[00:27] <blahdeblah> Hi folks, way off-topic i know, but can anyone point me to the right place on the ABS web site where i can download a list of towns in Queensland and their total population?
[00:40] <ptl> blahdeblah: maybe you can ask that in ##australia
[01:12] <sagaci> VK7HSE: sorry, do you resell the stickers, or do I have to buy them from overseas
[02:27] <VK7HSE> Oh he/she be gone, but no I don't ;)
[04:58] <caryb> Hi Scott
[05:27] <kaushal> hi
[05:27] <kaushal> can someone please comment on my post in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-November/233969.html
[06:15] <kaushal> checking in again for my query ?
[06:59] <VK7HSE> kaushal: are ye still there ?
[07:01] <kaushal> VK7HSE: yes
[07:02] <kaushal> VK7HSE: do you have any clue about my issue ?
[07:03] <VK7HSE> kaushal: Ok can you open a terminal, and then type the name of the application ... it should give some text back as to why it's (the program) fails to load..
[07:03] <kaushal> ok
[07:03] <kaushal> VK7HSE: when i type firefox in CLI it works fine
[07:04] <kaushal> the issue occurs when i try to launch it from Menu 
[07:04] <kaushal> nothing of the programs launch via menu
[07:05] <VK7HSE> So have you been deleting any hidden files ? namely .profile ?
[07:05] <kaushal> ok
[07:06] <VK7HSE> scrap that, your X session would coplain bitterly if it was missing stuff or only had partial info it needs..
[07:06] <kaushal> you mean ls -la /home/user/.profile ?
[07:07] <VK7HSE> that will tell you the file properties...
[07:08] <kaushal> yeah
[07:09] <kaushal> i didnot understand
[07:09] <kaushal> what next to be done ?
[07:10] <VK7HSE> How recent has this been an issue ? like has it only started since a recent update, or has it been like it for a while
[07:10] <jfer> you could try simply purging the package then reinstalling it. this should resolve most configuration issues.
[07:10] <kaushal> it worked fine till last week but stop functioning this week
[07:11] <kaushal> nothing weird in logs
[07:11] <kaushal> either daemon.log or syslog or dmesg 
[07:11] <VK7HSE> jfer: purging doesn't remove any customisations that reside in the user home dir. so it may still exist...
[07:13] <jfer> yes true, but it would narrow the problem down to this
[07:14] <VK7HSE> kaushal: Do you have the testing & backports enabled in synaptic ?
[07:17] <kaushal> VK7HSE: yes
[07:18] <VK7HSE> kaushal: what version of ubuntu are you using? (I'm a Debian user these days!)
[07:18] <kaushal> 10.04
[07:18] <kaushal> 10.04.1
[07:20] <nisshh> kaushal, oh, if you want a stable desktop you should disable the testing and backports repos
[07:20] <VK7HSE> ok, So if I'm understanding the issue, you attempt to launch a program from the menu and it simply doesn't start..
[07:20] <kaushal> VK7HSE: yes
[07:20] <nisshh> kaushal, can you right click on the menu in the top left and hit edit menu please
[07:21] <nisshh> (i think that still works anyway)
[07:21] <kaushal> yes
[07:21] <kaushal> what next ?
[07:21] <nisshh> kaushal, ok, now find, say, the firefox launcher in there, and double click it
[07:22] <nisshh> in the dialog that pops up
[07:22] <kaushal> ok
[07:22] <kaushal> next ?
[07:22] <nisshh> got it?
[07:22] <kaushal> yes
[07:22] <nisshh> ok, once you double click it
[07:22] <nisshh> a dialog box should open
[07:22] <kaushal> yes it opened
[07:22] <nisshh> look for the 'command' field
[07:22] <kaushal> yes
[07:23] <nisshh> what does it say in there for firefox?
[07:23] <kaushal> firefox %u
[07:23] <nisshh> ok
[07:23] <nisshh> thats fine
[07:23] <nisshh> and firefox doesnt launch in the menu?
[07:23] <kaushal> please give me a moment
[07:23] <nisshh> sure
[07:23] <VK7HSE> nisshh: thatks dude ;)
[07:24] <VK7HSE> *thanks even!
[07:24] <nisshh> VK7HSE, no probs, i just thought that might be the issue, apparently not though
[07:24] <VK7HSE> that's what I was about to go into, but ya beat me to it ...
[07:24] <nisshh> ah ok :)
[07:25] <nisshh> VK7HSE, i suspect its because kaushal has testing and backports enabled
[07:25] <nisshh> it then updated the menu's package which possible introduced a new bug
[07:25] <nisshh> or something along those lines
[07:26] <VK7HSE> I had this happen back on Hardy, but I'm buggered what was the cause now... that maybe possible, but there isn't much content going into those repos now though ...
[07:26] <nisshh> true
[07:30] <VK7HSE> kaushal: at worst, if you can't get it resolved simply backup all your data from your home directory and re-install ... sometimes that's just quicker than tearing hair out trying to find what has/did go wrong ;)
[07:31] <nisshh> yeah
[07:31] <kaushal> yes
[07:31] <kaushal> very true
[07:31] <nisshh> kaushal, also, if you end up doing that, upgrade to 10.10 at the same time :)
[07:31] <kaushal> is there a way to know what all repositories has been enabled ?
[07:31]  * VK7HSE Or Debian! :)
[07:31] <kaushal> or just peek it in sources.list ?
[07:32] <VK7HSE> kaushal: by default the backports and testing are disabled ...
[07:32] <nisshh> VK7HSE, lol, i dont like debian :|
[07:32] <VK7HSE> nisshh: but you use ubuntu right ? :P
[07:32] <kaushal> the release cycle if Debian is slow
[07:32] <kaushal> of*
[07:33] <VK7HSE> I'm on sid as I develop ..
[07:33] <kaushal> once in every 2 years
[07:33] <VK7HSE> err maintain is the correct term!
[07:33] <kaushal> nisshh: any clue
[07:33] <nisshh> VK7HSE, yeah, but debian configures sudo all strange, and all the packages are outdated unless you use testing or unstable or whatever
[07:33] <nisshh> kaushal, hmmmm? any clue as to what?
[07:34] <kaushal> I mean about repositories ?
[07:34] <kaushal> backport or testing ?
[07:34] <nisshh> VK7HSE, and debians choice of default apps is meh
[07:34] <nisshh> kaushal, what about them?
[07:34] <kaushal> to see if its enables
[07:34] <kaushal> enabled*
[07:35] <darkrose> nisshh: ubuntu = testing + random bloat
[07:35] <kaushal> where can i see the setting
[07:35] <VK7HSE> nisshh: no Debian simply doesn't configure the first account and make it GOD! all ya have to do is include the user in the adm/admin group and sudoers list in /etc and your done! ... anyhoow! I'm diverging off the topic ...
[07:35] <VK7HSE> darkrose: :)
[07:35] <nisshh> VK7HSE, oohhhh :)
[07:36] <nisshh> darkrose, hehe, i agree with you there, im still in the market for an alternative to GNOME
[07:36] <nisshh> still havent found one
[07:36] <VK7HSE> nisshh: and Ubuntu's choice of Unity is.... err well lets say bloody stupid! ... :D 
[07:36] <darkrose> fluxbox ftw!
[07:36] <nisshh> VK7HSE, i have mixed feelings on that front
[07:37] <nisshh> darkrose, no, not fluxbox :)
[07:37] <VK7HSE> nisshh: KDE if you have 16 cores and a gazllion GB of RAM !!!
[07:37] <nisshh> kaushal, in 10.04.1 open a terminal and execute this: software-properties-gtk
[07:37]  * VK7HSE has to go don the chef's cap and burn some chops on the BBQ ... BBL
[07:38] <darkrose> heh
[07:38] <nisshh> VK7HSE, in my experience KDE is about the same as GNOME in resource usage
[07:38] <darkrose> cya VK7HSE 
[07:38] <nisshh> cya VK7HSE 
[07:39] <nisshh> darkrose, will you help me on thy quest for a better window manager/desktop environment?
[07:40] <darkrose> fluxbox, quest complete
[07:41] <nisshh> lol
[07:41] <darkrose> heh
[07:41] <nisshh> should have figured
[07:41] <darkrose> work out what you want, then write one
[07:41] <nisshh> oh yeah
[07:41] <nisshh> thatll take me all of 5 minutes
[07:42] <darkrose> would it take any longer than trying to find the perfect wm from what already exists?
