[00:34] <poyntz> does kubuntu 10.10 knetworkmanager wireless work fine for anyone? or is it bugged across the board?
[00:36] <maco> works for me
[00:36] <poyntz> installing wicd now.. hopefully wireless will work on it...
[00:36] <maco> i think how well NM works varies by hardware still :-/
[00:36] <poyntz> ah... i have old hardware but before the upgrade it worked fine :(
[00:41] <obs> hi there any one have problem whit the kdm login theme -?
[00:42] <obs> :) i do help me out
[00:42] <noobuntu> um... kubuntu doesnt come with java installed ? ... should i choose open jdk or sun java ?
[00:42] <obs> kde 4.5.1 kubu kdm bug did any one fix that ?
[00:50] <poyntz> if my last dist-upgrade borked wireless (it didn't completely bork (if i uninstall then reinstall knetworkmanager it fixes it for the login session), how could I fix it?
[00:52] <poyntz> i've tried installing wicd, but it doesn't work :(
[01:11] <poyntz> i removed all the junk from my /etc/network/interfaces file so knetworkmanager could rewrite the configurations..
[01:11] <jmichaelx> poyntz: what chipset does your wireless adapter use?
[01:12] <poyntz> jmichaelx: how could i find out?
[01:12] <jmichaelx> poyntz: what kind of adapter is it? usb, pci, etc?
[01:13] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i guess what i am really asking is whether or not it is a USB adapter...
[01:14] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i'm trying to find out through lshw
[01:14] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it should be fairly obvious in most cases.... do you plug it in to a usb port?
[01:14] <poyntz> jmichaelx: wireless? no
[01:15] <poyntz> jmichaelx: the question really confused me.. i don't have an external card if that's what you're asking
[01:15] <poyntz> jmichaelx: it's built in
[01:15] <jmichaelx> ok.... what is the output for 'lspci | grep Wireless'?
[01:15] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i don't have to connect anything up.. i just push a button for wireless
[01:16] <poyntz> jmichaelx: nothing
[01:16] <jmichaelx> hmm
[01:16] <poyntz> jmichaelx: forgive me
[01:16] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i typed wireless in lowcase
[01:16] <jmichaelx> ahh
[01:16] <poyntz> jmichaelx: 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[01:16] <poyntz> - that's the output
[01:16] <jmichaelx> poyntz: ok, that is what i was looking for
[01:18] <jmichaelx> poyntz: is this a laptop?
[01:18] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep
[01:18] <jmichaelx> poyntz: does it have a laptop switch?
[01:19] <poyntz> jmichaelx: switch for wireless? yes
[01:19] <jmichaelx> sorry.... does it have a switch for the wireless card?
[01:19] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep
[01:19] <jmichaelx> yea
[01:19] <jmichaelx> poyntz: is that for absolutely sure turned on?
[01:19] <poyntz> jmichaelx: absolutely sure
[01:19] <jmichaelx> ok, what is the output for 'sudo ifconfig -a'?
[01:20] <poyntz> jmichaelx: http://pastebin.com/JAa17tkd
[01:22] <jmichaelx> poyntz: what version of kubuntu and what version of kde are you using?
[01:23] <poyntz> ubuntu 10.10 / kde 4.5.1
[01:23] <jmichaelx> do you still have knetworkmanager installed?
[01:24] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep
[01:24] <jmichaelx> ok, go ahead and please remove wicd
[01:24] <poyntz> jmichaelx: done
[01:25] <jmichaelx> ok, if knetworkmanager is running, when you click om the wireless icon in the system tray, what do you see?
[01:25] <poyntz> my network
[01:26] <jmichaelx> you see your wireless network?
[01:26] <poyntz> yep
[01:26] <jmichaelx> poyntz: what type of encryption are you using?
[01:26] <jmichaelx> (just trying to gather possibly relevant info)
[01:27] <poyntz> jmichaelx: none
[01:27] <jmichaelx> hmmm
[01:27] <poyntz> jmichaelx: im using MAC address filters instead
[01:27] <jmichaelx> ok, gotcha
[01:27] <poyntz> jmichaelx: this device is on the list too :P
[01:28] <jmichaelx> have you gone through the steps of right-clicking on the wireless icon, and selecting  'Network Management Settings'?
[01:28] <poyntz> Manage Connections?
[01:28] <jmichaelx> then selecting the 'wireless' tab.... then 'add'
[01:28] <jmichaelx> ?
[01:28] <jmichaelx> yes
[01:29] <poyntz> jmichaelx: the network's already there
[01:29] <poyntz> jmichaelx: I can remove it..
[01:29] <jmichaelx> and have you set it to automatically connect?
[01:29] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep
[01:30] <jmichaelx> but then it just doesn't connect?
[01:30] <poyntz> jmichaelx: when i first start xserver n plasma the knetworkmanager icon comes up, i right click but no network
[01:31] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i have to disable wireless than reenable before anything shows
[01:31] <poyntz> jmichaelx: then when i click on it it says activating for a few mins before dropping out
[01:32] <jmichaelx> and you are disabling it with the physical switch?
[01:32] <poyntz> jmichaelx: nope. unchecking the wireless box
[01:32] <poyntz> "enable wireless"
[01:33] <jmichaelx> ahh
[01:33] <jmichaelx> and apparently you have had this card working before, with MAC address filtering?
[01:34] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep.. before the last upgrade didn't have problems
[01:35] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i have been able to get it working by uninstalling knetworkmanager and reinstalling
[01:35] <poyntz> jmichaelx: but it only works for the login session
[01:35] <poyntz> jmichaelx: next time i startup have to reinstall
[01:38] <jmichaelx> poyntz: this is a bit of a different problem than i first thought it might be.... i'm wondering if this might just be a bug in network-manager-kde
[01:38] <jmichaelx> am looking around for bug reports right now
[01:41] <jmichaelx> poyntz: btw, when you had wicd installed, were you running it at the same time as you were running network-manager-kde?
[01:45] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i installed, ran it with knetworkmanager, ran it without knetworkmanager, nothing worked
[01:45] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it isn't impossible that they could conflict in some way
[01:45] <poyntz> jmichaelx: at least knetworkmanager recognises and finds the networks around me.. wicd didn't do anything..
[01:45] <poyntz> jmichaelx: nope, because i only installed wicd today.. i've had the knetworkmanager problem for three days now..
[01:46] <jmichaelx> yes, but wicd may not have been able to work with kde-network-manager installed
[01:47] <poyntz> jmichaelx: ahh.. should I uninstall knetworkmanager, reinstall wicd and reboot?
[01:48] <obs> kde 4.5.1 kubu kdm bug did any one fix that ?
[01:49] <poyntz> obs: what's the bug?
[01:50] <poyntz> obs: i mean.. what happens? what's the problem?
[01:50] <jmichaelx> poyntz: there are a few things that may be worth trying.... one might be to upgrade your KDE SC, the other might be to remove network-manager-kde, and install gnome's network manager
[01:50] <obs> in my kde the logout notworking
[01:50] <obs> are kdm not working at all
[01:51] <poyntz> obs: I had that problem.. there were packages that were blocked.. I installed all remaining packages, rebooted and it fixed it
[01:51] <obs> is i frash kubuntu 10.10 installl and i soon i logout it frezz
[01:51] <poyntz> obs: oh.. i dunno
[01:52] <obs> doki doki
[01:52] <obs> tnx 4 nadda
[01:53] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i may have things all upsidedown here.... it looks like kubuntu is not using network-manager-kde by deafult
[01:53] <jmichaelx> default*
[01:53] <poyntz> jmichaelx: it's the only network manager i have :/
[01:53] <poyntz> jmichaelx: to my knowledge..
[01:54] <poyntz> jmichaelx: also kde sc 4.5.1 is the latest no?
[01:54] <jmichaelx> poyntz: no
[01:55] <poyntz> jmichaelx: isn't it the one that comes packaged with kubuntu 10.10
[01:55] <jmichaelx> poyntz: on my system, network-manager-kde is not installed... it almost looks like it is using gnome's network manager, but with a plasma systray widget
[01:56] <poyntz> jmichaelx: what package do you have instead?
[01:57] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i think i might be missing a few packages..
[01:57] <jmichaelx> poyntz: my system is relying on network-manager
[01:58] <jmichaelx> which is from the gnome project.... i do not have gnome installed on this machine
[01:58] <jmichaelx> this was a fresh install from a kubuntu 10.10 cd
[02:00] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it looks like kubuntu maverick is using network-manager + plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[02:00] <poyntz> jmichaelx: apparently network-manager is a package, not an app.. :S
[02:00] <poyntz> ahh
[02:00] <jmichaelx> interesting, definitely something i did not know or expect
[02:00] <yogesh_> I hv a prob wid updating my Packages! wher do i ask?
[02:01] <poyntz> jmichaelx: sudo apt-cache search knetworkmanager - what happens?
[02:01] <yogesh_> Hv googled a lot, but cudn't find d solution?
[02:02] <poyntz> jmichaelx: actually locate knetworkmanager
[02:02] <jmichaelx> poyntz: knetworkmanager is not around anymore
[02:02] <poyntz> jmichaelx: so /usr/bin/knetworkmanager isn't there?
[02:02] <jmichaelx> not a part of kde4, apparently
[02:02] <poyntz> ahh
[02:02] <maco> er yes it is...
[02:02] <jmichaelx> maco: it is not in the repos
[02:03] <maco> yes it is
[02:03] <maco> you just have teh package name wrong
[02:03] <maco> network-manager-kde
[02:03] <poyntz> so it's needed?
[02:03] <maco> in 10.10 we ship the plasmoid not knm though
[02:03] <jmichaelx> maco: we are talking specifically about knetworkmanager, not network-manager-kde.... two different things
[02:03] <poyntz> by needed i mean does plasma-widget-networkmanagement depend on it?
[02:03] <maco> they're not two different things
[02:04] <jmichaelx> maco: good grief
[02:04] <maco> network-manager-kde is the name of the package that contains /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[02:04] <poyntz> yep
[02:04] <poyntz> i just uninstalled it..
[02:04] <jmichaelx> maco: which knetworkmanager gives no output
[02:04] <maco> in 10.10 the plasmoid is what's shipped though
[02:04] <maco> in 10.04 knm is shipped
[02:04] <maco> so, depends which version of kubuntu you use
[02:05] <maco> but both exist in kde4-land
[02:05] <jmichaelx> maco: yes... we went thrugh that before you were here
[02:05] <jmichaelx> maco... there is no longer a 'knetworkmanager'.... NO /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[02:05] <poyntz> k i was missing the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package..
[02:05] <maco> but it DOES still exist
[02:05] <maco> its just not installed by default
[02:06] <maco> thats not the same thing as not existing
[02:06] <jmichaelx> if you enter 'which knetworkmanager', you will get no output
[02:06] <maco> i have it installed
[02:06] <FloodBotK2> maco: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:06] <poyntz> nothing changed when i installed it..
[02:06] <poyntz> do i have to put the widgit on the desktop?
[02:07] <jmichaelx> poyntz: no
[02:07] <jmichaelx> poyntz: the desktop widget would do the same as the systray icon
[02:07] <maco> right click the systray
[02:07] <maco> you can set what stuff goes inside it
[02:07] <maco> hit the checkbox for network management
[02:07] <poyntz> systray? you mean the package with knetworkmanagement?
[02:08] <maco> no..the systray on your panel
[02:08] <jmichaelx> maco: there is no 'knetworkmanager' in the repos... there is no 'knetworkmanager' installed on your system, if you are running maverick
[02:08] <maco> where klipper and everything goes
[02:08] <jmichaelx> poyntz: that is the system tray
[02:08] <maco> jmichaelx: a package name and a binary do NOT have to match
[02:08] <poyntz> maco: i uninstalled knetworkmanager, so there's nothing there for networks
[02:09] <maco> knetworkmanager IS in the repos. just because the package it's inside doesn't mean it's not in there!
[02:09] <maco> bah
[02:09] <maco> knetworkmanager IS in the repos. just because the package it's inside *has a different name* doesn't mean it's not in there!
[02:09] <poyntz> maco: i deleated it
[02:09] <poyntz> *uninstalled it
[02:09] <jmichaelx> maco: show me your ouput for 'which knetworkmanager'
[02:09] <poyntz> maco: should i reinstall?
[02:09] <jmichaelx> maco: knetworkmanager was obsoleted
[02:10] <maco> poyntz: you can have n-m-k or plasma-widget-nm .. either is fine
[02:10] <maco> jmichaelx: $ which knetworkmanager
[02:10] <maco> /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[02:10] <jmichaelx> maco: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[02:10] <maco> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[02:10] <maco> network-manager-kde: /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[02:10] <maco> 10.10
[02:10] <maco> the fact that there is not a *package* with the name knetworkmanger is *completely irrelevant*
[02:11] <maco> the package naming has *absolutely no effect* on the names of the files inside it
[02:11] <jmichaelx> maco: i think you are totally missing the point.... but it is useless to go on about it
[02:11] <maco> $ rmadison network-manager-kde
[02:11] <maco> network-manager-kde | 1:0.2.2-1ubuntu2 |         hardy | amd64, i386
[02:11] <maco> network-manager-kde | 1:0.7svn864988-0ubuntu8 |        jaunty | amd64, i386
[02:11] <maco> network-manager-kde | 1:0.9~svn1112085-0ubuntu4 |         lucid | amd64, i386
[02:11] <maco> network-manager-kde | 1:0.9~svn1176084-0ubuntu1 |      maverick | amd64, i386
[02:11] <FloodBotK2> maco: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:11] <maco> network-manager-kde | 1:0.9~svn1176084-0ubuntu2 |         natty | amd64, i386
[02:11] <jmichaelx> maco: quit flooding
[02:12] <maco> no, you're missing the point
[02:12] <maco> you keep claiming software is no longer in the repos just because its in a package with a name you dont expect
[02:12] <poyntz> where in the system tray is plasma-widget-networkmanagement sit by default?
