| canthus13 | paultag: see this yet? http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/11/hack_the_new_xbox_kinect_and_collec.html | 00:04 |
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| paultag | hell yeah canthus13 | 00:04 |
| paultag | rocken | 00:04 |
| BiosElement | paultag, That is epic | 00:07 |
| BiosElement | Microsoft takes the apple route | 00:07 |
| BiosElement | And they admit it...and people don't seem to care >.> | 00:07 |
| BiosElement | At least apple pretends they're not doing it | 00:07 |
| deejoe_ | bah | 00:09 |
| === deejoe_ is now known as deejoe | ||
| deejoe | a pox on both their houses | 00:10 |
| deejoe | pretends they aren't doing what, BiosElement? | 00:10 |
| BiosElement | deejoe, Pretend they aren't preventing you from using your iPhone however you want. They at least hide behind "We're doing x to improve user expirence" etc. | 00:11 |
| BiosElement | Microsoft flat out says "We dun let you do what u want. Peroid." | 00:11 |
| deejoe | I don't see the difference, really. | 00:11 |
| deejoe | it isn't to *improve* the experience of what you've already bought that Apple does that, ostensibly, it's to *maintain* the user experience. | 00:12 |
| BiosElement | deejoe, The diff is apple claims it's for a good reason. Microsoft just claims they'll keep doing it | 00:12 |
| deejoe | ie, tamper-prevention. | 00:12 |
| deejoe | so, it's the same. | 00:12 |
| BiosElement | Eh nah, i Disagree. It's a tad different | 00:12 |
| deejoe | does that difference really matter to you? | 00:12 |
| BiosElement | It does. It's just my opinion but it does matter to me. Apple at least has a semi-logical arguement. Microsoft just claims they don't want you using your toy however you want | 00:13 |
| deejoe | that's not what they're saying. They're just saying they don't want people "tampering" with it. | 00:14 |
| deejoe | you're reading the rest into it. | 00:14 |
| BiosElement | No? I'm really not. I think you misunderstand me or something. :| | 00:14 |
| deejoe | Apple probably had to elaborate because of that legal case they were wrapped up. | 00:14 |
| deejoe | BiosElement: are we reading the same thing? | 00:14 |
| deejoe | the words "you" don't even appear, do they? | 00:15 |
| deejoe | the word "safeguards" does, though | 00:15 |
| deejoe | and that can as easily be read as being for the benefit of the user as anything else. | 00:15 |
| BiosElement | aka preventing me from using the device I paid for. For 'no reason'. | 00:15 |
| deejoe | s/wrapped up/wrapped up in/ | 00:15 |
| deejoe | but that's an argument based on the effects, not on the claims, and the effects for Apple and MS are the *same* | 00:16 |
| BiosElement | Effect is the same, but at least apple's pr understands people will disagree and throws 'some' arguement their way | 00:16 |
| deejoe | I mean, hell, Apple just shut down all their clone cable makers. | 00:17 |
| deejoe | Apple sings you a sweet song of bullshit, and so that warms your heart, eh? | 00:17 |
| deejoe | bah | 00:17 |
| BiosElement | I'm not an apple fan. Hell, I've ranted about them before. But I do think they're a degree better then microsoft in this particular instance. | 00:17 |
| deejoe | and I see any difference as a drop in a huge bucket | 00:18 |
| deejoe | ie, not worth defending | 00:18 |
| BiosElement | I'm just defending my opinion. I just think it's a subtle difference in how the diff companies operate. | 00:19 |
| deejoe | and, as I said, probably the result more of their attempt to block alternate firmware as anything. | 00:19 |
| deejoe | MS is approaching Apple's litigiousness, but I think they still have a way to go. | 00:19 |
| deejoe | and, FWIW, I see Apple as *worse* in this regard. | 00:19 |
| deejoe | whoah | 00:20 |
| deejoe | I wonder if that quit message is serious | 00:20 |
| Cheri703 | random note: the makers of the kinect actually shopped it to apple first | 00:35 |
| Cheri703 | that's always his quit message if I recall correctly | 00:35 |
| Cheri703 | yo homies | 01:40 |
| BiosElement | Hey Cheri703 | 01:53 |
| Cheri703 | how are you doing? | 01:54 |
| BiosElement | Cheri703, Not bad. Just got business cards printed up for Media Bridges tomorrow. | 01:56 |
| Cheri703 | very cool | 01:56 |
| Cheri703 | how si that going? | 01:56 |
| Cheri703 | *is | 01:56 |
| BiosElement | Heh, it's gonna be a mess but hopefully I won't make the loco look bad. :P | 01:56 |
| Cheri703 | :) | 01:57 |
| Cheri703 | did those case studies help at all? | 01:57 |
| BiosElement | Cheri703, Ahh yeah they were useful. Right now I'm just gonna play it by ear and am just grabbing a few nice big numbers for users and such. | 01:59 |
| Cheri703 | good good :) | 02:02 |
| BiosElement | Yeah | 02:03 |
| BiosElement | Just jotting some of these down heh | 02:04 |
| * BiosElement hunts for how many LoCo's there are | 02:05 | |
| BiosElement | Be nice if the directory listed how many there were | 02:05 |