[07:43] <head_victim> nisshh: lubuntu would probably do the trick on your machine
[07:43] <head_victim> Nice mix of easy to use and light
[07:43] <nisshh> head_victim, yeah, ive tried it but i hate the bar at the bottom, it reminds me of windows :)
[07:44] <head_victim> Hah move it?
[07:44] <nisshh> apart from that i love lubuntu though
[07:44] <nisshh> oh you can move it now?
[07:44] <head_victim> Didn't know there was a time you couldn't move it
[07:44] <head_victim> I've only used it for the last couple of months though
[07:44]  * nisshh shrugs
[07:45] <darkrose> nisshh: try `apt-get remove xorg-server`
[07:45] <nisshh> darkrose, lol, take me for a fool do you?
[07:45] <nisshh> wait, dont answer that
[07:45] <darkrose> >.>
[07:45] <head_victim> It's the only thing that made sense on this 2.4 celeron. That being said I've just splurged on a 3.0 ht intel cpu for this instead.
[07:45] <nisshh> head_victim, lol
[07:46] <kaushal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/528557/
[07:46] <nisshh> head_victim, i have tried heaps: window maker, wm2, windowlab, xmonad, xfce, kde, gnome, dwm, awesome, etc
[07:46] <kaushal> nisshh: that was meant for you
[07:46] <nisshh> kaushal, looking
[07:46] <head_victim> nisshh: yeah I did a bunch in VMs to try and work out what I wanted.
[07:47] <darkrose> nisshh just hasn't worked out why fluxbox is perfect for him yet
[07:47] <nisshh> darkrose, oh? do tell
[07:47] <nisshh> head_victim, yeah, its a tough decision :)
[07:48] <nisshh> i did stick with wmii for a few weeks at one point but got annoyed and went back to gnome
[07:48] <head_victim> nisshh: I just wanted something similar enough to gnome so that I didn't have to have 2 separate systems connected side by side via synergy.
[07:48] <nisshh> ah yeah
[07:49] <head_victim> It was weird having something like fluxbox and gnome side by side.
[07:49] <nisshh> lol, i bet
[07:49] <nisshh> kaushal, whats that from? a logfile?
[07:51] <nisshh> i might try DR17 again, i havent tried that for about 3 cycles
[08:42] <kaushal> nisshh: you around ?
[08:42] <nisshh> kaushal, yep, sorry i was just trying out a desktop environment
[08:42] <kaushal> np
[08:42] <nisshh> kaushal, whats up?
[08:43] <kaushal> that was from .xsession-errors
[08:43] <kaushal> the one which i pastebin it
[08:43] <nisshh> ah ok
[08:43] <nisshh> doesnt seem to be anything in there that i can see would affect your menu
[08:43] <kaushal> so i think now its better to reinstall OS
[08:43] <nisshh> but im no linux guru
[08:44] <kaushal> instead of wasting time
[08:44] <nisshh> kaushal, i would
[08:44] <nisshh> kaushal, need a link to the right ISO?
[08:44] <kaushal> sure
[08:44] <nisshh> ok
[08:44] <nisshh> kaushal, you want 10.10 standard desktop? 32bit?
[08:44] <kaushal> nope
[08:44] <blahdeblah>  nisshh: Did you end up trying icewm?
[08:44] <kaushal> its buggy actually
[08:45] <kaushal> i would endorse 10.04 LTS
[08:45] <nisshh> blahdeblah, i think i have, didnt like it heaps from what i remember
[08:45] <nisshh> kaushal, most of us are on 10.10, it has been stable for ages
[08:45]  * blahdeblah is not!
[08:45] <nisshh> kaushal, and it was released as a stable release weeks ago
[08:45]  * darkrose isn't either
[08:46] <nisshh> i said MOST OF US dammit! :)
[08:47] <darkrose> 4 active users, 1 on 10.10... 1 out of 4 is most ?
[08:47] <nisshh> darkrose, meh, i meant most of the people in the channel not the ones trying to prove me wrong
[08:47] <head_victim> +1 on 10.10
[08:47] <nisshh> :)
[08:47] <blahdeblah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXqM0tL1OgQ
[08:47] <head_victim> :D
[08:47] <head_victim> But I also have a 10.04 and a 8.04
[08:48] <blahdeblah> ++darkrose
[08:48] <nisshh> hehe
[08:48] <blahdeblah> "Everyone who counts loves 10.04!"
[08:48] <nisshh> hehe
[08:48] <head_victim> Aww nisshh and I don't count :/
[08:48] <blahdeblah> :-P
[08:48] <nisshh> well
[08:48] <blahdeblah> nisshh: I just substitute the default GNOME window manager for icewm. In all other respects mine is a standard GNOME desktop.
[08:49] <nisshh> i LOVED 10.04 :)
[08:49] <head_victim> blahdeblah: hey the local repo thing you were thinking of, did you already have a spare nas you were going to use?
[08:49] <blahdeblah> head_victim: no
[08:49] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I've run a test on my home connection and have over 50gb in a few hours so I think it's viable.
[08:49] <blahdeblah> I just created a 450 GB jfs and was rsyncing into it.
[08:49] <nisshh> blahdeblah, yeah, ill try it again, i cant remember
[08:49] <blahdeblah> head_victim: cool
[08:50] <blahdeblah> It took me about 2-3 days to get 110 GB before i stopped.
[08:50] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I think it's a really good idea actually, would have helped out someone who emailed me offlist from the wiki page the other week.
[08:50] <blahdeblah> If you've got cable and unmetered traffic to aarnet, it would probably work pretty well.
[08:51] <head_victim> Anyone have any suggestions on brand/model for a relatively cheap 2 hdd slot nas with half decent output?
[08:51] <head_victim> blahdeblah: that's exactly my setup :)
[08:51] <blahdeblah> head_victim: My main server is Debian running on a QNAP TS-219P
[08:51] <nisshh> head_victim, i could post to Planet Ubuntu if you like?
[08:51] <blahdeblah> nisshh: I can do that too - my feed works now
[08:52] <blahdeblah> nisshh: Whoops - just realised you weren't talking to me
[08:52] <nisshh> cool
[08:52] <head_victim> Ah I have a deskop quad core 2.33 as my main "server"
[08:52] <nisshh> lol
[08:52] <head_victim> Feel free guys
[08:52] <blahdeblah> I'm trying to downsize my power requirements
[08:52] <blahdeblah> QNAP uses 21 W max
[08:53] <head_victim> I was looking into that but I wanted something that I could do other things with it as well like game server and stuff.
[08:54] <head_victim> I just know a lot of the cheaper nas's (like external caddies) have pretty poor network performance.
[08:54] <blahdeblah> There's a core 2 duo version
[08:54] <head_victim> So I was looking for personal experiences if possible.
[08:54] <blahdeblah> It's just dearer
[08:55] <blahdeblah> http://www.qnap.com/images/products/comparison/Comparison_NAS.html
[08:56] <head_victim> No throughput that I can see though
[08:57] <nisshh> head_victim, any specific features you would like besides 2 hard drive capacity?
[08:57] <head_victim> nisshh: not that I can really think of. As long as it can sit on a network and act as a repository.
[08:57] <blahdeblah> nisshh: My laptop with icewm running: http://libertysys.com.au/node/88
[08:57] <nisshh> head_victim, ok
[08:58] <nisshh> blahdeblah, oh, very nice
[08:58] <head_victim> So I guess that will need some sort of web server software.
[08:59] <blahdeblah> nisshh: I'm a minimalist - i just like the things i use regularly right at hand, and maximum room for terminal, browser, and email windows.
[08:59] <blahdeblah> Plus i use fixed tasks for each of the 12 virtual desktops - games on 1, email on 2, password manager on 3, etc.
[09:00] <nisshh> blahdeblah, i do a similar thing, i like: 1 - web, 2 - irc, 3 - music, 4 - misc
[09:01] <blahdeblah> yep
[09:01]  * darkrose has email/irc in a tabbed window on screen 2 for all desktops
[09:02] <nisshh> darkrose, two screens is completely different
[09:02] <nisshh> :)
[09:03] <nisshh> blahdeblah, what application is the sheep icon?
