[00:24] <mbergamo> It's not possible for me to install lubuntu by putting the ISO file on an external harddrive is it? It needs to be on a CD/DVD?
[00:25] <stlsaint> mbergamo: hrm, you can break off a small partition on that external and install lubuntu to it that way
[00:31] <mbergamo> stlsaint: I have a partition already made, I am just fresh out of CDs and impatient :)
[00:32] <stlsaint> install it to that partition then install to computer
[00:48] <smckillop> Hi all. Just installed Lubuntu for the first time. Did it in VMWare but my app windows look like they are about 200% size.
[00:49] <smckillop> I installed the vmware-tools package using the Synaptic package manager.
[00:50] <smckillop> my program bar and desktop look normal. Just the program windows are affected. Title bars look fine but the menus are huge
[09:38] <audio> Hi, all
[09:38] <audio> Is there a keyboard way of opening the LXDE "Start" menu?
[09:39] <bioterror> ctrl+esc
[09:40] <audio> bioterror: got it - thanks
[09:40] <bioterror> np
[09:40] <bioterror> in gnome alt+f1
[09:41] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: have you ever tried installing google earth on lubuntu? :D
[09:41] <bioterror> nope, should I
[09:41] <bioterror> ?
[09:41] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: nope. :D
[09:42] <bioterror> sad157@dopethrone:~$ sudo apt-get install googleearth-package
[09:42] <bioterror> password?!
[09:42] <bioterror> aa aaa aaaa you didnt say the magic word
[09:42] <bioterror> :D
[09:42] <JoeMaverickSett> lol :D
[09:42] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: you at work?
[09:43] <bioterror> sick leave
[09:43] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: how nice!? :P
[09:43] <bioterror> got 37,7C fever in the morning
[09:43] <JoeMaverickSett> :O
[09:43] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: take care! :)
[09:43] <bioterror> I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
[09:44] <bioterror> http://www.laughness.com/snl-gotta-have-more-cowbell-original-skit.1126 if you havent seen
[09:45] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, successfully installed Google earth on my 11yrs old Lubuntu! ;D
[09:45] <bioterror> 11 years ;D
[09:46] <JoeMaverickSett> yeah, old dude! and i run him 24/7. non-stop. :D
[09:46] <audio> Next problem - I am using a flat screen TV as a monitor.  Works really well with Gnome Ubuntu.  But resolution is wrong in Lubuntu.  I can't start, see or open the start menu so can't change it.
[09:46] <audio> Any other way?
[09:46] <bioterror> audio, tv's resolution is wrong :D
[09:47] <bioterror> it's 1366x768 or something like that if it's just a "hd ready"
[09:47] <szczur> press Alt+F2 and run lxrandr
[09:47] <bioterror> damn, I hate when people uses tv's as a monitor with old hardware
[09:47] <bioterror> nowdays laptops has a 16:9 displays
[09:47]  * bioterror is a former viewsonic tech support ;)
[09:47] <szczur> ^^
[09:48] <audio> szczur: OK I'll give it a try.
[09:48] <head_victim> tv /= monitor :/
[09:48] <szczur> audio if nothing will appear, run lxterminal
[09:48] <szczur> and then sudo apt-get install lxrandr
[09:48] <bioterror> I think that tv resolution should be done with xorg.conf and virtual
[09:49] <szczur> grandr is nice too
[09:58] <audio> szczur: Alt+F2 worked fine - The whole screen is now displayed.  But the fonts on the menu etc are too small to read.  Any suggestion how to increase their size?
[09:59] <szczur> run lxterminal
[09:59] <szczur> run sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:00] <szczur> to Monitor Section add line
[10:00] <szczur>     Option         "DPI" "96x96"
[10:01] <szczur> if this file is empty (probably nonexistent)
[10:01] <szczur> please run (write down these commands since XServer will be shut down)
[10:01] <szczur> sudo service lxde stop
[10:01] <szczur> sudo X -configure
[10:02] <szczur> this will create xorg.conf.new file located at your home folder
[10:02] <szczur> now please do sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:03] <szczur> sudo service lxdm start
[10:03] <szczur> and do the sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf thingy once again
[10:04] <audio> szczur: OK, I'll give it a shot.
[10:04] <szczur> what graphic card are you using?
[10:12] <petsounds> hi all. i have problem installing lubuntu maverick, the installer had crashed during installation. what gives? thanks
[10:13] <audio> szczur: This is going to be really tricky.  The fonts are so small that they are illegible.  I'm having to guess that the commands are constructed correctly.  BTW its leafpad rather than gedit.
[10:14] <szczur> ahh, i'm using gedit sorry
[10:14] <szczur> yeah, you can use your favourite editor
[10:14] <szczur> even nano in text mode would do the trick
[10:14] <szczur> :)
[10:14] <audio> I'll try nano.
