[04:05] Morning all [04:09] heyya nigelb [04:10] hey there paultag [04:10] challah [04:11] how was your weekend? [04:12] nigelb, crazy. I spent over 14 hours sitting at my computer without any breaks ( missed lunch and dinner ) [04:12] I've not gone to sleep yet, and I'm still going to be late on two assignments for Uni [04:12] nigelb, I also had my interview today, it went really really well [04:13] paultag: hrm, sounds like pro geek [04:13] long hours in front of computer check, without food, check, late for work work check [04:13] :D [04:13] paultag: With Google? [04:13] :) [04:13] nhandler, yessir [04:13] nhandler, I killed the second interview. It was awesome. [04:13] \o/ [04:14] nigelb, Check it out [04:14] paultag: github? [04:15] no no, I was going to paste something in [04:15] aha [04:15] nigelb, he had me explain: int f(int n) { return n & ( n - 1 ); } [04:16] honor system, no googling :) [04:16] itd just return the value of n-1 wouldnt it? [04:17] * nigelb blinks [04:17] no ma'am maco [04:17] how can you return 2 values? [04:17] nigelb, you're not [04:17] nigelb: & is a bitwise and [04:17] you're ANDing them [04:17] * nhandler feels proud for remembering it was bitwise AND. He couldn't remember what it did [04:17] nhandler, :) [04:17] right [04:17] right but... bitwise and on 011 and 010 is 010 [04:17] so it would return 1 [04:18] (if n = 3) [04:18] 3 & 2 would be 1 right? [04:18] no thatd be XOR [04:18] maco, try for cases up to 12 or so, might help make some things clear :) [04:18] +1 maco [04:18] nigelb, 3 & 2 is 2 [04:18] oh, right. [04:19] * nigelb forgets his bitwise [04:19] 01100 & 01011 = 01000 [04:19] returns highest power of two contained in n? [04:19] I don't think I've ever actually used a bitwise function like that in my code. I've read about them, just never used them [04:19] maco, that's what I thought at first as well [04:20] I belive they were invented soley for the purpose of interviews and exams :p [04:20] maco, but think about what doing a -1 does, and how it relates to the original ( in base 2 ) [04:20] j/k [04:20] nigelb, this is actually super useful [04:20] nhandler: i had an assignment in school where we were told specific operators we were allowed to use and given a maximum number of them per question... [04:20] maco: I like stuff like that. They are fun puzzles ;) [04:20] paultag: im assuming you mean 2s-complement base 2 [04:21] invert and add 1 is negation... [04:21] maco, No, I mean, think about what bits you change when you subtract one [04:22] ( and keep in mind that you're ANDing that against the original ) [04:23] 11: 01011 & 01010 = 01010 [04:23] 0001 --> 1110 [04:24] 10: 01010 & 01001 = 01000 [04:25] eh? thats 1s complement..not what computers use. -1 is 1111 isnt it? [04:26] maco, I'm using big-endian [04:26] maco, ones place is far left [04:26] weird [04:26] I think it makes more sense :) [04:26] maco, want what I came up with? [04:26] my brain doesnt go in that order! [04:26] :) [04:27] far be it for me to ruin a good puzzle, though :) [04:27] im still pondering [04:27] sure sure, I'll be here [04:28] paultag: I commend you dear sir. You finally did manage to stump her with something. [04:29] nigelb, nah, she'll figure it out [04:29] nigelb, it's just something you need to ponder a bit, it's tricky for sure. [04:29] took me about 20 minutes or so for this question [04:29] paultag: on the phone? [04:30] i.e. interview on the phone or in person? [04:30] nigelb, yeah, over the phone. This was interview 2, I would not do a physical one until another iteration later [04:30] nigelb, and that's *if* they think i'm good enough [04:33] who is this? [04:33] maco, I'm interviewing with google. [04:34] ah [04:34] if you want to be in a diff dept dont tell them til youre hired [04:35] they asked me to do on-site interview, and i told them i wanted to do swe not sre and they stopped talking to me [04:35] maco, good call. I'm doing the SRE thing right now, I figured I could migrate later. Plus I want to not be in the USA [04:35] im pretty sure there were only 2 phone interviews before i was offered an on-site... [04:36] one with recruiter, one with former-sre-turned-security-dude [04:36] maco, humm, my recruiter told me two ( to make sure there's an average ) [04:36] or something. I'm not that vested in knowing the in-s and out-s :) [04:37] oh i thought you were telling nigel there are 3 phone ones before in-person [04:37] i was not given any programming questions [04:37] maco, one screen and two with other hackers [04:38] maco, I've been given lots of coding questions, it rocks. I feel like a big boy [04:38] i was asked about tcp headers, osi layers... that kind of stuff [04:38] maco, Ahha, I said I did not know