[09:06] <blahdeblah> nisshh: workrave - forces periodic rest breaks
[09:06] <nisshh> blahdeblah, ah, ive heard of that :)
[09:08] <head_victim> That's the one thing I miss about smoking. Forced rest breaks.
[09:08] <darkrose> heh
[09:08] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Workrave is healthier :-)
[09:08] <nisshh> lol
[09:09] <darkrose> pfft, 100% of non-smokers die, therefore, smoking is healthy
[09:09] <head_victim> Plus it apparently has a cute sheep icon. What more could you ask for
[09:09] <blahdeblah> darkrose: Spoken like a true addict ;-)
[09:09] <darkrose> :D
[09:09] <blahdeblah> So who-all is going to linux.conf.au?
[09:10] <nisshh> darkrose, the difference is we dont have a hard life and we can usually run more than 10 feet before collapsing :)
[09:10] <blahdeblah> ++nisshh
[09:10] <nisshh> blahdeblah, im not
[09:10] <darkrose> nisshh: who needs to run when you've got a computer?
[09:11] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I'm going, decided to not volunteer either so I can spend time getting to sus things out.
[09:11]  * blahdeblah just realises he's missed out on the early bird bookings by 1 day. :-(
[09:11] <head_victim> They spent too much time bbuggering around with details for volunteering
[09:11] <blahdeblah> That's right - i was going to volunteer.
[09:11] <nisshh> darkrose, good point, but what if the cops chase you when you try and hack into FBI servers?
[09:12] <darkrose> nisshh you worthless newbcaek, 'hack'? tch tch
[09:12] <blahdeblah> ++darkrose
[09:13] <nisshh> darkrose, oh sorry, did i just annoy a gentoo user?
[09:13] <blahdeblah> Unforgivable, nisshh!  We only call malicious breakins "crack" around here.
[09:13] <nisshh> lol
[09:15] <blahdeblah> nisshh: Calling things the right thing is no laughing matter, young man! >:o
[09:15]  * nisshh goes and cries in the corner
[09:16] <blahdeblah> And don't come out until breakfast!
[09:17]  * blahdeblah goes on a workrave-enforced break - might not be back tonight.  Have fun folks!
[09:17] <nisshh> :)
[09:17] <head_victim> Night blahdeblah meeting in nearly 2 hours though
[10:01] <MoLE_> nisshh, are you still chairing?
[10:02] <nisshh> MoLE_, yep
[10:02] <nisshh> MoLE_, you know the meeting isnt for another hour right?
[10:03] <MoLE_> no sorry, I thought it was 2100 AEST
[10:03] <nisshh> MoLE_, oh you thought it was now?
[10:03] <MoLE_> yep, sorry
[10:04] <MoLE_> someone forgot to change the topic
[10:04] <nisshh> MoLE_, thats fine, its only an hour away :)
[10:04] <nisshh> lol, your right :)
[10:04] <nisshh> oh wait
[10:04] <MoLE_> I am? Sweeet
[10:04] <nisshh> 2100 AEST is right
[10:04] <nisshh> not wrong :)
[10:05] <nisshh> MoLE_, 2100 AEST is 9PM
[10:05] <nisshh> which is right
[10:05] <darkrose> AEST != AEDT
[10:05] <nisshh> oh yeah
[10:05] <nisshh> i forgot about daylight savings
[10:05] <nisshh> darkrose, we dont have it here, so i get confused
[10:05] <darkrose> neither do we
[10:05] <sagaci> is the meeting now
[10:06] <nisshh> sagaci, no, its in an hour
[10:06] <darkrose> no, it's at 9pm
[10:06] <sagaci> ah ok, always getting it wrong
[10:06] <sagaci> ty
[10:06] <darkrose> np
[10:06] <nisshh> darkrose, i thought every state except WA has it?
[10:06] <MoLE_> nisshh, and the NT and Qld
[10:06] <sagaci> qld don't
[10:06] <nisshh> oh, bugger me
[10:06] <MoLE_> actually less than half the country has daylight savings
[10:07] <sagaci> it's ok, i just hate adjusting to it
[10:07] <MoLE_> +1 sagaci 
[10:07] <sagaci> it goes for too many months
[10:07] <darkrose> you lot should start pushing to have it abollished
[10:07] <MoLE_> so, given that it is 2100 AEST and that's when the meeting is supposed to start, can we get started?
[10:07] <darkrose> no
[10:08] <darkrose> it's 2000 AEST
[10:08] <darkrose> you're confusing AEST with AEDT
[10:08] <sagaci> it's 2108 AEDST
[10:08] <sagaci> :P
[10:09] <nisshh> ok
[10:09] <darkrose> and if you read the topic it says GMT+10
[10:09] <sagaci> well what's qld's time atm?
[10:09] <MoLE_> This is doing my head in :P
[10:09] <nisshh> now i kind of get it
[10:09] <nisshh> :)
[10:09] <darkrose> so, it's an hour away
[10:10] <nisshh> GMT + 10 is non-DST
[10:10] <darkrose> yep, standard time
[10:10] <MoLE_> my apologies for being dense
[10:10] <darkrose> *eastern
[10:10] <nisshh> hehe
[10:11] <MoLE_> BBL then
[10:11] <head_victim> I hate time zones
[10:11] <nisshh> yeah
[10:11] <darkrose> head_victim: me too
[10:11] <darkrose> we should all just stick to utc
[10:11] <darkrose> or stardates
[10:11] <nisshh> lol
[10:11] <MoLE_> It seem strange that it's currently later in Adelaide than in Brisbane.
[10:12] <sagaci> anyone else going to lca
[10:12] <MoLE_> sagaci, hoping to.  I think it's on the agenda for tonight
[10:12] <head_victim> sagaci: I am
[10:12] <head_victim> Booked and paid for
[10:13] <sagaci> Yeah, i've booked and paid, just sorting out accommodation with urbanest
[10:13] <head_victim> I live 50 - 10 min drive from the site so I'm staying at home ;)
[10:13] <head_victim> 5-10 sorry
[10:14] <sagaci> fair enough, is it your first lca
[10:14] <head_victim> Yep, figured I was only likely to afford it when it was in Brisbane
[10:14] <MoLE_> I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in the topics.  There doesn't seem to be much for the newbies
[10:15] <sagaci> yeah, which I am. :>... but anyway, I'm just happy to go and hear the technical spatters
[10:17] <MoLE_> I will probably bring the family along for the open day
[10:17] <head_victim> The tutorials are all still TBA, hoping some of them come through
[10:18] <head_victim> I'm also hoping we can have a booth at the open day but I need someone with some experence helping/guiding.
[10:19] <MoLE_> head_victim, I can help you if I can get there
[10:19] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane
[10:22] <MoLE_> I've not done booth promotion but I can make it up as I go along...
[10:22] <sagaci> head_victim: free stickers?
[10:23] <head_victim> Hah yeah I'm willing to be a "I'll be there and talk and take photos" but I wouldn't mind some guidance in what to take how many people we'll need,e tc.
[10:23] <head_victim> sagaci: well I was hoping if we had enough support we could write to the shipit people and ply our story even though we aren't an approved team anymore. If we were approved we'd have access to all sorts of goodies.
[10:24] <head_victim> Hence why I was trying to pre plan.
[10:24] <head_victim> BUT that would need to happen asap to allow for delivery.
[10:32] <MoLE_> head_victim, yep, Christmas getting in the way now.
[10:33] <head_victim> MoLE_: indeed :/
[10:35] <MoLE_> I've been waiting a month for an android tablet to come from HK.
[10:37] <head_victim> nisshh: 20 minute out ping!
[10:38] <nisshh> head_victim, thanks, dinner is in a few minutes but i can eat and IRC at the same time :)
[10:38] <head_victim> nisshh: no worries mate
[10:39] <nisshh> :)
[10:39] <head_victim> I should put some food on for myself.
[10:39] <blahdeblah> nisshh: Dude, what timezone are you in?  It's practically bed time here! :-)
[10:39] <nisshh> blahdeblah, GMT + 8
[10:39] <nisshh> lol
[10:39] <blahdeblah> Perth?
[10:40] <head_victim> blahdeblah: you're still here :) I had a thought for our loco nas box. I'm getting a new cpu for this machine so what if I just turned this 2.4 celeron inside a rackmount case (with handles to make it semi-portable) and just used that?
