[00:04] paultag: see this yet? http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/11/hack_the_new_xbox_kinect_and_collec.html [00:04] hell yeah canthus13 [00:04] rocken [00:07] paultag, That is epic [00:07] Microsoft takes the apple route [00:07] And they admit it...and people don't seem to care >.> [00:07] At least apple pretends they're not doing it [00:09] bah === deejoe_ is now known as deejoe [00:10] a pox on both their houses [00:10] pretends they aren't doing what, BiosElement? [00:11] deejoe, Pretend they aren't preventing you from using your iPhone however you want. They at least hide behind "We're doing x to improve user expirence" etc. [00:11] Microsoft flat out says "We dun let you do what u want. Peroid." [00:11] I don't see the difference, really. [00:12] it isn't to *improve* the experience of what you've already bought that Apple does that, ostensibly, it's to *maintain* the user experience. [00:12] deejoe, The diff is apple claims it's for a good reason. Microsoft just claims they'll keep doing it [00:12] ie, tamper-prevention. [00:12] so, it's the same. [00:12] Eh nah, i Disagree. It's a tad different [00:12] does that difference really matter to you? [00:13] It does. It's just my opinion but it does matter to me. Apple at least has a semi-logical arguement. Microsoft just claims they don't want you using your toy however you want [00:14] that's not what they're saying. They're just saying they don't want people "tampering" with it. [00:14] you're reading the rest into it. [00:14] No? I'm really not. I think you misunderstand me or something. :| [00:14] Apple probably had to elaborate because of that legal case they were wrapped up. [00:14] BiosElement: are we reading the same thing? [00:15] the words "you" don't even appear, do they? [00:15] the word "safeguards" does, though [00:15] and that can as easily be read as being for the benefit of the user as anything else. [00:15] aka preventing me from using the device I paid for. For 'no reason'. [00:15] s/wrapped up/wrapped up in/ [00:16] but that's an argument based on the effects, not on the claims, and the effects for Apple and MS are the *same* [00:16] Effect is the same, but at least apple's pr understands people will disagree and throws 'some' arguement their way [00:17] I mean, hell, Apple just shut down all their clone cable makers. [00:17] Apple sings you a sweet song of bullshit, and so that warms your heart, eh? [00:17] bah [00:17] I'm not an apple fan. Hell, I've ranted about them before. But I do think they're a degree better then microsoft in this particular instance. [00:18] and I see any difference as a drop in a huge bucket [00:18] ie, not worth defending [00:19] I'm just defending my opinion. I just think it's a subtle difference in how the diff companies operate. [00:19] and, as I said, probably the result more of their attempt to block alternate firmware as anything. [00:19] MS is approaching Apple's litigiousness, but I think they still have a way to go. [00:19] and, FWIW, I see Apple as *worse* in this regard. [00:20] whoah [00:20] I wonder if that quit message is serious [00:35] random note: the makers of the kinect actually shopped it to apple first [00:35] that's always his quit message if I recall correctly [01:40] yo homies [01:53] Hey Cheri703 [01:54] how are you doing? [01:56] Cheri703, Not bad. Just got business cards printed up for Media Bridges tomorrow. [01:56] very cool [01:56] how si that going? [01:56] *is [01:56] Heh, it's gonna be a mess but hopefully I won't make the loco look bad. :P [01:57] :) [01:57] did those case studies help at all? [01:59] Cheri703, Ahh yeah they were useful. Right now I'm just gonna play it by ear and am just grabbing a few nice big numbers for users and such. [02:02] good good :) [02:03] Yeah [02:04] Just jotting some of these down heh [02:05] * BiosElement hunts for how many LoCo's there are [02:05] Be nice if the directory listed how many there were [02:06] Someone do me a fav and count these up if you got a sec: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ I'm trying to hunt through other articles. >.