[00:04] <canthus13> paultag: see this yet?  http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/11/hack_the_new_xbox_kinect_and_collec.html
[00:04] <paultag> hell yeah canthus13
[00:04] <paultag> rocken
[00:07] <BiosElement> paultag, That is epic
[00:07] <BiosElement> Microsoft takes the apple route
[00:07] <BiosElement> And they admit it...and people don't seem to care >.>
[00:07] <BiosElement> At least apple pretends they're not doing it
[00:09] <deejoe_> bah
[00:10] <deejoe> a pox on both their houses
[00:10] <deejoe> pretends they aren't doing what, BiosElement?
[00:11] <BiosElement> deejoe, Pretend they aren't preventing you from using your iPhone however you want. They at least hide behind "We're doing x to improve user expirence" etc.
[00:11] <BiosElement> Microsoft flat out says "We dun let you do what u want. Peroid."
[00:11] <deejoe> I don't see the difference, really.
[00:12] <deejoe> it isn't to *improve* the experience of what you've already bought that Apple does that, ostensibly, it's to *maintain* the user experience.
[00:12] <BiosElement> deejoe, The diff is apple claims it's for a good reason. Microsoft just claims they'll keep doing it
[00:12] <deejoe> ie, tamper-prevention.
[00:12] <deejoe> so, it's the same.
[00:12] <BiosElement> Eh nah, i Disagree. It's a tad different
[00:12] <deejoe> does that difference really matter to you?
[00:13] <BiosElement> It does. It's just my opinion but it does matter to me. Apple at least has a semi-logical arguement. Microsoft just claims they don't want you using your toy however you want
[00:14] <deejoe> that's not what they're saying.  They're just saying they don't want people "tampering" with it.
[00:14] <deejoe> you're reading the rest into it.
[00:14] <BiosElement> No? I'm really not. I think you misunderstand me or something. :|
[00:14] <deejoe> Apple probably had to elaborate because of that legal case they were wrapped up.
[00:14] <deejoe> BiosElement: are we reading the same thing?
[00:15] <deejoe> the words "you" don't even appear, do they?
[00:15] <deejoe> the word "safeguards" does, though
[00:15] <deejoe> and that can as easily be read as being for the benefit of the user as anything else.
[00:15] <BiosElement> aka preventing me from using the device I paid for. For 'no reason'.
[00:15] <deejoe> s/wrapped up/wrapped up in/
[00:16] <deejoe> but that's an argument based on the effects, not on the claims, and the effects for Apple and MS are the *same*
[00:16] <BiosElement> Effect is the same, but at least apple's pr understands people will disagree and throws 'some' arguement their way
[00:17] <deejoe> I mean, hell, Apple just shut down all their clone cable makers.
[00:17] <deejoe> Apple sings you a sweet song of bullshit, and so that warms your heart, eh?
[00:17] <deejoe> bah
[00:17] <BiosElement> I'm not an apple fan. Hell, I've ranted about them before. But I do think they're a degree better then microsoft in this particular instance.
[00:18] <deejoe> and I see any difference as a drop in a huge bucket
[00:18] <deejoe> ie, not worth defending
[00:19] <BiosElement> I'm just defending my opinion. I just think it's a subtle difference in how the diff companies operate.
[00:19] <deejoe> and, as I said, probably the result more of their attempt to block alternate firmware as anything.
[00:19] <deejoe> MS is approaching Apple's litigiousness, but I think they still have a way to go.
[00:19] <deejoe> and, FWIW, I see Apple as *worse* in this regard.
[00:20] <deejoe> whoah
[00:20] <deejoe> I wonder if that quit message is serious
[00:35] <Cheri703> random note: the makers of the kinect actually shopped it to apple first
[00:35] <Cheri703> that's always his quit message if I recall correctly
[01:40] <Cheri703> yo homies
[01:53] <BiosElement> Hey Cheri703
[01:54] <Cheri703> how are you doing?
[01:56] <BiosElement> Cheri703, Not bad. Just got business cards printed up for Media Bridges tomorrow.
[01:56] <Cheri703> very cool
[01:56] <Cheri703> how si that going?
[01:56] <Cheri703> *is
[01:56] <BiosElement> Heh, it's gonna be a mess but hopefully I won't make the loco look bad. :P
[01:57] <Cheri703> :)
[01:57] <Cheri703> did those case studies help at all?
[01:59] <BiosElement> Cheri703, Ahh yeah they were useful. Right now I'm just gonna play it by ear and am just grabbing a few nice big numbers for users and such.
