[01:48] <NCommander> cjwatson: just to confirm, you don't have a copy of the spice seed notes, right? (I think I pinged you already on this, but I can't remember)
[06:32] <supasamurai> hello, is there any nice app that installs a bootable ubuntu installer from a mac?
[06:35] <supasamurai> uh, from a mac onto a usb stick, I mean, to be booted on an i386 netbook w/o a cd drive?
[06:37] <supasamurai> or just some way of verifying a current USB stick to see if it's going to boot and fixing potential problems without having to actually try to boot from it?
[06:37] <supasamurai> am I talking to myself?
[09:18] <cjwatson> NCommander: sorry, I don't
[09:21] <NCommander> cjwatson: damn it. Seems the notes drops into a gobby crack. I'm hoping we can get audio logs, but I'm thinking this spec si probably going to be delayed for awhile until I can rebuild the spec by memory
[12:34] <ev> grep fail.  What's the current state of affairs with respect to avoiding replaying the journal? I'm adding the preserve home option to partman-auto and I want to be sure I'm not doing that when mounting.  I recall the blockdev --setro trick, but that seems to be long gone.  Equally, norecovery seems to be filesystem-specific.
[12:36] <cjwatson> coincidence: I'm *just* in the process of preparing a Debian busybox upload including blockdev --setro
[12:36] <ev> wow, crazy
[12:36] <cjwatson> you should lurk on #debian-boot@oftc :-)
[12:36] <ev> so that os-prober patch is the preferred method
[12:36] <cjwatson> yeah, putting all the pieces together for that now
[12:36] <ev> ugh, more irc networks.  But sure, I really should
[12:36] <ev> on it now
[13:02] <ev> damn oftc and its 3+ character nick requirement
[18:28] <Mjolinor> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall I am trying to install using the instruciton there, problem is I am not using usb or optical, I have neither. I do have an ubuntu install on sda and hte disk I want to install on as sdb
[18:29] <Mjolinor> no istrucitnos I can find for doing that. Any links please
[18:29] <Mjolinor> before the computer goes out hte window
[19:10] <cjwatson> Mjolinor: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/index.html maybe?  (specifically, "Preparing Files for Hard Disk Booting" and the following links)
[19:46] <highvoltage> cjwatson: graphical d-i is now in ubuntu!? awesome!!!
[19:49] <cjwatson> not currently planning to attempt to squeeze it onto our CDs, mind
[19:49] <cjwatson> but presumably a flavour could select it if they wanted - they'd then take on primary responsibility for QAing it.  or you can use it with netboot
[19:52] <highvoltage> that's a good improvement :)
[19:52] <Mjolinor> hmm, thanks for that but I replace dhte motherboard, its now AMD64, the install on the existing IDE is i386 and hte new sata has nothign on
[20:00] <cjwatson> well, you can download the amd64 files instead
[20:00] <cjwatson> make the obvious change to the URL
[20:00] <Mjolinor> I have them, the mini.iso
[20:00] <Mjolinor> I can extract it and copy it to the new sata disk
[20:00] <Mjolinor> I think all i need to do is install grub on the new sata disk when I am booted form the ide disk
[20:01] <Mjolinor> which si wher eI am stuck right now
[20:01] <cjwatson> simply extracting the mini.iso doesn't give you an Ubuntu installation
[20:01] <Mjolinor> I need a boot MBR, which i SHOULD HAVE with the install-mbr command and I need grub to point where it shoudl
[20:02] <cjwatson> but if you just extracted mini.iso and copied that, as you said, then all you have is the installere
[20:02] <cjwatson> *installer
[20:02] <Mjolinor> yup
[20:02] <Mjolinor> I need to read soemwheat
[20:03] <Mjolinor> I think I need to chroot after amkign the new fiel system, seems a lot of work when everythign is there and working :)
[20:03] <cjwatson> errr
[20:03] <cjwatson> slow down
[20:03] <cjwatson> in fact, stop
[20:03] <Mjolinor> :)
[20:03] <cjwatson> it would be easier to modify the bootloader configuration that you're using to boot from the IDE disk, to point to the vmlinuz and initrd.gz extracted from the mini.iso
[20:03] <cjwatson> use that to boot into the installer
[20:03] <Mjolinor> ok
[20:03] <cjwatson> the URL I gave above goes to instructions for this
[20:04] <cjwatson> you should extract them to your filesystem on the IDE disk, not to something you've created on the SATA disk
[20:04] <Mjolinor> so basically put initrd and hte kernel into the boot foleder of hte ide and edit grub to use it
[20:04] <cjwatson> into anywhere grub can read from, doesn't have to be /boot, but yes
[20:04] <Mjolinor> ok
[20:04] <cjwatson> make sure you don't overwrite the ones you're actually booting your existing system from
[20:04] <Mjolinor> tyhat should start hte installer on the ide disk and the installer will ask me where I want to install
[20:05] <Mjolinor> sounds like a plan :)
[20:05] <Mjolinor> results shortly :)
[20:13] <Mjolinor> Installer started :) whoopedoop
[20:21] <Mjolinor> that was close, the installed swapped my sda sdb round, nearly did the wrong one :)
[20:22] <cjwatson> disk ordering is effectively random, try not to rely on it
[20:22] <cjwatson> depends on things like module load order, bus probe order, etc.