[10:41] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Sounds big
[10:41] <nisshh> blahdeblah, south of Perth but same time zone
[10:41] <head_victim> Yeah it's a normal desktop size it's what I have all my pc's in now.
[10:41] <head_victim> I was trying to reduce overheads.
[10:43] <nisshh> head_victim, we should call you "The Rack Guy"
[10:43] <nisshh> :)
[10:44] <nisshh> quail, ping
[10:44] <head_victim> nisshh: well I was given 4 racks of varying heights, and bought 10 rackmount cases for somewhere under 80 bucks a hit so I guess I just use what I have? :P
[10:44] <nisshh> head_victim, yeah, true :)
[10:45] <blahdeblah> My QNAP is only 150 x 102 x 216 mm http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_hardware.asp?p_id=122
[10:45] <head_victim> They're heavy as but at least with handles built in they're reasonably easy to move (the cases that is)
[10:45] <blahdeblah> nisshh: He's definitely the rack guy.  ;-)
[10:45] <head_victim> blahdeblah: wanna buy one for the loco then? :P
[10:45] <nisshh> blahdeblah, hehe
[10:45] <blahdeblah> What loco?  :-P
[10:45] <head_victim> blahdeblah: true you've seen the cases.
[10:45] <quail> nisshh: pong
[10:45] <blahdeblah> I reckon a laptop with a 640 GB hard disk would be the go.
[10:46] <nisshh> quail, you going to be attending the meeting that starts in 15 minutes?
[10:46] <head_victim> Those black ones in the racks that were here, that would be the case. I'm open to other smaller options but can't see a cheaper option.
[10:46] <quail> nisshh: am I needed?
[10:46] <nisshh> quail, no, but the more people we get, the more discussion we can have
[10:47] <nisshh> last meeting we only had 7 people or something
[10:47] <quail> nisshh: I find it hard to keep up with irc meetings
[10:47] <nisshh> elky, VK7HSE, krups ^^^^^
[10:47]  * blahdeblah is feeling like cr@p - fighting a gut infection
[10:47] <nisshh> quail, what do you mean?
[10:47] <darkrose> get a $50 laptop from ebay, add a usb external hard drive to it
[10:48] <quail> nisshh: my dyslexia
[10:48] <nisshh> quail, ah ok
[10:48] <blahdeblah> ++darkrose
[10:48] <head_victim> Well I could use that laptop you donated to me blahdeblah and get a usb drive?
[10:48] <blahdeblah> Ugh - i had hoped that laptop was dead by now...
[10:49] <head_victim> blahdeblah: haha nah it runs fine. I have Lubuntu on it now
[10:49] <head_victim> It just doesn't play Urban Terror otherwise it would have been PERFECT for what I needed.
[10:49] <darkrose> heh
[10:49] <blahdeblah> :-)
[10:52] <head_victim> I'm waiting for Telstra to whinge at me. I'm 100gb into the repositories.
[10:52] <darkrose> heh
[10:53] <head_victim> If I drop offline.....
[10:53] <blahdeblah> Why would they whinge?  I thought aarnet was quota-free...
[10:53] <nisshh> head_victim, i had my first telstra dropout since i switched to openDNS yesterday
[10:53] <head_victim> It is but surely there is something to do with their AUP somewhere.
[10:53] <nisshh> my net dropped out 3 times yesterday
[10:54] <blahdeblah> I wouldn't have thought the AUP had anything about quota free sites in it.
[10:54] <head_victim> nisshh: I had an "upgrade" in the exchange yesterday so I had to use wireless and then had 3 dropouts today. I assume they were linked.
[10:54] <sagaci> head_victim: i've downloaded 200gb in a day off aarnet
[10:54] <head_victim> sagaci: ok I'm safe then was worried.
[10:54] <nisshh> head_victim, probably
[10:54] <head_victim> It should only hit 4-500 gb I *think* from then on it's only updates which will be heaps less.
[10:54] <sagaci> have you got that new telstra ultimate usb
[10:55] <head_victim> Nah, cable and a home network gateway on wireless.
[10:55] <nisshh> last month i saved nearly 7GB's of bandwidth because i use aarnet, its so sweet! :)
[10:55] <head_victim> nisshh: I'm over 100gb into it in the last 12 or so hours ;)
[10:55] <nisshh> heh, nice :)
[10:55] <sagaci> i'm glad it's unmetered, i'm only on the 50gb adsl2 but it's make a big difference if they metered it
[10:55] <head_victim> Getting 3 - 4 MB/s depending on filesize I think.
[10:56] <blahdeblah> nice
[10:56] <sagaci> wish i was near cable
[10:56] <jfer> head_victim: what are you downloading that is 100GB. the whole ubuntu mirror??
[10:56] <head_victim> jfer: actually, yes.
[10:56] <sagaci> err, how are you doing it
[10:56] <sagaci> rsync
[10:57] <head_victim> blahdeblah: had an awesome idea that if we held local tech meetings it would be nice to have a local mirror.
[10:57] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah
[10:57] <sagaci> how long do you think it'll take
[10:57] <head_victim> I found http://adinugro.blogspot.com/2007/09/mirroring-repository-using-rsync.html
[10:57] <head_victim> sagaci: depends I have only been running it while at the pc so far. If I leave it over night should be done tomorrow at this rate.
[10:57] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Don't forget free wifi too!  :-)
[10:57] <sagaci> yeah, are you doing everything
[10:57] <jfer> ok i will make a note of that as i will be setting up a network with ubuntu next year
[10:58] <sagaci> iso's, releases etc
[10:58] <nisshh> brb in 5 minutes, i just need to hang out some washing
[10:58] <head_victim> blahdeblah: hah well if it were here I'd probably open the AP for the afternoon
[10:58] <head_victim> But yeah, I was thinking a library might have what we need?>
[10:59] <head_victim> I guess it depends on how many want to come.
[11:00] <blahdeblah> Mostly libraries have crappy wifi, though
[11:01] <head_victim> I haven't been to one in 10+ years :/
[11:02] <MoLE_> time for a meeting yet?
[11:02] <head_victim> nisshh: should be back any minute
[11:02] <firtvid20> Yay! Got a new hard drive, now I can has bigger Ubuntu partition
[11:03] <blahdeblah> My crappy ADSL2+ is syncing at 4219 Kbps - max download from iiNet mirror 500 KB/s :-(
[11:03] <head_victim> blahdeblah: my condolences 
[11:03] <jfer> head_victim:what speeds are you getting?
[11:04] <head_victim> I have seen a max of 4.2 MB/s
[11:04] <head_victim> To aarnet.
[11:05] <jfer> nice
[11:05] <nisshh> ok, im here
[11:05] <nisshh> im back rather
[11:05] <nisshh> shall we start?
[11:05] <jfer> yes indeed
[11:05] <blahdeblah> Go for it
[11:06] <nisshh> ok
[11:06] <nisshh> #startmeeting
[11:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:06. The chair is nisshh.
[11:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:06]  * blahdeblah goes to get vegemite
[11:06] <nisshh> meeting agenda is here:
[11:06] <nisshh> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings
[11:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings 
[11:07] <nisshh> first topic is:
[11:07] <nisshh> [TOPIC] Monthly Reports
[11:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Monthly Reports 
[11:07] <nisshh> head_victim, take it away
[11:07] <nisshh> head_victim.....
[11:08] <head_victim> Well one of the main things holding us back I feel is documentation
[11:08] <head_victim> So I was willing to step up and offer time to organise the wiki monthly report as described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamsBestPracticesandGuidelines
[11:09] <nisshh> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamsBestPracticesandGuidelines
[11:09] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamsBestPracticesandGuidelines 
[11:09] <head_victim> The only thing is people need to have input into events/etc, much like the website it's only as good as what people are willing to contribute.
[11:09] <head_victim> Obviously there would be collaboration with our web team ( blahdeblah )
[11:10] <head_victim> So that's what I wanted to say, ideas from the floor as to if this is worth the time?
[11:10] <MoLE_> +1 from /me - would be willing to contribute
[11:10] <nisshh> while we get ideas from others, can i also get a headcount as to who is here?
[11:10] <MoLE_> here
[11:10]  * darkrose is here
[11:11] <nisshh> head_victim, i would be willing to help also
[11:11]  * darkrose also agrees it's generally a good idea
[11:11] <nisshh> jfer, sagaci, firtvid20, you here?
