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bioterror: Hadn't even considered? [19:13] ehcah, you might want to [19:13] Pardon my seriously ignorant question... But if its Debian, shouldn't zpool run on ubuntu? [19:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS/ZPool [19:14] ehcah: Ubuntu diverges significantly from Debian in many aspects [19:16] Ahh... Ok. I read that there were ZFS projects on some debian systems. I misread that as "not production" in ubuntu. [19:16] aveilleux: I have to think bigger picture. [19:16] I guess it's time to fire up another VM. [19:16] but zpool is great [19:17] bioterror: It sounds very much like what I've been reading about Nexenta? [19:17] In reference to my problem above: Here's a comparison screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/Yq79B.jpg [19:18] ehcah, I would take debian testing (becouse of rolling release) and zpool [19:18] biotteror: Is there a specific GUI like experience? Or do I simply install webmin? [19:19] ehcah, you want to have all eggs in same basket? [19:19] router/dns/fw and NAS? [19:19] Nah. [19:20] I think I want to have a least 2 boxes. [19:20] one NAT with dhcpd+dns and one NAS? [19:20] bioterror: I think so. Unless someone can sell me on the merrits of having one box doing everything? [19:21] I wouldnt go with that [19:21] bioterror: I can share my spec's as I assume 1 box for everythign would require a different MOBO, processor and additional RAM... [19:21] You would build 1 box? [19:21] I would use two boxes [19:22] Ok. Alright. Same as I was thinking. [19:22] * bioterror has been pondering a NAS things lately [19:22] I need something for our pictures and videos [19:24] Me also. Pictures, Movies, Music and some segragated local backup for all our pc's etc... [19:24] building a another computer just inst cost effective [19:24] So you have used FreeNAS, but not Nexenta? [19:25] bioterror: I have spare. Unfortunately. [19:25] well, I'm still on paper with these visions [19:25] unRAID was my first foray. [19:25] since we are running 2 laptops, my router (atom machine) and my desktop 24/7 [19:26] I have more mac address's and IP's in this house than I can count. [19:26] :D [19:26] I really like the performance of my server for network functions. I don't want to mess with it. [19:27] I'm just struggling with what to install when my new hardware arrives early next week. [19:28] bioterror: I think there should be a few more download options for Debian. http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable :) [19:28] ;) [19:28] debian and gentoo does a great job with architectures [19:29] oh man... I don't even know where to start. [19:29] Maybe the appliances need more "props". [19:30] it could be a smart move to buy another intel atom mini-itx board and build a NAS ;) [19:31] or just buy 2TB NAS device [19:32] but when your hardware arrives, dont hesitate to tell us about your choise for software [19:32] Go with your first option. I can't tell you what you should run as an OS, but I can say to leave yourself room for growth. [19:33] I was kinda hoping that someone in this group would be kind enough to TELL me what I should run. [19:33] well, we can only give some sort of advices ;) [19:34] I'm a married man and used to being told what to do. There is too much room for me to mistakes on my own. [19:34] ehcah: it is near impossible to tell you what to run [19:34] we can tell you what we think of certain solutions... and what our experiences are... in the end you have to decide [19:34] ehcah, http://www.zfsbuild.com/2010/09/10/freenas-vs-opensolaris-zfs-benchmarks/ [19:34] cprofitt: I agree. BUT, I was hoping to lean on other's learnings. [19:34] I personally am running FreeNAS right now, but it was more a learning experience for me [19:35] I would un Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server for file shares right now [19:35] cprofitt: Any idea how far away FreeNAS 8 is and if it will be an upgrade or fresh build? [19:35] No... I am not sure when it will receive an update [19:35] which is one of the reasons I prefer running Ubuntu server [19:36] fair enough. [19:37] that's why I would use a rolling release ;) [19:37] no need for version upgrades [19:53] hello [19:55] i have a problem where my ubuntu doesn't boot [19:55] i am now using the live cd [19:55] what happens [19:55] could you specify more [19:56] i get the ubuntu icon on the black background [19:57] then the black screen with the white _ [19:57] and then the ubuntu loading screen [19:57] but it reverts back between those three for a while [19:58] and then just the black screen with the white _ [19:58] sorry if it is unclear but english is not my first language [20:01] aveilleux, any glue? I'm too tired [20:01] cant keep my eyes open, so I'm hitting the bed for today [20:09] anyone else who can help? [20:21] anyone? [20:21] Startup is not my strong suit, sorry :c [20:21] You can try #ubuntu [20:22] okay thanks === tbeemster is now known as Timo_ [20:44] having a little trouble with Rhythmbox. I set the library to my windows partition, where my iTunes library is. But for some reason it is finding close to 200 songs less than what is in itunes. I've already installed restricted extras. [20:45] johnny77: Do you have any purchased songs from iTunes? Because it's likely they are DRM protected, and therefore nonplayable on any media player that isn't iTunes [20:47] aveilleux: I bet i've purchased close to 200 songs from iTunes. Is there anyway to get these playable in Rhythmbox? [20:47] johnny77: Boot into Windows and convert them to a different format... other than that, no [20:49] aveilleux: thank you. [20:49] johnny77: No problem, I just wish I could give you a better answer. [20:53] aveilleux: I wish there was a better answer. I'm happy I've made the move to Ubuntu, but this proprietary stuff is pissing me off. [20:54] johnny77: Yeah, it's something that always makes a transition less than seamless. [21:22] hellp guys [21:22] anyone using dropbox with pcmanfm ? === deejoe_ is now known as deejoe [21:42] Hi, could someone tell me how to login remotely with tightvnc without having to go to the remote system and login in there first ? [21:43] guest3640: In the Login Screen settings, there should be an option to allow remote login [21:44] I found that and enabled it but unless I am logged in at that system, it won't let me login remotely [21:45] guest3640: I've had issues with this in the past... I think the default VNC server that comes with Ubuntu doesn't start until after the local user logs in. It's a hassle and I wish it wasn't set up that way, but there you have it. [21:45] ugh, kk, thanks :) [21:46] guest3640: Something you can do, is to disable the built-in server and install vnc4server [21:48] I'm not sure I'm up to doing all that but I'll see if I can [21:50] I'm also having trouble getting to my windows network, it shows the icon for workgroup but it always says "failed to retrieve share list" [21:50] I know it's on the network because I'm accessing it with tightvnc right now [21:51] guest3640: Mounting Windows shares is finicky on Ubuntu, try mounting them manually with Places > Connect to Server (select Samba) [21:54] I dont' see samba in the list, is Windows share right ? [21:55] yep, it is, that worked, thanks! [21:58] guest3640: Yeah, that, sorry... I'm used to the older terminology (Ubuntu accesses Windows shares through a system called Samba) [21:59] no problem, I remembed that samba was what did sharing with windows [22:12] Hi [22:15] I have a partition on my computer for windows and ubuntu and I want to update the ubuntu partition [22:15] NewGuy: hello [22:15] Ok, so I can see the wlan0 connection on the laptop, I have entered the MAC into my router for filtering [22:16] Guest96478: to run the updates just go to System > Administration > Update Manager [22:16] what kind of changes would you want to make to the ubuntu partition ? [22:16] Guest96478, [22:17] I want to install the newest version over the ubuntu partition [22:17] but I'm not sure how [22:17] do you want to replace or update ? [22:17] replace [22:18] Guest96478: what version are you running now [22:18] I have gone into the Network Connections and made and entry under Wireless for 'Home'. Entered the SSID, encryption type and encrytion key. However I cannot get an IP address from the DHCP [22:18] NewGuy: do the wireless networks show up in the network manager? [22:18] what is the security type? (wep, wpa..) [22:19] Is that Network Tools? [22:19] could someone tell me how to get my onboard sound to work, I'm using an asus p5b-e mb [22:20] ok, Guest96478 : then you need to get the iso from ubuntu.com, make a stick of it or burn a cd, boot into the live environment, so you can do backups and install the new version, or do install directly [22:20] Security type is WPA [22:21] I'm running 9.10 [22:22] Where do I find Network Manager. I am running 8.04 on this laptop. [22:22] I want to replace it with 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) [22:23] Guest96478, http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download [22:23] besides downloading, read the page too [22:24] UndiFineD: I already have made a CD [22:25] great, stick it in, boot into the live environmet, make a backup if you like and install [22:26] Guest96478: run the self test on the CD to ensure it has burned okay, it can save a lot of heart-ache. [22:26] I never had downloading / buring issues though [22:27] But how do I install it so it doesn't write over my windows partition? [22:27] whoch option do I chose? [22:27] Guest96478: chose side by side :) [22:28] manually partition [22:28] I like to make /home separate [22:28] Guest96478: before you do so, it's advisable to do a defrag on the windows system. [22:29] phillw: how will it know to install on the ubuntu partition and not the windows [22:29] NewGuy: still their? [22:30] Yep [22:30] NewGuy: sorry i got pulled away [22:30] No problem [22:30] NewGuy: network manager is the icon in the top right of the panel [22:30] Guest96478: do you need the data on your existing installtion of ubuntu? [22:30] no [22:31] I can see other wireless connections but it doesn't seem to be connecting to my router [22:31] great, then you can simply remove the old partition and instal new one(s) [22:31] NewGuy: ok so the driver is likely loaded correctly [22:32] Guest96478: then do as UndiFineD says, select manual partitoning and remove the ubuntu ones. the