[05:03] <eagles0513875> holstein: i experienced the same symptoms on lucid as well
[05:04] <holstein> have you tested the memory?
[05:04] <eagles0513875> memory is fine
[05:04] <holstein> how about the iso image?
[05:04] <eagles0513875> gonna try with alternate install
[05:04] <eagles0513875> iso is fine
[05:05] <holstein> thats interesting
[05:05] <holstein> ive installed lucid on a bunch of boxes
[05:05] <holstein> and havent had anything like that
[05:06] <eagles0513875> im installing to a 2tb hdd if that makes a world of difference
[05:06] <eagles0513875> i know for a 2 tb hdd you need gpt enabled in the kernel
[05:07] <holstein> ive never installed to a HD that size
[05:07] <holstein> so thats plausible
[05:07] <holstein> and fits in with the hardware scenario i was thinking
[05:24] <eagles0513875> holstein: what scenario
[05:25] <holstein> that its a hardware issue
[05:25] <eagles0513875> holstein: the funny thing is if i use ubuntu server it installs just fine
[05:25] <eagles0513875> or even the alternate install works just fine
[05:25] <holstein> well, not broken hardware
[05:25] <eagles0513875> so its a problem with ubiquity
[05:25] <eagles0513875> waiting for alternate cd to be burned
[05:25] <holstein> hmmm
[05:26] <holstein> what graphics card?
[05:26] <holstein> nvidia?
[05:26] <eagles0513875> nvidia 8800gt 1gb
[05:26] <holstein> do you get to a live environment?
[05:26] <eagles0513875> holstein: i get the live environment
[05:26] <holstein> who knows
[05:27] <eagles0513875> this is quite a serious issue though
[05:27] <eagles0513875> especially since drives larger then 1tb are becoming more common place
[05:28] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/613964
[05:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613964 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu) "Nvidia 8800GT - failure to initialize error ?? (affects: 1) (heat: 37)" [Undecided,New]
[05:28] <holstein> ^^ anything like that?
[05:28] <holstein> eagles0513875: im leaning more towards the graphics card
[05:29] <eagles0513875> nope nothing like that
[05:30] <holstein> still
[05:30] <holstein> thats my vote
[05:30] <eagles0513875> holstein: im trying to do a clean install
[05:30] <eagles0513875> the nvidia driver wouldnt even be installed at this point off the live cd
[05:30] <holstein> yup
[05:35] <eagles0513875> trying the alternate cd
[05:35] <eagles0513875> see if i have any better luck
[05:37] <eagles0513875> here goes nothing
[05:37] <eagles0513875> partitioning lvm atm
[05:52] <eagles0513875> holstein: :( install hung in installtion of the base system preparing usbutils 94%
[05:58] <holstein> i guess i would try another hard drive
[05:58] <holstein> and try and rule that out
[05:58] <eagles0513875> ya
[05:59] <holstein> then try a different graphics card
[05:59] <holstein> and try and rule that out
[05:59] <eagles0513875> now the graphics card could be an issue :-/
[05:59] <holstein> thats still my vote
[05:59] <holstein> i had a via chip
[05:59] <holstein> i could get to the desktop live
[05:59] <holstein> and not after install
[05:59] <eagles0513875> humm
[05:59] <holstein> i think that was back at intrepid
[06:00] <eagles0513875> ahh
[06:15] <eagles0513875> holstein: managed to get it installed
[06:15] <eagles0513875> there is somethign up with the installer
[06:16] <eagles0513875> managed to get it installed on a 500gb lvm partition on my 2tb drive
[06:36] <sosaited> I am trying to install Ubuntu 10.10 64-bit via a USB that I prepared via Unetbootin on Windows 7, but after the language selection I get an error saying can't read files from cd. How can I fix this?
[06:38] <eagles0513875> sosaited: what is the exact error its saying
[06:39] <sosaited> I don't remember exactly, but it first says reading data from Cdrom, and then it says "There was a problem reading data from cd".
