[21:35] <douglasawh-work> anybody looking for a job?  Our recruiters are bugging me about finding people
[22:32] <nickmoeck> douglasawh-work: What kind of work?
[22:33] <douglasawh-work> nickmoeck: http://careers.epic.com/ but specifically I was asked about CaTS and SS TS roles.  I don't know if they are named that on the site though. I'm looking.
[22:33] <nickmoeck> woah. didn't know you worked for Epic
[22:34] <nickmoeck> I'll take a look at the available positions. Thanks douglasawh-work
[22:34] <douglasawh-work> I believe this is the SS role but the internal vs. external role names are goofy sometimes: http://careers.epic.com/position-108
[22:34] <nickmoeck> Yeah
[22:35] <douglasawh-work> this is the one that would be on my team...well, depending on how you define that, but let's not get into technicalities: http://careers.epic.com/position-161
[22:37] <nickmoeck> Where are the positions located?
[22:47] <douglasawh-work> all of these would be in Madison
[22:47] <douglasawh-work> well, either Madison or Verona
[22:47] <douglasawh-work> SS TS is in Madison right now, but that could change
[22:48] <douglasawh-work> We have offices in Dubai and in The Netherlands but as of right now my team isn't over there and I'd bet SS TS isn't either
[22:48] <nickmoeck> Okay, thanks. Might apply for a spot. even though I dont have a BS
[22:49] <douglasawh-work> do you have a BA?
[22:49] <douglasawh-work> if you don't have a bachelors, I wouldn't waste your time
[22:49] <douglasawh-work> They are quite particular about that
[22:49] <douglasawh-work> I don't have a BS either...but I do have an MS
[22:49] <nickmoeck> Well then, I guess I won't be applying
[22:50] <douglasawh-work> yeah, it sucks.  I think they probably turn away alot of great candidates because of that, but that's the way it is
[22:51] <sgtd> real experience > diploma   any day
[22:52] <douglasawh-work> sgtd: the Epic MD-fueled world doesn't see it that way
[22:52] <douglasawh-work> generally I'd agree, but for the SS TS role there is a TON of training
[22:52] <douglasawh-work> they don't require *any* experience
[22:53] <douglasawh-work> training or brainwashing, hard to say having not gone through it
[22:53] <sgtd> i suppose the medical field would have a different mindset
[22:53] <douglasawh-work> I mean, I did a little, but my role is way, way different than anything else here because it's not customer-facing
[22:54] <sgtd> i know a guy who worked at abiomed and developed code for mechanical hearts.
[22:54] <sgtd> he had a degree
[22:54] <douglasawh-work> I suppose it'd be hard to say had I gone through it...such is the nature of brainwashing
[22:54] <sgtd> but it was way old
[22:55] <douglasawh-work> I don't think that matters.  They tend to higher young, but not always. They aren't going to turn down someone phenomal for being too old
[22:55] <douglasawh-work> also, I guess the same might be true of a degree, but unless nickmoeck has one a nobel prize, I stand by what I said. :)
[22:56] <nickmoeck> Well, I do have an associates degree
[22:56] <douglasawh-work> hmm, you could try
[22:56] <nickmoeck> and 5 years of experience with Linux
[22:56] <douglasawh-work> they are going to ask you for SAT scores and things like that
[22:56] <nickmoeck> ACT score was a 31
[22:57] <nickmoeck> Never took the SAT
[22:57] <douglasawh-work> not from the midwest == that means nothing to me
[22:57] <douglasawh-work> but it probably means something to them
[22:58] <douglasawh-work> actually, why don't you send me your resume
[22:58] <douglasawh-work> they tend to take employee recommendations pretty seriously
[22:58] <douglasawh-work> whitfield@opensourceplayground.org
[22:59] <douglasawh-work> I know the SS TS role is out, but the SysAdmin job probably has more wiggle room
[22:59] <nickmoeck> douglasawh-work: I'll think about it.  Not sure right at this moment because I'm still mulling over starting my own company.  I appreciate it though
[23:00] <nickmoeck> Plus I'd have to move to Madison, and I'm not sure I can do that right now
[23:00] <douglasawh-work> nickmoeck: where are you now?
[23:01] <nickmoeck> Milwaukee
[23:01] <douglasawh-work> yeah, that commute's not going to be pleasant...or economical