[05:03] holstein: i experienced the same symptoms on lucid as well [05:04] have you tested the memory? [05:04] memory is fine [05:04] how about the iso image? [05:04] gonna try with alternate install [05:04] iso is fine [05:05] thats interesting [05:05] ive installed lucid on a bunch of boxes [05:05] and havent had anything like that [05:06] im installing to a 2tb hdd if that makes a world of difference [05:06] i know for a 2 tb hdd you need gpt enabled in the kernel [05:07] ive never installed to a HD that size [05:07] so thats plausible [05:07] and fits in with the hardware scenario i was thinking [05:24] holstein: what scenario [05:25] that its a hardware issue [05:25] holstein: the funny thing is if i use ubuntu server it installs just fine [05:25] or even the alternate install works just fine [05:25] well, not broken hardware [05:25] so its a problem with ubiquity [05:25] waiting for alternate cd to be burned [05:25] hmmm [05:26] what graphics card? [05:26] nvidia? [05:26] nvidia 8800gt 1gb [05:26] do you get to a live environment? [05:26] holstein: i get the live environment [05:26] who knows [05:27] this is quite a serious issue though [05:27] especially since drives larger then 1tb are becoming more common place [05:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/613964 [05:28] Launchpad bug 613964 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu) "Nvidia 8800GT - failure to initialize error ?? (affects: 1) (heat: 37)" [Undecided,New] [05:28] ^^ anything like that? [05:28] eagles0513875: im leaning more towards the graphics card [05:29] nope nothing like that [05:30] still [05:30] thats my vote [05:30] holstein: im trying to do a clean install [05:30] the nvidia driver wouldnt even be installed at this point off the live cd [05:30] yup [05:35] trying the alternate cd [05:35] see if i have any better luck [05:37] here goes nothing [05:37] partitioning lvm atm [05:52] holstein: :( install hung in installtion of the base system preparing usbutils 94% [05:58] i guess i would try another hard drive [05:58] and try and rule that out [05:58] ya [05:59] then try a different graphics card [05:59] and try and rule that out [05:59] now the graphics card could be an issue :-/ [05:59] thats still my vote [05:59] i had a via chip [05:59] i could get to the desktop live [05:59] and not after install [05:59] humm [05:59] i think that was back at intrepid [06:00] ahh [06:15] holstein: managed to get it installed [06:15] there is somethign up with the installer [06:16] managed to get it installed on a 500gb lvm partition on my 2tb drive [06:36] I am trying to install Ubuntu 10.10 64-bit via a USB that I prepared via Unetbootin on Windows 7, but after the language selection I get an error saying can't read files from cd. How can I fix this? [06:38] sosaited: what is the exact error its saying [06:39] I don't remember exactly, but it first says reading data from Cdrom, and then it says "There was a problem reading data from cd". [06:40] eagles0513875: If I try installing with frugal method, I get can't mount cdrom. [06:40] frugal method?? [06:40] eagles0513875: I tried adding "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" before quiet in the menu, but that didn't fix it. [06:40] eagles0513875: Install from hard drive. [06:41] eagles0513875: Is there any way when the error is displayed, or before that (Language selection/keyboard selection), to open up some terminal and mount the usb as cd rom?. Or any other way I can fix this. I am using alternate cd btw [06:42] depending on the hardware you should be able to boot directly off the usb [06:42] eagles0513875: The boot works fine., But after selecting the language etc. It gives this error [06:43] odd i havent seen that im using cd though. having other installation issues which seem to have been fixed [06:43] sosaited: did you reformat the usb that u created teh bootable install on [06:44] Yes I did. I was gong to try Universal boot iso or Multiple ISO boot from pendrive, but I guess those don't work on 1GB drives. [06:45] eagles0513875: Are you familiar with why Unetbootin creates an "Install" menu and an "Install Ubuntu" Menu?. [06:45] thats something quite new [06:45] tbh [06:46] sosaited: try with a bootable usb of the alternate cd [06:46] eagles0513875: Actually I have been searching on internet for a few days, and this seems to be happening to a few others as well. But adding the "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" fixed it for them [06:46] wait [06:46] i got it [06:46] eagles0513875: I already have the alternate cd [06:46] wait [06:47] on the unetbootin menu you should be able to specify boot parameters [06:47] Yes [06:47] By pressing tab [06:47] eagles0513875: I did add the cdrom /try command by that [06:47] type that in there [06:47] and nothing [06:47] I even changed the syslinux.cfg file to add that [06:48] careful there that could be whats giving you the error [06:48] the modifications to the syslinux.cfg [06:48] eagles0513875: You mean when preparing the usb? Or when the boot menu appears [06:48] at what point did you modify the syslinux.cfg [06:48] eagles0513875: But I tried those after trying everything else [06:49] eagles0513875: after I have tried adding the commands manually at boot menu, and tried the hard drive method [06:49] eagles0513875: If I try to install via selecting "Install", it tries to configure dhcp and internet and then asks to select archive mirrors.. [06:50] sosaited: what connection u on [06:50] It is a cdma usb modem. Will need to configure it via wvdial after install. [06:51] eagles0513875: But selecting the "Install Ubuntu" option doesn't give that select mirror options.. it proceeds normally, until the cdrom error [06:51] no chance for getting on ethernet [06:51] ahh [06:51] eagles0513875: I am afraid not. [06:51] what if you use the alternate cd [06:52] eagles0513875: I am already using alternate cd as I mentioned. [06:52] eagles0513875: It is infact a laptop of my friend, and I have to support/guide her on phone. [06:53] eagles0513875: When I installed 10.04 on my desktop from karmic and unetbootin, I used to get the same cdrom problem with desktop cd. I had to use the alternate one .. and manally add casper and iso stuff commands to grub [06:53] ahh [06:53] im not sure sosaited [06:54] eagles0513875: Is there any way to pull up a command/terminal when the install begins or when that error apears? [06:54] Some people have wrote pressing F6 would do it., but it didn't in this case. [06:56] try ctrl alt f6 [06:58] eagles0513875: If a terminal does appear, can you tell some command that will mount the usb or the hard drive root (in case of installing from hard drive ) as the cdrom? [06:59] for starters why are you installing of the laptop hard drive [07:00] Because a cd-r is not available. (and in my personal experience the ones normall found here are so low-quality that 3 of them gave errors when I tried to install 10.04 ) [07:00] eagles0513875: So either installing from hard drive or usb is the only choice [07:00] sosaited: usb or cd only choices [07:01] are you trying to isntall kubuntu or ubuntu [07:02] eagles0513875: Actually cd is not a choice right now, but might have to use it if all else fails. [07:02] eagles0513875: Ubuntu [07:02] ask in ubuntu they could probably help ya m ore then i [07:03] eagles0513875: I have been trying my luck in ubuntu.. but no one seems to know what to do [07:03] eagles0513875: This seems similar http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9981954&postcount=6 [07:04] He got it installed if he tried 10.04. [07:05] humm [13:55] debian-installer: cjwatson * r1377 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [13:55] debian-installer: Fix Ubuntu boot splash images to use 640x480, since otherwise they often [13:55] debian-installer: end up being tiled. [14:00] ubiquity: cjwatson * r4430 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) [14:00] ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.48ubuntu1, [14:00] ubiquity: base-installer 1.113ubuntu1, choose-mirror 2.35ubuntu1, clock-setup [14:00] ubiquity: 0.104ubuntu1, debian-installer-utils 1.80ubuntu1, hw-detect 1.80ubuntu1, [14:00] ubiquity: netcfg 1.56ubuntu1, partconf 1.34, partman-auto 93ubuntu1, partman-base [14:00] ubiquity: 145ubuntu1, partman-basicfilesystems 67ubuntu1, partman-basicmethods 45, [14:00] ubiquity: partman-btrfs 3, partman-ext3 60ubuntu1, partman-jfs 31, [14:01] ubiquity: cjwatson * r4431 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.install-any): Install new files from apt-setup 1:0.48ubuntu1. [14:02] ubiquity: cjwatson * r4432 ubiquity/debian/changelog: reorganise changelog slightly [14:23] ubiquity: cjwatson * r4433 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.0 [14:37] debian-installer: cjwatson * r1378 ubuntu/build/README: drop duplication caused by merge [14:52] debian-installer: cjwatson * r1379 ubuntu/build/boot/x86/ (58 files in 2 dirs): update help.xml for build/boot/x86/*.txt changes [14:58] debian-installer: cjwatson * r1380 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu1 === amichairo is now known as amichair [16:42] cjwatson: hey, random question ... in the server installer, the question asking about a proxy; could we first silently check if it appears that a proxy might be needed, before asking the question? [16:44] we do [16:44] sort of [16:45] only really regarding network configuration though. the problem with doing more is that you ought to wait for a timeout [17:34] cjwatson: hmm, okay; so naively i was just thinking a simple wget against something fairly static, with a known value in the file (like md5sums or something) [17:36] wget> for what it's worth, we do this already in ubiquity for determining whether you're online: http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html [17:58] ev: sweet [17:58] ev: i figured we have to do something along those lines for the timezone determination [17:59] ev: i was just wondering if we could ride that to make a smarter guess about the proxy config [17:59] you can't rely on anything from tzsetup [18:00] in many cases it is called after mirror selection, and uses the proxy value itself [18:01] cjwatson: okay; what package do you want the server tasksel bug against? [18:04] "the server tasksel bug"? [18:04] wasn't that the one I asked you to file on tasksel? :) [18:05] we used to try to do something like what you're suggesting for the proxy. I removed it a while back because it caused problems: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/choose-mirror/ubuntu/revision/576 [18:06] if you want it back, it needs a very short timeout and I need a promise that people aren't going to harass me with bugs when the timeout is a second or two wrong for their crappy slow network. :-) [18:07] it's easier in ubiquity because the UI can update itself dynamically in response to things coming back from the network - that isn't possible with debconf [21:05] cjwatson: okay, sorry, i must have missed your response about tasksel; doing that now [21:05] np [21:06] I spent a while staring at the code diff but it didn't seem anything obvious [21:06] and the cdebconf db was as I expected [21:08] cjwatson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/672755 [21:08] Launchpad bug 672755 in tasksel (Ubuntu) "ubuntu 10.10 server default install doesn't install the ubuntu-server tasksel (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [22:07] kirkland: ta [22:08] cjwatson: poke me when/if you need some testing or debugging; happy to help [22:09] hopefully it'll show in kvm when I have a minute [22:10] cjwatson: as for the proxy one, how long was the wait when people were complaining? [22:11] I don't remember, sorry [22:11] you have the code though :) [22:11] I think it needs to be under 10s, at the absolute outside, and I'm not even sure about that [22:12] * kirkland checks [22:12] cjwatson: oh, i was thinking 2 or 3 seconds tops [22:12] I suspect that in many cases that will false-negative, but anything longer would be too annoying [22:13] cjwatson: agreed; in the false-negative case, they're no worse than they are now [22:13] if you send a branch with a 3s delay (pref cleaner than that old code from Fabio), I'd merge it [22:13] cjwatson: in the true-positive case, though, we're leaps and bounds better [22:13] cjwatson: k [22:14] of course, this is assuming that the proxy isn't cheaper than going direct ... [22:14] I've been in network environments like that [22:14] you got punitively charged for not going through the proxy [22:14] probably can't win 'em all, but do remember that kind of thing [22:17] cjwatson: can you shed some light on "pref cleaner" ? b/c I'm tempted to assume that the old way worked, and just add --wait=3 to that wget [22:18] asprintf(&command, "wget --wait=3 -q http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/%s/Release -O - | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2", PREFERRED_DISTRIBUTION); [22:19] cjwatson: as for being cheaper, yes, I use a proxy quite often (approx) to make my installs go faster, but I always preseed those [22:22] cjwatson: i guess i see [22:22] cjwatson: a lot of the gorp surrounding that shouldn't really be necessary [22:23] cjwatson: and i'm totally wrong about --wait [22:23] cjwatson: i need --timeout=seconds [23:04] needs to be -T, busybox wget doesn't have --timeout [23:05] I don't recall about cleanliness exactly, I just remember thinking that the code was messy and I wouldn't be sorry to nuke it [23:06] I suspect the popen(blah | cut) may have offended my sensibilities [23:06] shouldn't be needed if you use ev's URL instead [23:07] I think there might even be a function in libd-i to help