[06:48] <apachelogger> valorie: some tv device thing google is giving away to lucky people
[06:53] <valorie> right, I guessed that
[06:53] <valorie> anyway, offer's open if you change your mind
[08:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you think the kolab blog post is good for publishing
[08:29] <apachelogger> if the ubuntu wiki was any slower it would qualify as dead
[08:30] <apachelogger> Internal Server Error
[08:30] <apachelogger> FTW!
[08:32] <valorie> apachelogger broke it!
[08:33] <Tm_T> sooon!
[08:34] <apachelogger> yuhh
[08:34] <apachelogger> someone needs to learn moinmoin markup
[08:34] <apachelogger> community section of the october report is all messed up
[08:34] <valorie> I couldn't get the photo to show
[08:34] <valorie> it was probably me who messed it up
[08:35]  * apachelogger made it a link instead
[08:35] <valorie> however, I followed the hints at the bottom of the page....
[08:35] <valorie> danke
[08:35] <apachelogger> ulysses: time for report advertising I think
[08:37] <Tm_T> moinmoin really hurts my brain, I even would rather use tikiwiki
[08:42]  * apachelogger likes twiki
[08:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: any objections to carry out switch to raster via the envrionment variable, rather than at build time
[08:43] <apachelogger> saves us from rebuilding Qt for no good reason
[08:44] <apachelogger> if we decide to ship with raster we can of course move to buildtime config
[08:58] <hrw> hi
[08:58] <hrw> apachelogger: what is a status of your kubuntu-one ppa for natty?
[09:16] <lucidfox> Where do I file QtWebKit bugs? qt4-x11?
[09:17] <lucidfox> ah right, qtwebkit-source
[09:25] <apachelogger> hrw: bug 375145
[09:25] <hrw> thx
[09:51]  * apachelogger hugs markey super tight
[09:51] <markey> oi
[09:51] <markey> what's that for? :)
[09:52] <apachelogger> speaking up for kubuntu on kdemu 
[09:55] <valorie> sounds like you had fun on there, markey
[09:56] <markey> apachelogger: the old episode from 2 weeks ago?
[09:56] <markey> or the new one?
[09:56] <apachelogger> old one
[09:57]  * apachelogger was kinda busy for half a year with UDS :P
[09:57] <valorie> half a year, lol
[10:01] <valorie> I'm listening to old ones -- just about to hear apachelogger and fregl
[10:01] <valorie> and fluffy!
[10:03] <apachelogger> oh noes
[10:03] <apachelogger> ah
[10:03] <apachelogger> the intarwebs is horrible
[10:04] <valorie> I listened to it before, but didn't know anything about KDEMU at the time
[10:04] <valorie> how much alcohol was involved in that recording?
[10:05] <apachelogger> a couple of days
[10:05] <apachelogger> of beer
[10:05] <apachelogger> if that makes any sense ^^
[10:05] <valorie> lol
[10:05] <valorie> you were still able to speak
[10:05] <valorie> lol
[10:07] <apachelogger> unity unity unity
[10:08] <Tm_T> Yu'naity
[10:13] <valorie> antidisestablishmentarianism
[10:13]  * apachelogger just fell over
[10:14] <valorie> it's just the opposite of unity
[10:14] <valorie> British version
[10:30] <apachelogger> unicorn is supreme anyway
[10:38] <hrw> I am starting to hate akonadi
[10:38] <hrw> kontact(28086)/libakonadi Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name" 
[10:38] <hrw> and kontact is frozen
[10:38] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[10:39] <hrw> sure
[10:40] <hrw> btw - why kde4 depends so much on nepomuk?
[10:41] <hrw> was not nepomuk only used to index files?
[10:46] <saidinesh5> hrw: dolphin uses nepomuk, akonadi uses nepomuk, digikam uses nepomuk
[10:46] <saidinesh5> so it is not just data from files
[10:47] <hrw> but what for they use it?