[11:11] <jfer> yes
[11:12] <head_victim> So I guess if I work on "building it" in the hopes "they will come" ?
[11:12] <sagaci> hey
[11:12] <darkrose> heh, sounds like the best approach head_victim 
[11:12] <jfer> i think that if we want to regain offical LoCo status it is important
[11:12] <nisshh> i agree
[11:12]  * game2 is here
[11:13]  * MoLE_ proposes that we accept head_victim 
[11:13]  * blahdeblah wonders when he became the web team
[11:13] <nisshh> blahdeblah, when you got listed on the wiki
[11:13] <nisshh> :)
[11:13] <head_victim> blahdeblah: you're on the wiki as an admin sorry
[11:13] <jfer> what are the benefits of being an official LoCo?
[11:13] <blahdeblah> there are 2 other people there...
[11:13] <nisshh> jfer, well, we get listed as such
[11:13] <darkrose> but not here
[11:13] <MoLE_> or should I say head_victim's suggestion that we implement a monthly report
[11:14] <nisshh> jfer, and we get support from canonical
[11:14] <jfer> in terms of?
[11:14] <MoLE_> schwag I think
[11:14] <nisshh> jfer, we have access to downloadable stickers and other resources, etc
[11:14] <head_victim> CDs and schwag.
[11:14] <nisshh> yeah
[11:15] <nisshh> ok then
[11:15] <jfer> well if we want to further promote the use of Ubuntu in Australia this is something we should definitely consider
[11:15] <head_victim> Sounds like a plan then. I'll get on it and mail the list with information when it's done?
[11:15] <nisshh> [ACTION] head_victim to head up the creation of a monthly report
[11:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  head_victim to head up the creation of a monthly report 
[11:16] <nisshh> head_victim, sounds good
[11:16] <jfer> are there any other outstanding issues that we need to deal with to get re-approved?
[11:16] <head_victim> jfer: that is one of the main ones
[11:16] <nisshh> yeah
[11:16] <nisshh> we discussed roles last meeting did we not?
[11:16] <head_victim> jfer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-May/006166.html
[11:16] <head_victim> nisshh: yes they're now documented as to who does what
[11:16] <jfer> ok thanks i was not present. sorry
[11:17] <jfer> but i will read the log
[11:17] <nisshh> head_victim, ah yes, thats right
[11:17] <head_victim> jfer: no problems, the other thing was general activity levels and membership numbers.
[11:18] <nisshh> head_victim, should we discuss those? or leave them till next meeting?
[11:18] <head_victim> jfer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval that is the re-approval submission
[11:18] <jfer> ok
[11:18] <head_victim> nisshh: I think when we get everything right elsewhere the membership numbers will follow
[11:19] <jfer> when is the next chance to get re-approval?
[11:19] <nisshh> head_victim, agreed
[11:19] <head_victim> jfer: there is no set date, we just have to show we meet the criteria.
[11:19] <nisshh> jfer, whenever we want i think
[11:19] <MoLE_> We apply when we're ready
[11:19] <head_victim> The meetings have been a major step forward and I think with the monthly reports that will be another step and then all we need to do is document activites that go on.
[11:20] <darkrose> meetings being dragged offtopic by non-agenda items = bad
[11:20] <nisshh> yeah
[11:20] <head_victim> Ok so my topic is over I think.
[11:20] <head_victim> nisshh: next?
[11:20] <nisshh> yep
[11:20] <nisshh> [TOPIC]Organized Events
[11:20] <MootBot> New Topic: Organized Events 
[11:21] <head_victim> jfer: I can have a chat with you after the meeting regarding the reapproval process if you like, just so we keep to the agenda.
[11:21] <nisshh> ok
[11:21] <nisshh> so these are mostly mine, plus MoLE_ has one
[11:21] <nisshh> i WAS going to try and get kermiac_ here to talk about his bugjam idea
[11:21] <nisshh> but he seems to be very busy right now
[11:22] <nisshh> so ill skip that
[11:22] <MoLE_> propose we defer to next meeting
[11:22] <jfer> head_victim:ok thanks
[11:22] <nisshh> MoLE_, agreed, or whenever i can get hold of kermiac_
[11:22] <nisshh> anyway
[11:22] <nisshh> so i had an idea the other day
[11:23] <firtvid20> Organised events as in a community event?
[11:23] <nisshh> im considering getting our activity levels up by hosting a session on IRC (in #ubuntu-au)
[11:23] <nisshh> firtvid20, yes
[11:24] <nisshh> where people can suggest things to have the session about before hand
[11:24] <nisshh> and the session goes for an hour
[11:24] <firtvid20> How frequent is this session
[11:24] <nisshh> with 1 or 2 of us leading it
[11:24] <MoLE_> suggestions on the mailing list nisshh ?
[11:24] <nisshh> firtvid20, i was thinking weekly or fortnightly
[11:24] <jfer> sounds good to me
[11:24] <nisshh> MoLE_, yeah, that would be best
[11:25] <head_victim> nisshh: maybe liaise with someone in -classroom
[11:25] <firtvid20> I like the idea
[11:25] <nisshh> and of course maybe we could rotate so everyone gets a go at running one
[11:25] <nisshh> head_victim, possibly
[11:25] <jfer> i am keen to get started in development but i don't know where to start
[11:25] <MoLE_> I would suggest starting fortnightly with topics on the mailing list suggested up to 48 hours before, with the host announcing the topic to the mailing list.
[11:25] <head_victim> Just do them at times when it suits Aussies.
[11:25] <nisshh> head_victim, i was thinking evening, that seems to suite most of us
[11:26] <head_victim> Sure I'm sure the people in -classroom would be more than happy with it all
[11:26] <nisshh> as in a bit earlier than this
[11:26] <firtvid20> Like around just after dinner?
[11:26] <nisshh> head_victim, only problem is finding a free time slot in classroom that suites us
[11:26] <nisshh> it tends to be busy
[11:26] <MoLE_> firtvid20, depends where you live in Aus
[11:26] <head_victim> nisshh: there hasn't been anything for days and weeks if you mean at a suitable time for us :)
[11:27] <nisshh> head_victim, my point exactly
[11:27] <blahdeblah> So what's -classroom about?
[11:27] <head_victim> As in no classes
[11:27] <darkrose> firtvid20: this is before dinner, so about an hour from now?
[11:27] <nisshh> blahdeblah, its where people can schedule and host sessions and its where open weeks and app week happen
[11:27] <head_victim> link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[11:27]  * blahdeblah reads classroom wiki
[11:27] <jfer> could we start our own ubuntu-au classroom?
[11:27] <nisshh> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[11:27] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom 
[11:28] <firtvid20> It's about 10:30 in sydney
[11:28] <nisshh> jfer, i was thinking just use the main channel
[11:28] <MoLE_> jfer, we could, but it makes sense to use the existing infrastructure
[11:28] <head_victim> jfer: I suggest using the one in existence just organised it from within the loco at times that suit us that way everyone benefits
[11:28] <jfer> sounds reasonable to me
[11:28] <MoLE_> using -classroom doesn't exclude non aussies then
[11:29] <MoLE_> if we set up our own room that might seem to be 'exclusive'
[11:29] <nisshh> yeah
[11:29] <nisshh> and it would split our 2 current loco channels into 3
[11:29] <nisshh> when we really only need 1 in the first place
[11:29] <MoLE_> I vote we aim to use -classroom at a time convenient for  Aussies
[11:29] <blahdeblah> yep
[11:29] <head_victim> MoLE_: I think that's the most sensible idea.
[11:29] <jfer> yer
[11:30] <nisshh> MoLE_, look at the classroom schedule, its almost impossible to
[11:30] <jfer> it seems to be unutilised at these times anyway for the most part
[11:30] <head_victim> There is no activite there regularly
[11:30] <head_victim> I lurk there and it's rare to see an event
[11:30] <nisshh> yeah
[11:30] <nisshh> fair enough then
[11:30] <firtvid20> What time zone are we going to base these -classroom meetings on?
[11:30] <nisshh> i would be happy to organise that then
[11:31] <MoLE_> There's almost nothing for the next 2 months in -classroom
[11:31] <nisshh> firtvid20, probably AEST
[11:31] <MoLE_> firtvid20, I would suggest 2030 AEST
[11:31] <jfer> do we have anyone willing to run a session?