[02:13] <poyntz> *does
[02:13] <jmichaelx> maco: you do not get it...... right now we DO care about the specific name.... also, i do not know about your system, but network-manager-kde is not even being installed by default in maverick
[02:13] <jmichaelx> poyntz: that is what you have been clicking on this whole time
[02:13] <maco> poyntz: right click the down arrow on the tray an dunlock widgets, then right click again and go to system tray settings
[02:13] <poyntz> jmichaelx: nope.. because i just installed it
[02:14] <maco> jmichaelx: i *know* its not installed by default. that /doesnt/ mean its not in the repos though
[02:14] <jmichaelx> poyntz: that is what i am saying
[02:14] <maco> jmichaelx: i am on an upgraded system, so i still have knm installed
[02:14] <jmichaelx> maco: i think if you had been in this convo earlier, it would have made a difference
[02:14] <jmichaelx> maco: yes, that makes sense...
[02:15] <poyntz> well i've never seen the little plasma-widget-networkmanagement icon until i installed it
[02:15] <poyntz> now i've installed, i added the widget to the panel
[02:15] <poyntz> now there's a little dot on the rh side of the panel
[02:15] <jmichaelx> poyntz: what were you clicking on earlier then, when you mentioned 'manage connections'?
[02:15] <poyntz> knetworkmanager
[02:15] <poyntz> which i uninstalled
[02:16] <poyntz> and replaced with plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[02:16] <maco> having network manager bits installed shouldnt conflict with wicd. having NM service running could though...
[02:16] <jmichaelx> yes
[02:16] <poyntz> i uninstalled it anyway.. shouldn't conflict should it?
[02:16] <jmichaelx> maco: i was surprised to see that kubuntu was using network-manager
[02:17] <jmichaelx> in maverick
[02:17] <jmichaelx> i did not know that until this evening
[02:17] <poyntz> mann.. my wireless network now doesn't show up :S
[02:17] <maco> we've used NM for...3 years i think
[02:17] <poyntz> if i click enable wireless I get nothing
[02:17] <jmichaelx> maco: 3 years?
[02:17] <maco> poyntz: does it work if you just stop the NM service and use straight iwconfig & dhclient?
[02:17] <jmichaelx> 3 years ago we were still using kde3.5
[02:17] <maco> at least 2 years, but i think coming up on 3...
[02:18] <maco> yes but all of *buntu went to NM at the same time, IIRC
[02:18] <poyntz> maco: http://pastebin.com/PqjG9rQL
[02:18] <maco> i only switched from gnome to kde 2 years ago though, so i could be off
[02:18] <jmichaelx> maco: you are off
[02:18] <jmichaelx> but it does not matter
[02:18] <maco> mm laptop battery out
[02:19] <maco> poyntz: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys   <-- or whatever
[02:19] <maco> if its wep, add in a "key foo" at the end
[02:19] <maco> then run "sudo dhclient wlan0" and see what happens
[02:19] <jmichaelx> he is using mac filtering
[02:19] <maco> well i hope the os isnt rewriting his mac incorrectly...
[02:19] <maco> anyway battery about to blink out
[02:20] <jmichaelx> maco: i was wondering if network-manager might be rewriting things
[02:20] <poyntz> maco: if i'm connected on a hardline will it still pickup wireless?
[02:20] <poyntz> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[02:21] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it should
[02:21] <poyntz> jmichaelx: doesn't look like that worked :(
[02:21] <jmichaelx> poyntz: if you enter 'ifconfig', does it show you wireless device as being associasted with a network address?
[02:21] <jmichaelx> sorry for the typos
[02:22] <poyntz> jmichaelx: nup
[02:22] <jmichaelx> ok
[02:22] <poyntz> jmichaelx: actually it does
[02:22] <jmichaelx> poyntz: is it listed as wlan0?
[02:22] <poyntz> jmichaelx: wlan0:avahi Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:13:02:cb:aa:1f   inet addr:169.254.6.188  Bcast:169.254.255.255  Mask:255.255.0.0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[02:23] <jmichaelx> poyntz: ok, that address is not a real network IP
[02:25] <jmichaelx> poyntz: sudo iwconfig wlan0  essid "your essid"
[02:26] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i think your essid should probably go in quotes
[02:26] <poyntz> jmichaelx: nothing
[02:26] <jmichaelx> poyntz: that is just one step
[02:26] <poyntz> quotes/no quotes
[02:26] <poyntz> neither worked
[02:27] <jmichaelx> that was just one step
[02:27] <poyntz> jmichaelx: can you pastebin all the maverick repos you have?
[02:27] <poyntz> want to see if i'm missing any..
[02:27] <jmichaelx> step two: sudo dhclient wlan0
[02:28] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i think you have everything installed that you need
[02:30] <poyntz> jmichaelx: well after running dhclient, still get no response from plasma-widget-networkmanagement regarding wireless..
[02:30] <jmichaelx> poyntz: well, we are more interested inwhat you are seeing in the command line
[02:31] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it is possible that network-manger is interfering with what we are doing in the command line, though
[02:32] <poyntz> jmichaelx: is releasing the device MAC id on here a security vulnerability?
[02:32] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i doubt it, but i would suggest not doing that
[02:33] <poyntz> jmichaelx: No DHCPOFFERS received.
[02:33] <poyntz> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[02:33] <jmichaelx> poyntz: that was what you got from the terminal, huh?
[02:33] <jmichaelx> :-(
[02:34] <poyntz> yep
[02:34] <jmichaelx> poyntz: did you install network-manager-kde on top of everything else?
[02:34] <poyntz> nope
[02:34] <jmichaelx> ok, good
[02:35] <poyntz> jmichaelx: should i reboot?
[02:37] <reimy> hi,i'm new in ubuntu..
[02:37] <jmichaelx> poyntz: are you in this channel using the laptop we are dealing with right now?
[02:37] <reimy> nope,i'm using my desktop
[02:38] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep
[02:38] <jmichaelx> hmmm
[02:39] <poyntz> jmichaelx: im just on a hardline
[02:39] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i sort of think we could get you connected using the command line, if we killed network-manager... but that would also kill your wired connection
[02:40] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i'll reboot and see what happens..
[02:44] <poyntz> jmichaelx: well wicd works..
[02:44] <jmichaelx> poyntz: ok, i thought you had removed it
[02:44] <poyntz> jmichaelx: me too.. apparently not
[02:45] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i'll try again and reboot?
[02:45] <jmichaelx> well.... do you have the wicd icon on your screen right now?
[02:45] <poyntz> yep
[02:45] <jmichaelx> and it shows your network?
[02:45] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep
[02:46] <jmichaelx> does it let you connect?
[02:46] <poyntz> jmichaelx: yep
[02:46] <poyntz> jmichaelx: lol, just removed it.. and i'm still surfing on wireless
[02:46] <poyntz> jmichaelx: probably have to reboot to uninstall properly
[02:46] <poyntz> jmichaelx: it's one way around.. i'd rather use a kde program if possible
[02:47] <jmichaelx> poyntz: ok, then you may want to just remove 'network-manager' and 'plasma-widget-networkmanager'
[02:47] <poyntz> jmichaelx: but after removing knetworking manager no networks even show in the widget
[02:47] <poyntz> jmichaelx: there was no conflict.. wicd works anyway
[02:47] <jmichaelx> poyntz: lol, i am totally confused right now on what you have installed, and what you do not ahve installed
[02:47] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i've uninstalled wicd-*
[02:48] <jmichaelx> poyntz: but it may be that wicd will work for you and network-manager will not
[02:48] <poyntz> jmichaelx: sudo apt-get remove wicd wicd-*
[02:48] <poyntz> jmichaelx: but i'm still connected on wicd so i have to reboot..
[02:48] <poyntz> brb
[02:48] <jmichaelx> ok
[02:49] <jmichaelx> ok
[02:57] <jmichaelx> ok, poyntz, what have you got?
[02:57] <poyntz> jmichaelx: well.. wired is working off plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[02:57] <poyntz> but still no wireless..
[02:57] <poyntz> no wicd/knetworkmanagement packages installed
[02:58] <poyntz> probably means im missing some dependency somewhere..
[02:58] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i have a feeling that if you want to continue using mac filtering, you need to remove network-manager, and switch to wicd for now
[02:58] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i doubt you are missing anything, honestly
[02:59] <jmichaelx> poyntz: if you switched to using encryption, and no mac filtering, you would probably be in business
[02:59] <poyntz> jmichaelx: it might not be the problem.. there's several networks surrounding my current location
[02:59] <poyntz> jmichaelx: knetworkmanager was picking up these networks
[02:59] <poyntz> jmichaelx: plasma-widget-networkmanagement isn't
[03:00] <jmichaelx> poyntz: ok... plasma-widget-networkmanagement is just a front-end
[03:00] <maco> jmichaelx: it occurred to me on the way home that you may have meant "obsolete" as just an english word...rather than as the technical status apt has for a package that has been removed from enabled repositories in the series
[03:00] <jmichaelx> knetworkmanager is a backend, but is not what you were using
[03:00] <jmichaelx> hi maco
[03:01] <jmichaelx> maco: well, i was mainly trying to establish what backend he was using, and saw that kde was now using network-manager.....
[03:01] <jmichaelx> maco:  i was defintely wrong in the details, but what we were after is which network management backend he was using
[03:02] <jmichaelx> maco: so ty for pointing out that knetworkmanager is a part of network-manager-kde
[03:03] <jmichaelx> maco: did you disappear again?
[03:03] <maco> plasma-widget-nm and knm are both frontends to network-manager the service (see /etc/init.d/)
[03:03] <jmichaelx> maco: exactly
[03:03] <maco> no i have a 4s lag on this connection and my client was still downloading backscroll
[03:03] <jmichaelx> ahh,
[03:04] <maco> i dont believe you can use anything *but* nm if nm is managing the interfaces
[03:04] <maco> so you have to do sudo service network-manager stop
[03:04] <jmichaelx> maco: that is what i had been getting at
[03:04] <maco> and then wicd should work
[03:04] <jmichaelx> yes
[03:04] <maco> and iwconfig would work as well
[03:04] <jmichaelx> exactly
[03:04] <jmichaelx> maco: you had missed the earlier part of our convo, i believe
[03:04] <maco> if nm is breaking on mac filter, id like to see that reproduced with nm-gnome as well
[03:05] <poyntz> what's the backend for plasma-widget-networkmanagement ?
[03:05] <maco> still the network-manager service
[03:05] <jmichaelx> maco: i thought nm-applet was just a frontend, and that changing frontends would not solve anything
[03:05] <poyntz> what package is that in?
[03:05] <maco> i've been working on GUI patches for the networkmanagement kcm, and they (kcm, knm, plasma widget) seem to all be one codebase
[03:06] <maco> jmichaelx: the guy who writes the backend writes teh gnome frontend. the kde frontends are getting a bit behind in terms of changes to how the backend works
[03:06] <jmichaelx> maco: he did verify that he could connect to his network using wicd
[03:06] <jmichaelx> maco: so the frontend could actually make some difference
[03:06] <maco> yes
[03:07] <jmichaelx> poyntz: maybe you should switch then to using nm-applet instead of the plasma widget
[03:07] <poyntz> if it's just a frontend technically the backend is the issue
[03:07] <maco> it was requested that when i finish my current patch for gsm on kde, i then go and write another to get rid of some stuff in the gsm configuration thing that could result in a perma-bricked sim (yikes) because itd been fixed in gnome and not kde
[03:07] <jmichaelx> very much yikes
[03:08] <jmichaelx> poyntz: apparently that is not entirely true
[03:08] <poyntz> i have been able to get wireless on knetworkmanager
[03:08] <poyntz> it's just sporadic when i get lucky
[03:08] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i think you are using the wrong name there
[03:08] <poyntz> and this is on kubuntu 10.10
[03:09] <poyntz> i got lucky yesterday and the day before by uninstalling, rebooting then reinstalling knetworkmanager
[03:09] <poyntz> but i shouldn't have to reinstall everytime i start up
[03:09] <jmichaelx> poyntz: you are really confusing me....
[03:09] <maco> no thats rather odd..
[03:09] <maco> poyntz: did you upgrade from 10.04?
[03:09] <poyntz> i know
[03:09] <poyntz> yep
[03:09] <jmichaelx> poyntz: when you do a fresh install of kubuntu maverick, you will not have knetworkmanager
[03:09] <maco> jmichaelx: makes perfect sense that poyntz had knm on 10.10. like me, was an upgrader
[03:10] <jmichaelx> maco: yeah, if he upgraded, now it makes sense
[03:10] <poyntz> every time i've done an upgrade i've had to tweek
[03:10] <poyntz> doing a fresh install shouldn't be necessary to fix one issue
[03:10] <jmichaelx> maco: will network-manager-kde conflict with network-manager?