[06:40] <sosaited> eagles0513875: If I try installing with frugal method, I get can't mount cdrom.
[06:40] <eagles0513875> frugal method??
[06:40] <sosaited> eagles0513875: I tried adding "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" before quiet in the menu, but that didn't fix it.
[06:40] <sosaited> eagles0513875: Install from hard drive.
[06:41] <sosaited> eagles0513875: Is there any way when the error is displayed, or before that (Language selection/keyboard selection), to open up some terminal and mount the usb as cd rom?. Or any other way I can fix this. I am using alternate cd btw
[06:42] <eagles0513875> depending on the hardware you should be able to boot directly off the usb
[06:42] <sosaited> eagles0513875: The boot works fine., But after selecting the language etc. It gives this error
[06:43] <eagles0513875> odd i havent seen that im using cd though. having other installation issues which seem to have been fixed
[06:43] <eagles0513875> sosaited: did you reformat the usb that u created teh bootable install on
[06:44] <sosaited> Yes I did. I was gong to try Universal boot iso or Multiple ISO boot from pendrive, but I guess those don't work on 1GB drives.
[06:45] <sosaited> eagles0513875: Are you familiar with why Unetbootin creates an "Install" menu and an "Install Ubuntu" Menu?.
[06:45] <eagles0513875> thats something quite new
[06:45] <eagles0513875> tbh
[06:46] <eagles0513875> sosaited: try with a bootable usb of the alternate cd
[06:46] <sosaited> eagles0513875: Actually I have been searching on internet for a few days, and this seems to be happening to a few others as well. But adding the "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" fixed it for them
[06:46] <eagles0513875> wait
[06:46] <eagles0513875> i got it
[06:46] <sosaited> eagles0513875: I already have the alternate cd
[06:46] <eagles0513875> wait
[06:47] <eagles0513875> on the unetbootin menu you should be able to specify boot parameters
[06:47] <sosaited> Yes
[06:47] <sosaited> By pressing tab
[06:47] <sosaited> eagles0513875: I did add the cdrom /try command by that
[06:47] <eagles0513875> type that in there
[06:47] <eagles0513875> and nothing
[06:47] <sosaited> I even changed the syslinux.cfg file to add that
[06:48] <eagles0513875> careful there that could be whats giving you the error
[06:48] <eagles0513875> the modifications to the syslinux.cfg
[06:48] <sosaited> eagles0513875: You mean when preparing the usb? Or when the boot menu appears
[06:48] <eagles0513875> at what point did you modify the syslinux.cfg
[06:48] <sosaited> eagles0513875: But I tried those after trying everything else
[06:49] <sosaited> eagles0513875: after I have tried adding the commands manually at boot menu, and tried the hard drive method
[06:49] <sosaited> eagles0513875: If I try to install via selecting "Install", it tries to configure dhcp and internet and then asks to select archive mirrors..
[06:50] <eagles0513875> sosaited: what connection u on
[06:50] <sosaited> It is a cdma usb modem. Will need to configure it via wvdial after install.
[06:51] <sosaited> eagles0513875: But selecting the "Install Ubuntu" option doesn't give that select mirror options.. it proceeds normally, until the cdrom error
[06:51] <eagles0513875> no chance for getting on ethernet
[06:51] <eagles0513875> ahh
[06:51] <sosaited> eagles0513875: I am afraid not.
[06:51] <eagles0513875> what if you use the alternate cd
[06:52] <sosaited> eagles0513875: I am already using alternate cd as I mentioned.
[06:52] <sosaited> eagles0513875: It is infact a laptop of my friend, and I have to support/guide her on phone.
[06:53] <sosaited> eagles0513875: When I installed 10.04 on my desktop from karmic and unetbootin, I used to get the same cdrom problem with desktop cd. I had to use the alternate one .. and manally add casper and iso stuff commands to grub
[06:53] <eagles0513875> ahh
[06:53] <eagles0513875> im not sure sosaited
[06:54] <sosaited> eagles0513875: Is there any way to pull up a command/terminal when the install begins or when that error apears?
