[00:07] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194441 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationProxyModel.cpp ApplicationView.cpp) Use QString's localeAwareCompare() for case-insensitive sorting.
[00:41] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194453 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (2 files in 2 dirs) SVN_SILENT: whitespace
[00:42] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194456 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) A public interface for setting ApplicationViews' internal filters
[04:05] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194478 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (7 files in 2 dirs) Fix a bug in ApplicationView where the extenders weren't drawing properly. Brings in some other stuff that I was also working on at the time I noticed the regression.
[04:06] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194479 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AvailableView.cpp AvailableView.h) svn add. An ApplicationView for showing all available apps, w/ categories.
[04:24] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194484 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/ (5 files) OPTIMIZE: Avoid a l10n reverse-lookup for package status by using the UserRoles available to us in QStandardItem to store the QApt::Package::State, and emitting this state when passing it to the PackageView
[04:26] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1194485 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/ (MuonStrings.cpp MuonStrings.h) There should never be a need to do a reverse-l10n lookup on a QApt::Package::State, so remove this function.
[07:26] <apachelogger> fregl: http://www.amazon.de/Filly-Fairy-Plüsch-Pferd-25cm/dp/B0040JRWO4/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1289287555&sr=8-9
[07:26] <apachelogger> !!!
[07:26] <apachelogger> omg
[07:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^
[07:26] <apachelogger> look!!!
[07:26] <apachelogger> oh dear
[07:26]  * apachelogger passes out and continues calculus
[07:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: !!!
[07:28] <Nightrose> OMG
[07:30] <apachelogger> uhh
[07:30] <apachelogger> december 10
[07:30] <apachelogger> daft punk with tron legacy soundtrack
[07:30] <apachelogger> sweet
[07:31] <jussi> o/
[08:21]  * jussi waves to agateau
[08:21]  * agateau waves back
[10:08] <apachelogger> !find compiz-manager
[10:08] <apachelogger> omg
[10:13] <apachelogger> anyone around?
[10:14]  * ari-tczew waves to apachelogger
[10:14] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: yo, do you have 10.10?
[10:14] <apachelogger> if so, what does `env | grep QT` return?
[10:14] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: yes
[10:15] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: nothing
[10:15] <apachelogger> :O
[10:15] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: from a kde session?
[10:15] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: gnome :P
[10:15] <apachelogger> i.e. not tty
[10:15] <apachelogger> well
[10:15] <apachelogger> that of course is useless then :P
[10:15] <apachelogger> thanks though
[10:15] <ari-tczew> np
[10:15]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose
[10:16] <Nightrose> apachelogger: at work on windows atm
[10:16] <apachelogger> hm, ok :S
[10:16] <apachelogger> how hard can it be to find a user ^^
[10:17]  * al is running 10.04
[10:17] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: maybe on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-bugs
[10:18] <apachelogger> by the time I have a output to confirm my theory I will have fix it already :P
[10:19] <apachelogger> that was very true
[10:19] <apachelogger> issue fixed
[10:19] <apachelogger> soo
[10:19] <apachelogger> ...
[10:19] <apachelogger> al: could you get me an output eitherway?
[10:20] <apachelogger> not sure whether 10.04 also has the problem
[10:20] <al> QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/home/dalbers/.kde/lib/kde4/plugins/:/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/
[10:20] <al> that's it
[10:21] <apachelogger> okthx
[10:31] <hrw> ~curse lnusertemp
[10:46] <hrw> hrw@efika:/home$ kde4-config --path exe --locate lnusertemp
[10:46] <hrw> Segmentation fault
[10:46] <hrw> auch..
[10:47] <yofel> doesn't crash here but returns '/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/lnusertemp'
[10:48] <hrw> looks like no kde4 for my armel netbook now. too many segfaults
[12:03] <Riddell> new Qt out
[12:09] <Riddell> qt creator too
[12:15]  * hrw uses qt creator directly from nokia not packages
[12:16] <hrw> maemo qt sdk support...
[12:19]  * Sput uses qt and creator directly from git, using packages :)
[12:20] <hrw> ;d
[12:21] <Riddell> I feel so superfluous :)
[13:46] <Riddell> freeflying: ubuntu-chinese-desktop accepted!