[03:10] <maco> knm has kept working for me so i didnt bother removing it on upgrade
[03:10] <poyntz> it'll be some small problem we've overlooked
[03:11] <maco> cant run both frontends at once, but they both use the network-manager service
[03:11] <jmichaelx> maco: but is it possible that in the case of his mac filtering, there is a conflict?
[03:11] <maco> (well really, thats *why* you cant run both frontends at once)
[03:11] <jmichaelx> ok
[03:11] <poyntz> maco: how do i install network-manager?
[03:11] <kyubutsu> doing a fresh install is necessary when you have a borked system though..
[03:11] <maco> network-manager-gnome has nm-applet
[03:11] <poyntz> kyubutsu: like i said.. i can get wireless if i reinstall knetworkmanager..
[03:12] <poyntz> kyubutsu: knetworkmanager also recognises all wireless devices in range, just wont connect
[03:12] <poyntz> unless i reinstall it
[03:12] <jmichaelx> poyntz: there would also be the possibility of configuring a static IP in your settings, and forgetting about dhcp
[03:12] <regeya> I have kubuntu on a netbook.  I want to REMOVE the kubuntu netbook settings.  When I try to remove the kubuntu-netbook-default-settings, kubuntu-desktop is removed.  when I install kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-netbook-default-settings is automatically reinstalled.  whiskey, tango...
[03:12] <kyubutsu> in fact.. fresh install vs 4 days of fiddling around and still have the same issue..  i choose to spend 45 minutes running a fresh install
[03:12] <maco> when you try to click something, how does it respond?
[03:12] <maco> does it try to connect and fail or does it seem to ignore the click?
[03:12] <maco> if the latter, that means it has decided the connection is incorrectly configured
[03:13] <maco> (also, tail -f /var/log/syslog to see output from nm as you try things)
[03:13] <poyntz> maco: is this for me?
[03:13] <maco> poyntz: yes
[03:13] <maco> regeya: there's a different packge you can use instead of kubuntu-desktop. lemme look it up
[03:13] <maco> regeya: kde-full
[03:15] <poyntz> kubuntu-desktop from the maverick repos will install all missing packages?
[03:15] <kyubutsu> whats so important about your current system that you must keep it at all costs.. ??  upgrading is almost always more problematic than a fresh install .. and maverick has a whole set of stuff different than 10.04
[03:16] <poyntz> we'll see.. i'll reboot
[03:16] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it should give you everything that would be installed from a live cd
[03:16] <poyntz> ahh k
[03:16] <poyntz> there were a bunch of packages including network packages i was missing..
[03:16] <jmichaelx> maco: ty for educating me on a few matters
[03:16] <poyntz> i'll reboot and see how it goes
[03:17] <maco> jmichaelx: sorry i jumped in without reading far enough back
[03:17] <kyubutsu> you should've warn him of the upcoming dependency hell
[03:18] <jmichaelx> maco: one of the frequent hazards of irc support :-)
[03:18] <maco> why would there be dependency hell in reinstalling the metapackage?
[03:18] <maco> kyubutsu: we /do/ test upgrades to try to iron all this stuff out. what would be helpful is more people doing so a few weeks prior to the release
[03:18] <jmichaelx> i imagine he had the vast majority of the packages from kubuntu-desktop already installed
[03:20] <maco> actually he may have them all
[03:20] <maco> network-manager Recommends network-manager-gnome | network-manager-kde | plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[03:20] <maco> kubuntu-desktop doesnt specify which to install, just says to have one of 'em -- its just the matter of which is seeded on the cd that causes clean installs to get the plasma widget
[03:21] <kyubutsu> i just think installing/reinstalling/uninstalling etc.. was unnecessary and the advice should have been to fresh install
[03:22] <kyubutsu> i have a feeling he's still going to come back saying the issue is still there
[03:22] <jmichaelx> makes sense... i know that is the earlier kde4 days, the default network manager for kubuntu was pretty dysfunctional, and i had always remedied things by replacing kde network management packages with gnome's, and using nm-applet in kde
[03:23] <jmichaelx> kyubutsu: i think so, too.  i get the impression that somehow he is not getting a dhcp lease when he uses his network manager
[03:23] <maco> i know hidden ssid's dont work right in kde's nm frontends
[03:24] <maco> i /think/ they work in gnome
[03:24] <kyubutsu> he's wifi was open
[03:24] <poyntz> well the good news is installing kubuntu-desktop fixed all these missing dependencies..
[03:24] <poyntz> the bad news is wireless still don't work
[03:24] <jmichaelx> hidden ssid's have been problematin in gnome, too... at least in the past
[03:24] <kyubutsu> its already scary enough he's network has no security enabled
[03:24] <maco> yeah just saying about kde & gnome frontends not being *at all* at feature parity
[03:24] <jmichaelx> problematic*
[03:25] <jmichaelx> kyubutsu: he does use mac filtering
[03:25] <maco> meh mac spoofing's easy though
[03:25] <jmichaelx> it is
[03:25] <maco> it's how we get jacked into the network in computer labs at school :)
[03:25] <jmichaelx> i work at a small college that only uses mac filtering
[03:25] <jmichaelx> yep
[03:25] <maco> my school uses a vpn on wifi and mac filtering on ethernet in labs
[03:26] <poyntz> encryption is annoying for devices n stuff
[03:26] <maco> ...so we unplug the desktops from the network, plug in laptops, and spoof the stuff
[03:26] <poyntz> other devices like iphones..
[03:26] <maco> (this is how we did linux installfests :P)
[03:26] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:26] <poyntz> it's seriously a pain in the arse for my iphone.. :S
[03:26] <kyubutsu> poyntz: even ipods connect to wpa protected networks
[03:26] <poyntz> ipods?
[03:26] <jmichaelx> poyntz: your iphone should have no problem with encryption
[03:26] <poyntz> you mean ipod touch
[03:27] <poyntz> other ipods don't have wifi access
[03:27] <kyubutsu> touch it then
[03:27] <maco> my stepdad's iphone works fine with wpa...
[03:27] <poyntz> kyubutsu: it's an iphone and it has problems
[03:27] <poyntz> anyway encryption is a separate issue
[03:27] <maco> things im wondering:
[03:28] <maco> 1. does it work with nm-applet?
[03:28] <maco> 2. does it work with a kde nm thingy if you turn off the mac filtering?
[03:28] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it is a separate issue, but you would probably have no problems connecting if you were using encryption
[03:28] <kyubutsu> 3. system reinstall
[03:28] <maco> jmichaelx: tack on an "instead of mac filtering" to the end of that ;-)
[03:28] <poyntz> maco: the answer to 2 is no because no networks are being picked up at all..
[03:28] <maco> dont need an "in addition"!
[03:28] <jmichaelx> yes, i meant instead of mac filtering
[03:29] <kyubutsu> get yourself a cheap usb wifi dongle and see if that solves your mystery
[03:29] <poyntz> maco: there's three networks that are usually picked up.. two use encryption instead of mac filtering
[03:29] <jmichaelx> 4. configuring a static IP
[03:29] <kyubutsu> dhcp shouldnt give anyone a problem
[03:29] <maco> poyntz: did you ever try the iwconfig thing i suggested?
[03:30] <jmichaelx> kyubutsu: it could give a problem in this case
[03:30] <maco> i want to see if it can associate when you're doing things the manual way
[03:30] <poyntz> http://pastebin.com/WYLnq9ac
[03:30] <poyntz> maco: http://pastebin.com/WYLnq9ac
[03:30] <kyubutsu> then he'd have to set up a firewall .. more complications
[03:30] <jmichaelx> maco: i think the network manager he is using conflicts with the command line methods
[03:31] <poyntz> jmichaelx: i removed all the junk in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:31] <poyntz> jmichaelx: if that helps
[03:31] <jmichaelx> poyntz: yes, but some network managers rewrite all of that stuff
[03:32] <poyntz> what's the difference between kde-full and kubuntu-desktop?
[03:32] <jmichaelx> poyntz: you can delete or change the contents of your resolv.conf, for example, but network-manager will put it all back again
[03:33] <maco> jmichaelx: i said earlier "sudo service network-manager stop" before using iwconfig
[03:34] <poyntz> jmichaelx: ahh
[03:34] <maco> poyntz: kde-full doesnt have kubuntu's settings
[03:34] <jmichaelx> maco: i must have missed that
[03:34] <maco> poyntz: sudo service network-manager stop && sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid foo && sudo dhclient
[03:34] <maco> mm wait
[03:34] <maco> poyntz: sudo service network-manager stop && sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid foo && sleep 2 && iwconfig
[03:35] <maco> see if that shows it as Not Associated
[03:35] <maco> (obviously change foo to your essid)
[03:35] <jmichaelx> may want to put essid in quotes
[03:35] <maco> (it should show your AP's mac address instead of "Not Associated" if it succeeds in associating)
[03:35] <maco> are essids with spaces common?
[03:36] <jmichaelx> maco: i could not say... would the quotes not be needed if there are no spaces?
[03:36] <maco> right
[03:36] <jmichaelx> had not known that
[03:37] <poyntz> maco: is there any object aka $<name> that stores the output of the line before in bash?
[03:37] <maco> i dont know of one for output, no
[03:37] <maco> you could do export $FOO=$(your command here)
[03:37] <maco> and then FOO would hold the output
[03:41] <jmichaelx> this is as lively as i have seen #kubuntu in some time
[03:42] <jmichaelx> several years ago this channel was considerably more active
[03:43] <maco> #kubuntu-devel tends to be quite active...
[03:44] <KimLaRoux> what's the devel channel for?
[03:44] <jmichaelx> i should maybe hang in there a bit more often, but at present i'd be far from dev material
[03:45] <maco> KimLaRoux: developers!  talking about patches, figuring out who's going to merge which package, some upstream devs hang there and we can bug them about integration stuff..
[03:45] <Poyntz> well that borked my connection..
[03:45] <Poyntz> maco: now i cant get internet on my laptop
[03:45] <maco> its the same computer, huh?
[03:46] <jmichaelx> Poyntz: i noticed that you just kind of vanished
[03:46] <Poyntz> nope im on my iphone
[03:46] <Poyntz> jmichaelx: yaa :(
[03:46] <maco> oh, so you didnt reboot the computer then?
[03:46] <KimLaRoux> Oh, I'll stick to more user-side stuff
[03:46] <Poyntz> maco: i did
[03:46] <maco> well in that case, tell us... does it say Not Associated? or does it say the mac address?
[03:46] <Poyntz> maco: didnt work
[03:47] <Poyntz> ok just got internet back brb
[03:47] <KimLaRoux> why has the 10.04 iso been removed from ubuntu's torrent tracker?
[03:47] <maco> the point was just to see if it associated. youd still need to "sudo dhclient" afterward to get a lease ... if the associating worked
[03:47] <jmichaelx> must have killed network-manager service again :-D
[03:48] <poyntz> http://pastebin.com/cWsCTwmk
[03:48] <jmichaelx> wb poyntz
[03:48] <poyntz> maco: that's what i got
[03:48] <poyntz> jmichaelx: thnx :)
[03:48] <KimLaRoux> Oh btw, using tar to copy a working system from a drive to another works very well...
[03:48] <jmichaelx> poyntz: you ARE associated with your WAP ssid
[03:49] <poyntz> so what now?
[03:49] <maco> poyntz: oh! it associated!
[03:49] <maco> thats *good*
[03:49] <jmichaelx> dhclient
[03:49] <maco> so after that youd run "sudo dhclient" and it should get a lease
[03:49] <maco> which would mean the underlying bits are working properly
[03:49] <poyntz> keep in mind i rebooted after running that command :P
[03:50] <poyntz> maco: still getting no wireless connections
[03:50] <maco> poyntz: sudo service network-manager stop && sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid foo && sleep 2 && iwconfig    <-- it was this
[03:50] <poyntz> do it again?
[03:50] <maco> so if you did that, plus a "sudo dhclient" you should then be online
[03:50] <poyntz> ah kk
[03:50] <poyntz> trying it again now
[03:50] <maco> and if that all works, then i think its pretty conclusively nm being stupid
[03:50] <maco> because it proves the lower levels work
[03:51] <jmichaelx> and as i understand it, wicd uses the lower level tools for it's connections, which is why wicd had him online earlier
[03:51] <maco> right
[03:52] <poyntz> not sure
[03:52] <poyntz> that command killed the plasma widget
[03:52] <poyntz> but im still getting internet
[03:52] <poyntz> as for wireless..
[03:53] <jmichaelx> poyntz: it killed the backend your widget was relying on, then you connected using different tools
[03:54] <poyntz> no wireless still..
[03:54] <jmichaelx> :-(
[03:55] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i know that you wanna use the kde plasma widget and all, but honestly.... just use wicd and save yourself the hassle
[03:55] <jmichaelx> maco: would there be any chance that he might have better success if he upgraded to KDE4.5.3?