[20:22] <Mjolinor> thankfully I didn't
[20:23] <cjwatson> you have backups anyway, right? ;-)
[20:23] <Mjolinor> hmm
[20:23] <Mjolinor> I refuse to comment on that
[20:23] <cjwatson> wise move
[20:25] <Mjolinor> why did I not think of doing it this way, I have been rakcing my brains on it for hours
[20:26] <Mjolinor> its really easy, at lest with my version of grub, from what i remmeebr I cant edit the menu.lst file on the new one that wil  be installed but Im sure I will get used to it
[20:26] <cjwatson> you shouldn't edit grub.cfg in GRUB 2 directly, because it's autogenerated, but you can edit /etc/default/grub or the files in /etc/grub.d/
[20:27] <cjwatson> (and then run update-grub)
[20:27] <cjwatson> the problem with menu.lst was that it was both an input and an output file, and the scripting required to make it all hang together was fiendishly complicated, kept going wrong, and was fundamentally impossible to fix properly
[20:27] <Mjolinor> hmm not looking good right now, stuck at 33% on the formatting and my keyboard leds are all flashing
[20:27] <cjwatson> keyboard lights flashing means that the kernel has crashed
[20:28] <Mjolinor> not such a good start then :)
[20:28] <cjwatson> if you really did reformat the correct disk, you should be able to try again
[20:28] <Mjolinor> i wil
[20:28] <cjwatson> I can't generally help with kernel problems though
[20:28] <Mjolinor> if I did the wrong disk then I am sure I have a plethora of other old ides with ubuntu on
[20:33] <Mjolinor> same again :(
[20:33] <cjwatson> switch to alt-f4 when the formatting starts, and see if you get any useful messages there just before the crash
[20:34] <Mjolinor> I will reboot off the ide properly and manually partition and format
[20:35] <cjwatson> just to check, which mini.iso did you use?  netboot?
[20:35] <cjwatson> you could try the netboot mini.iso from a different version of Ubuntu
[20:35] <cjwatson> anyway, done for the night I think
[20:35] <Mjolinor> I wil check that too, I thought it was the amd64 one but I will get it again to be sure
[20:36] <Mjolinor> th\anks for the help
[20:37] <Mjolinor> not sure if I should use ext 4 rather than ext3
[20:38] <Mjolinor> any input?
[20:47] <Mjolinor> seems to be away now, installing base system. I formatted it before I ran the installer
[20:57] <cjwatson> netboot and amd64 are different categories
[20:57] <cjwatson> saying "it's not netboot, it's amd64" doesn't make sense because there is an amd64 netboot image :-)
[20:58] <Mjolinor> ok
[20:58] <Mjolinor> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[20:58] <Mjolinor> I used hta tone
[20:58] <Mjolinor> seems to be OK now
[20:59] <cjwatson> netboot, by the looks of things.  ok
[21:02] <Mjolinor> hmm select adn install software step failed
[21:06] <cjwatson> alt-f4 should have logs, and did you follow whatever instructions were on that wiki page regarding kernel parameters to pass from grub?
[21:07] <Mjolinor> :)
[21:07] <Mjolinor> nope
[21:07] <Mjolinor> Ill read about it if it doesnt work
[21:07] <Mjolinor> i ran it again and jsut deselected the extra apckages I had chosen
[21:07] <Mjolinor> seems OK :)