[13:48] <freeflying> Riddell, saw it, thanks, I will upload ubuntu-chinese-default-settings in couple of mins
[13:49] <Riddell> burndown chart http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/kubuntu-dev.html
[13:51] <ScottK> Riddell: I saw doko is at least around enough to be doing email.  Perhaps you could pin him down on our implicit IT question (should we set that in each package that needs it, will he put it back in GCC defaults, etc?).
[13:52] <Riddell> ScottK: I was just looking at the build logs to see the state
[13:53] <Riddell> let's ping him now
[13:53] <ScottK> OK.  Cool.
[13:53]  * ScottK hopes that cures the superfluousness.
[14:46] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: poke me at some point about loco & stuff
[15:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: for your interest http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/DoesUbuntuOneSupportKDE
[15:10] <Riddell> newly created
[15:10] <Riddell> also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/HowDoIInstallTheGNOMEUbuntuOneClientOnKubuntu
[15:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Is there any point in asking people to test it?  I thought it was known not to work.
[15:33] <Riddell> ScottK: probably not no
[15:37] <Riddell> ScottK: re #debian-qt-kde we do build qtwebkit from the same source
[15:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[15:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Can't we stop that now though?
[15:47] <Riddell> ScottK: no it's needed for qtassistant, else it uses qhtml which makes everything look rubbish
[15:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Can't we teach that to use the separate source?
[15:48] <ScottK> If we could make Qt building faster, that would be a good thing.
[15:49] <Riddell> ScottK: no, it's a circular dependency
[15:49] <ScottK> Oh. OK.
[15:49] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[15:49] <Riddell> ScottK: it might change with the qt modularisation in 4.8
[16:00]  * apachelogger is soaking wet
[16:11] <\sh> apachelogger: wet tshirt contest? ;)
[16:12] <\sh> and why do think people that installing a library, which is being used as native lib in mono apps, under /lib or /lib64 is a good idea? 
[16:12] <\sh> s/think people/people think/
[16:15] <Riddell> why do people think mono is a good idea?
[16:16] <Riddell> in a related note bug 669747 just processed
[16:18] <\sh> Riddell: because most windows devs don't know c++ ;) but they know c# and .net and when I say: no windows, but you can run your .net tool under linux with mono ;) 
[16:22] <dantti> Riddell: packagekit fixes done http://gitorious.org/packagekit/packagekit/commit/05ad4000c1110d49d1530db9a0589dd02147744b  and http://gitorious.org/packagekit/packagekit/commit/41b89ee7febac04fa241acf59097cfa8d7835087
[16:23] <dantti> Riddell: the first one is VERY very very important :P
[16:25] <maco> apachelogger: not do so well on not-falling-in as you did when we canoed with Riddell?
[16:30] <Riddell> dantti: is there a bug entry somewhere for the first one?  or a description of it?
[16:34] <dantti> Riddell: I'm not sure there is a LP bug but it's kde bug n 253930
[16:34] <dantti> Riddell: it affects some people with supposed broken mirrors, in this case I think it was medibuntu
[16:36] <Riddell> thanks dantti 
[16:37] <dantti> Riddell: np
[16:55] <debfx> apachelogger: your latest blog post contains an unprintable char (before "Dovecot") which breaks the rss feed
[16:57] <shadeslayer> debfx: works fine in my RSS news plasmod 
[16:58] <apachelogger> debfx: interesting
[16:58] <apachelogger> fix0red
[16:59] <apachelogger> thanks for the heasd up
[16:59] <apachelogger> maco: well silly weather...
[16:59] <maco> oooh you got dumped on?
[16:59] <apachelogger> \sh: nah, wet undies contest...
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/288016/ lookie
[17:04] <debfx> shadeslayer: maybe it filters the data before throwing it into the xml parser
[17:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you write widgets in QML?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> plasma widgets to be precise
[17:47] <apachelogger> in 4.6 I think
[19:18] <txwikinger> Riddell: Will Kubuntu go the wayland?
[19:18] <txwikinger> wayland-qt seems to be further ahead than wayland fo runity
[19:36] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: ping
[20:00] <apachelogger> txwikinger: a bit early to ask that question?