[10:48] <hrw> and how useful it is without having Strigi running
[10:49] <hrw> cause I prefer to not have daemon which will try to index 2TB of data
[10:49] <saidinesh5> hehe, even i started reading about nepomuk just 2 days ago
[10:49] <saidinesh5> you can turn it off
[10:49] <saidinesh5> though
[10:49] <saidinesh5> http://latm.aihub.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/NEPOMUK-introduction.pdf
[10:49] <saidinesh5> here an interesting intro to nepomuk
[10:50] <hrw> thx
[10:50] <ulysses> I like this error message: „dolphin(2369): couldn't create slave: "Unable to create io-slave: error loading kio_upnp_ms”
[10:51] <hrw> I love "glibc detected" messages
[10:52] <ulysses> any idea how to debug a KIOslave?
[10:58] <agateau> hrw: nepomuk is still useful without strigi: you can access the metainfo you added yourself (keywords, comments, rating...)
[11:02] <hrw> agateau: ok. may be useful one day when dolphin will just work
[11:02] <hrw> ;d
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I guess an environment variable is ok for raster
[11:08] <ulysses> HUPnP sucks
[11:18] <Riddell> ulysses: what's up with it now?
[11:26] <ulysses> Riddell: I found an other installing issue in HUPnP, it does not copy the libQtSolutinos_SOAP shared librarie, so kio_iupnp_ms can't start
[11:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Probably.  I'd need to read it again to have a firm opinion.
[11:36] <Riddell> ulysses: it's ment to compile them into it's own libraries I thought
[11:49] <ulysses> Riddell: I copied the shared libraries to /usr/lib, now kio_upnp_ms fails with: http://pastebin.com/JE9mUK79
[11:54] <Riddell> ulysses: hmm, troublesome this one
[11:55] <Riddell> ulysses: I guess you need to contact the kio_upnp_ms author about that
[12:00] <ulysses> Riddell: done
[12:00] <Riddell> ulysses: I'm afraid I didn't expect this to be quite so much hassle :)
[12:19] <dantti_work> apachelogger: yes, printer-manager is in playground/base/print-manager
[12:20] <jussi> hrrr... why is arm so hard :(
[12:20] <dantti_work> apachelogger: I'm working on it these days to see if I can finish it
[12:21] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^
[12:23] <hrw> jussi: IT hits again?
[12:24] <jussi> hrw: hrm? 
[12:28] <hrw> jussi: armel ftfbs with message about IT
[12:29] <jussi> hrw: no, havent got that far yet...
[12:29] <hrw> ah
[12:29] <hrw> jussi: what you do now?
[12:31] <ulysses> Riddell: me too
[12:32] <jussi> hrw: reading :) there are so many conflicting opinions and tutorials...
[12:32] <jussi> and it doesnt help that i dont have access to certain resources
[12:49] <hrw> uf.   kdebase-workspace finish is near
[12:51] <hrw> for armel/natty I had to add implicit-it=thumb hack, compile one object with g++-4.4, drop generation of plasma-desktop documentation, edit contents of two packages due to previous step and hope that this time 'debian/rules' will finish
[13:06] <jussi> hrw: you have natty running on your nettop ?
[13:06] <jussi> or smartbook?
[13:20] <hrw> jussi: on arm/pandaboard (headless), arm/efika-mx-smartbook (xfce now cause kde4 is not yet built), amd64/desktop, amd64/laptop
[13:20] <hrw> jussi: I do not have machine with other release running
[13:21] <jussi> hrw: :D 
[13:22] <jussi> hrw: my smarttop is not actually an efika, however, I do beleive it is the same machine. (its from pegatron)
[13:22] <hrw> jussi: genesi efika mx smartbook is pegatron
[13:22] <jussi> hrw: exactly ;)
[13:23] <jussi> just mine came through pegatron, not through efika
[13:23] <jussi> ;)
[13:23] <hrw> http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook
[13:23] <jussi> mine being the smarttop though
[13:24] <Riddell> ~
[13:24] <hrw> ah right.. you asked 4h ago on #efika ;d
[13:24] <jussi> hrw: yup
[13:24] <jussi> Riddell: hi
[13:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you sent kubuntu_02_fix_digets_encoding.diff in qoauth upstream?
[13:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think that can be dropped
[13:30] <apachelogger> not even sure what it does right now
[13:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: it still looks valid
[13:31] <Riddell> there's still two .toPercentEncoding()
[13:31] <apachelogger> oh
[13:31] <apachelogger> that one
[13:31] <apachelogger> I'll look into it later on
[13:31] <apachelogger> I am in a meeting right now
[13:46] <ScottK> hrw: We know about the implicitIT business being needed.  We added it to several packages and then decided to wait for doko to get back and see about adding it back to GCC defaults (like it was in Maverick).