[03:56] <maco> i havent read teh changelogs on that
[03:56] <poyntz> im only on 4.5.1 atm
[03:56] <jmichaelx> guess that would be the place to start
[03:57] <poyntz> dunno how to manually upgrade kde..
[03:57] <jmichaelx> poyntz: i am not making the claim that upgrading would help.. it's just that your plasma-widget might get upgraded
[03:57] <poyntz> ah k
[03:57] <poyntz> is 4.5.3 in beta?
[03:57] <jmichaelx> poyntz: you would only need to add a ppa repo and dist-upgrade
[03:58] <jmichaelx> no, it's realease
[03:58] <poyntz> ahh k
[03:58] <jmichaelx> release*
[03:58] <poyntz> where could i find the ppa?
[03:58] <jmichaelx> poyntz: you sure you don't want to use wicd?
[03:58] <poyntz> what would you recommend?
[03:59] <jmichaelx> well, wicd did work for you
[03:59] <poyntz> i'd rather use a kde program
[03:59] <poyntz> but.. if it's gonna do more harm than good i'll use wicd
[04:00] <jmichaelx> i know you'd rather... but i think you're likely down to either switching away from mac filtering, or switching away from kde gui stuff
[04:01] <poyntz> ill use wicd
[04:01] <poyntz> thanks for the help jmichaelx maco
[04:02] <jmichaelx> for a few years i did not keep any network manager installed on my laptop,  but that got to be more and more of a pain
[04:10] <andrewh192> ok. i have a question regarding kde 4.5.3 release
[04:11] <andrewh192> i tried again after hearing that and verifying that the problems were fixed
[04:11] <andrewh192> and again, it came up with the window saying that there was going to be a bunch of stuff deleted.
[04:11] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: hearing what?
[04:12] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: that the incomplete update package had been completed
[04:12] <jmichaelx> ahh
[04:12] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: not sure how its fixed
[04:13] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: but its still not installing correctly or completely
[04:13] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: i am still on 4.5.2, but only because i would have had to remove yawp to upgrade to 4.5.3
[04:13] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: is it possible to install it though?
[04:13] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: last time i tried, it wanted to delete kdedesktop
[04:13] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: i did not do  the upgrade, so i cannot say
[04:14] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: what's yawp do?
[04:15] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: you could just enable the ppa, update, and 'sudo aptitude full-upgrade'.... it would theb tell you what it wanted to remove in order to do the upgrade, if anything
[04:15] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: yawp is just a weather/weather forecast widget
[04:16] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: ok.. is there a way to upgrade via the terminal rather than the update manager?
[04:16] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: what i was talking about was the terminal
[04:17] <andrewh192> ok
[04:28] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: added the ppa
[04:28] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: updated
[04:28] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: now, doing tthe "sudo aptitude full-upgrade"
[04:29] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: this is the ime for crossing fingers
[04:29] <iconmefisto> I've installed 10.10 on a laptop with intel graphics, but can't login with kde. after entering login/password, the kubuntu splash appears for a while, then back to kdm login screen.
[04:30] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: i have a feeling things will go well with your upgrade.... did it mention any package/dependency conflicts?
[04:30] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: no
[04:30] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: hey....
[04:31] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: sudo: aptitude: command not found
[04:31] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: what does that mean?
[04:31] <maco> aptitude isnt in the default 10.10 install
[04:31] <andrewh192> oh
[04:31] <maco> itd be apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:31] <andrewh192> you have to add it
[04:31] <jmichaelx> yea, you will have to install aptitude
[04:31] <andrewh192> ok
[04:31] <andrewh192> how do i do that?
[04:31] <jmichaelx> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[04:31] <maco> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[04:31] <andrewh192> ok
[04:31] <jmichaelx> jinx
[04:33] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: you could just update with apt-get, but aptitude tends to be more verbose about dependency conflicts and the likes, in my opinion
[04:33] <iconmefisto> aptitude is better at resolving conflicts, definitely
[04:34] <andrewh192> yay
[04:34] <andrewh192> its working
[04:34] <andrewh192> thanx guys
[04:34] <jmichaelx> good
[04:35] <iconmefisto> anyone with advice about my login loop?
[04:37] <jmichaelx> iconmefisto: i do not, but i can tell you that many mobile intel graphics gpu's do not work well in 10.10
[04:38] <iconmefisto> jmichaelx: seems to be kde specific. 10.04 doesn't work either. but ubuntu 10.10 works fine
[04:39] <jmichaelx> iconmefisto: the issues with mobile intel in 10.10 are certainly not kde specific
[04:40] <[V13]Axel> I have one simple question for everyone here. I know that Ubuntu's developers are re-inventing the wheel and doing away with the notification area. Will Kubuntu be following suit as well, or will it keep it's current system tray?
[04:42] <iconmefisto> [V13]Axel: kubuntu/kde seems to be expanding and further polishing the systray functions, so my guess is no, kubuntu systray will stay
[04:42] <jmichaelx> [V13]Axel: the system tray and system notifications are not exactly the same thing, but kubungu tends to more or less go with default kde behavior on matters like that.... there are alternive system notification systems available, though
[04:43] <jmichaelx> lol @ kubungu
[04:44] <[V13]Axel> Thank GOD. I love how Ubuntu keeps root and userspace seperate, so I didn't want to be forced to move to Fedora or Arch when the Ubuntu developers get rid of the notification-area on the GNOME-panel.
[04:45]  * jmichaelx likes fedora 14 (+ KDE)
[04:45] <zhangxinhui> hi
[04:46] <[V13]Axel> Fedora 14 is out already?
[04:46] <jmichaelx> yea, it's only been out for a week or two
[04:46] <[V13]Axel> Hm, I might have to check it out.
[04:46] <[V13]Axel> Does Compiz work on Fedora?
[04:47] <andrewh192> ok
[04:47] <jmichaelx> [V13]Axel: i would certainly think so
[04:47] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: hey, it asked me about weather or not to change somthing at the end or keep it the same
[04:47] <andrewh192> and i answered i wanted to see the difference
[04:47] <jmichaelx> [V13]Axel: although i use kde and kwin compositing in fedora, not gnome or compiz
[04:47] <[V13]Axel> jmichaelx: I think we should take this to the #kubuntu-offtopic channel, don't you agree?
[04:47] <andrewh192> well, i am done seeing the difference
[04:47] <andrewh192> but it seems like i can't go back to the actual install part of the screen
[04:48] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: what do you mean you are done seeing the difference?
[04:48] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: its like showing me script
[04:48] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: for startup stuff
[04:49] <andrewh192> kdmrc stuff
[04:49] <jmichaelx> ahh
[04:49] <andrewh192> but i saw the difference
[04:50] <andrewh192> and it won't go past it
[04:50] <andrewh192> tried pushing the enter key
[04:50] <jmichaelx> hmm
[04:50] <andrewh192> just has the word "END"
[04:50] <andrewh192> at the bottom
[04:51] <jmichaelx> i do not know what to suggest
[04:51] <andrewh192> ok
[04:52] <andrewh192> it got through a lot of it...
[04:52] <andrewh192> you think it would be a good idea to close that terminal window
[04:52] <andrewh192> and just start over
[04:52] <iconmefisto> andrewh192: press q ?
[04:53] <andrewh192> iconmefisto: kewl
[04:53] <andrewh192> iconmefisto: got it
[04:53] <andrewh192> iconmefisto: thanx
[04:54] <andrewh192> you guys are great
[04:54] <andrewh192> one thing i love about kubuntu
[04:54] <andrewh192> good "customer service"
[04:55] <andrewh192> sort of the same way AA works
[04:55] <andrewh192> one computer guy helping another
[04:55] <[V13]Axel> andrewh192: That's the power of the Open Source community :)
[04:55] <andrewh192> yeah
[04:55] <iconmefisto> AA? you mean like a 10 step program?
[04:55] <andrewh192> yeah
[04:55] <andrewh192> 12 step
[04:55] <[V13]Axel> LOL.
[04:55] <iconmefisto> ok 12
[04:55] <andrewh192> i have been clean 1 year and a couple months so far because of it
[04:55] <[V13]Axel> "Hello, my name is Axel, and I'm a Kubuntu addict..." XD
[04:55] <iconmefisto> lol
[04:55] <andrewh192> LOL
[04:56] <andrewh192> lol
[04:56] <andrewh192> anywho
[04:56] <andrewh192> gonna restart
[04:56] <andrewh192> it appears its done installing
[04:56] <andrewh192> hopefully be back here in a  minute or two
[04:56] <[V13]Axel> "It's been a rough 2 years... I'm just glad to not be that Windows-using person I once was... And so is my wife, heh..." XD
[04:56] <andrewh192> thanx again guys
[05:05] <andrewh192> kewl
[05:05] <andrewh192> everything is working
[05:06] <andrewh192> signed sealed and delivered
[05:08] <jmichaelx> andrewh192: congrats!
[05:09] <[V13]Axel> andrewh192: I don't even know what the problem was, and I'm happy for you :)
[05:09] <l0cus> Hello
[05:10] <l0cus> Can anyone help me out with a problem ive been trying to resolve for the pas 3 hours?
[05:11] <jmichaelx> l0cus: who knows, if you do not tell us first what is ailing you
[05:11] <l0cus> I know i waas just typing it :P
[05:11] <[V13]Axel> !help
[05:11] <[V13]Axel> :)
[05:11] <jmichaelx> pesky ubottu
[05:12] <l0cus> Well I updated Kubuntu after installing
[05:12] <l0cus> and the Fn key for my wireless still doesnt seem to work
[05:12] <l0cus> ive seen other people have had the same problem but no solutions
[05:13] <[V13]Axel> l0cus: Does the wireless work, period?
[05:13] <l0cus> now im on wired but I cant turn on wireless to connect to my router
[05:13] <l0cus> yes in windows 7
[05:13] <iconmefisto> l0cus: does it need proprietary driver maybe?
[05:13] <[V13]Axel> l0cus: You have to install the drivers for the wireless card; I'm not sure where it is in Kubuntu, but there should be a Hardware Drivers program.
[05:14] <l0cus> for Aspire?
[05:14] <iconmefisto> it's not called hardware drivers any more
[05:14] <iconmefisto> I think it's now "additional drivers" or something like that
[05:14] <l0cus> Hardware Drivers?
[05:14] <jmichaelx> System>Additional Drivers
[05:14] <l0cus> Oooooooooh i see it
[05:14] <iconmefisto> l0cus: look for it in the menu
[05:15] <l0cus> Broadcom STA wireless driver
[05:15] <l0cus> i dont why i didnt think of that lol
[05:15] <iconmefisto> l0cus: that's it
[05:15] <jmichaelx> but, there are also sometimes problems with these Fn wireless switches
[05:15] <l0cus> oh ok
[05:15] <eagles0513875> jmichaelx: fixed my plasma workspace issues
[05:15] <[V13]Axel> jmichaelx: I think the drivers were his only problem :P
[05:15] <eagles0513875> thanks to Peace-'s help
[05:15] <l0cus> I hope it works
[05:15] <jmichaelx> eagles0513875: sweet.... what did you have to do?
[05:15] <l0cus> bout to find out
[05:16] <eagles0513875> jmichaelx: turned out that kde wasnt fully installed properly so basically i had to install each kde package individuall in one long apt-get install command
[05:16] <jmichaelx> l0cus: it may not work with that GUI tool, if it doesn't we can tell you what to do
[05:16] <iconmefisto> l0cus: you'll probably need to restart after it installs
[05:16] <Kara-No> I installed Xfce, and started fiddling with the window manager settings, when I was suddenly kicked to the login screen, and when I try to log back into Xfce, I  just get kicked back to the login screen.  Is there any way to reset the settings?
[05:16] <l0cus> ok
[05:16] <l0cus> if i do restart ill ba back :D
[05:16] <jmichaelx> eagles0513875: how did things wind up in that state?
[05:17] <eagles0513875> jmichaelx: followd peace-'s blog here http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/ for 10.10 and it worked
[05:17] <l0cus> iconmefisto: no restart works like a charm
[05:17] <eagles0513875> after doing a reinstall of everything kde things are working im on kde as we speak
[05:17] <eagles0513875> hehe on konvi talkin to ya
[05:17] <l0cus> thanks a lot guys for the help
[05:17] <[V13]Axel> Does Compiz work on Kubuntu?
[05:18] <jmichaelx> eagles0513875: wow, that is definitely something i'd never have come up with
[05:18] <eagles0513875> i tried to do a purge and reinstall of the meta package but that didnt work for some reason
[05:18] <jmichaelx> [V13]Axel: it does, but you do not need it. KDE has its own desktop effects built-in
[05:18] <eagles0513875> !compiz | [V13]Axel
[05:19] <[V13]Axel> Ah, thanks. On Kubuntu's desktop effects, does it have the Desktop Cube, etc?
[05:19] <eagles0513875> [V13]Axel: yep
[05:20] <jmichaelx> [V13]Axel: definitely
[05:20] <[V13]Axel> Sweet~ Wobbly windows, too? Reflection? Animations, etc?