[10:17] <audio> szczur: even in nano the text is illegible (too small) not my eyesight. Any suggestion how to gain even a temporary increase in size?
[10:17] <szczur> hmmm :/
[10:18] <audio> perhaps I should try an alternative screen resolution?
[10:18] <szczur> by text mode you mean that one accessed from Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[10:19] <szczur> not the LXTerminal?
[10:19] <audio> no I meant lxterminal
[10:19] <audio> so now shut down the xserver?
[10:20] <szczur> ahh, so you have to change resolution or go to the textmode :)
[10:20] <szczur> is xorg.conf empty?
[10:20] <szczur> if it is you have to shut down XServer
[10:20] <szczur> and do the sudo -X -configure
[10:20] <audio> I think so but I had to guess that I entered the path to the file correctly.
[10:21] <szczur> so you have to shutdown XServer then
[10:22] <szczur> sudo service lxdm stop
[10:22] <szczur> and do sudo X -configure
[10:22] <audio> OK
[10:22] <szczur> as i said before :)
[10:27] <audio> szczur: CTL+ALT+F1 is a problem as the text mode is "out of range of the TV".  I think I will have to try to reset the PC screen resolution and try again.  Lots of fun...
[10:27] <szczur> :/
[10:27] <szczur> *sigh*
[10:27] <audio> It's a shame really as it works fine with other distros.
[10:37] <audio> szczur: I have found a work-around using the GUI only.
[10:38] <szczur> what is it?
[10:38] <audio> Preferences->Monitor Setting  set to Auto & Auto.
[10:39] <audio> Preferences-> Look and Feel select theme Clearlooks and det the default font to 36
[10:39] <audio> *set
[10:40] <audio> this give a usable interface.
[10:40] <audio> now I can check the xorg.conf
[10:40] <szczur> ok
[10:41] <audio> BTW it would not allow the font size to be changed with Lubuntu-default theme so I had to change it to Clearlooks.
[10:45] <audio> szczur: /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not exist.  If the xserver has to be shut-down to create one it will be a problem as ctl+alt+f1 does not give a usable cli.
[10:45] <szczur> yeah, i know :/
[10:46] <szczur> hmmm
[10:50] <kosaidpo1> audio: iguess if u dont have non-free drives then u wont have it
[10:50] <kosaidpo1> its only for non free drives cards i guess
[10:50] <audio> szczur: To answer your earlier question the graphic adaptor is an on-board chip (SIS 65xM650/740 PCI/AGP) in an Acer machine.  I would think there are plenty of them around still.
[10:50] <szczur> but it can be used to alter the maximum resolution and DPI used by XServer
[10:54] <audio> I know of one site with hundreds of these machines in daily service.
[10:58] <JoeMaverickSett> would this help? http://www.myokyawhtun.com/ubuntu-linux/how-to-change-custom-resolution-in-ubuntu-10.html
[10:59] <szczur> hmm, we can try pretty default xorg.conf > http://szczur.ath.cx/xorg.conf
[10:59] <szczur> but if it fails you're stuch with out of range :/
[10:59] <szczur> maybe i should delete the modules section
[10:59] <szczur> the rest should be safe
[11:00] <szczur> JoeMaverickSett, the problem is that his DPI is low so every font in the system is small
[11:00] <JoeMaverickSett> szczur: oh,i thought he was having a resolution problem.
[11:00] <szczur> the default one is 96x96. i had 72x72 and i could barely read what i see
[11:01] <szczur> he set default font to size of 36
[11:03] <szczur> now without modules section it should be fail-safe :)
[11:10] <audio> szczur: do you want me to try the xorg.conf you posted earlier?
[11:10] <szczur> do you have the posibility to use textmode later? (if something fails?)
[11:11] <szczur> it should be safe but no one can be sure :)
[11:11] <audio> The only option I have is to replace the TV with a normal PC monitor.
[11:13] <szczur> if it wouldn't be problematic you can try this xorg.conf and tell me the results :)
[11:13] <szczur> but wait for a moment
[11:13] <szczur> i'll check it once more
[11:13] <audio> OK
[11:15] <szczur> ok, i removed the files section since i don't have on ein my xorg.conf
[11:15] <szczur> ok
[11:15] <szczur> let's try this :)
[11:15] <szczur> http://szczur.ath.cx/xorg.conf
[11:17] <audio> do I simply create it as /etc/X11/xorg.conf (as root) and then log out and back in again? Or do you want any other steps?