[20:00] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I did not say that e end up there, I am talking more about the exploring
[20:00] <apachelogger> wayland aint is not stable, aint is no working nowhere, kwin is not working with wayland, qt wayland is not stable either ....
[20:01] <apachelogger> txwikinger: nothing to explore because nothing is there ;)
[20:02] <txwikinger> Well.. Mark makes bold announcements
[20:03] <apachelogger> because he can put work force behind it ;)
[20:09] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: Compiz main dev did a video of Wayland running on his notebook
[20:10] <apachelogger> last I checked only intel driver was doing all the fancy stuff it requires
[20:10] <apachelogger> oh
[20:10] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: since you are here...
[20:10] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: <apachelogger> seems to me http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1137645 is a bit of a troublesome change...
 since it manipulates the envrionment variable everything started after kwin will also have no glib
 for example phonon
 now if phonon wants to use pulseaudio it needs to have a glib eventloop, which it does not
 hence that change breaks pulseaudio integration of phonon
 (along with disabling glib eventloops for about every other app)
[20:10] <mgraesslin> intel, radeon and nouveau should do the stuff
[20:11] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: are you sure it also changes the environment variable for other processes?
[20:12] <apachelogger> pretty much
[20:12] <apachelogger> I recompiled without that line and env does not list the var anymore and suddenly phonon works properly with pulse
[20:12] <mgraesslin> hmm
[20:14] <mgraesslin> which means that compositingprefs.cpp:line 133 is also a problem
[20:14] <mgraesslin> setenv( "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT", "1", true );
[20:14] <mgraesslin> and could explain why people say that games are running badly even if compositing is disabled
[20:15] <apachelogger> me@avatar:~$ env | grep -ri indirect
[20:15] <apachelogger> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1
[20:15] <apachelogger> seems so indeed
[20:15] <mgraesslin> not here
[20:16] <mgraesslin> I know that it is indirect rendering as my GPU does not provide direct
[20:16] <mgraesslin> same for QT_NO_GLIB
[20:17] <mgraesslin> it's not set in my env
[20:17] <apachelogger> hm
[20:20] <shadeslayer> dantti: http://www.piware.de/2010/11/ubuntu-natty-where-did-my-changelogs-go/ << apt-changelog to your rescue :>
[20:22] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: surprisingly enough it is not the case on the 10.10 cd either
[20:23] <mgraesslin> so something seems to be different on your system I conclude
[20:23] <apachelogger> :O
[20:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does the live session have an env var RUNNING_UNDER_GDM?
[20:25] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: but what would that be, I mean, since the environment is only inherited by children, kwin would have to be parent to e.g. konsole :O
[20:26] <mgraesslin> maybe some kdeinit magic going on?
[20:26] <apachelogger> still, why would only be on my system ^^
[20:26] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[20:26] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I will do some more investigation
[20:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: why are they re-inventing the wheel?
[21:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: because the wheel is redundant... we need something more efficient :P
[21:00] <shadeslayer> jussi: have you seen http://quasseldroid.lekebilen.com/ ?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> well... it isnt active... but still
[21:03] <yofel> shadeslayer: I thought more about apt-changelog <-> aptitude changelot - but I guess copying the wheel isn't bad sometimes...
[21:04] <yofel> s/changelot/changelog
[21:04] <shadeslayer> well.. it isnt bad if they can make it better 
[21:04] <shadeslayer> the key word being make it better
[21:04] <yofel> true
[21:48] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i was trying out libreoffice and it is pretty good, doesnt play well with gtk-oxygen tho 
[22:08] <shadeslayer> but it is definitely better than OOo
[22:15] <rbelem> shadeslayer, nice :-)
[22:15] <rbelem> shadeslayer, are there packages?
[22:22] <rbelem> found them :-) http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/deb/x86/
[23:27] <effie_jayx> hey guys I really wish to help out but I feel there is little to be done, you keep the helm fine. thanks for making such a great release :)
[23:28] <valorie> effie_jayx: right now is the pause of exhaustion and planning, I think
[23:28] <dantti> shadeslayer: well aptcc py-apt, aptitude synaptic they all use changelog.ubuntu.com to get changelogs
[23:28] <valorie> we're just back from release and then UDS