[11:31] <head_victim> nisshh: I think as a loco the best idea would be set up a wiki page for it with an ongoing schedule and advertise it through the mailing list and in conjunction with -classroom
[11:31] <MoLE_> yep
[11:31] <nisshh> [ACTION]nisshh to organize sessions in -classroom
[11:31] <MootBot> ACTION received: nisshh to organize sessions in -classroom 
[11:31] <firtvid20> Agree
[11:32] <nisshh> head_victim, good idea
[11:32] <head_victim> That way it's inclusive but also focussed for local users.
[11:32] <nisshh> jfer, i was going to do them, but i thought about maybe having a group of people who volunteer
[11:32] <nisshh> and we rotate and take turns depending on what the session is about
[11:33] <nisshh> ok
[11:33] <nisshh> anyone got anything else to add about that?
[11:33] <head_victim> nisshh: set up a wiki with a possible schedule of topics and send it to the list for feedback.
[11:33] <darkrose> +1
[11:33] <nisshh> head_victim, yeah, ill do that right after the meeting
[11:33] <MoLE_> then we can all put our 2c worth in
[11:33] <jfer> so are we going to aim this at both users and developers?
[11:34] <MoLE_> I hope so
[11:34] <nisshh> jfer, sure, i think a mix of both would be good
[11:34] <firtvid20> jfer: I'm guessing so
[11:34] <head_victim> jfer: I'd say so, I guess it depends on what people volunteer to do and what people want to attend
[11:34] <nisshh> yeah
[11:34] <nisshh> anything else then?
[11:34] <head_victim> Nope, next?
[11:35] <nisshh> ok
[11:35] <nisshh> MoLE_, your up next about localized material
[11:35] <MoLE_> Welp, back in the dim dark past, I had a crazy idea about adapting some of the spreadubuntu materials for the ubuntu-au LoCo.
[11:35] <game2> nisshh, localised  ;)
[11:36] <nisshh> game2, thanks (grammar nazi :))
[11:36]  * game2 puts dictionary away again
[11:36] <nisshh> lol
[11:37] <MoLE_> So with head_victim's help I have adapted a poster which darkrose kindly agreed to host temporarily.  I have finally completed the end product and emailed copies to head_victim and blahdeblah for final comments and hopefully posting on the website.
[11:37] <nisshh> MoLE_, keep going, im just checking on dinner
[11:37] <blahdeblah> MoLE_: Sorry about that - i can put it up now
[11:37] <MoLE_> Once we have a link up, I can post to the mailing list the URL.
[11:38] <MoLE_> As part of this idea, head_victim and I were tossing around the idea of providing a 'mail out' service of materials similar to what is happening with the local CD service.
[11:38] <head_victim> MoLE_: to this end I noticed today in the Ubuntu Newsletter that http://spreadubuntu.org/ is finally up.
[11:38] <MoLE_> magnificent
[11:39] <MoLE_> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/your-free-alternative-v2-ink-saving is the one I have adapted with head_victim's help
[11:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/your-free-alternative-v2-ink-saving is the one I have adapted with head_victim's help 
[11:39] <nisshh> oh, so NOW mootbot recieves the link :)
[11:39] <firtvid20> lol
[11:40] <firtvid20> And now Chrome opens up
[11:40] <head_victim> I think it has to be the start of the line
[11:40] <nisshh> yeah
[11:40] <nisshh> anyway
[11:40] <MoLE_> I'd love some ideas on which other posters could be adapted for ubuntu-au use and whether there would be any interest in the mailout service?
[11:40] <nisshh> MoLE_, looks good
[11:41] <MoLE_> I'm a bit more confident with scribus now and am willing to do some more work on this, time permitting.
[11:41] <head_victim> There used to be a free sticker mail out so I'll ping elky to see if we can revive this to include stuff like that
[11:41] <firtvid20> MoLE_: So we can put them on telegraph poles now
[11:41] <MoLE_> firtvid20, if you so desire....
[11:41] <blahdeblah> I'd really like to see some style & grammar cleanups in that doco
[11:41] <head_victim> firtvid20: I'd suggest places that are designed for posting of things like that.
[11:41] <firtvid20> Change the link from the uk site to au
[11:42] <head_victim> firtvid20: that's what we've done.
[11:42] <darkrose> http://stuff.ltmnet.com/ubuntu/index.html was the changed copies MoLE_ sent me
[11:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://stuff.ltmnet.com/ubuntu/index.html was the changed copies MoLE_ sent me 
[11:42] <MoLE_> I'm happy to crowdsource appropriate grammar and style suggestions
[11:42] <MoLE_> and incorporate them
[11:43]  * game2 reaches for dictionary again
[11:43] <nisshh> sounds good
[11:43] <nisshh> MoLE_, you could post to the mailing list too
[11:43] <MoLE_> happy to do that nisshh, as long as I don't offend anyone again :)
[11:43] <firtvid20> darkrose: Cool
[11:44] <nisshh> MoLE_, yeah
[11:44] <game2> +1
[11:45] <nisshh> anything else about what MoLE_ is doing then?
[11:45] <MoLE_> I'm looking for suggestions for material to adapt basically.  I'm not a designer.
[11:45] <jfer> i would recommend uploading the changed versions to spreadubuntu.org
[11:46] <MoLE_> jfer of course
[11:46] <nisshh> +1 jfer
[11:46] <jfer> ok just thought i would be sure you are going to do that
[11:46] <nisshh> ok, shall we move on?
[11:46] <head_victim> Sounds good
[11:47] <MoLE_> 'twould be nice to have a collection of material we can all use that we actually want to use
[11:47] <darkrose> indeed
[11:47] <nisshh> heh, yeah
[11:47] <head_victim> MoLE_: yeah would make it easier for everyone.
[11:47] <head_victim> MoLE_: would a wiki page with links be useful?
[11:47] <nisshh> [TOPIC]LCA 2011
[11:47] <MootBot> New Topic: LCA 2011 
[11:47] <nisshh> head_victim, yours again
[11:47] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane
[11:47] <head_victim> Ok I was hoping it would Link that
[11:48]  * nisshh slaps mootbot
[11:48] <nisshh> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane
[11:48] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane 
[11:48] <nisshh> i have to do its job for it :)
[11:48] <head_victim> But yes, I will be going and was wondering if anyone else was. The goal here would be to have a booth at the open day and possibly some sort of other Ubuntu-AU social gathering.
[11:48] <head_victim> It's not often we have lots of us all in the one city so I thought it would be good to make use of it.
[11:49] <nisshh> ... with IRC displayed in a giant screen
[11:49] <nisshh> on*
[11:49] <blahdeblah> MoLE_: How do you want this uploaded?  Do you want the PDFs downloadable separately from the source tarball?
[11:49] <head_victim> I was thinking we might be able to make a plea to canonical for a conference pack of schwag despite being currently not approved if we can get enough people wanting to help out with the open day
[11:49] <MoLE_> blahdeblah, sounds good to have separate.  I just wrapped them in the same tarball for convenience.
[11:50] <MoLE_> If I can't get there I'd be happy to donate some schwag
[11:50] <nisshh> head_victim, a good idea
[11:50] <MoLE_> to give out
[11:50] <nisshh> so, who else is going to LCA in brisbane?
[11:51] <jfer> i will be
[11:51] <nisshh> right
[11:51] <blahdeblah> MoLE_: OK - will put them as separate downloads from the tarball
[11:51] <nisshh> darkrose, are you going to LCA?
[11:51] <head_victim> The problem is timing, we'd have to organise this well in advance and time for that is running out. We currenlty only have 4 people interested in the idea on the wiki and I don't think that will convince anyone of anything.
[11:51] <jfer> i was talking to head_victim about it earlier
[11:51] <blahdeblah> nisshh: I'll be going
[11:51] <nisshh> cool
[11:51] <firtvid20> I'd like to go, but I'm in Sydney
[11:52] <jfer> there is a section in the table for those attending now
[11:52] <nisshh> yeah
[11:52] <nisshh> i would go if i lived closer :)
[11:53] <head_victim> So again, events like this will definitely help in re-approval and also in improving membership numbers.