[06:54] <sosaited> Some people have wrote pressing F6 would do it., but it didn't in this case.
[06:56] <eagles0513875> try ctrl alt f6
[06:58] <sosaited> eagles0513875: If a terminal does appear, can you tell some command that will mount the usb or the hard drive root (in case of installing from hard drive ) as the cdrom?
[06:59] <eagles0513875> for starters why are you installing of the laptop hard drive
[07:00] <sosaited> Because a cd-r is not available. (and in my personal experience the ones normall found here are so low-quality that 3 of them gave errors when I tried to install 10.04 )
[07:00] <sosaited> eagles0513875: So either installing from hard drive or usb is the only choice
[07:00] <eagles0513875> sosaited: usb or cd only choices
[07:01] <eagles0513875> are you trying to isntall kubuntu or ubuntu
[07:02] <sosaited> eagles0513875: Actually cd is not a choice right now, but might have to use it if all else fails.
[07:02] <sosaited> eagles0513875: Ubuntu
[07:02] <eagles0513875> ask in ubuntu they could probably help ya m ore then i
[07:03] <sosaited> eagles0513875: I have been trying my luck in ubuntu.. but no one seems to know what to do
[07:03] <sosaited> eagles0513875: This seems similar http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9981954&postcount=6
[07:04] <sosaited> He got it installed if he tried 10.04.
[07:05] <eagles0513875> humm
[13:55] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1377 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[13:55] <CIA-4> debian-installer: Fix Ubuntu boot splash images to use 640x480, since otherwise they often
[13:55] <CIA-4> debian-installer: end up being tiled.
[14:00] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4430 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[14:00] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.48ubuntu1,
[14:00] <CIA-4> ubiquity: base-installer 1.113ubuntu1, choose-mirror 2.35ubuntu1, clock-setup
[14:00] <CIA-4> ubiquity: 0.104ubuntu1, debian-installer-utils 1.80ubuntu1, hw-detect 1.80ubuntu1,
[14:00] <CIA-4> ubiquity: netcfg 1.56ubuntu1, partconf 1.34, partman-auto 93ubuntu1, partman-base
[14:00] <CIA-4> ubiquity: 145ubuntu1, partman-basicfilesystems 67ubuntu1, partman-basicmethods 45,
[14:00] <CIA-4> ubiquity: partman-btrfs 3, partman-ext3 60ubuntu1, partman-jfs 31,
[14:01] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4431 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.install-any): Install new files from apt-setup 1:0.48ubuntu1.
[14:02] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4432 ubiquity/debian/changelog: reorganise changelog slightly
[14:23] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4433 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.0
[14:37] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1378 ubuntu/build/README: drop duplication caused by merge
[14:52] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1379 ubuntu/build/boot/x86/ (58 files in 2 dirs): update help.xml for build/boot/x86/*.txt changes
[14:58] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1380 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu1
[16:42] <kirkland> cjwatson: hey, random question ... in the server installer, the question asking about a proxy;  could we first silently check if it appears that a proxy might be needed, before asking the question?
[16:44] <cjwatson> we do
[16:44] <cjwatson> sort of
[16:45] <cjwatson> only really regarding network configuration though.  the problem with doing more is that you ought to wait for a timeout
[17:34] <kirkland> cjwatson: hmm, okay;  so naively i was just thinking a simple wget against something fairly static, with a known value in the file (like md5sums or something)
[17:36] <ev> wget> for what it's worth, we do this already in ubiquity for determining whether you're online: http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html
[17:58] <kirkland> ev: sweet
[17:58] <kirkland> ev: i figured we have to do something along those lines for the timezone determination
[17:59] <kirkland> ev: i was just wondering if we could ride that to make a smarter guess about the proxy config
[17:59] <cjwatson> you can't rely on anything from tzsetup
[18:00] <cjwatson> in many cases it is called after mirror selection, and uses the proxy value itself
[18:01] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay;  what package do you want the server tasksel bug against?