[02:02] <Cheri703> good good :)
[02:03] <BiosElement> Yeah
[02:04] <BiosElement> Just jotting some of these down heh
[02:05]  * BiosElement hunts for how many LoCo's there are
[02:05] <BiosElement> Be nice if the directory listed how many there were
[02:06] <BiosElement> Someone do me a fav and count these up if you got a sec: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ I'm trying to hunt through other articles. >.>
[02:07] <Cheri703> sure
[02:08] <BiosElement> Thanks Cheri703
[02:11] <Cheri703> 166
[02:12] <Cheri703> just copied them into OO spreadsheet :)
[02:12] <Cheri703> makes life easier, counts them for you
[02:12] <BiosElement> Thanks hahaha. That's a good way to do it :P
[02:12]  * Cheri703 does that often
[02:14] <BiosElement> Wait...we're dumping X too? Wow
[02:15] <canthus13> Hrm... Teh kinect will take naked pictures of you.
[02:17] <Cheri703> I'm kind of annoyed that now that I'm getting involved in ubuntu and really liking ubuntu, they're like, "oh, let's change EVERYTHING including major positive points about ubuntu" >.<
[02:18] <canthus13> Me too. I'm eyeballing other distros.  We'll see how it goes.
[02:19] <BiosElement> It may be a great idea, but it may bite em. I'll be the first to say I dnno what I'm talking about when it comes to X. :P
[02:19] <Cheri703> :( I don't want to have to change distros...I might just stick with 10.04 for a while...it's just, how do I promote it to other people when I don't like the changes being made :/
[02:20] <BiosElement> I'm sure someone will roll a custom version with the old system :P
[02:22] <canthus13> Yeah, but the little custom versions tend to die off quickly.
[02:22] <BiosElement> If it turns out to be a bad idea, it'll rollback. heh
[02:22] <Unit193> Linux Mint?
[02:22] <Unit193> It's Ubuntu based
[02:22] <Unit193> (If I remember right)
[02:22] <Cheri703> I've heard bad things about mint...good things too, but...I don't know that I'd try it
[02:23] <BiosElement> Meh, I generally feel mint pretends it's not based on Ubuntu. Though apparently that was due to canonical bitching >.>
[02:24] <deejoe> mint has a debian-based version lately, too
[02:24] <Unit193> I have it on some computer... but I don't use that computer much...
[02:28]  * Cheri703 needs another show to watch, got most of the way through the first season of SeaQuest and can't handle any more
[02:28] <BiosElement> haha that didn't take long :P
[02:28] <Cheri703> I watched 17 episodes
[02:29] <canthus13> Cheri703: Dr. Who.
[02:29] <Cheri703> hmmmmmm.....yes
[02:29] <canthus13> Or Torchwood... If you don't mind seeing men make out.
[02:33] <Cheri703> found a torrent of the old ones...200gb for seasons 1-26
[02:33] <Cheri703> o.O
[02:34] <Unit193> you got the space? :-D
[02:34] <Cheri703> . o O (ponders the 500gb external hdd that isn't often used)
[02:38] <canthus13> Wow. I've got all the current episodes...
[02:39]  * Cheri703 likes watching a show from the very beginning
[02:40] <canthus13> You could safely start with the current rendition... (Drs. 8, 9, and 10)
[02:40] <Cheri703> yeah, but that won't keep me amused for a long period of time...
[02:40] <Cheri703> I pretty much have stuff on as background noise
[02:41] <Cheri703> the one good thing about having cable: random stuff to have on
[02:42] <dmcglone1> Hi everyone
[04:26] <BiosElement> Whew, Ars TEchnica really needs to start moderating comments. >.<
[04:30]  * BiosElement is really loving the rants about how "OMFG NO NETWORK TRANSPARENCY I DUN USE MA 1337 SSH HAXS!". Seems people forget ubuntu isn't a power user distro >.>
[14:10] <nlawson> does someone have william chambers phone number?
[15:12] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[17:18] <_bbb> hey paultag
[17:19] <paultag> howdy there _bbb
[17:19] <paultag> How goes?
[17:19] <_bbb> saw you were at nightown sat night
[17:19] <_bbb> i was at the grog
[17:19] <_bbb> for electric six
[17:24] <paultag> _bbb, dude I almost went!!!!
[17:24] <paultag> _bbb, my buddy was there, he's a big dude with a ginger bear. Looking stupid as hell with a cozy for his tall boy ( I'm guessing PBR )
[17:25] <paultag> _bbb, well fuck! Next time you're hitting something at the grog, let me know, I love hitting up shows
[17:25]  * Cheri703 went to the grog shop years ago
[17:25] <paultag> Cheri703, I love it
[17:31] <paultag> BRB, shower time for me.
[18:10] <thafreak> WHAT'S UP CLEVELAND
[18:12] <thafreak> yay, davmail is behaving better again! I can stop booting that windows pc just to run outlook!
[18:14] <thafreak> nm, methinks I spoke to soon...
[18:44] <_bbb> will do
[19:08] <Cheri703> http://work.failblog.org/2010/11/08/job-lols-it-doesnt-even-need-a-firewall/
[22:30]  * BiosElement survived the Media Bridges meeting ^_^
[22:31] <TheErk> yay!
[22:32] <BiosElement> haha, actually went pretty welll. Now another group knows wth a LoCo is >.>