[13:48] <Riddell> he doesn't seem to be around
[13:51] <ScottK> No. He doesn't.
[13:52] <ScottK> Do we have an alternate, backup GCC maintainer that we could guilt into fixing this?
[13:52] <apachelogger> unity unity unity
[13:54] <hrw> ScottK: I know that, but wanted to have packages earlier. also needed something to test speed of pandaboard
[13:55] <ScottK> hrw: OK.  Just wanted to make sure you knew what we are planning.
[13:55] <ScottK> hrw: We are welcoming input on things we can do for armel to make KDE a bit lighter/faster to improve the user experience.
[13:55] <Riddell> "Uploader: Donald Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com>"  /me wonders who this Donald chap is
[13:56] <hrw> Riddell: ;D
[13:56] <hrw> ScottK: thats other reason why I am doing this ;)
[13:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Less said about him the better.  I'm just glad my parents didn't give me my grandfathers first and middle names.  His middle name was Manfred.
[13:59] <ScottK> hrw: Excellent.
[13:59] <jjesse_> we gave my son my grandfathers middle name
[14:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: qoauth sent upstream
[14:06] <ScottK> jjesse: Hopefully it was a better one than Manfred.
[14:08] <Riddell> thanks apachelogger 
[14:15] <jjesse> ScottK leander
[14:15] <ScottK> Hrrmm.
[14:15] <Sput> ScottK: what's bad about Manfred?
[14:15] <jjesse> we thought the same thing the first time we heard it
[14:15] <jjesse> but it grew on us the more we ethought about it
[14:15] <Sput> for a guy your age a more or less common name!
[14:16] <ScottK> Sput: Not where I grew up.
[14:16] <ScottK> Maybe where you live.
[14:16] <Sput> ScottK: of course only in Germany :)
[14:16] <Sput> I think "Donald" would be bad over here though
[14:16] <Sput> there's only one Donald, as far as we Germans are concerend
[14:17] <Riddell> who's that?
[14:17] <Sput> Donald Duck, of course
[14:17] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:18] <Sput> parents must be very very cruel to name a German kid Donald
[14:20]  * apachelogger knows a donald actually
[14:25] <shadeslayer> markey: i <3 new amarok interface
[14:25] <shadeslayer> valorie: ^
[14:25] <shadeslayer> now only if it had the coverflow thingy
[14:31] <ScottK> Sput: My grandfather was born in 1910, so the influence of Disney  was rather more limited at the time.
[14:31] <Riddell> it's a very common name here
[14:32] <Sput> yeah, I mean it's common in the US at least, but over here nobody except for Donald Duck is called like that
[15:07] <Quintasan> oh god
[15:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: save me!
[15:08]  * shadeslayer throws KLifeRaft to Quintasan
[15:08] <shadeslayer> what up?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> i haz the exams... so be quick
[15:09] <Quintasan> Well, it seems teachers can hear me when I'm saying "I'm going to have free time next week"
[15:09]  * Quintasan has 5 tests in upcoming two days
[15:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I mean, srsly, wtf
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: these are exams of UDS past
[15:10] <shadeslayer> the ones i got postponed to come to UDS
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you have a milestone right>
[15:10] <Quintasan> Yup
[15:11] <shadeslayer> uh.. should i buy a milestone 2?
[15:11] <Quintasan> nope
[15:11] <shadeslayer> why? :P
[15:11] <Quintasan> this crap is locked
[15:11] <shadeslayer> ohh
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apart from that fact
[15:11] <Quintasan> ie. boot loader is signed with RSA-2048 key
[15:11] <Quintasan> means no custom roms
[15:11] <shadeslayer> well...i can live without those, but what else
[15:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you want HTC G2 :P
[15:12] <shadeslayer> how much is that?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> a unlocked version
[15:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: it has crappy MotoBLUR instead of your favourite FroYo launcher
[15:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: HTC phones are always unlocked
[15:12] <shadeslayer> zomg epic
[15:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: theres also the Droid 2 Global coming out on the 11th
[15:12] <Quintasan> no, just no
[15:13] <Quintasan> all motorola android phones are locked
[15:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:13] <shadeslayer> uh
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.htc.com/in/product.aspx
[15:13] <shadeslayer> no G2 there
[15:14] <Quintasan> it's called Vision or something along these lines
[15:15] <shadeslayer> nope, no vision there as well
[15:15] <Quintasan> oh
[15:15] <Quintasan> in Europe it is HTC Desire Z
[15:16] <Quintasan> http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/overview.html
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ah i think thats available in india
[15:18] <shadeslayer> 800 MHz... a bit slow dont you think?