[05:22] <jmichaelx> [V13]Axel: it has most of those things.... compiz may have more extras, but for most KDE users, kwin's native compositing management does the job
[05:23] <[V13]Axel> Cool, thanks. :)
[05:26] <eagles0513875> welcome
[05:26] <eagles0513875> everything knock on woood seems super stable so far
[05:26] <jmichaelx> eagles0513875: if you have the right hardware, it works well
[05:27] <eagles0513875> lol i have a monster
[05:27] <eagles0513875> im quite impressed with rekonq
[05:28] <jmichaelx> eagles0513875: folks with mobile intel video have are suffering in 10.10
[05:28] <jmichaelx> strike that 'have'
[05:28] <eagles0513875> the laptops
[05:28] <jmichaelx> yup
[05:28] <eagles0513875> deja vu tbh
[05:28] <eagles0513875> i think it was 9.04 or 9.10 that had really nasty issues with intel 945 950 graphics
[05:28] <jmichaelx> yea, it's like intrepid
[05:28] <eagles0513875> ya
[05:29] <jmichaelx> yep, it is that all over again
[05:29] <eagles0513875> im lucky this is custom built desktop
[05:29] <eagles0513875> still debating if i should turn this into a fully linux server
[05:29] <eagles0513875> or at least use my other server as a test bed
[05:32] <iconmefisto> l0cus: does the Fn button work too?
[05:32] <l0cus> yes sir
[05:33] <iconmefisto> ok, cool bananas
[05:33] <l0cus> yeah, thx :d lol I feel stupid though that's usually the first place i check
[05:43] <andrewh192> hey guys
[05:44] <andrewh192> was wondering if anyone knew of how i might be able to or if it was possible to sync my google calender with the kOrganizer program
[05:44] <andrewh192> running KDE 4.5.3
[05:46] <andrewh192> jmichaelx: hey you know if i could sync Korganizer's calender with my google calender?
[06:08] <Lugia010719d1> Hi
[06:10] <Lugia010719d1> i have a problem since i upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10... Gnome Desktop that i had installed before as a backup for the case KDE goes wild (happened several times) got uninstalled in the process and when i try to install it now, i get some dependency problems.. package gnome depends on both swfdec-mozilla and epiphany-extensions, but each of them uninstalles the other one when installed.. so i cannot install gnome :/ what shoudl i do?
[06:14] <Kara-No> Is there any way to reset Xfce settings without logging into Xfce?
[06:24] <l0cus> im trying to ad a new theme and it comes with all the things like icons and font and window style qtcurve config and then theres a folder plasma theme
[06:24] <l0cus> how do i install that?
[06:25] <l0cus> I downloaded it from KDE-Look.org
[06:46] <iconmefisto> andrewh192: try installing akonadi-kde-resource-googledata then add an akonadi source for korganizer. I'm trying it now
[07:12] <l0cus> anyone here?
[07:14] <harrison> Hi, I'm having problems getting two monitors to work as seperate x screens
[07:14] <maco> xrandr (and so its guis too) does not yet support this
[07:14] <maco> you need to write an xorg.conf to do that
[07:15] <harrison> I've got my xorg.conf set up to do it but I can't start kde on the second screen
[07:16] <harrison> I just have one regular kde session and one screen that is just black, though the mouse will swap screens and the black screen shows the cursor
[07:16] <harrison> (just not the kde cursor)
[07:37] <shane_> hey
[08:32] <administrateur> Salut salut
[08:32] <Mister> Bonjour
[08:32] <Mister> Ya quelqu'un?
[08:40] <Mister> Hello
[09:11] <Mister> boo
[09:11] <Mister> Ya quelqu'un?
[09:32] <noaXess> hell.. how can i fix that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/528589/
[09:42] <hsr> After clicking logout, the system stopped at black screen giving errors - (process: 305:) GLiB WARNING**: getpwuid_r: failed due to unknown user id (0) [OK] OpenOffice.org Dcovert converter.pid non-existant [fail] How to fix it?
[09:44] <hsr> I'm still stuck at logout screen, and seeking through help irssi.. how to fix the error mentioned above?
[09:55] <amichair> do packages in the kubuntu updates/backports ppa really eventually get into the standard repos? (for the same release, that is, not the next one)
[10:04] <valorie> amichair: I'm not sure what you are asking
[10:06] <amichair> valorie: the description of the PPA (in the wiki) says these ppas will contains updates that are intended to eventually go to the official repositories. My question is whether this ever does happen within a given release, or they are put on the official repos only for future releases?
[10:07] <valorie> updates sure, unless there is a newer version available
[10:08] <valorie> backports, dunno
[10:08] <valorie> if you want to know about a particular app or package, you can ask in -devel, I suppose
[10:08] <amichair> so by using only the standard repos with no ppa, I'll still get kde point releases (updates) or major releases (backports)?
[10:09] <valorie> sure
[10:09] <amichair> ok, thanks
[10:13] <alumno> hola
[10:14] <alumno_> ese
[10:16] <alumno> ese
[10:16] <alumno> xDD
[10:16] <alumno_> olaaaaaaaaa
[10:16] <alumno> hello chato
[10:16] <alumno> xDD
[10:16] <FloodBotK2> alumno: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:17] <apachelogger> hellos, if someone could be so kind to run `env | grep QT` in a terminal and tell me what the output is :)
[10:19] <apachelogger> nevermind
[10:20] <Systemlord> QT_PLUGIN_PATH=~/.kde/lib/kde4/plugins/:/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/
[10:20] <valorie> QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/home/valorie/.kde/lib/kde4/plugins/:/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/
[10:20] <Systemlord> sorry, didn't see it the minute you wrote ;)
[10:21] <valorie> I did just so I could compare
[10:21] <valorie> I wonder why they are subtly differenet
[10:21] <valorie> different
[10:22] <Mamarok> valorie: there is nothing different I can see
[10:22] <Systemlord> they are not... ~ = home-path... but me didn't want to tell everybody my home path ;)
[10:22] <valorie> ok, got it
[10:23] <valorie> Mamarok: I was wondering why mine output the home-path, and his didn't
[10:38] <Mister> Hello
[10:40] <Mister> yo man
[10:40] <Mister> Yo
[10:40] <Mister> man
[10:40] <Mister> rastafaraï yeah man
[10:47] <Mister> Si
[10:47] <Mister> ya moi
[10:47] <Mister> coucou
[10:47] <Mister> ça va?
[10:47] <Wicker> wésh
[10:47] <Mister> +25
[10:48] <PDP> c'est tro bi1 +25
[10:48] <Mister> tu mange chez wouam?
[10:48] <PDP> ouais et ouat
[10:48] <Mister> wouam ej ge man ché ouat
[10:49] <Mister> Pue du cul
[10:56] <cuznt> i installed kubuntu 10.10 on a pc and the desktop does not work
[10:56] <cuznt> keyboARd and mouse all but usless, cant make the menu open
[11:08] <[mors]> hello
[11:08] <[mors]> I wonder if you have any QA on the live cd ?
[11:08] <[mors]> my experience so far after 2 minutes trying to install
[11:08] <[mors]> 1) during isntallation open partition manager -> full system freeze
[11:09] <[mors]> 2) after reboot, boot into the live desktop, open konsole, maximize -> full system freeze again
[11:09] <[mors]> what a trainwreck... bah
[11:09] <Peace-> [mors]: you have to pick altenate cd
[11:10] <[mors]> Peace-: what ? oh, the alternate cd is the one that doesn't crash ?
[11:10] <jussi> [mors]: please report a bug, and do share your hardware models.
[11:10] <[mors]> jussi: is there a tool to give me all the hw info you need ?
[11:10] <[mors]> bah :(
[11:10] <Peace-> [mors]: if you get the freeze you should use altenate cd
[11:10] <jussi> [mors]: also, are you certain its a freeze and not just reading from the cd?
[11:11] <[mors]> jussi: it's not reading from the cd when it freezes for 10 minutes
[11:11] <jussi> [mors]: ok, sure.
[11:12] <jussi> [mors]: lspci should give us a good indication, as well as the output of: dmesg
[11:12] <jussi> [mors]: as well as all that, have ytou verified the image you burne is not corrupted in any way?
[11:15] <phoenix_firebrd> i am having problem with the window decorations
[11:16] <phoenix_firebrd> i am using a window decoration named ambiance, it works fine except, when the window is maximized, the decoration is not displayed properly
[11:17] <phoenix_firebrd> i will paste a snapshot now
[11:24] <phoenix_firebrd> here is the snapshot showing normal and maximized windows http://imagebin.org/122481
[11:24] <[mors]> jussi: well, working now... :/
[11:25] <jussi> [mors]: weird. in anycase, Im off.
[11:28] <DwaK_3ndy> hi
[11:29] <DwaK_3ndy> hello
[11:30] <DwaK_3ndy> 44
[11:30] <DwaK_3ndy> they are coming back
[11:31] <DwaK_3ndy> to violate my boobs
[11:31] <bazhang> DwaK_3ndy, stop that
[11:32] <DwaK_3ndy> ok ,, why don't you write n here
[11:32] <bazhang> DwaK_3ndy, this is kubuntu support only.
[11:33] <DwaK_3ndy> ok ,, my volume is so low,, how can i make it higher,, please,,
[11:35] <DwaK_3ndy> help me ,, i have alc662
[11:35] <DwaK_3ndy> thanx anyway., bye
[11:55] <[mors]> so, I just installed kubuntu on  new workstation, and booting, when the kubuntu loader should show up, the screen goes blank
[11:55] <crissi> boh  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/641657
[12:02] <noobuntu> hello, i opened KRDC once and now every time i reboot invitation - desktop sharings starts with kubuntu how can i stop it from autorunning ?
[12:05] <wilhart> hey, my kubuntu had autologin, now it goes to konsole? and when i run gdm/kdm it says something about reso and it didint load nvidia driver tho my xorg.conf is good.
[12:06] <wilhart> help me
[12:06] <wilhart> ?
[12:08] <roentgen_> wilhart: delete/rename xorg.conf and try again
[12:08] <alvin> [mors]: What do you mean by 'Kubuntu loader'?
[12:09] <[mors]> the splashscreen immediatelly after grub
[12:09] <wilhart> roentgen_: ok
[12:11] <alvin> [mors]: That's plymouth
[12:11] <alvin> So, you mean: 'after plymouth, I should see kdm, but the screen stays blank'. What happens if you reboot?
[12:11] <[mors]> ssame
[12:12] <[mors]> and it's too early for a dmesg... :/
[12:13] <[mors]> and this is my work workstation... so I'm stuck between red hat (which means relearning linux for me), kubuntu (well familiar) or having to ask for a windows license (would rather cut my wrists, but I'm not paid for it)
[12:14] <alvin> It's probably just bug 111534 or bug 538524. Workaround is: reboot until kdm shows up. imho, upstart isn't stable enough yet.
[12:14] <[mors]> and by screen going blank I mean the screen turns off, due to lack of signal. Live CD works well
[12:14] <[mors]> alvin: I don't even see the splash screen, and the screen looses signal
[12:14] <alvin> I have the same issue on some workstations
[12:15] <[mors]> this is a recent HP workstation
[12:15] <wilhart> hmm, ok i removed xorg.conf yea worked but now i dont have nvidia drivers enabled..
[12:15] <alvin> The splash screen is pretty useless due to the fast boot. It's very well possible that you don't see it. Say, what happens if you remove splash and quiet from /etc/default/grub and run update-grub?
[12:15] <wilhart> i need xorg.conf
[12:19] <[mors]> alvin: ok thanks, reading bug report :)
[12:25] <wilhart> how do i fix this please?
[12:26] <wilhart> my kubuntu crash in terminal just jams whole computer, i reboot now it throws me out to konsole, tho i have autologin to kde
[12:27] <wilhart> i tried without xorg.conf, and with it..
[12:28] <Space_Man> wilhart: maybe nvidia has something similar to "sudo aticonfig --intial -f" that creates an xorg.conf for amd cards
[12:28] <wilhart> Space_Man: i have nvidia
[12:28] <wilhart> Space_Man: dont have aticonfig installed.
[12:28] <Space_Man> obviously
[12:30] <wilhart> damn
[12:31] <wilhart> hmm. this is odd
[12:40] <crissi> hello
[12:41] <crissi> i hot massive performance problems with kde programs... the xserver often needs a lot of cpu
[12:42] <crissi> for example file open dialog shows up and sorting the files are very slow
[12:43] <crissi> also, typing here in quassel is fast but sening the message (and put in channel window) needs some time (1-3s) also typing fast in the line here causes high cpu usage
[12:43] <Peace-> hi
[12:43] <Peace-> hi
[12:43] <crissi> im using kde 3.5.3 on 10.10
[12:43] <crissi> sorry
[12:43] <crissi> 4.5.10
[12:44] <crissi> 4.5.3
[12:44] <Peace-> 4.5.3 or 4.5.1?
[12:44] <Peace-> xD
[12:44] <crissi> 4.5.3
[12:44] <Peace-> anyway the problem is the driver of your video card
[12:44] <Peace-> ati ?
[12:44] <Peace-> or intel?
[12:44] <Peace-> or sis :S
[12:44] <crissi> 4.5.1 is toobuggy
[12:45] <crissi> nvidia
[12:45] <Peace-> ok for some nvidia you could get problem
[12:45] <Peace-> i guess
[12:45] <crissi> with latest driver, desktop effects disabled
[12:45] <Peace-> mm that's is the problem then kernel is not really good
[12:46] <Peace-> crissi: kubuntu 10.04 was running well?