[11:53] <darkrose> nisshh: dunno, too far away (time wise) for me to be thinking about it
[11:53] <nisshh> head_victim, problem is, we dont have anything else as major as LCA :(
[11:53] <nisshh> darkrose, fair enough
[11:54] <head_victim> nisshh: no but there are lots of university open days, local conferences, etc that could all do with our presence.
[11:54] <jfer> but i am sure from the knowledge we gain there we can run sessions for the broader ubuntu-au community
[11:54] <head_victim> Ubuntu-AU is not just about user support but should also focus heavily on community engagement.
[11:54] <MoLE_> Brisbane does seem to have the highest concentration of members
[11:54] <nisshh> yeah
[11:55] <jfer> i seem to be the only member in my region
[11:55] <nisshh> jfer, same with me
[11:55] <firtvid20> jfer: Which one?
[11:55] <jfer> Sunshine Coast
[11:55] <nisshh> jfer, i appear to be the only active member in the whole of WA :(
[11:56] <nisshh> ok, anything else before we wrap up?
[11:56] <head_victim> Ok so back on topic. I'll email the list again in a call for volunteers but unless we get more people signing up I'm not certain we can achieve a presence at the open day.
[11:56] <blahdeblah> MoLE_: Do you have any promotional text written for these brochures?
[11:56] <MoLE_> blahdeblah, not as yet, but I can probably come up with some.
[11:56] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Where & when is the promotional day?
[11:57] <jfer> [LINK] http://lca2011.linux.org.au/programme/open_day
[11:57] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://lca2011.linux.org.au/programme/open_day 
[11:57] <head_victim> Just beat me to it
[11:57]  * MoLE_ suspect mootbot doesn't like https links
[11:57] <firtvid20> MoLE_: LOL
[11:57] <jfer> i used the link command
[11:57] <head_victim> But yes, it's held on the Saturday immediately following th econference
[11:57] <MoLE_> jfer, I noticed 
[11:58] <jfer> i don't know if i will still be around for open day yet
[11:58] <nisshh> ok
[11:58] <nisshh> anything else?
[11:58] <blahdeblah> Uploading the brochure now, MoLE_
[11:58] <MoLE_> thx blahdeblah 
[11:59] <blahdeblah> Upload seems slow...
[11:59] <head_victim> nisshh: looks like it's right on time for the hour. I think I've covered what I needed.
[11:59] <nisshh> ill take that as a no
[11:59] <nisshh> head_victim, ok, cool
[11:59] <MoLE_> thank you for chairing nisshh 
[11:59] <nisshh> #endmeeting
[11:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:59.
[11:59] <nisshh> MoLE_, no problem :)
[11:59] <firtvid20> 5:59?
[11:59] <darkrose> utc
[11:59] <firtvid20> Oh
[11:59] <nisshh> MoLE_, me and head_victim are liking this taking turns thing
[12:00] <head_victim> Next meeting will be Tuesday 14th December everyone
[12:00] <head_victim> Mark you calendars/diaries now.
[12:00] <firtvid20> head_victim: Ok
[12:00] <MoLE_> I've had some experience chairing meetings but not on IRC .  I might give it a go in the new year
[12:00] <firtvid20> Just 11 days before Christmas :D
[12:00] <darkrose> that's 2100 AEST GMT+10!!!!!
[12:01] <MoLE_> thanks darkrose :)
[12:01] <darkrose> heh
[12:01] <game2> thanks to everyone doing something!
[12:01] <head_victim> game2: thanks for turning up :)
[12:01] <MoLE_> I'll be relying on you game2 for the grammar expertise
[12:02] <game2> lol
[12:02] <head_victim> Hah game2 is a healthy contributor to enAU translations so that's fair enough
[12:03] <head_victim> nisshh: are the meeting logs really there yet?
[12:03] <MoLE_> expat aussie game2 ?
[12:03] <jfer> with regards to contributing to ubuntu developement. where should i start?
[12:03] <game2> head_victim, that's a topic worthy of a meeting one day -- but not this one
[12:03] <jfer> i have read the packaging guide
[12:03] <head_victim> jfer: what are you interested in?
[12:03] <nisshh> head_victim, i think so, /me looking
[12:03] <game2> MoLE_, trans-tasmanite 
[12:04]  * firtvid20 thinks those crappy school-owned laptops would be better off with Ubuntu
[12:04] <jfer> i would like to package some applications and fix bugs
[12:04] <head_victim> I would recommend joining #ubuntu-beginners if you want to start helping out but not sure where. They're a team specificially for new users. If you want ot help with bugs I'd suggest #ubuntu-bugs
[12:04] <jfer> but i don't know what packages require packaging and where work can be done
[12:04]  * darkrose may have an app in the repo's soon
[12:05] <nisshh> head_victim, link to the exact log: http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.20101109_0506.html
[12:05] <nisshh> darkrose, OI! stop showing off!
[12:05] <darkrose> :p
[12:05] <head_victim> nisshh: you want to clean up the meeating wiki page or shall I?
[12:05] <nisshh> head_victim, you can, im busy doing up this page about the sessions
[12:06]  * blahdeblah can't get the files to upload
[12:06] <head_victim> nisshh: no worries.
[12:06] <nisshh> head_victim, you want to chair the next meeting or shall i?
[12:06] <nisshh> :)
[12:06] <head_victim> I gotta see if I'll be off
[12:06] <nisshh> ok
[12:06] <nisshh> head_victim, let me know when you know then
[12:07] <head_victim> Nah I'm on day shift so I'll be home well before 2100 so can chair
[12:07] <game2> jfer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/ is a good place to start for helping with bugs
[12:07] <jfer> thanks
[12:07] <nisshh> that was quick head_victim :)
[12:07] <head_victim> nisshh: I have it all planned in evolution
[12:07] <nisshh> ah
[12:07] <head_victim> Which I then sync to my mobile.
[12:08] <nisshh> yeah
[12:08] <jfer> what programming language would you find most useful to have a knowledge of for fixing bugs?
[12:08] <MoLE_> python?
[12:08] <nisshh> ill let you chair the next one then, i will be there though
[12:08]  * blahdeblah makes the sign to ward off python
[12:08] <blahdeblah> ...but it doesn't work
[12:08] <nisshh> jfer, depends what package or app i was fixing bugs for
[12:09] <jfer> ok
[12:09] <nisshh> jfer, most packages in the repos use Python, but many use C, Ruby, Vala, etc
[12:09] <nisshh> C++ as well
[12:09] <jfer> ok that is more my style
[12:09] <blahdeblah> anyone know where we log bugs about Canonical-hosted web sites?
[12:09] <nisshh> jfer, if i was you i would triage bugs first before fixing any
[12:10] <head_victim> blahdeblah: launchpad?
[12:10] <nisshh> blahdeblah, what do you mean?
[12:10] <blahdeblah> The file upload to the web site is not working
[12:10] <nisshh> blahdeblah, sorry, i mean which website do you mean?
[12:10] <blahdeblah> ours
[12:10] <nisshh> as in our loco website?
[12:10] <blahdeblah> yep
[12:11] <blahdeblah> Doesn't matter - i think i've found a problem
[12:11] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I believe bradm_ or elky would know details.
[12:11] <nisshh> i second that
[12:11] <jfer> i rarely encounter bugs. what would you recommend to get more exposure? using pre-release software?
[12:12] <blahdeblah> We can't upload those files
[12:12] <nisshh> jfer, get more exposure?
[12:12] <blahdeblah> They're too big
[12:12] <jfer> to bugs?
[12:13] <nisshh> jfer, to triage bugs you only need to be running the release which the bug is reported against, and thats IF you need to reproduce it
[12:13] <nisshh> jfer, ask in #ubuntu-bugsquad
[12:13] <nisshh> sorry
[12:13] <nisshh> not that channel
[12:13] <nisshh> #ubuntu-bugs
[12:14] <nisshh> jfer, ^^^
[12:15] <firtvid20> Oh well, goodbye people.
[12:16] <firtvid20> \quit
[12:16] <nisshh> head_victim, what do you think? weekly sessions on IRC for my idea? or what?
[12:16] <firtvid20> Oops
[12:16] <head_victim> nisshh: if you have the time I'm sure that would be heaps
[12:16] <darkrose> I though fortnightly was suggested?
[12:16] <head_victim> Anything less than monthly would be slow but anything in between would be great
[12:16] <nisshh> darkrose, i said "either fortnightly or weekly or something..."