[15:18] <Quintasan> Who said you can't overclock it?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> epic
[15:18] <Quintasan> + Milestone 2 operates at 600 :/
[15:18] <hrw> shadeslayer: what you have now?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> hrw: you dont want to know
[15:18]  * Quintasan overclocked it to 1200 MHz
[15:18] <hrw> shadeslayer: nokia 6230i?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: milestone has a 1GHz proc
[15:19] <shadeslayer> hrw: Nokia 2600
[15:19] <shadeslayer> and before that a Nokia 1100
[15:19] <hrw> shadeslayer: nice lowend phones
[15:19] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:19]  * shadeslayer wants something really good now
[15:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Milestone operates on 550 MHz
[15:19] <hrw> I have n900 now
[15:19] <jussi> dont ever buy a milestone...
[15:20] <hrw> next probably be something with android
[15:20] <Quintasan> cause Motorola thinks this will extend the battery live
[15:20] <shadeslayer> hrw: nice phone, but itll be outdated in a few months, thats why im not buying one
[15:20] <hrw> shadeslayer: it is already
[15:20] <Quintasan> jussi: that's what I'm telling shadeslayer 
[15:20] <hrw> shadeslayer: but I paid only 250€ so...
[15:20] <rbelem> hrw, did you installed kubuntu-mobile on it?
[15:20] <hrw> rbelem: hell no1
[15:20] <hrw> rbelem: hell no!
[15:20] <rbelem> :-(
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_milestone_2-3495.php
[15:21] <hrw> rbelem: this is phone.
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Processor: 1Gh
[15:21] <ScottK> hrw: kubuntu-mobile aims to be a phone eventually.  We should have a kernel for N900 in natty.
[15:21] <hrw> rbelem: once I installed kdepim-mobile on it and decided to wait for dualcore 1GHz 1GB ram in phone 
[15:21] <ScottK> (not yet)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> zomg... it has radio!
[15:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: it is underclocked by default
[15:22] <rbelem> hrw, i manage to get kubuntu-mobile working with touchscreen and some acceleration :-)
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ah, thats new
[15:22] <Quintasan> Milestone 1 has Cortex 800Mhz
[15:22] <Quintasan> and is clocked 550
[15:22] <hrw> Quintasan: not cortex
[15:22] <hrw> Quintasan: it has TI omap3
[15:22] <Quintasan> and can be overclocked to 1200Mhz with no probs
[15:22] <hrw> cortex is family of arm cores not cpu name
[15:23] <Quintasan> hrw: oh, sorry.
[15:23]  * Quintasan thought Cortex is the name of CPU
[15:23] <hrw> Quintasan: no worry. some may think same about Willamete (or how intel pronounced it)
[15:24] <rbelem> ScottK, how should we maintain the n900 patches that do not enter the kernel mainline? maintain a ppa for the n900 kernel?
[15:25] <ScottK> rbelem: I hope to have them in the archive, but discussions are ongoing.  PPA is the fallback plan.
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: uh.. HTC HD2 ... it has custom ROMS as well
[15:27] <rbelem> ScottK, do you think mathieu could maintain a branch just with the patches for n900 that were not accepted?
[15:28] <ScottK> rbelem: Possibly.  Let's see how much we can get accepted first.