[12:46] <crissi> 260.19.12
[12:46] <crissi> yes, was better
[12:46] <BluesKaj> crissi, which nvidia "
[12:46] <crissi> and kde3 was better than kde3 (speed)
[12:46] <crissi> i think kde4 is broken
[12:47] <Peace-> nope
[12:47] <Peace-> it's the driver
[12:47] <crissi> sorry kde4 is slower than kde3.. typing here is horrible
[12:47] <crissi> no. kde3 was fast -> driver ok
[12:47] <Peace-> your driver or your video card is sick
[12:47] <Peace-> kde4 it's opengl
[12:47] <Peace-> kde 3 no
[12:47] <Peace-> so driver is an issue.
[12:47] <crissi> its an nvidia gforce 6200
[12:48] <crissi> it should only display windows and so on. no games.
[12:48] <crissi> i dont need opengl
[12:48] <Peace-> so kde it's not for you i guess
[12:48] <Peace-> use gnome
[12:48] <crissi> it should be fast as kde3
[12:48] <Peace-> or try to use a nice driver for kubuntu
[12:49] <Peace-> crissi: my intel card is very nice with kubuntu
[12:49] <Peace-> ...
[12:49] <Peace-> why?
[12:49] <Peace-> the driver
[12:49] <crissi> if this situation will not be better in future, i'll be back k to kde3 at this machine
[12:49] <crissi> no. its not the driver.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> crissi, did you install the driver recommended in the HW jockey  in system settings ?
[12:49] <crissi> i use kde since 1.0beta1 and all was fast. kde4 is a marture.
[12:49] <Peace-> crissi: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/nonepomucknoserachstuff.png
[12:50] <Peace-> crissi: that is my kubuntu .. and it's faster then kde3
[12:50] <Peace-> .
[12:50] <crissi> i installed nvidia driver from nvidia server directly
[12:50] <crissi> LOL
[12:50] <Peace-> your problem is not kde it's hardware|driver
[12:50] <BluesKaj> crissi, actually it's kmenu/applications/system
[12:51] <crissi> cant be. i tested several machines with kde3 and kde4.. new and old machines, kde3 was erverytime faster.
[12:51] <Peace-> i don't believe you
[12:51] <crissi> why the hell they did it wrong?
[12:51] <Peace-> you must have a nice kernel
[12:52] <Peace-> with nice hardware
[12:52] <noobuntu> which one should i choose open java or sun java ?
[12:52] <Peace-> you got bad hardware or bad driver.
[12:52] <BluesKaj> crissi, did you install  from default kernel source in the repos server or the proprietary driver from the nvidia website
[12:52] <thinkinsync_> java questions anyone?
[12:52] <Peace-> noobuntu: well you could use the open but the normal user add medibuntu
[12:53] <crissi> try a kde3 system.. you wil, think you have a rocket started. (no joke), i like kde really but i gotting the very big hate with kde4.. not finished, a lot of crashes in history, still not all features available..its a pain for normal users
[12:53] <Peace-> noobuntu: then sudo apt-get kubuntu-restricted-extras shoudl do the job
[12:53] <Peace-> crissi: i had kde3
[12:53] <Peace-> .
[12:53] <noobuntu> i see thank you
[12:54] <crissi> BluesKaj: from nvidia server (ftp://download.nvidia.com)
[12:54] <Peace-> crissi: i believe you just fit with kde anymore
[12:54] <BluesKaj> crissi, it's not kde that's at fault ..I think you have the wrong nvidia driver installed
[12:54] <Peace-> doesn't fit
[12:54] <crissi> no
[12:54] <Peace-> +1 BluesKaj
[12:55] <BluesKaj> crissi, well if you won't try with the right driver then we can;t help and stop complaining about poor performance
[12:55] <crissi> direct rendering: Yes
[12:55] <crissi> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[12:55] <crissi> server glx version string: 1.4
[12:56] <crissi> its the right driver. i use linux since 1997 and know what i have to do.
[12:56] <Peace-> crissi: good luck with your hardware and another distro man
[12:56] <Peace-> with gnome i mean
[12:56] <Peace-> xD
[12:56] <BluesKaj> crissi, then use the rcommended driver in system /hardware
[12:57] <crissi> but kde4 performance is very poor after a while on kde4 here. the machien is fast (2.2ghz, 2gb ram)
[12:58] <crissi> its a pitty. this situation will not force ppl to use kde when switch from windows.
[12:59] <crissi> to tell its the driver is easy but will not help. older machines with kde2+3 are fast without opengl and bad drivers
[12:59] <Tm_T> crissi: please, this is support channel, discussion about previous kde versions in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:59] <crissi> i think i'll still recommend kde3 for ppl who want to use kde.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> crissi, stop complaining and install the recommended driver!
[13:00] <crissi> its the best driver already.
[13:00]  * BluesKaj use the ignore option
[13:01] <thinkinsync_> i think that some settings may also be wrong in KDE system settings module
[13:01] <thinkinsync_> once my pc stopped booting in KDE
[13:01] <thinkinsync_> i opened system settings 4m gnome
[13:01] <thinkinsync_> and
[13:02] <thinkinsync_> it was there - faulty hard disk labels!
[13:05]  * thinkinsync_ wants some interesting discussions!
[13:06] <Tm_T> thinkinsync_: try some offtopic channel then, this is for support (:
[13:06]  * thinkinsync_ wants some interesting problems to answer! :) thats what i meant
[13:16] <mkk> how can i install ubuntu one on maverick? i installed ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-gnome, but there's nothing under kmenu
[13:21] <kyubutsu> +1
[13:22] <kyubutsu> i like to see kde integration with ubuntuone. apparently that project only works with gnome
[13:22] <Tm_T> mkk: unfortunately there's no ubuntuone applet for kde
[13:25] <kyubutsu> an applet for it would be epic
[13:27]  * kyubutsu wonders how this even happen.. ubuntuone was a major feature of maverick, yet kde gets jack about it
[13:27] <kyubutsu> not cool
[13:27] <Pici> I thought there was something...
[13:27] <kyubutsu> do tell
[13:28] <kyubutsu> by the way.. i had you for a gnome guy , Pici..
[13:28]  * kyubutsu looks at you
[13:28] <Tm_T> was, unfortunately upstream (canonical) kept changing the service libraries & all to wrong direction... (hrrr, getting offtopic)
[13:28] <Pici> kyubutsu: I am.  I was just going to say that I don't use KDE, but thought that someone at UDS had said something about Ubuntu One on KDE.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> mkk,  http://linux-software-news-tutorials.blogspot.com/2010/08/ubuntu-one-in-kubuntu-1010.html
[13:32] <Pici> https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde
[13:32] <Tm_T> as far as I know those aren't supported
[13:33] <amichair> Wasn't apachelogger working on something like that? Maybe I'm mistaken...
[13:33] <Tm_T> was
[13:33] <mkk> BluesKaj: that is not working
[13:34] <kyubutsu> mkk: was that what you referred to originally?
[13:36] <mkk> kyubutsu: i can't find any way to get it work
[13:37] <kyubutsu> i'll try Pici's recommendation just 'cause its on launchpad , i dont know about the other site
[13:38] <mkk> there's no deb package
[13:38] <kyubutsu> maybe i'll get lucky, but its in alpha!
[13:38] <kyubutsu> there is a tar.gz for download though
[13:43] <mkk> kyubutsu: can you tell us the result when you try
[13:43] <powerinside> My Kubuntu fails to upgrade on its own to 10.10 (from 10.04) via Software updates because it was badly patched using a UBUNTU 10.04 alternate CD previously.. (from 9.10) any other method to upgrade?
[13:46] <Tm_T> mkk: kyubutsu: there's no working support for maverick
[13:47] <kyubutsu> duly noted, Tm_T..  its better than nothing imo , so kyubutsu tries anything..
[13:48]  * kyubutsu still reading thru README and other docs ... 
[13:52] <BluesKaj> mkk, have you asked in #ubuntu-one ?
[13:52] <mkk> no
[13:53] <mkk> but i will thank you
[13:53] <BluesKaj> they might be able to help you, mkk
[13:57] <kyubutsu> readme says "In its current iteration it may only be used to query information from the
[13:57] <kyubutsu> Ubuntu One Servers (but not edit them)" [about launchpad ubuntuone client for kde sc 0.1-alpha1
[13:58] <kyubutsu> :-/
[13:59] <kyubutsu> BluesKaj: its #ubuntuone not #ubuntu-one
[14:00] <geekosopher> kyubutsu: ubuntu-one redirects to ubuntuone :)
[14:00] <kyubutsu> kind of thought that be the case.. but still
[14:01]  * kyubutsu shrugs
[14:07] <Red-Bull> yoyoy
[14:07] <Red-Bull> everybody in tha housa?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, too bad that site is still up..looks like apachelogger's ubuntuone ppa is no longer valid
[14:08] <kyubutsu> i referred to the launchpad one though..
[14:11] <kyubutsu> still.. having no editing capabilities am not willing to test it..  :(
[14:12] <kyubutsu> BluesKaj: on the ppa one, found yet another site linking to it..
[14:14]  * kyubutsu sighs
[14:14] <kyubutsu> talk about overlooked
[14:17] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, mayb3e there are just too many probs with integrating ubuntuone into kde so he dropped the the ppa but it's difficult to track down weblinks that he didn't post
[14:18]  * kyubutsu nods
[14:20] <Guest25652> Any body help me on configuring GRUB2. is it default loadr in kubuntu 10.04 LTS?
[14:21] <Guest25652> Any body help me on configuring GRUB2. is it default loadr in kubuntu 10.04 LTS?
[14:22] <Guest25652> Any body help me on configuring GRUB2. is it default loadr in kubuntu 10.04 LTS?
[14:22] <Space_Man> Guest25652: what's the problem (you only need to post once)
[14:23] <Guest25652> when booting it shows ¨no suitable modes found¨,¨ünknown command terminal
[14:23] <Guest25652> when booting it shows ¨no suitable modes found¨,¨ünknown command terminal
[14:24] <Guest25652> when booting it shows ¨no suitable modes found¨,¨ünknown command ¨terminal¨
[14:25] <Space_Man> stop spamming
[14:26] <Space_Man> Google's first result http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1529764
[14:26] <Guest25652> when booting it shows ¨no suitable modes found¨,¨ünknown command ¨terminal¨. this message is shown in blank screen and after few time it boots , but why error is shown? i hav to see boot menu.
[14:26] <powerinside> Does any body know how I can upgrade my kubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 maverick? It does upgrade from Software upgrades it gives error. quick alternative anyone?
[14:26] <Guest25652> ok sir , im gonna check it.
[14:26] <Space_Man> Guest25652: which links to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501143&page=2
[14:27] <Space_Man> Guest25652: use kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub instead of sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[14:27] <Space_Man> then follow the rest of the fix
[14:27] <BluesKaj> powerinside, in the terminal , sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:27] <Guest25652> thnx, im gonna look sir,
[14:29] <powerinside> BluesKaj: Thanks.. will it be a good upgrade or will it wipe out my data like from knotes etc?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> powerinside, it should keep all your data
[14:30] <BenPA> hi all ... I changed a desktop setting in Kubuntu and now my x won't start
[14:32] <Exposure> hmz annoying problem here, I've setup some NFS mounts in fstab but apparently the system tries to mount them while the network interface isn't up during boot
[14:32] <BenPA> how do I reset from the konsole
[14:32] <BluesKaj> BenPA, which desktop setting ..desktop-effects ?
[14:32] <Exposure> I get some errors that it can't resolve the hostnames where the nfs exports live
[14:32] <BenPA> BluesKaj: yes
[14:34] <BluesKaj> BenPA, could be your graphics card driver ...which graphics card , which driver?
[14:34] <BenPA> BluesKaj: I am not sure ...
[14:35] <delac> is there any gtk style that can modify firefoxs' icons and tabs? QtCurve seems to only be able to change buttons and scrollbars?
[14:35] <BenPA> BluesKaj: is it lspci?
[14:36] <Guest25652> I want to see graphical boot in any resolution
[14:36] <Guest25652> i think console is boaring
[14:36] <Guest25652> can you help me to fix the error and use graphical boot by any means
[14:36] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA will give the card
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Guest25652, did you do , sudo update-grub ?
[14:37] <powerinside> BluesKaj: I got the simmilar error with update  :(
[14:38] <Guest25652> no  . . . my error is reported in above conversation with spaceman
[14:38] <Guest25652> plse reffer that
[14:39] <BluesKaj> powerinside, make sure you package manager/sources.list doesn't contain any ppa sources for specialty apps and theird party sources
[14:39] <BenPA> BluesKaj: it is a Intel 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Guest98534, try sudo update-grub , anyway
[14:40] <Guest25652> ok
[14:40] <powerinside> BluesKaj: How to do that? I mean can i just uncheck the extra and how do I know what all to remove in sources
[14:40] <Guest25652> it is a Intel 82810 Integrated Graphics
[14:43] <sandra_> hallo ich habe ein kleines Problem mit Kubuntu 10.10,und zwar möchte ich KDE 4.5.1 auf die 4.5.3 aktualisiern,nur weiß ich nicht die Installtionsquelle dafür.kann mir jemand helfen?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> powerinside, uncheck any repos that aren't universe , multiverse or security
[14:44] <BluesKaj> !de |sandra_
[14:49] <delac> how can I change firefoxs' icons on kubuntu?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> delac, change to ?