[11:19] <szczur> just create xorg.conf as root
[11:19] <szczur> and then restart XServer
[11:19] <szczur> (log out and log in)
[11:19] <szczur> this shoudl do the trick
[11:32] <audio> szczur: created xorg.conf as directed, rebooted (just to be safe) logged in but no change to symptoms.  Question should the file be named xorg.conf or Xorg.conf?  Currently it is xorg.conf (lowercase x).
[11:33] <szczur> yeah, it should be like that /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:49] <NativeAngels> how do i access the shell in the alternate version
[12:00] <NativeAngels> hello
[16:10] <hblount> hi. i have a fujitsu lifebook c2330. its an old laptop. i booted with lubuntu usb, but the sd card reader doesnt work. anyone know how to fix this?
[16:38] <hblount> hi. i have an old fujitsu lifebook c2330 that i booted lubuntu with usb drive but the SD card reader doesnt work. anyone know how to fix this?
[16:42] <Timo_> hblount: I would just come around again when there are helpers around here. phillw, szczur bioterror, friTTe| and others are guys with great knowledge about (l)ubuntu, they are just not here right now!
[16:43] <hblount> ok thanks.when are they usually around?
[16:43] <friTTe|> im here now, but i dont have the answer im afraid
[16:44] <friTTe|> just woke up =)
[16:45] <Timo_> hi phillw ;hug
[16:45] <Timo_> ;hug
[16:45] <Timo_> oh wait this isn't offtopic :p
[16:47] <hblount> i think i will just use ubuntu...it seems to have more drivers for misc things on laptops
[16:49] <Timo_> hblount: ye, that's part of lubuntu, it's lightweight
[16:49] <Timo_> oh
[16:49] <Timo_> well goodbye then :p
[16:49] <JoeMaverickSett> Timo_: who are you talking to? :P
[16:52] <Timo_> JoeMaverickSett: I was talking to hblount who left ;P
[16:52] <Timo_> but now is back
[16:53] <JoeMaverickSett> Timo_: :D
[16:53] <hblount> Timo_: what did u say?
[16:56] <bioterror> hblount, lubuntu has the same drivers as ubuntu
[16:56] <bioterror> the only difference is the candy on top
[16:56] <bioterror> same stuff inside
[16:57] <hblount> hmm...idk i'm noob. maybe its not drivers but some stuff that worked when i had ubuntu installed dont work with lubuntu :P
[16:58] <bioterror> what are you missing then?
[17:02] <hblount> some of the non qwerty buttons and side scroll with touchpad (vertical scroll works) and SD card reader. they worked with ubuntu
[17:06] <bioterror> hmmm
[17:06] <bioterror> that sd card reader should work
[17:06] <bioterror> hblount, can you see it in lspci?
[17:08] <hblount> idk let me check. i didnt see it in disk utility or file manager
[17:09] <bioterror> you've got SD or CF card inserted?
[17:10] <bioterror> 02:01.2 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 18)
[17:10] <bioterror> Ive got
[17:12] <hblount> it sees it in lspci
[17:12] <hblount> no its not in rightr now
[17:12] <hblount> put it in and do lspci?
[17:12] <bioterror> no
[17:12] <bioterror> put it in
[17:12] <bioterror> and do 'dmesg'
[17:14] <hblount> ok.it shows a bunch of msgs about pcmcia
[17:14] <bioterror> do you get sdX
[17:15] <bioterror> so that it tells us which device it is
[17:15] <bioterror> becouse I've got a feeling...
[17:15] <bioterror> that this is a PCManFM related thing
[17:18] <hblount> i dont see any sdX...
[17:19] <hblount> u want to me to post results on that one site? forgot url
[17:19] <bioterror> hmm
[17:19] <bioterror> !pastebin
[17:29] <bioterror> daamn
[17:29] <bioterror> I didnt have a SD card inside my D80
[17:56] <hblount> damn sorry this comp crashed (its xp :P). if your still there, pastebin.com/DpZtRg8t
[18:05] <bioterror> hblount, sounds weird
[18:05] <bioterror> I'll watch this episode of this tv show and grab a SD card from downstairs
[18:07] <hblount> ok thanks
[18:15] <bioterror> hblount, http://ricecows.org/mmc.png
[18:23] <hblount> phillw: so maybe my sd card reader is physically damaged? btw, what is that display with cpu/ram/network stuff?
[18:24] <bioterror> conky
[18:24] <bioterror> hblount, could be something wrong with it. mine works without a problem
[18:25] <phillw> hblount: I have one added to my panel, if you click on a blank area of the menu bar, you will see options to "add to panel" they are listed in there.
[18:27] <hblount> ok. would it make a difference if i installed lubuntu instead of live boot from usb?
[18:27] <bioterror> nope
[18:34] <hblount> phillw: if i install lubuntu rather than live boot via usb, would functionality improve?