[15:28] <rbelem> cool
[15:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: HD2 can even run Kubuntu on top of it
[15:31] <Quintasan> but it costs over 9000
[15:31] <shadeslayer> 9000 what? :p
[15:31] <Quintasan> err, 2000 Polish Zloty
[15:31] <hrw> dpkg: błąd przetwarzania /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.5.3-0ubuntu1_armel.deb (--unpack): próba nadpisania "/usr/lib/liboxygenstyle.so.4.5.0", który istnieje także w pakiecie kde-window-manager 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu8
[15:31] <Quintasan> dunno how much it is in your currency
[15:31] <Quintasan> hrw: cześć
[15:32] <hrw> sorry for Polish but I think this is readable
[15:32] <hrw> hej Quintasan 
[15:32] <Quintasan> hrw: I think it would be safe to go to /var/apt/archives
[15:32] <hrw> Quintasan: I know how to handle it ;D
[15:32] <Quintasan> good
[15:33] <ScottK> Quintasan: Where are you on the Python3 stuff that you discussed with POX?
[15:33]  * hrw uses debian since 1999
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its about 500 euro
[15:33] <Quintasan> ScottK: I have applied the missing stuff he wanted me to, but I did not rebuild it yet
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: there is the HTC Desire and Desire Z, any major difference between the 2?
[15:34] <ScottK> Quintasan: OK.  I'd like to move forward on getting these changes into Natty.
[15:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: W: sip4-qt3 source: dbg-package-missing-depends python-sip4-dbg  and debian/control: Depends: python3-sip (= ${binary:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${python3:Depends}   <- any idea?
[15:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: Grab the source for pyyaml and see how I did it there.
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.htc.com/asia/press.aspx?id=146348&lang=1033 << seems Desire Z is available in India
[15:37] <Quintasan> get it if you have the moneyz!
[15:38] <shadeslayer> i should have the moniez in 2 weeks or so :P
[15:39] <hrw> shadeslayer: Z has keyboard?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> hrw: yeah, apart from that :P
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: does the the z have a 1Ghz procy or 800 MHz procy?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> choosing PC's is never this hard :/
[15:42] <hrw> shadeslayer: you need to play a bit with few android phones to know are you ok with onscreen keyboard or not
[15:42] <shadeslayer> hrw: well... ive played with a Storm
[15:42] <Quintasan> it has 800MHz CPU, but it can be overclocked up to 1600MHz
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ( hte BB Storm )
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.priceindia.net/mobile/htc/htc-desire-z-mobile-price-in-india/ << says 1Ghz
[15:42] <Quintasan> and overclocking it to 1000MHz is reported not to increase the battery usage substantially
[15:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://xda-developers.com :P
[15:42] <shadeslayer> and im torn between the Desire HD and Desire Z
[15:43] <hrw> ScottK: files conflicts should be reported to bugtracker?
[15:43] <ScottK> hrw: Yes.  Let me know the bug numbers.
[15:44] <hrw> ok
[15:51] <hrw> ScottK: bug 672618
[15:52] <Quintasan> GRR
[15:52] <Quintasan> why KDE is so unresponsive after the update :/
[15:52] <hrw> ScottK: for now I installed with --force-overwrite
[15:53] <ScottK> hrw: Thanks.
[15:53] <markey> shadeslayer: thanks man :)
[15:54] <markey> (about Amarok GUI)
[15:54] <markey> (reading up backlog)
[15:55] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:55] <markey> apachelogger: so I heard UDS was 2.5 years long?
[15:56] <markey> that explains why you suddently developed a belly again :P
[15:56] <markey> *poke apachelogger*
[15:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: where are custom roms for Desire z?
[15:57] <hrw> ScottK: also bug 672620
[15:57] <ScottK> hrw: Thanks.
[15:57] <shadeslayer> just need to checkout what the local vendor has to offer as well
[16:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: xda-developers.com :P
[16:01] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:05] <shadeslayer> uh..
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i see only official ROMS
[16:05] <shadeslayer> http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#ROMs
[16:08] <Riddell> hmm, pyqt packaginf doesn't work with python 3
[16:09] <Riddell> ScottK: we have /usr/lib/python3.2/dist-packages/PyQt4/QtCore.so  do you know why python3.2 says..
[16:09] <Riddell>     from PyQt4 import QtCore, QtGui
[16:09] <Riddell> ImportError: No module named PyQt4
[16:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: give them few days, they are working on rooting and overclocking at the moment
[16:10] <shadeslayer> cya tmmrw ....