[14:51] <BenPA> BluesKaj: Not sure you saw my response ... it is a Intel 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[14:51] <delac> BluesKaj: yes. they dont seem to change when I change the icon theme for the desktop. So I wonder if there is some other way to do it for firefox?
[14:52] <alvin> Exposure: bug 275451
[14:53] <eagles0513875> BenPA: was talking with someone this am intels are getting hit hard again with bugs :(
[14:53] <eagles0513875> the intel graphics just like intrepid i believe it was
[14:54] <BenPA> eagles0513875: I am not sure that this is a bug as much as me changing a setting and trying to get back what was there
[14:54] <eagles0513875> BenPA: im just saying becareful
[14:55] <BenPA> eagles0513875: I know I do dumb things like this all the time
[14:55] <Exposure> alvin: unbelievable a bug like that isn't fixed for two years now :(
[14:55] <powerinside> BluesKaj: I still got the same problem even when I unchecked all extra from the repos and included only Main, universe and multiverse and the restricted driver
[14:56] <eagles0513875> BenPA: i started out like you back in the day
[14:56] <alvin> Exposure: Yes, but it's better now. Most of the time, shares are mounted now. In Jaunty it was totally broken.
[14:57] <Exposure> yeah most of the times doesn't do it for me
[14:57] <powerinside> BluesKaj: Here's the message im getting using terminal (simmilar to GUI error too) http://pastebin.com/6ykhYtB0
[14:57] <BenPA> eagles0513875: Oh so I have something to look forward to ... leaving well enough alone
[14:57] <eagles0513875> BenPA:  im saying youll learn from your mistakes
[14:58] <Exposure> I guess I can't opt to remove all this upstart nonsens and go back to sysv which has matured in a period of like over 30 years?
[14:58] <BenPA> eagles0513875: I was just getting ready to give this one back ... I know what you mean but I am starting to have senior moments mixed in
[14:59] <alvin> Exposure: If that was possible, I'd do it immediately. Fedora just started using upstart, but they are moving away from it again. I'm not sure about debian.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> powerinside, ok run ,sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:00] <powerinside> BluesKaj: I just did that yesterday it only downloaded a few files.. this time it just shows a couple of stuff like new kernel.. should I really go for that?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:01] <BluesKaj> powerinside, yes
[15:01] <BluesKaj> BenPA, sorry I can'rt seem to find anything about your card
[15:03] <powerinside> BluesKaj: whoa nothing http://pastebin.com/55hsCu3d
[15:07] <BluesKaj> powerinside, good , no errors , sudo apt-get clean...then try sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:11] <18VABRG9D> why is hte new kmix in 10.10  such a memory hog.   its using 1.6Gb
[15:11] <noobuntu> hi, i have an issue in kubuntu when installing sun-java6-jre i get "One of the selected packages failed to install correctly.
[15:11] <noobuntu> More information is available in the detailed report."  "subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 2"
[15:12] <noobuntu> i can use -f install but i dont get why that is happening in the first place
[15:15] <BenPA> BluesKaj: can I re-install something?
[15:16] <BenPA> BluesKaj: can I re-install something ... to get the default settings back?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> BenPA, you on a tty ?
[15:16] <BenPA> BluesKaj: yes
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ok BenPA , hang on
[15:17] <powerinside> BluesKaj: Same error :(
[15:18] <BenPA> BluesKaj: fyi ... it is kubuntu 10.04
[15:20] <noobuntu> does anyone knows what that is happening ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> BenPA, have you done any update/upgrades since ?
[15:28] <BenPA> BluesKaj: no
[15:29] <BenPA> BluesKaj: wait I did do apt-get update and upgrade but there was nothing
[15:31] <[mors]> I gents
[15:31] <[mors]> having something similar to bug 538524
[15:32] <[mors]> but I've disabled the splash screen and it seems kdm boots (because the screen flickers a bit) but then the screen goes off due to lack of signal
[15:33] <alvin> [mors]: Anything weird in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[15:33] <JJman6_> why is the new kmix in 10.10 such a memory hog. its using 1.6Gb   thats seems s
[15:34] <BluesKaj> BenPA, this may be using a sledge hammer on a needle, and it might create more problems sudo apt-get remove compiz
[15:34] <[mors]> alvin: after the boot I can't do anything else to the machine
[15:34] <alvin> [mors]: Not even Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[15:34] <[mors]> alvin: no
[15:34] <[mors]> screen is dead, no signal
[15:34] <BenPA> BluesKaj: ok np
[15:35] <[mors]> I disabled quiet splash screen and changed the plymoouth upstart script to be like the one in the ppa, same results.
[15:35] <alvin> [mors]: Can you boot into root mode (don't remember how it is called exactly)
[15:35] <BenPA> BluesKaj: says not installed
[15:35] <alvin> [mors]: Did you ran grub-update?
[15:36] <alvin> update-grub
[15:36] <[mors]> alvin: can't do that because I changed the scripts from a live cd, but I did change the grub.conf file manually and removed the splash there too. I see the kernel initializing now (not the splash) and then the screeen flickers and  it's turned off
[15:37] <alvin> [mors]: Hmm, you could do it when chrooted. I thought it was important. Is safe/root mode possible? (Hold shift while booting to find the grub menu)
[15:38] <BenPA> BluesKaj: should I install it?
[15:38] <[mors]> alvin: did you solve your problem ?
[15:38] <alvin> [mors]: What problem? I have many :-)
[15:39] <[mors]> alvin: from the bts it seems you had the same :)
[15:39] <BluesKaj> BenPA, no it's installed under a different name already
[15:39] <alvin> [mors]: I still do, but rebooting is a working workaround for me. On second boot, I always see kdm.
[15:39] <power-inside> BluesKaj: Man its the same error...
[15:40] <[mors]> alvin: my workstation does not have a reset button
[15:40] <[mors]> :/
[15:40] <BluesKaj> BenPA,` try metacity --replace&
[15:40] <[mors]> alvin: I have the grub menu, now what ?
[15:40] <alvin> [mors]: It might be a different problem. (If Ctrl+Alt+Del is not working, your problem might be  a kernel panic)
[15:40] <alvin> [mors]: Second option. Safe mode or something
[15:40] <[mors]> recovery mode ?
[15:40] <alvin> Should give you a root shell
[15:40] <alvin> that one, yes
[15:41] <[mors]> oh nice, same issue
[15:41] <[mors]> recovery mode -> kills the screen
[15:41] <alvin> [mors]: What's your graphic card? Some cards are working badly in maverick. (Some nVidia, some Intel, Matrox and a few others)
[15:41] <[mors]> nvidia quadro something
[15:41] <[mors]> but the live cd boots.
[15:41] <[mors]> and works just well
[15:41] <BluesKaj> power-inside, methinks a clean install is in order , backup your data then grab an iso from kubuntu.org
[15:42] <alvin> [mors]: That is strange. LiveCD working is a good sign
[15:42] <BenPA> BluesKaj: it says metacity is currently not installed and that I need to apt-get install it
[15:44] <[mors]> alvin: how can I disable kdm booting when pc boots ?
[15:45] <[mors]> I could boot it manually after the pc booting
[15:45] <alvin> [mors]: Recovery mode should not start X (and thus not start kdm)
[15:45] <BluesKaj> BenPA, ok ..I've run out of ideas , maybe the guys at #ubuntu can help since it's a graphics related problem
[15:45] <[mors]> alvin: humpf....
[15:45] <[mors]> nice... :(
[15:45] <avo> hey all. I just uploaded my Ubuntu distro from kubuntu.com, but its asking for an activate.
[15:46] <alvin> [mors]: That indicated that your problem occurs before X is started.
[15:46] <BenPA> BluesKaj: what would happen if I install either metacity or compiz?
[15:46] <v3nd3tta``> [mors] maybe it has something to do with /etc/init.d/kdm :)
[15:46] <[mors]> seems I need to play with bios then.
[15:47] <BluesKaj> BenPA, compiz is already installed..it's what runs desktop effects under a different name
[15:47] <James147> BluesKaj: compiz isnt installed in kubuntu... it uses kwin instead
[15:49] <BluesKaj> James147, really ? I read somewhere that desktop effects is actually compiz
[15:49] <James147> BluesKaj: no, kde has had its own compositing engine since kde 4.0
[15:50] <James147> built into kwin
[15:51] <BluesKaj> James147 , maybe you can help BenPA ..he's stuck at a tty after enabling desktop-effects
[15:51] <BenPA> either one of you can help
[15:51] <James147> BenPA: try renaming ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc  and logging back in, that whould reset kwin to its defaults
[15:52] <[mors]> alvin: still there ? :)
[15:52] <[mors]> I filmed the screen... the last line that is output before the screen blanks is something like
[15:53] <BenPA> james147: when you say renaming you mean change the name of kwinrc to say kwinrc1 then reboot?
[15:53] <alvin> [mors]: Let's hear it
[15:53] <James147> BenPA: "sudo restart kdm"  to restart kdm  (or start if its not alrady started)
[15:53] <[mors]> [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00,0: 512 MiB Gart (aperture ...
[15:53] <James147> BenPA: yes... although you dont need to reboot, restarting kdm should be enough
[15:53] <[mors]> name similar lines before
[15:53] <[mors]> **many
[15:54] <[mors]> there are also 3 lines that say [ttm] kernel: Available graphics memory: ...
[15:54] <[mors]> [ttm] highmem: Available graphics memory: ...
[15:54] <[mors]> [ttm] initializing pool allocator
[15:55] <[mors]> then the noveoau line and then screen goes blank
[16:00] <jorge> hi
[16:00] <jorge> everyone
[16:02] <dasKreech> hi
[16:02] <BluesKaj> hey dasKreech
[16:02] <dasKreech> hi BluesKaj
[16:06] <BenPA> james147: it worked ... thank you
[16:10] <alvin> [mors]: Nouveau? A bit strange. Nouveau is not used when you boot into recovery mode. There was an issue with nouveau when maverick was still in beta, but that was solved before release.
[16:11] <BluesKaj> BenPA, are myou on a laptop ?
[16:13] <[mors]> alvin: where is dmesg dumped to ?
[16:14] <snarkster> dmesg can be dumped to your home folder via a > as in dmesg > dmesg.txt
[16:15] <James147> snarkster: I would think so :)
[16:33] <[mors]> alvin: nouveau is printing stuff when booting in recovery mode
[16:34] <[mors]> and I'm using a release iso
[16:51] <[mors]> gah
[16:51] <[mors]> why is nouveau lading in recovery mode ?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> [mors], ok which graphics card are you running?
[16:58] <[mors]> nvidia quadro
[16:58] <[mors]> and the distro on the live cd boots but freezes too often
[16:58] <BluesKaj> quadro , what number?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> [mors], lspci |grep VGA
[16:59] <[mors]> nvs 295
[17:00] <[mors]> need to reboot pc because live cd frooze
[17:00] <ubuntu> hi
[17:01] <eagles0513875> !hi | ubuntu
[17:01] <eagles0513875> !welcome | ubottu
[17:01] <Talinus> hello
[17:04] <samuel__> good morning all, can anyone tell me which PPA to use for kde 4.5.3 on 10.04 release. I've already tried the one listed on the website and it only brings me up to 4.5.1 :(
[17:07] <DarthFrog>  4.5.1 is all that's available and all that will be available, for 10.04.  4.5.3 is available for 10.10 only.
[17:07] <samuel__> bollocks! I'm switching to LFS
[17:07] <samuel__> thaniks
[17:08] <DarthFrog> LFS?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> [mors], the forums talk about using the nvidia proprietary driver on the nvs 295 .. my nvidia is is the 8400gs and it wouldn't run on the proprietary driver and poorly on the nvidia-current . The only way i could get the 8400gs to run properly was to install it on a newer pc .
[17:13] <[mors]> BluesKaj: given that the system doesn't even boot that will require me to reisntall the OS...
[17:13] <[mors]> :/
[17:26] <BajK_> Is it possible to have a (Ubuntu?) server that has all the home directories and user settings stored and on each client there is just a plain Kubuntu install and they log on to the server via network?
[17:26] <BajK_> So have a centralized server for all the home direcotries and settings and just use them for login
[17:27] <[mors]> https://one.ubuntu.com/
[17:27] <[mors]> though you might  not be happy with 3rd party storage
[17:28] <BajK_> yep, I'm not ;)=
[17:29] <BajK_> things like they have in schools and such, with 2500 users on the net and being able to login from anywhere (notebook, computer lab, etc) to those accounts and have your home directory
[17:29] <BajK_> it's with [many swears here] novell and just stupid. So I wanted to know whether it is possible with Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[17:29] <[mors]> a roaming profile
[17:30] <BajK_> roaming profile?
[17:32] <[mors]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaming_profile
[17:34] <BajK_> ehm
[17:34] <BajK_> i don't want it with prehistorical windows. I want it with Kubuntu.
[17:34] <BajK_> (i thought Linux was a network system?)