| BiosElement | Someone do me a fav and count these up if you got a sec: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ I'm trying to hunt through other articles. >.> | 02:06 |
| Cheri703 | sure | 02:07 |
| BiosElement | Thanks Cheri703 | 02:08 |
| Cheri703 | 166 | 02:11 |
| Cheri703 | just copied them into OO spreadsheet :) | 02:12 |
| Cheri703 | makes life easier, counts them for you | 02:12 |
| BiosElement | Thanks hahaha. That's a good way to do it :P | 02:12 |
| * Cheri703 does that often | 02:12 | |
| BiosElement | Wait...we're dumping X too? Wow | 02:14 |
| canthus13 | Hrm... Teh kinect will take naked pictures of you. | 02:15 |
| Cheri703 | I'm kind of annoyed that now that I'm getting involved in ubuntu and really liking ubuntu, they're like, "oh, let's change EVERYTHING including major positive points about ubuntu" >.< | 02:17 |
| canthus13 | Me too. I'm eyeballing other distros. We'll see how it goes. | 02:18 |
| BiosElement | It may be a great idea, but it may bite em. I'll be the first to say I dnno what I'm talking about when it comes to X. :P | 02:19 |
| Cheri703 | :( I don't want to have to change distros...I might just stick with 10.04 for a while...it's just, how do I promote it to other people when I don't like the changes being made :/ | 02:19 |
| BiosElement | I'm sure someone will roll a custom version with the old system :P | 02:20 |
| canthus13 | Yeah, but the little custom versions tend to die off quickly. | 02:22 |
| BiosElement | If it turns out to be a bad idea, it'll rollback. heh | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | Linux Mint? | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | It's Ubuntu based | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | (If I remember right) | 02:22 |
| Cheri703 | I've heard bad things about mint...good things too, but...I don't know that I'd try it | 02:22 |
| BiosElement | Meh, I generally feel mint pretends it's not based on Ubuntu. Though apparently that was due to canonical bitching >.> | 02:23 |
| deejoe | mint has a debian-based version lately, too | 02:24 |
| Unit193 | I have it on some computer... but I don't use that computer much... | 02:24 |
| * Cheri703 needs another show to watch, got most of the way through the first season of SeaQuest and can't handle any more | 02:28 | |
| BiosElement | haha that didn't take long :P | 02:28 |
| Cheri703 | I watched 17 episodes | 02:28 |
| canthus13 | Cheri703: Dr. Who. | 02:29 |
| Cheri703 | hmmmmmm.....yes | 02:29 |
| canthus13 | Or Torchwood... If you don't mind seeing men make out. | 02:29 |
| Cheri703 | found a torrent of the old ones...200gb for seasons 1-26 | 02:33 |
| Cheri703 | o.O | 02:33 |
| Unit193 | you got the space? :-D | 02:34 |
| Cheri703 | . o O (ponders the 500gb external hdd that isn't often used) | 02:34 |
| canthus13 | Wow. I've got all the current episodes... | 02:38 |
| * Cheri703 likes watching a show from the very beginning | 02:39 | |
| canthus13 | You could safely start with the current rendition... (Drs. 8, 9, and 10) | 02:40 |
| Cheri703 | yeah, but that won't keep me amused for a long period of time... | 02:40 |
| Cheri703 | I pretty much have stuff on as background noise | 02:40 |
| Cheri703 | the one good thing about having cable: random stuff to have on | 02:41 |
| dmcglone1 | Hi everyone | 02:42 |
| BiosElement | Whew, Ars TEchnica really needs to start moderating comments. >.< | 04:26 |
| * BiosElement is really loving the rants about how "OMFG NO NETWORK TRANSPARENCY I DUN USE MA 1337 SSH HAXS!". Seems people forget ubuntu isn't a power user distro >.> | 04:30 | |
| nlawson | does someone have william chambers phone number? | 14:10 |
| thafreak | Morning Ohio | 15:12 |
| _bbb | hey paultag | 17:18 |
| paultag | howdy there _bbb | 17:19 |
| paultag | How goes? | 17:19 |
| _bbb | saw you were at nightown sat night | 17:19 |
| _bbb | i was at the grog | 17:19 |
| _bbb | for electric six | 17:19 |
| paultag | _bbb, dude I almost went!!!! | 17:24 |
| paultag | _bbb, my buddy was there, he's a big dude with a ginger bear. Looking stupid as hell with a cozy for his tall boy ( I'm guessing PBR ) | 17:24 |
| paultag | _bbb, well fuck! Next time you're hitting something at the grog, let me know, I love hitting up shows | 17:25 |
| * Cheri703 went to the grog shop years ago | 17:25 | |
| paultag | Cheri703, I love it | 17:25 |
| paultag | BRB, shower time for me. | 17:31 |
| thafreak | WHAT'S UP CLEVELAND | 18:10 |
| thafreak | yay, davmail is behaving better again! I can stop booting that windows pc just to run outlook! | 18:12 |
| thafreak | nm, methinks I spoke to soon... | 18:14 |
| _bbb | will do | 18:44 |
| Cheri703 | http://work.failblog.org/2010/11/08/job-lols-it-doesnt-even-need-a-firewall/ | 19:08 |
| * BiosElement survived the Media Bridges meeting ^_^ | 22:30 | |
| TheErk | yay! | 22:31 |
| BiosElement | haha, actually went pretty welll. Now another group knows wth a LoCo is >.> | 22:32 |
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