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kewl
[16:10] <Quintasan> GRRRR
[16:10] <Quintasan> why the hell it became so slow
[16:10] <shadeslayer> whut happened?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you would probably kill the Ubuntu Team if you came to UDS :P
[16:11] <Quintasan> lol dunno
[16:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Becaue that's not the right way to do it for Python3.
[16:11] <Quintasan> My install became friggin slow after the update
[16:11] <Quintasan> it hangs every few seconds for a few seconds
[16:11] <Quintasan> hurr
[16:12] <Riddell> ooh it works if I touch /usr/lib/python3.2/dist-packages/PyQt4/__init__.py
[16:12] <ScottK> Yes, but we don't want Python3 packages in per-release directories.
[16:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: natty or maverick?
[16:13] <Quintasan> natty
[16:13] <shadeslayer> or maybe your talking about 7 ? :P
[16:13] <Quintasan> oh no
[16:13] <Quintasan> I upgraded lucid to maverick
[16:14] <shadeslayer> :>
[16:14] <Riddell> ScottK: where do you want them?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ->study
[16:14] <shadeslayer> bye for good :P
[16:14] <ScottK> Riddell: usr/lib/python3/dist-packages.
[16:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: If I get sponsorship to next UDS I'm going to bring mah axe to axe stupid changes
[16:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Us dh_python3 and it will do the magic for you.  We also want the Python3 stuff in separate binary packages.  See pyyaml for a working example.
[16:15] <ScottK> Us/Use
[16:20] <ScottK> Riddell: For python3, if the SO is build properly it embedds the python3 version number in the filename, so the directory separation isn't needed anymore.
[16:20] <ScottK> barry is available for detailed technical assistance on this.
[16:24] <dantti_work> Riddell: have you repackaged packagekit with the fix I told you? If not I'll try to fix another bug some users are suffering so that you only have to do it one time
[16:26] <Riddell> dantti_work: not yet, so go ahead
[16:57] <apachelogger> markey: indeed, that would explain that :P
[17:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: you might be more capable of answering the patching question of http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/narli-kolab-for-ubuntu-uds-heavy-stuff-edition/#comment-737
[17:03] <Riddell> it's not a single bit of code
[17:03] <Riddell> infact it's almost no code at all
[17:03] <Riddell> so there's nothing to tar
[17:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: Commented.
[17:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kolabd/2.2.4-20100624-4ubuntu1 the tarball does seem to be almost entirely configuration and templates, but srcrpm is a really inconvenient format.
[17:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[18:00] <ScottK> hrw|gone: Fixed.  Thanks for the feedback.
[18:26] <dantti_work> how can someone write an application with 8000 lines in a single file !?
[18:27]  * dantti_work wonders why py exist
[18:30] <Quintasan_Droid> Python magic
[18:31] <Quintasan_Droid> apachelogger loves it
[18:31] <apachelogger> dantti_work: it exists so that one can write a 8k app in one single file, because switching files in vi is such a pita :P
[18:32] <Quintasan_Droid> :3
[18:32] <dantti_work> apachelogger: right, and then no one can reads it
[18:32] <Quintasan_Droid> We all <3 python, don't we?
[18:32] <apachelogger> why would you, it just works
[18:32] <apachelogger> it is pyth0rn
[18:33] <dantti_work> it's like trying to create an exe
[18:33] <apachelogger> :D
[18:33] <Quintasan_Droid> Lol
[18:33] <dantti_work> I think machine code is easier to read
[18:33] <dantti_work> not counting the stupid identation idea
[18:33]  * apachelogger loves the indention
[18:34] <dantti_work> I have to read an memorize all the printer stuff code to understand just a little bit
[18:34] <apachelogger> makes copying into a python shell to try a small code segment very easy
[18:34] <apachelogger> dantti_work: how much is missing on the printer magic btw?