[17:34] <[mors]> sure, just so you understand the name
[17:35] <[mors]> it's probably easy to setup a rsync job that syncs your profile during login and logout, depending on your desktop env
[17:35] <BajK_> can't i just use the files on the server direclty without having them to copy on the local pc?
[17:36] <mmn980> Hello everyone, I've got a problem - KDE doesn't display the desktop on Radeon 4550 HD, anyone has some spar time/desire to help?
[17:36] <[mors]> that could be quite overkill for performance
[17:36] <[mors]> mmn980: does the pc boot into kde at all ?
[17:37] <BajK_> [mors]: why? It's not that KDE reloads every second all the time?
[17:37] <BajK_> okay, well
[17:38] <BajK_> it should be possible copying settings (.kde folder or so?) via rsync to local
[17:38] <BajK_> and have the user data home kept on the server?`
[17:39] <mmn980> yes
[17:39] <mmn980> it even draws windows
[17:39] <mmn980> of skype and chrome
[17:39] <mmn980> but no desktop, shortcuts, <start> button tray, widgets - nothing
[17:39] <[mors]> mmn980: then, don't know. Try to disable compositing
[17:40] <mmn980> how can you do this from text console?
[17:42] <BajK_> hm "Raming Profiles Sync" in ubntu wiki, but Implementation, Code, Bla, nothing -.-
[17:44] <BajK_> hm well, it should be implementable using a selfmade script but don't know how to persuade kdm giving you permission to log on bnased on that stuff from remove
[17:44] <BajK_> remote
[17:46] <BajK_> ah samba pdc
[17:56] <BajK_> hm okay that PDC seems to be only for syncing windows profiles
[17:56] <BajK_> -.-
[18:15] <[mors]> alvin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Working%20around%20bugs%20in%20the%20new%20kernel%20video%20architecture
[18:15] <[mors]> that saved me !
[18:21] <dasKreech> \o/
[18:22] <dasKreech> mmn980: What driver?
[18:22]  * eagles0513875 pokes dasKreech with kubuntu-offtopic
[18:23] <tobias> Ĥi
[18:24] <dasKreech> It's super effective!
[18:24] <dasKreech> hi Guest91161
[18:25] <Guest91161> hi dasKreech
[18:26] <Guest91161> can somebody help me i cant control my brigthness in battery mode
[18:26] <Guest91161> i have installed kubuntu 10.10
[18:29] <dasKreech> Guest91161: What have you tried?
[18:30] <pingveno> Is there a way to have KDE's Plasma based NetworkManager installed and also have a networkmanager client for XMonad?
[18:31] <pingveno> Like, a NetworkManager client that can hook into KDE's KWallet.
[18:31] <pingveno> Installing knetworkmanager requires uninstalling the Plasma plasmoid.
[18:46]  * crack05 is away (Gone)
[19:20] <sresu> Which command Analog clock widget uses to speak time?
[19:21] <[mors]> how do I disable all desktop sounds in kde ?
[19:54] <giuseppe77> ciao
[19:54] <Pici> !it  | giuseppe77
[19:55] <giuseppe77> join #ubuntu-it
[19:58] <anjexe> i have promlem using my adsl conection un kubuntu
[19:58] <anjexe> how to config it?
[20:09] <voicu> any way to switch easily between proxy settings globally?
[20:15] <Patricia|Ocupada> what application I use to record the screen on my kubuntu video
[20:38] <yazzus_> hello everybody! Has someone installed coreldraw on kubuntu 10.10?
[21:08] <Angelman> hey, I was thinking of switching from the regular gnome version to the KDE version and was wondering if there was a guide telling me what apps replace the ones I currently use
[21:09] <Angelman> like I use DeVeDe and Artisa quite often, and Cheese, I want to know KDE replacement apps and such
[21:09] <anika> guten abend zusammen
[21:10] <anika> habe mal eine frage zu wlan
[21:11] <anika> neuinstallation von cd, der asus wl-167g v2 wird gefunden, netzstärke wird angezeigt, aber ich kann mich nicht verbinden.    was kann das sein?
[21:12] <anika> netzeinstellungen sind wpa2-psk passwort stimmt, nur ich hae im networkmanager keine möglichkeit den kanaöl anzugeben
[21:12] <yofel> !de | anika
[21:13] <anika> thanks and bye  ;-)
[21:17] <morticum> hello
[21:17] <morticum> hello
[21:17] <morticum> whoops
[21:18] <morticum> i have a problem. after upgrading to kubuntu 10.10 from 10.04, i now get a lot of graphical glitches, like menus not rendering
[21:18] <morticum> thjis is with with compositing enabled
[21:18] <morticum> i also notice that using rekonq fullscreen flickers and it actually caused my entire screen to go black with nothing accessible...i had to use a shortcut to logout
[21:19] <morticum> any ideas as to why?
[21:22] <yofel> morticum: I remember having rendering issues with intel drivers before KDE 4.5 was released, but nothing since then, can you try to disable the 'Blur' effect?
[21:25] <morticum> yofel: i've disabled blur
[21:26] <morticum> i've disabled most effects and th problem persists...i should try disabling them all while keeping compositing enabled
[21:29] <morticum> hmmm
[21:29] <morticum> I just disabled all effects and the menu drawing problem's gone
[21:53] <morticum> aha, I found the menu-drawing-glitch culprit: it's the fade effect
[21:54] <morticum> at least, that's ONE cause.
[22:01] <smw> is it just me, or does kde look worse and worse every time they update?
[22:01] <smw> I stopped using it for a little while, and I just decided to use it again
[22:03] <TNZ_> which version do you use ?
[22:03] <smw> TNZ_: I just installed the latest kubuntu
[22:03] <smw> I was using arch linux with lxde for a little while
[22:04] <smw> now I am back, and I am wondering what happened to kde
[22:04] <smw> maybe I just got used to everything being simple...
[22:04] <TNZ_> Wait, i gonna give you ppa link for 4.5.3 version which is better
[22:05] <yofel> there isn't any design difference between 4.5.1 and 4.5.3
[22:05] <smw> TNZ_: that, and I think I am liking kubuntu alot better after I turn off compositing
[22:05] <yofel> I don't like the default theme much myself, but instead of gnome I can at least make it look the way I want
[22:05] <smw> the compositing was hurting my eyes because my computer is too slow to render the effects correctly
[22:05] <smw> not that I would want most of these effects :-\
[22:07] <TNZ_> smw : I see ... with ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa in your apt-list you'll get the last version ... quite good
[22:07] <TNZ_> I use compositing with an ATI 4870 under catalyst 10.10
[22:08] <smw> I have a few year old laptop that ran kde 3 and lxde just fine thank you :-P
[22:08]  * yofel uses compositing on his notebook with nvidia, but has it turned off on his eeePC
[22:08] <smw> wtf
[22:09] <smw> plasma workspace died unexpectedly.
[22:10] <smw> I used to use kde religiously, now I remember why I left it...
[22:10] <smw> the only improvement I can find is rekonq :-\
[22:12] <yofel> I haven't had any large issues since 4.3 here, except the network management plasmoid not handling bssid well
[22:13] <yofel> which reminds me I need to file a bug about that sometime...
[22:15] <smw> yofel: I am finding that too much stuff moves in kde now. I do not think that making stuff fade in/fade out helps :-P
[22:15] <smw> I hope I am not sounding like a troll :-\
[22:16] <yofel> I think you can disable the fading for the notifications and for most stuff - 'oxygen-settings' has a few options under 'animations'
[22:16] <smw> disabling compositing did alot
[22:16] <smw> I will look into oxygen settings
[22:16] <smw> I am installing ubuntu-desktop now
[22:17] <smw> I used to find that ubuntu got better with each release
[22:17] <smw> over the last 2-3 releases, I have found that they are getting worse
[22:18] <smw> it used to be that X failed to start until I installed video drivers.
[22:18] <yofel> IMHO it got better till jaunty, I switched to kubuntu with karmic, I haven't tried unity yet
[22:18] <smw> then X started to boot in safe graphics mode automatically
[22:18] <smw> I am talking about both
[22:19] <smw> then it started automatically in the right resolution
[22:19] <smw> so it incrementally got better
[22:19] <smw> now it took alot of work to use the virtual terminal to install the drivers
[22:20] <smw> it seems like things are getting worse, not better.
[22:20] <smw> Although, I must admit that it asking if I wanted to install flash and other stuff for rekonq was awesome...
[22:20] <yofel> no video problems here, intel works fine, and the nvidia drivers worked fine too after I installed them
[22:21] <smw> yofel: I wish mine worked so easily
[23:04] <smw> I gave up and converted my kubuntu install to an ubuntu one :-\.
[23:04] <smw> (I installed gnome)
[23:08] <dasKreech> smw: aww
[23:08] <dasKreech> what happened?
[23:09] <smw> dasKreech, did you see what I was saying earlier?
[23:09] <dasKreech> No just came in
[23:09] <dasKreech> scrolling up
[23:09] <dasKreech> Video drivers?
[23:09] <smw> that is an all around ubuntu problem
[23:10] <smw> I fixed that already
[23:10] <dasKreech> oh
[23:10] <smw> kubuntu was just annoying me with too many moving parts.
[23:10] <dasKreech> What's the all around problem?
[23:10] <dasKreech> Oh ha ha felt too busy?
[23:10] <smw> the video drivers was a *buntu problem
[23:10] <smw> not kde
[23:11] <smw> dasKreech, yep
[23:11] <smw> dasKreech, I moved to lxde 8-10 months ago
[23:11] <smw> I was on archlinux
[23:11] <smw> now I am moving back to ubuntu
[23:11] <smw> lxde -> kde is a "culture shock"
[23:12] <smw> moving in the other direction was much easier for me
[23:12] <smw> now, I just need to figure out how to put the x button on the right side in gnome...
[23:13] <smw> dasKreech, I think ubuntu reached its peak about 2-3 releases ago
[23:13] <dasKreech> smw: well a crest at least
[23:14] <dasKreech> Have to rethink things then rebuild to a new height
[23:14] <smw> now they have cool stuff to make it easier for people who are new to linux. But I feel like everything that matters is being ignored.
[23:14] <dasKreech> natural motion of communities and projects
[23:14] <smw> dasKreech, yeah, that is kde's current thing
[23:14] <dasKreech> yep
[23:14] <dasKreech> and openSuse
[23:14] <dasKreech> as well as Redhat
[23:14] <dasKreech> It'll happen
[23:15] <coz_> hey guys.. I have the plasma netbook installed, works fine ...but,,,, when I middle click on the desktop I keep getting this little yellow sqares at the bottom looking like notes  but have no idea how to get rid of them    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/yellow.png
[23:15] <smw> dasKreech, when "plasma desktop expectantly crashed" 10 minutes after I started using kde, I installed gnome.
[23:15] <coz_> I can also type in them like notes
[23:15] <dasKreech> Good thing is that In the land of the FOSS you can choose to ride it out, try different visions or priorites or just sit back on the old and reliable for as long as you want
[23:16] <dasKreech> I haven't had plasma crash on me in months. what did you do to trigger it?
[23:16] <smw> dasKreech, use my computer...
[23:16] <smw> I really don't know
[23:16] <dasKreech> that's different for each person :)
[23:16] <smw> I turned off compositing and stuff
[23:16] <smw> but that should not make it less stable
[23:17] <dasKreech> might
[23:17] <smw> I was just doing the very basic stuff. using quassel and rekonq
[23:17] <dasKreech> hmm
[23:17] <smw> btw, nice job to the kde team for rekonq. It was the one thing that impressed me :-D
[23:17] <dasKreech> not had tha happen in a long time
[23:19] <smw> dasKreech, it is my hope that kde does some work on their system. Also, do you know if there are any themes for kde that are minimal? I hate how much space it taken up
[23:20] <smw> dasKreech, I use xchat over xchat-gnome because xchat-gnome took up more space for the same stuff. I can not think of how to explain it
[23:23] <yofel> smw: what do you mean with 'how much space it taken up'? you can adjust the panel size and you can get rid of the desktop widgets (shouldn't be more than 2 by default)
[23:23] <yofel> you can even tell the desktop to show the desktop folder instead of widgets (I think)
[23:23] <yofel> about the moving: you *can* lock the widgets so the desktop behaves mostly static
[23:24]  * yofel goes looking for a screenshot of the default theme settings...
[23:25] <smw> yofel, I am more thinking of QT theme settings
[23:25] <smw> yofel, I will do some looking at some point
[23:25] <yofel> found one on the release announcement
[23:27] <yofel> er... what about the Qt theme takes up much space? The last time I looked at gnome in lucid it didn't take up much more, and you can adjust the size of the window borders
[23:28] <yofel> then again, I haven't looked much at lxde either, it was a bit too simple for me
[23:28] <dbc254> how can I find the id of my new wireless card?
[23:28] <yofel> dbc254: what do you mean with id? pci id? interface name? mac?
[23:29] <dbc254> PCI id?
[23:30] <James147> dbc254: try "sudo lshw -c network"
[23:35] <dbc254> how can I have an essid, if the card has never connected to anything?
[23:38] <yofel> aren't the essids returned when it scans for networks before you actually connect to something?
[23:40] <rats_> can anyone explain to me why watchdog goes zombie on me every minute or so
[23:40] <rats_> kubuntu 10.04
[23:54] <theannihilator> hi