anything about networking. I know a bit, but best not say that. [04:38] and was asked to explain some filesystems stuff since i used to work for a company that did fs researchy stuff [04:38] I was given UNIX / POSIX internals and coding [04:38] just my stuff [04:38] the screen was unix/posix stuff [04:39] :) [04:39] did they ask you about "stat"? [04:39] maco, they sure did [04:39] maco, and how chmod stored stuff [04:39] maco, I got all of those [04:39] i didnt give it as an answer because i dont expect people to know about it:P [04:39] maco, hehehe [04:46] maco, let me know if you want my solution ( which I believe to be correct ) to that bitwise and function [04:46] I now realize how geeky 2 of my best friends on IRC area. [04:46] s/area/are [04:47] nigelb, <3 [04:47] I'm a nerd, and I'm damn proud. [04:47] paultag: pictures of my weekend PM'd :) [04:48] nigelb, cheers, opening now :) [04:48] 3rd picture = awesomenessof burst photography [04:49] totally nigelb :) [04:50] nigelb, rock on, looks like you had yourself some fun :) [04:59] paultag: oh yes, totally [04:59] paultag: ther are some really fail photos of me playing badminton [04:59] hehe [05:00] I can always find you by that mustache [05:01] heh [05:01] paultag: when I applied for visa 'somone' did tell me they remember me as the guy with the mustache and don't shave or they wouldn't be able to identify :p [05:01] hahaha [06:54] popey: bad connection? :D [07:35] good morning! [07:47] Huomenta dholbach [07:47] hi jussi [08:05] hola dpm [08:05] heya dholbach [08:05] good morning everyone [08:20] morning dholbach, jussi, dpm :) [08:21] hi nigelb [08:21] dholbach: Hows your morning? :) [08:22] good, although it's ....... cold here, I manage to go for a run this morning [08:22] how was yours? [08:22] dholbach: cold? how cold is it there? [08:22] Its raining here, so far so good :) [08:23] jussi, it's not cold by your standards, but cold if you stand there in your running clothes [08:23] 3°C [08:23] dholbach: ahh yeah, fun. do you guys not have those winer running suits? [08:24] we do, but maybe it's not the specialist equipment they have in Finland to endure -30°C :-P [08:24] hah [08:25] Its not *that* cold here though ;) [08:34] hey nigelb [08:37] dholbach: hehe [09:40] good morning lovelies how are we all doing today [09:40] hey daker, randa, czajkowski - how are you doing? [09:41] goood :) [09:41] day 2 of fun job [09:41] hey dholbach czajkowski [09:42] hi dholbach, czajkowski [09:44] Morning has broken! [09:44] bah naf song now in head [09:44] yuck smell of fresh coffee [09:45] czajkowski: song in your head? cake song? ;) [09:45] no [09:45] monrning has broken [09:45] nigelb: you're a little obsessed with cake song [09:45] you need to listen to more music [09:46] czajkowski: Indeed. [09:46] czajkowski: There is something else stuck in my head which you just reminded me again [09:46] which is\? [09:47] this is an odd keyboard === nlawson_ is now known as nlawson [09:47] a song a friend of mine wrote... [09:53] czajkowski: yuck? fresh coffee is an awesome smell! [09:54] no, hate it, and the grounding machine is close by. [09:54] jussi: she's just landed in the uk; i'd give her a week to say its lovely [09:54] haha [09:54] meh not the end of the world and if that's my only issue, I think it's fine [09:54] nigelb: she is a tea girl - Im teaasing ;) [09:54] jussi: aah :D [09:54] mmmmm *slurp* Tea [09:54] I've been to tea factory [09:54] it was nauseating - the smell [10:26] morning [12:20] morning all [12:20] morning duanedesign [12:20] good day nigel :) [12:21] Oh, DST happened, right. [12:21] I did wonder why everything is later compared to me. [12:22] nigelb: yes [12:22] well, rather we all switched off DST [12:22] Well, yeah, either way its kind of irritating. [12:26] * duanedesign agrees [12:26] who would i talk to about having a session in #ubuntu-classroom, anyone know? [12:26] pleia [12:26] nisshh: somone in classroom team :) [12:26] theres a classroom team? [12:26] nisshh: well, yes. You can talk to me :) [12:27] * nigelb is in classroom team [12:27] ok [12:27] nigelb, here or a PM? [12:27] nisshh: in an email would be great :D [12:27] nigelb: this is a good link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Submissions [12:27] oops [12:27] nisshh: ^^ [12:27] nisshh: ^^ [12:27] :) [12:27] thanks duanedesign [12:27] I finally found a tab buddy \o/ [12:28] i just did a blog post on the classroom team so I had the link handy [12:28] nigelb: :D mohi started the tab fail committee in the BT channel [12:28] duanedesign: lol [12:29] nigelb, that may be a bit formal for what i want to do [12:29] nigelb: i think i have earned vice President [12:29] nisshh: well, basically just send the mail and