[18:34] <dantti_work> well { } wouldn't hurt
[18:34] <dantti_work> apachelogger: all the add-printer black magic
[18:34] <apachelogger> oh
[18:35]  * apachelogger needs to buy a printer and help
[18:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan_Droid: go find me a nice laser printer plz
[18:35] <apachelogger> monochrome if possible
[18:35] <dantti_work> I can already add printers but not all the features the py has it has
[18:35] <dantti_work> apachelogger: you don't need a printer
[18:35] <apachelogger> without printer there is no driving factor :P
[18:35] <dantti_work> most printer-manager code was written without one
[18:35] <dantti_work> you can always add fake printers
[18:36] <Quintasan_Droid> apachelogger: go and do it yourself, I'm occupied with preparing to idiotic german test :/
[18:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan_Droid: Viel Glueck und viel Spass :P
[18:36] <Quintasan_Droid> FFFFFFFUUUUUU-
[18:36] <apachelogger> we could just talk german on irc ;)
[18:37] <Quintasan_Droid> Deutsch lernen macht nicht Spass
[18:37] <apachelogger> dantti_work: I used the printer magic yesterday, seemed to work pretty well
[18:37] <apachelogger> well, except that I was printing using a cups print server with avahi sharing... 
[18:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan_Droid: s/nicht/keinen
[18:37] <dantti_work> apachelogger: well yes it works, but it's too hard to get the logic 
[18:37] <Quintasan_Droid> I see what you did there.
[18:38] <apachelogger> ^^
[18:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan_Droid: are you sure? :P
[18:38] <dantti_work> well with avahi it cups magic not py cups magic
[18:38] <apachelogger> dantti_work: divide and conquer I always say
[18:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ping
[18:46] <Riddell> what language did you test in for bug 658728 ?
[18:50] <neversfelde> Riddell: it's untranslated on a german system, but I did not upgrade for about 3 weeks 
[18:50] <Riddell> neversfelde: probably there are no translations
[18:51] <Riddell> neversfelde: you need to download language-pack-kde-de-base  edit bluetooth.po to add translations for the monolithic strings recompile and install that
[18:51] <neversfelde> Riddell: I cannot download anything, still only a mobile connection
[18:55] <Riddell> oh aye
[19:07] <neversfelde> 2 and a half month, probably I should talk to my isp ;)
[19:07] <Riddell> dantti_work: so what patch should I add to kpackagekit?  or should I still be waiting?
[19:09] <dantti_work> Riddell: there are a few kpk patches but the most important ones are in PackageKit-qt and aptcc which are not written yet
[19:09] <Riddell> dantti_work: ok so I'll wait until I hear from youo
[19:09] <dantti_work> as I'm a bit sick today I'll probably do that tomorrow
[19:09] <dantti_work> k, thanks
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pong
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Hindi
[19:40] <shadeslayer> oh ah...
[19:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Desire Z is out in europe?
[19:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: could you manually add translatins then test?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh.... busy due to exam, im going to sleep in like 15 mins :P
[19:43] <ScottK> Plenty of time for translations
[19:43] <shadeslayer> alrighty then
[19:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: stop getting distracted by IRC then!
[19:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heheh.... i was just checking out wikipedia about Shanon Theorems :P
[19:46] <ScottK> Stop getting distracted by Wikipedia then.
[19:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thats in my course 
[19:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I meant from the translations.
[19:47] <ScottK> Priorities man.
[19:48] <shadeslayer> heh .... 
[19:51] <shadeslayer> ->sleep
[19:51] <shadeslayer> cya
[19:56]  * ScottK notes that was 8 minutes.  Not 15.  Slacking.
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> Qt represent! http://imgur.com/7wROW
[19:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's that?
[19:59] <Riddell> why does Audacity have the wrong icon?
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> Ubuntu Software Center featuring 2 Qt apps in "What's New"
[19:59] <Riddell> what is Q4Wine?
[20:00] <Riddell> I wonder what's new about rekonq
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> A wine config GUI. Can do things like give wine the Qt colour scheme
[20:27] <yofel> does anyone know where the code for the keyboard layout indicator in the systray is to be found?
[20:28] <yofel> I don't know where to start looking..
[20:29] <ScottK> yofel: I'd start looking in kdebase-workspace.  Not sure if that will turn out to be right though.
[20:29] <yofel> well, thanks for the pointer anyway
[20:34] <yofel> ScottK: found it, thanks
[20:35] <ScottK> No problem.