[18:34] <bioterror> performance would
[18:35] <bioterror> USB 2.0 is around 5MB/s max when reading
[18:35] <bioterror> and harddrive goes 20-40MB/s
[18:35] <phillw> +1
[18:40] <hblount> so its highly unlikely that the sd card reader will work if i install it huh
[18:41] <bioterror> indeed
[18:41] <phillw> hblount: lspci is seeing your card reader, just not the card.
[18:41] <bioterror> try another card?
[18:41] <hblount> oooh
[18:41] <hblount> damnit
[18:41] <bioterror> my desktop computer's CF reader is broken :D
[18:41] <bioterror> and I use CF cards with my Nikon D1x
[18:41] <bioterror> D80 uses SDHC ;)
[18:42] <bioterror> but I've got a usb card reader too
[18:42] <phillw> bioterror: you can get usb card readers, I had one that read 21 different types :D
[18:42] <bioterror> yeah
[18:42] <bioterror> that's 8 types
[18:42] <phillw> lol, you took the words out of my mouth :)
[18:42] <hblount> the card is pretty new and i've only used it one time for pics...
[18:43] <hblount> i'd rather this laptop be broken than the sd card :P
[18:46] <bioterror> hard to say
[18:46] <hblount> ok. i'll try it on my friends comp later. dont have another sd card or comp with reader :P
[18:47] <hblount> i have very important pics of my ex naked on there. need for revenge
[18:47] <bioterror> well, I hope you're going to share those pics with us too ;D
[18:48] <bioterror> not really
[18:48] <bioterror> that kind of revenge is horrible
[18:48] <bioterror> "what goes to internet, stays on internet"
[18:50] <hblount> forever
[19:33] <rigved> hi everyone
[19:33] <rigved> can anyone tell me how close is lubuntu to ubuntu in terms of the look and the applications available
[19:45] <phillw> rigved: there are some screen shots at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/
[19:45] <phillw> rigved: give me min to dig up the applications list.
[19:45] <rigved> phillw: ok
[19:46] <bioterror> you can download all the apps to lubuntu what vanilla ubuntu has
[19:47] <phillw> rigved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications has the list of our default apps., but as bioterror says you can add to it if you wish.
[19:51] <rigved> bioterror, phillw: thanx.
[19:51] <rigved> so does LXDE use GTK+ library?
[19:51] <rigved> for looks
[19:52] <phillw> yeas, but there could be changes afoot as ubuntu drops gnome.
[19:53] <rigved> phillw: ya i have heard that too.
[19:53] <phillw> rigved: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=251
[19:53] <phillw> Julien is the head of development for lubuntu.
[19:53] <bioterror> and ubuntu is going to drop X11 :D
[19:54]  * bioterror is really looking forward for the wayland
[19:56] <rigved> phillw: :)
[19:56] <gilir> phillw, no ! ubuntu doesn't drop gnome
[19:56] <gilir> only the shell
[19:57] <rigved> bioterror: i haven't heard that. cool
[19:57] <phillw> rigved: I'm just one of the harrassed documenters that tries to keep docs and wiki etc up to date. gilir = Julien, our head of development
[19:58] <rigved> gilir: hi. ubuntu is working on gnome3 i think.
[19:59] <gilir> rigved, yes, the integration of gnome3 have just began for natty
[20:06] <rigved> on the website it says that lubuntu 10.04 is not the LTS version. i want stability (even if i do not have the latest of packages). so, should i install 10.04 or 10.10?
[20:08] <phillw> rigved: "As support for i586 chipsets has been dropped from the kernel for the 10.10 series (These include VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode) you will need to use the 10.04 Release. The team will support Lubuntu 10.04 for five years (as if it were an LTS). "
[20:09] <rigved> phillw: ok. i have a compaq laptop which only supports the low-level graphics mode of ubuntu. so i want to switch to something lighter.
[20:10] <phillw> rigved: it is entirely upto you whether to install 10.04 or 10.10, but 10.04 will be around for a while - we promise :)
[20:12] <rigved> so if i install lubuntu-desktop from ubuntu software center, will it install 10.04 0r 10.10. after that how to i remove gnome completely?
[20:13] <rigved> i found this - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcelucid
[20:13] <rigved> these commands are supposed to remove gnome
[20:17] <phillw> rigved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
[20:19] <phillw> but that is for 10.10. if you want to remove 10.04 ubuntu, just ammend the end comment as per that post.
[20:20] <rigved> phillw: thanx
[20:22] <phillw> as long as you stick on the -no reccomends stuff at the end, it should be fine. I do have to be honest and say I've never tried it with 10.04
[20:23] <rigved> phillw: ok
[20:31] <rigved> ok. thanx. i'll try that tomorrow. bye