[12:17] <nisshh> i think we should start at fortnightly
[12:17]  * darkrose nods
[12:17] <nisshh> and increase from there if we get lots of activity
[12:17] <jfer> that seems good
[12:17] <nisshh> i will put all this on the wiki page and then we can discuss it more on the ML
[12:17] <jfer> but what day?
[12:18] <nisshh> jfer, i just said "...and we can discuss it more on the ML"
[12:18] <nisshh>  :)
[12:18] <darkrose> pick one, if people complain, pick another
[12:18] <jfer> ML?
[12:18] <darkrose> mailing list
[12:19] <nisshh> yeah
[12:19] <jfer> oh right. sorry
[12:19] <nisshh> hmm, what to call the wiki page
[12:19] <nisshh> jfer, the ML is just more convenient
[12:20] <nisshh> jfer, we can include the whole loco in the discussion then, not just the IRC lurkers
[12:20] <darkrose> heh, the first logged message for the meeting: "* blahdeblah goes to get vegemite"
[12:20] <nisshh> lol
[12:20] <blahdeblah> nice
[12:20] <darkrose> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.log.20101109_0506.html
[12:20] <blahdeblah> I needed it, too!
[12:20] <nisshh> blahdeblah, i think we all know what you were thinking
[12:21] <blahdeblah> Does anyone know if we can change the PHP settings for our site?  bradm_?
[12:21] <blahdeblah> I have 2 x 3.5 MB files that won't upload because they're over the size limit in PHP
[12:23] <nisshh> oh wow
[12:23] <nisshh> that sucks
[12:25] <darkrose> blahdeblah: see `iniset` and `upload_max_filesize`
[12:25] <blahdeblah> darkrose: That would be great if we had shell access...
[12:26] <darkrose> it's a php command
[12:26] <darkrose> s/command/function/
[12:29] <blahdeblah> What's that got to do with anything?  We can't edit the PHP fiiles anyway.
[12:30] <darkrose> ah, it's generally the workaround for "need to change upload limits but can't edit configs"
[12:31] <blahdeblah> Doesn't matter - i managed to get part of it uploaded.
[12:31] <nisshh> head_victim, i just talked to a guy on the Ubuntu Classroom Team
[12:31] <nisshh> head_victim, he said it would be possible for us to have sessions like that
[12:32] <head_victim> nisshh: they'd probably appreciate the traffic to be honest
[12:32] <nisshh> head_victim, yeah
[12:32] <nisshh> head_victim, so im just sending an email to request it, and ill let you know what happens
[12:33] <blahdeblah> Where's MoLE_?
[12:33] <blahdeblah> Looks like he's gone
[12:33] <blahdeblah> Can we put 3 MB PDF attachments in the wiki or anywhere like that?
[12:34] <head_victim> Hosted offsite, linked on official websites?
[12:34] <blahdeblah> yeah
[12:35] <head_victim> If we upload back to spreadubuntu.org we can just link it there
[12:35] <head_victim> Otherwise I'd volunteer darkrose 
[12:36] <darkrose> >.>
[12:36] <darkrose> doesn't bother me
[12:37] <jfer> make sure you include the source when you upload it
[12:37] <blahdeblah> jfer: Can't - extension not supported
[12:37] <jfer> huh?
[12:37] <jfer> what extension?
[12:38] <blahdeblah> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/node/add/material
[12:38] <blahdeblah> Need to have source which is "svg pdf xcf psd zip gz tar odt odp ods odg ai"
[12:38] <jfer> yes and you have?
[12:38] <blahdeblah> sla
[12:38] <blahdeblah> And also, image is required
[12:39] <jfer> what is an sla?
[12:39] <blahdeblah> Inkscape, i guess
[12:39] <blahdeblah> I didn't do it - MoLE_ and head_victim did
[12:39] <jfer> i think that you should save it as an svg in that case
[12:40] <darkrose> .. or just gzip it
[12:40] <blahdeblah> Hmm - didn't see that buried in the middle.
[12:40] <blahdeblah> too bad that only solves 1 problem...
[12:41] <jfer> what is the other problem?
[12:42] <darkrose> split into chunks, and add instructions on how to use cat
[12:42] <blahdeblah> jfer: It requires an image in png, jpg, etc.
[12:43] <blahdeblah> darkrose: You're giving me old school heebie jeebies again...
[12:43] <darkrose> hehe
[12:46] <blahdeblah> Someone give MoLE_ this link when he comes back http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/77
[12:46] <darkrose> k
[12:46] <blahdeblah> We need to give it some better promo text, i think
[12:47] <darkrose> yeah, I was looking at using it a while ago, but it's just a bit... lacking
[12:48] <blahdeblah> well, it's there now - we can always improve it later
[12:49]  * darkrose nods
[12:49]  * blahdeblah is cactus - night folks
[12:49] <nisshh> night blahdeblah
[12:49] <head_victim> night blahdeblah 
[12:49] <darkrose> .o/
[12:50] <nisshh> head_victim, nhandler just told me about a LoCo Day being held about a week before christmas this year
[12:51] <head_victim> nisshh: They hold them semi-regularly
[12:51] <nisshh> head_victim, what are they about?
[12:51] <head_victim> Just getting people organised to work on loco stuff
[12:52] <nisshh> head_victim, something we could look at maybe?
[12:52] <head_victim> Indeed
[12:52] <nisshh> head_victim, ill look into it
[12:53] <head_victim> I'm trying to get the team reports thing to work. It's kinda convoluted.
[12:53] <head_victim> It could be that I"m tired but I'm really having a hard time following the process.
[12:55] <jfer> head_victim:from the reading i did i found the same
[12:55]  * darkrose doesn't mention head_victim's lack of mental capacity as a possible cause
[12:55] <head_victim> I think I've got the pages created.
[12:55] <jfer> maybe it would be better looking at an aproved LoCo's reports
[12:55] <head_victim> But looking at it I don't think it's going to be a "lets get everyone to contribute to the page" but a "lets get everyone to send contributions to head_victim so he can write it up"
[12:56] <head_victim> jfer: that's what I'm doing now I think I have the pages organised.
[12:56] <nisshh> head_victim, you can always do it when your brain isnt as tired :)
[12:57] <head_victim> nisshh: I don't know if that's going to help :P
[12:57] <nisshh> hehe
[12:57] <darkrose> gah! so many straight lines!
[12:57]  * darkrose explodes
[12:59] <game2>  /part cya
[12:59] <game2>  /part #ubuntu-au cya
[13:00] <nisshh> lol
[13:04] <head_victim> I *think* I Have it
[13:08] <nisshh> head_victim, sent the mail to the list about the -classroom sessions
[13:08] <head_victim> I'm writing up one about the reports ;)
[13:09] <head_victim> As much as I can't think of a better way the team reporting process is a little involved.
[13:09] <nisshh> yeah
[13:10] <nisshh> head_victim, now i just need to figure out a date/time and a session leader for the first session
[13:11]  * darkrose offers "how to be an elitist bitch" as a session
[13:11] <nisshh> hahaha
[13:29] <jfer> regarding LCA https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences may be worth loking at
[13:30] <jfer> *looking
[13:33] <head_victim> jfer: yeah I was going to apply for the non approved loco pack but wanted to make sure we actually had people willing to do it first
[13:33] <head_victim> Fingers crossed it will work out and I will order by the end of th emonth
[13:35] <jfer> good to hear
[13:35] <head_victim> I just didn't want to end up running it alone basically.
[13:38] <jfer> do you know how many people attend LCA?
[13:39] <head_victim> Nope, this will be my first.
[13:39] <jfer> same
[13:39] <jfer> i thought i would go while it was in brisbane
[13:40] <jfer> and I am a student
[13:40] <head_victim> Unfortunately I'm not so I signed up as a hobbyist.
[13:41] <jfer> oh ok
[13:41] <jfer> what is your area of work?
[13:41] <darkrose> he doesn't work, he's management
[13:42] <head_victim> Hah yeah I "work" in electronic security.
[13:42] <head_victim> Customer service style stuff
[13:43] <jfer> ok i know that many compaines send their employees for professional development for free that is all
[13:44] <head_victim> Nah this is nothing related to wokr
[13:44] <jfer> hmm
[13:44] <jfer> for me this very much is