[21:27] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194379 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[21:27] <CIA-39> The first steps of modularizing the proof-of-concept code and giving
[21:27] <CIA-39> muon-installer structure: - Make an ApplicationView class; a QTreeView that
[21:39] <trichard> hello, yawp seems to be broken again in kubuntu-updates
[21:54] <Riddell> trichard: hmm yes it'll need a rebuild if you're using 4.5.3
[21:55] <Riddell> I'll do that in a bit
[21:55] <trichard> Riddell: ok thanks
[22:19] <cypr1nus> Hello everyone. I would like to ask, how can I help with Kubuntu development. I know some C/C++ stuff, but I want to make progress in Python and use it in Kubuntu development.
[22:36] <Riddell> hi cypr1nus 
[22:36] <Riddell> the trick is to find something that annoys you and fix it
[22:36] <Riddell> the big things we want are at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[22:37] <Riddell> but there's lots of bugs to get fixed which might be a better place to start
[22:38] <cypr1nus> Riddell: ok then. I will search things there. Thank You for help.
[22:39] <Riddell> cypr1nus: but do hang around here, that's the first step
[22:39] <al> i could tell you things that annoy *me* if it helps ;)
[22:39] <ScottK> al: We want those to lure you into helping more.
[22:40] <al> damn.
[22:40] <Riddell> cypr1nus: bug 650481  might be interesting, requires some c++ coding and some python coding
[22:41] <Riddell> needs the notifications helper to get a dbus interface added to turn off the reboot notification
[22:41] <Riddell> then it needs the DistUpgrade tool to call that
[22:44] <cypr1nus> Riddell: ok then. I'll try to get some contact with bugs and fixes. I'll see how things will develop.
[22:46] <ScottK> cypr1nus: Welcome.
[22:47] <cypr1nus> ScottK: thank You, the most frightening things in all this stuff is that i don't know if i'll manage things/tasks
[22:50] <apachelogger> markey: dude
[22:51] <al> if anyone has an idea on how to further investigate bug 513666, tell me, cause that's the most annoying bug i'm affected by right now
[22:53] <yofel> hm.. screen is locked on suspend for me, it's just that often the screen isn't blacked out, but shows the desktop contents behind the password dialog (or pieces of it)
[22:53] <apachelogger> you want to poke our most favorite kwin dev I suppose, most likely that is either an issue in the driver or kwin, if it is what yofel says ^^
[22:53] <al> yea, i had that too, sometimes
[22:54] <al> but for a few months now it's not showing the password dialog at all
[22:55] <yofel> al: you do have 'Lock screen on resume' enabled right?
[22:56] <al> yofel, yea, i also checked that it changes in the config file
[22:56] <yofel> ...
[23:03] <ScottK> al: Are you using powerdevil or the screensaver kcm to control power to your display?
[23:03] <al> ScottK, that's mutually exclusive?
[23:04] <ScottK> cypr1nus: Trying and learning are all that matter now.  Even if the first try doesn't go well, there's no harm.
[23:04] <al> it's screensaver kcm then probably
[23:04] <ScottK> al: I don't know if one can have both enabled at the same time or not.
[23:04] <ScottK> Whichever you have, I'd try the other one.
[23:04] <al> ScottK, i thought powerdevil was in charge of the resume actions exclusively
[23:05] <ScottK> I think if you have screen power management enabled in powerdevil it overrides, but I'm not sure.
[23:05] <ScottK> The power and suspend/resume yes, but AIUI it doesn't necessarily control powering/unpowering  the screen.
[23:06] <cypr1nus> ScottK: ok then. I will try some things concerning bugs. I'll be in touch. Thank You for Your help.
[23:07] <ScottK> I have powerdevil managing the screen power and it's working.  I suspect it's likely an X issue of some kind.
[23:07] <ScottK> cypr1nus: You're welcome.  Thank you for showing up to help.
[23:24] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194432 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp (log message trimmed)
[23:24] <CIA-39> -Invalid files may contain an '=', so also check for a line that starts with '['
[23:24] <CIA-39> and ends with ']'. (A group entry, which all .desktop files must have) -Also,
[23:26] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194433 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[23:26] <CIA-39> Add a proxy model for our ApplicationModel capable of sorting alphabetically,
[23:26] <CIA-39> filtering by package state, and filtering by origin. We can use the alphabetic
[23:37] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194436 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationProxyModel.cpp Sort case-insensitively