[18:04] <cjwatson> "the server tasksel bug"?
[18:04] <cjwatson> wasn't that the one I asked you to file on tasksel? :)
[18:05] <cjwatson> we used to try to do something like what you're suggesting for the proxy.  I removed it a while back because it caused problems: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/choose-mirror/ubuntu/revision/576
[18:06] <cjwatson> if you want it back, it needs a very short timeout and I need a promise that people aren't going to harass me with bugs when the timeout is a second or two wrong for their crappy slow network. :-)
[18:07] <cjwatson> it's easier in ubiquity because the UI can update itself dynamically in response to things coming back from the network - that isn't possible with debconf
[21:05] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay, sorry, i must have missed your response about tasksel;  doing that now
[21:05] <cjwatson> np
[21:06] <cjwatson> I spent a while staring at the code diff but it didn't seem anything obvious
[21:06] <cjwatson> and the cdebconf db was as I expected
[21:08] <kirkland> cjwatson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/672755
[21:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 672755 in tasksel (Ubuntu) "ubuntu 10.10 server default install doesn't install the ubuntu-server tasksel (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:07] <cjwatson> kirkland: ta
[22:08] <kirkland> cjwatson: poke me when/if you need some testing or debugging;  happy to help
[22:09] <cjwatson> hopefully it'll show in kvm when I have a minute
[22:10] <kirkland> cjwatson: as for the proxy one, how long was the wait when people were complaining?
[22:11] <cjwatson> I don't remember, sorry
[22:11] <cjwatson> you have the code though :)
[22:11] <cjwatson> I think it needs to be under 10s, at the absolute outside, and I'm not even sure about that
[22:12]  * kirkland checks
[22:12] <kirkland> cjwatson: oh, i was thinking 2 or 3 seconds tops
[22:12] <cjwatson> I suspect that in many cases that will false-negative, but anything longer would be too annoying
[22:13] <kirkland> cjwatson: agreed;  in the false-negative case, they're no worse than they are now
[22:13] <cjwatson> if you send a branch with a 3s delay (pref cleaner than that old code from Fabio), I'd merge it
[22:13] <kirkland> cjwatson: in the true-positive case, though, we're leaps and bounds better
[22:13] <kirkland> cjwatson: k
[22:14] <cjwatson> of course, this is assuming that the proxy isn't cheaper than going direct ...
[22:14] <cjwatson> I've been in network environments like that
[22:14] <cjwatson> you got punitively charged for not going through the proxy
[22:14] <cjwatson> probably can't win 'em all, but do remember that kind of thing
[22:17] <kirkland> cjwatson: can you shed some light on "pref cleaner" ?  b/c I'm tempted to assume that the old way worked, and just add --wait=3 to that wget
[22:18] <kirkland>         asprintf(&command, "wget --wait=3 -q http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/%s/Release -O - | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2", PREFERRED_DISTRIBUTION);
[22:19] <kirkland> cjwatson: as for being cheaper, yes, I use a proxy quite often (approx) to make my installs go faster, but I always preseed those
[22:22] <kirkland> cjwatson: i guess i see
[22:22] <kirkland> cjwatson: a lot of the gorp surrounding that shouldn't really be necessary
[22:23] <kirkland> cjwatson: and i'm totally wrong about --wait
[22:23] <kirkland> cjwatson: i need --timeout=seconds
[23:04] <cjwatson> needs to be -T, busybox wget doesn't have --timeout
[23:05] <cjwatson> I don't recall about cleanliness exactly, I just remember thinking that the code was messy and I wouldn't be sorry to nuke it
[23:06] <cjwatson> I suspect the popen(blah | cut) may have offended my sensibilities
[23:06] <cjwatson> shouldn't be needed if you use ev's URL instead
[23:07] <cjwatson> I think there might even be a function in libd-i to help