> [02:07] sure [02:08] Thanks Cheri703 [02:11] 166 [02:12] just copied them into OO spreadsheet :) [02:12] makes life easier, counts them for you [02:12] Thanks hahaha. That's a good way to do it :P [02:12] * Cheri703 does that often [02:14] Wait...we're dumping X too? Wow [02:15] Hrm... Teh kinect will take naked pictures of you. [02:17] I'm kind of annoyed that now that I'm getting involved in ubuntu and really liking ubuntu, they're like, "oh, let's change EVERYTHING including major positive points about ubuntu" >.< [02:18] Me too. I'm eyeballing other distros. We'll see how it goes. [02:19] It may be a great idea, but it may bite em. I'll be the first to say I dnno what I'm talking about when it comes to X. :P [02:19] :( I don't want to have to change distros...I might just stick with 10.04 for a while...it's just, how do I promote it to other people when I don't like the changes being made :/ [02:20] I'm sure someone will roll a custom version with the old system :P [02:22] Yeah, but the little custom versions tend to die off quickly. [02:22] If it turns out to be a bad idea, it'll rollback. heh [02:22] Linux Mint? [02:22] It's Ubuntu based [02:22] (If I remember right) [02:22] I've heard bad things about mint...good things too, but...I don't know that I'd try it [02:23] Meh, I generally feel mint pretends it's not based on Ubuntu. Though apparently that was due to canonical bitching >.> [02:24] mint has a debian-based version lately, too [02:24] I have it on some computer... but I don't use that computer much... [02:28] * Cheri703 needs another show to watch, got most of the way through the first season of SeaQuest and can't handle any more [02:28] haha that didn't take long :P [02:28] I watched 17 episodes [02:29] Cheri703: Dr. Who. [02:29] hmmmmmm.....yes [02:29] Or Torchwood... If you don't mind seeing men make out. [02:33] found a torrent of the old ones...200gb for seasons 1-26 [02:33] o.O [02:34] you got the space? :-D [02:34] . o O (ponders the 500gb external hdd that isn't often used) [02:38] Wow. I've got all the current episodes... [02:39] * Cheri703 likes watching a show from the very beginning [02:40] You could safely start with the current rendition... (Drs. 8, 9, and 10) [02:40] yeah, but that won't keep me amused for a long period of time... [02:40] I pretty much have stuff on as background noise [02:41] the one good thing about having cable: random stuff to have on [02:42] Hi everyone [04:26] Whew, Ars TEchnica really needs to start moderating comments. >.< [04:30] * BiosElement is really loving the rants about how "OMFG NO NETWORK TRANSPARENCY I DUN USE MA 1337 SSH HAXS!". Seems people forget ubuntu isn't a power user distro >.> [14:10] does someone have william chambers phone number? [15:12] Morning Ohio [17:18] <_bbb> hey paultag [17:19] howdy there _bbb [17:19] How goes? [17:19] <_bbb> saw you were at nightown sat night [17:19] <_bbb> i was at the grog [17:19] <_bbb> for electric six [17:24] _bbb, dude I almost went!!!! [17:24] _bbb, my buddy was there, he's a big dude with a ginger bear. Looking stupid as hell with a cozy for his tall boy ( I'm guessing PBR ) [17:25] _bbb, well fuck! Next time you're hitting something at the grog, let me know, I love hitting up shows [17:25] * Cheri703 went to the grog shop years ago [17:25] Cheri703, I love it [17:31] BRB, shower time for me. [18:10] WHAT'S UP CLEVELAND [18:12] yay, davmail is behaving better again! I can stop booting that windows pc just to run outlook! [18:14] nm, methinks I spoke to soon... [18:44] <_bbb> will do [19:08] http://work.failblog.org/2010/11/08/job-lols-it-doesnt-even-need-a-firewall/ [22:30] * BiosElement survived the Media Bridges meeting ^_^ [22:31] yay! [22:32] haha, actually went pretty welll. Now another group knows wth a LoCo is >.>