one of us will add to the calender [12:29] I didn't want you to get blocked by me. I'll be stepping out in a few [12:29] nigelb, i want to find out if it would be possible for my loco to host a session in -classroom fortnightly [12:29] yes it would [12:29] ah ok [12:30] right [12:30] we'l love to have people come in and have sessions :) [12:30] yeah [12:30] nigelb, ill send the email then [12:30] \o/ [12:30] thanks nigelb :) [12:31] np, happy to help ) [12:31] *:) [12:31] wait, that's wrong === jorge is now known as jcastro [14:18] hey dholbach [14:18] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-community.html [14:18] a bunch of my stuff is missing [14:18] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntudotcom-community-onramp [14:18] any idea? [14:19] heya jcastro [14:19] Series goal: None [14:20] what is it supposed to be? [14:20] nm I see it [14:21] dholbach: ugh, will that screw our graph up? [14:21] This like doubles mine [14:21] jcastro, I can reset the line [14:21] I don't get it [14:22] why is ours all behind? [14:22] dpm and kim0's don't even show up? [14:22] jcastro, check the blueprints and see if they were accepted for natty [14:22] oh [14:22] jcastro, if not jono didn't do it [14:22] jcastro, I think it's because jono hasn't still approved them [14:22] so wait, is JONO supposed to do it? [14:22] oh [14:22] so I think I just accepted mine and wasn't supposed to [14:23] haha [14:23] sweet [14:23] you're fired! [14:23] * dpm hugs jcastro [14:24] dholbach: I undid them [14:24] lol [14:24] ye are amusing [14:26] dholbach: oh hey nhandler says the HoF box for askubuntu is broken [14:26] yes [14:26] if somebody wants to go and fix the css, be my guest [14:26] I'm really too busy to do it [14:26] also that you're a bad person [14:26] yeah, I know [14:26] (I made that last part up) [14:27] oh, the data is broken [14:27] I see [14:27] I'll add it to my TODO [14:27] we're screenscraping askubuntu [14:27] I guess their html changed [14:28] Why not use the stackexchange api? Or does that not do what you want it to do? [14:28] reputation leagues don't have an API yet [14:29] :( [14:29] otherwise I'd have a box of awesome people on my blog! [14:37] " I would suggest that you do some research into the behaviour of Ubuntu community members when they are not constrained by the CoC (in outside forums/ communities) to get a proper feel for the true underlying issues. There are a lot I know you don’t want to hear this, but some of the most arrogant and hurtful people I’ve encountered online have been Ubuntu community members. " [14:37] you know, I hear people say this sometimes [14:37] but like, when you ask for specifics ... [14:39] jcastro: it's valid point [14:39] yeah, but where? [14:43] on a more personal note [14:43] I made boycottnovell! [14:43] http://techrights.org/2010/11/08/open-but-not-exactly-free/ [14:44] Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh! [14:44] have you tried listening to their audiocast [14:44] I subjected myself to some minutes of it last night. [14:45] see I can hear popey accent when he says these things on irc [14:45] it's rather amusing [14:45] and I giggle [14:45] then folks look at me [14:45] quizically.. [14:45] must remember am not in my bedroom any more and there are people beside me [14:46] o_O [14:46] czajkowski: can you get away with listening to podcasts using headphones while at work? [14:46] (or music or something) [14:46] i find listening to podcasts too distracting, music is good though [14:47] because then start a habit of doing so when you giggle at something said on IRC in the future you can say "sorry, something on the podcast I was listening to" [14:47] Pendulum: smart [14:48] I could listen to UUPC but I really do laugh a lot listening to it [14:48] this weeks uupc is a bit... different :) [14:48] czajkowski: picked that up from someone else. thought I'd pass on the advice :P [14:48] popey: you lot didn't go all serious on us, did you? [14:48] popey: you've not gone and gotten all serious on us have ye [14:48] quite, quite the opposite [14:48] popey: lol [14:48] popey: was it awesome? [14:48] i ope so [14:48] czajkowski: jinx :P [14:48] *hope [14:49] ok there is a phone for me tomorrow [14:49] it's an............................iphone [14:49] popey: are they english too? [14:49] jcastro: tim is, roy has an odd accent [14:49] it's just insanely dull [14:49] awww [14:49] they talk about it being punchy [14:49] but it's 1.5 hours long! [14:49] I'm sure it's not [14:49] thats one damned long punch [14:49] czajkowski: did you not specify android? [14:50] czajkowski: iphone4? [14:50] dont think so popey [14:50] I can see it on the desk [14:50] but it's locked and the simn is in a drawer [14:50] heh [14:50] still a phone is a phone and will stop me roaming on this one [14:50] yeah, good move [14:51] aye so just house and NI to sort out [14:51] and got an interview date for 2 weeks time so not bad I guess === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:40] popey: Thanks for the note on sounder. [15:56] popey: i am having some trouble getting my latest screencast posted. If you get some time could you take a look. [16:02] np Pici [16:02] duanedesign: wassup? [16:04] thanks popey nice mail ;( [16:04] :) [16:06] duanedesign: I'd look at another post and copy the contents, you've linked the url in the post to the ogv, thats now how it works, the url in the post should be the url _of_ the post [16:12] popey: ahh, ok. For some reason the video is not coming up when I preview the page. [16:12] yes, because the content is missing [16:12] look at the content for another video [16:14] :) [16:14] lol, thanks [16:21] popey: much better. thats a bit embarrasing. we don't have to ever speak of this again :) [16:22] I don't think anyone noticed [16:22] :) [16:25] morning all [16:26] Technoviking: ello ello [16:27] hello Technoviking [16:34] What ho Technoviking ! [16:34] Alas poor Technoviking, I knew him Horatio. [16:36] just bullocks Ubuntu 10.10 on my Macbook Pro trying to get vga_switcheroo working [16:57] ok my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! [16:58] dholbach: have a good night [16:58] Technoviking, you too [16:59] dholbach, I think that's a really good idea. Calling it a day here too :) [16:59] * dholbach hugs you all [16:59] good night everyone! [17:00] dholbach: toodles [17:00] bye :) [17:21] *yawns* [17:28] * duanedesign yawns [17:28] its contagious [17:30] the real problem with yawning is that it takes energy [17:31] duanedesign: you know the link on planet ubuntu to the screencast is broken? [17:33] duanedesign: you need to remove the leading slashes from the url field [17:34] duanedesign: just fixed them [17:37] jono_: What was that community member feedback wiki page again? I need to reference the results. [17:37] thanks popey === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [17:38] doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityReview/Sep2010 <--this one? [17:47] thanks duanedesign [17:49] grrr. trying to help out the Mactel team, but they will not approve my membership to the team [17:53] wut [17:53] there is a team? [17:54] https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support [17:54] popey: yup [17:54] are they just not around or have they rejected? [17:55] not around, but package in there ppa are getting updated [17:55] "Please DO NOT request to join this team unless you have some experience with programming." [17:55] nice [17:55] yeah thoght so too [17:56] you thinking of updating the packages? [17:56] there are some maverick packages there [17:56] yeah,just fixed the btusb package to work with the MacbookPro6,2 [17:56] one uploaded 3 hours ago [17:56] maybe ping Henrik Rydberg [17:56] he's active [17:57] good idea [17:59] popey: going to build it for my ppa for now [18:24] jono_: don't forget about me today! :) [18:24] jcastro, I won't, have a call and then let's talk at 1pm my time [18:25] rock === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [20:02] goedenavond [20:05] gezundheit [20:07] Come on, it must remind you somewhat of 'guttenabend' when you try to pronounce it! :) [20:57] nearly ready jcastro [20:57] finishing lunch [20:57] sure [20:57] I am just hanging out [20:58] jono_: can we do skype? I find it's voice activation is much better [20:59] jcastro, yeah, will call soon [21:53] coming home to baby hugs is a massive perk [21:53] soo adorably cute [21:53] my cat just scratches me [21:53] :D [21:54] czajkowski: your new job is going well? [21:55] duanedesign: yup only day 2 so far, but everyone is really nice and fun. [21:55] duanedesign: it's for 6 months so I get to have some fun trying new stuff and see how it goes [21:57] czajkowski: that is great [21:57] yup [21:58] czajkowski: the people you work with, and your boss, can make a huge difference [21:58] its stuff I've never done before as well so good to learn [21:58] duanedesign: so frigging true [21:59] czajkowski: i worked at a place once, the first day I was their the guy in the ofice across the hall comes over and introduces himself "Hi, Im the &^%hole around here" [22:00] o.O [22:00] lovely [22:00] no the folks chat about which distro they use at work [22:00] it's amusing I've never had that before [22:00] haha [22:00] though there was lots of laughing when my ubuntu machine started to misbehave [22:01] czajkowski: your blog post is awesome [22:02] I have 60 days of free Sirius in my car! [22:02]