnome then bring in KDE
[23:11] <ilika> but anyway both have a nice interface for netbooks
[23:12] <westy> i like Gnome on the laptop, KDE on the desktop
[23:12] <westy> Is it still ok to use pysdm with Maverick?
[23:12] <ilika> does gnome have a gui package installer?
[23:13] <ilika> like kpackage
[23:14] <wilhart> why does my procector video flicker on playback? mplayer,. nvidia, vpdau
[23:14] <westy> ilika: you can use the Ubuntu package manager, or Synaptic
[23:15] <maco> westy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg has not done *anything* to configure graphics since 2007 or 2008, and i really wish people would stop uselessly recommending it
[23:15] <westy> ilika: Ubuntu is very polished, Gnome doesnt have all the tricks that KDE does, but the Ubuntu desktop is very easy to use
[23:15] <westy> maco: I said what ever Ubuntu's way of doing things is....I didnt out and out recommend it.
[23:15] <maco> there also hasnt been an xorg.conf by default since 2008
[23:16] <westy> maco: what in Ubuntu?
[23:16] <maco> X autoconfigures itself
[23:16] <maco> X hasn't *needed* an xorg.conf since 2008, so Ubuntu hasn't shipped one since then
[23:17] <maco> (some features of proprietary drivers still need one, though, so X still supports having one and will use it if you write one up)
[23:17] <russia_bear> ааллоо
[23:17] <maco> !ru
[23:18] <westy> maco: yeah, i know you can still have one, and often need one for certain devices, but like I said, whatever method used here. I have been using Debian Sid for the last 3 years so.....
[23:19] <maco> there is no command to configure X is my point
[23:19] <russia_bear> выфп рав  воатр  влаор лва вар арлор
[23:19] <russia_bear> ?
[23:19] <maco> i mean, *if its starting* you can use xrandr (if you're not using proprietary nvidia drivers)
[23:19] <westy> Funny that because of the Freeze for Squeeze, Debian Sid KDE is older then Kubuntu's. And thats why I am here.
[23:20] <maco> but if X won't start and you think it's a config thing not a bug... the only thing to do is to type out an xorg.conf
[23:20] <maco> !ru | russia_bear
[23:20] <wilhart> anyone have same issues than me with flicering on playback
[23:20] <wilhart> ?
[23:21] <russia_bear> ?
[23:21] <usa_bear> ok
[23:21] <wilhart> heh
[23:21] <wilhart> i'm watching a movie called bear
[23:22] <wilhart_bear> yes
[23:22] <maco> will you pick one and stick to it?
[23:22] <maco_bear> ?
[23:23] <maco_fuko> I have quest
[23:23] <level1> I'm having trouble with wireless.  My wireless adapter is recognized but no networks show up, even though there are many wireless access points in the area.
[23:24] <level2> level1 and?
[23:25] <level1> level2, and I can't connect to my WAP.  I want to.  How do I?
[23:25] <level2> I know that maco know that question... go to maco
[23:27]  * maco waits
[23:28] <wilhart> u got deopped?
[23:29] <maco> no
[23:29] <maco> well...i mean, not unintentionally
[23:29] <wilhart> oh long time i used irc
[23:30] <wilhart> like 20 years
[23:30] <maco> there is a policy against staying op'd when not in the middle of kicking / banning / quieting
[23:30] <maco> if all 20-ish of the channel's ops were op'd all the time, itd look too hostile
[23:30] <maco> so we just op up when we need to
[23:33] <wilhart> maco do you know anything about "kde effects+playback with mplayer pdau with nvidia card" ?
[23:33] <maco> nope
[23:33] <maco> i'm an intel user
[23:33] <wilhart> u have to run nvidia-settings and there choose vsync to monitor2
[23:34] <wilhart> but wheni fiddle around while watching i get tearing :P
[23:34] <wilhart> sad
[23:35] <wilhart> i think they have fixed that in some ways but dunno
[23:35] <wilhart> .. would like new nvidia drivers
[23:35] <wilhart> is there any beta nvidia drivers?
[23:35] <level1> so, yeah, my adapter is not finding any wireless networks, what do i do?  I just bought the thing, and the compatability lists said it was good.
[23:35] <wilhart> maco, btw what do you think about backports?
[23:35] <maco> what about them?
[23:36] <wilhart> maco, what does it install?? beta software?
[23:36] <maco> i suppose i should start trying to contribute to them... i wonder how i get backports upload rights...
[23:36] <maco> nah, just newer releases
[23:36] <maco> so if you're on 10.04 and you want the version thats in 10.10 you can request it
[23:36] <wilhart> maco, and i should enable it with kpackagemanger?
[23:36] <maco> and then someone will package it
[23:36] <maco> well they aren't very well-maintained
[23:36] <maco> once a package is backported, it may not get anymore bugfix or security updates
[23:37] <wilhart> maco, what is best way to add it to repos?
[23:37] <maco> (while the version actually in the regular repos will)
[23:40] <Poyntz> knetwork manager wont connect to wireless. pls help
[23:41] <Poyntz> it was working last night..
[23:42] <wilhart> maco, that backports is empty
[23:42] <wilhart> maco, nothin to upgrade :D
[23:44] <maco> wilhart: are you on 10.10?
[23:44] <maco> given very little's gone into 11.04 yet itd be surprising if anything was backported
[23:45] <wilhart> maco, ye
[23:45] <Poyntz> i click on my wireless network, then it says "activating"... but drops out after.a minute
[23:47] <kyubutsu> Poyntz: restart the service
[23:49] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: activating..
[23:49] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: dropped out again
[23:50] <kyubutsu> have had numerous times where my wifi craps out. i try restarting the service by deactivating it for a minute by clicking on knetwork icon and unchecking corresponding entry placed on the lower right corner
[23:52] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: doing that now
[23:52] <kyubutsu> then check it back on, and see you can do a network scan
[23:53] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: it definitely comes up with my network
[23:54] <kyubutsu> you sure of having the right credentials for it
[23:54] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: activating...
[23:54] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: dropped out agaim
[23:55] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: it tells me im getting an 80 percent signal from my wifi
[23:56] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: but still keeps failing.. weirdly yesterday i tried turning off and on my router n it fixed it
[23:57] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: tried numerous times today but didnt work
[23:57] <Poyntz> should i download wicd? reinstall knetworkmanager ?
[23:58] <wilhart> any nice programs for kubuntu
[23:58] <kyubutsu> right, thats the course of action i take, i just keep trying and eventually lets me in..  lately i havent had issues though
[23:59] <kyubutsu> about wicd or any other method .. thats on you.. i like knetwork manager [specially when it works ]
[23:59] <Poyntz> kyubutsu: i do too.. its just not working :/