windows area will show as ntfs or FAT32 area - Leave that one alone !!!!! [22:32] Got it working. I knew it was something simple I was missing [22:32] you will then have 'free space', tell ubuntu to install into the free space. [22:33] Had to tell it to connect to a hidden network. [22:33] okay, so I just the erase the ubuntu partition? [22:33] Guest96478: yup :) [22:33] Thanks for the help Duane [22:34] NewGuy: nice you got it [22:34] you can either also delete the /swap on and the install will make new one, else make a note of it and tell the install to use it. [22:34] Guest96478, I can fit ubuntu easily in 8192 MB, make a swap partition at the end of the disk with twice the size of memory and make a separate /home of the remaining space [22:35] NewGuy: thats great [22:35] Now the long process of updating until I can get my burner working again [22:36] NewGuy: are you updating to a new version? [22:36] phillw: so I do the "specify partitions manually" option [22:36] I started at 8.04 because that was the CD I had on hand [22:36] yes Guest96478 [22:36] NewGuy: ahh [22:37] NewGuy: from their you are going to which version? [22:38] NewGuy: I think it is safe yo go from 8.04 to 10.04 [22:38] Not sure yet. If I get impatient I might just stop at 9.04. I'm just setting up this laptop to learn how to hack my own network [22:38] Guest96478, and then you can remove the old ubuntu partition [22:38] Guest96478, and create new ones [22:38] what is the free space available ? [22:38] NewGuy: yeah it is generally a good idea to do them in steps [22:39] 150 gigs [22:39] NewGuy: here are some notes on going from 8.04 to 10.04 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades [22:40] I'm not quite sure how to do all this [22:40] Guest96478, first you make a primairy 8192 MB ext4 linux partition at the beginning of your free space [22:41] then you create another logical swap type partition at the end of the free space with twice the size of your memory [22:42] and then create another logical partition with the remainder of disk space for /home [22:43] this one is also ext4 filesystem format [22:44] Guest96478: unless you had a particular reason for wanting to do a fresh install you could also just do an upgrade. [22:44] -- eventhough this partitioning may seem hard now, the benefit is, in the future, if you decide to resinstall again, you do not need to make a backup of /home [22:45] how can I find out what kernel is being used? [22:45] duanedesign, he has 9.10 [22:45] $ uname -a [22:45] Linux head 2.6.35-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 5 19:17:11 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux [22:46] guest3640: run the command uname -a in a Terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) [22:46] Duane, it says that the repositories are no longer available [22:47] kk, found that, I'm trying to edit the file /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 but I can't find it, or don't have it [22:47] I'm in windows right now [22:48] Guest96478, :) [22:49] guest3640: hmm. i dont have that [22:50] If I just upgrade from the internet will that be okay too? I wanted to install it fresh because I heard people sometimes have problems when they upgrade from the internet [22:50] I guess I don't either, just trying to get my sound to work, as old as the board is I expected it to be found and installed when I installed ubuntu [22:50] guest3640, why the edit ? how about /etc/modprobe.d/ ? [22:53] Guest96478, : although you can do the upgrade procedure, it is possible you run into trouble [22:53] Guest96478, : and it takes much longer than a clean install [22:56] Is there anything online that walks you through it? [22:58] upgrading is easy [22:58] alt+f2 : upgrade-manager -d [22:59] but it can go wrong sometimes [22:59] eh [22:59] alt+f2 : update-manager -d [23:00] date not grade [23:11] well I got it to see the onboard sound, now I need it to output to the sp/dif opitical port, can anyone help with that ? [23:12] sudo alsactl [23:13] it says, "Specify command..." [23:13] ??? [23:14] # other modules go here [23:14] snd-hda-intel [23:14] snd-hda-codec [23:14] oops, [23:14] alsactl: Specify command... [23:27] ok, I've made some progress, it sees the monitor and tv now but still no sound, any ideas ? [23:40] G Day all :D [23:42] hey, nlsthzn_work [23:47] mbergamo: Slow times in the beginners room I see... [23:47] nlsthzn_work: yeah I think everyone is just sitting around waiting for the meeting. [23:48] Cool, what meeting?! [23:48] well now I have a new problem, I tell it to use the monitor as default but it keeps going back to the tv, can that be fixed ? [23:49] nlsthzn_work: the ubuntu beginners team meeting ;) [23:52] mbergamo: Makes sense... So are we allowed to lurk? [23:53] nlsthzn_work: Yup, I'm new here and can't vote or anything so I'm just going to sit quiet and watch. #ubuntu-meeting [23:54] mbergamo: so the meeting is an a seperate channel? Or in this one? [23:55] nlsthzn_work: #ubuntu-meeting [23:55] nlsthzn_work: separate one #ubunty-meeting [23:55] ubuntu-meeting* [23:55] k, thx [23:56] will be good to see a meeting in action.. get a feel for how Ubuntu peeps go about this kind of thing :) [23:57] nlsthzn_work: exactly :)