[00:49] Got a 16GB usb stick for the arm box. That ought to give us a big enough /var/cache/pbuilder to build Qt. [00:49] * ScottK is gonna try again. [00:54] uestion [00:55] i need a g++ compiler but they all say for amd64 [00:55] will it still work on an i386install? [01:00] oh, that's not how you phrased your question in #kubuntu [01:00] lol [01:00] i dont know [01:00] i am used to yahoo chat [01:00] I would say: you 'll have to try [01:00] i have lost my irc connections 15years ago [01:01] do you have a 64-bit machine? [01:01] and quit irc 8 [01:01] yes [01:01] intell core [01:01] some people still install 32bit OS [01:01] and then just use some 64-bit apps [01:01] i did not know that would work [01:01] so you'll just have to try, and see if they work [01:01] in windows you have to have 64bit to install 64bit [01:02] I couldn't get, for instance, Google Gears to work that way [01:02] but now I have 64-bit OS installed [01:03] oops, dinner time [01:03] valorie: I think it's the other way around. [01:03] loll [01:03] good luck [01:03] it is [01:03] 64bit os 32bit program [01:03] You can run 32bit apps on 64bit, but not the reverse. [01:03] and ScottK is a guru, so listen to him, not me [01:03] i wish [01:03] lol [01:03] :-) [01:03] i have a brother named scott lol [01:04] is there any g++ compiler for i386 install? [01:04] theannihilator: Yes. [01:05] You can build for 32bit on a 64bit platform too, but I don't know the details. [01:05] lol [01:06] (I haven't needed to do it) [01:07] i may just say screw it and install 1010 on wuzbi with a 64bit install [01:07] theannihilator: What are you trying to do? [01:08] compile inspircd [01:08] but i need to compile it withg++ [01:08] What is the target system you are trying to build it for? [01:14] sry i was afk [01:14] OK. Attempt #2 to build Qt on this box launched. [01:14] what you mean target system [01:14] Are you trying to build for 32 or 64 bit and is the system you're building on 32 or 64? [01:15] i dont know truthfully [01:15] i think it is 32bit [01:15] If they are the same, it's easy, just install build-essential and you'll have g++ installed. [01:15] its what i am on now [01:15] and the program is 32bit [01:15] Then you can just install g++ and you have it. [01:16] is 1010 better than 104? [01:16] Depends on what you're looking for. [01:17] an irc server [01:17] Shiny new stuff, but the X stack seems a bit more wobbly. For a server, I'd stay on 10.04. [01:17] You can get serverish support in #ubuntu-server. [01:17] (server devs hang out there too) [01:18] fyi it will prolly be in a vm client [01:18] not in a seperate install [01:18] cause i am just using this isntall to test because my computers firewall is messed up.... [01:40] Hello, I am from the Artwork Team and I am looking for the best contact in regards to Kubuntu artwork. [01:40] hello again, j_baer [01:40] :-) [01:40] Hello, am I in the right place? [01:40] Riddell: ping [01:41] ^^^ [01:41] yes j_baer you are in the right place [01:41] hmmm, Riddell may be sleeping [01:41] and it looks like ScottK just stepped out [01:42] DarkwingDuck: are you about? [01:42] valorie: aye [01:42] read up a bit [01:43] Hello - DarkwingDuck! [01:43] Greetings [01:43] we talked about this at UDS, but I don't recall who the contact person is [01:43] valorie: what am I looking for? [01:43] [17:40] Hello, I am from the Artwork Team and I am looking for the best contact in regards to Kubuntu artwork. [01:44] ahhhh hah [01:44] Hey j_baer [01:45] I know we just started the release cycle but I am hoping to identify needs early. [01:45] that's very cool, actually [01:45] Of course j_baer give me just a second. [01:45] speaking of... I need to get the docs things orgonized... [01:47] j_baer: what were you thinking in re of the artwork? [01:47] While you are looking I would like to note the "new" Artwork Team Wiki. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork ) [01:48] We have changed our focus from being release driven to task driven. [01:48] ahhh [01:48] j_baer: the only ones listed at this timecan be found here... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo#Kubuntu%20Natty%20Community [01:48] Our hope is this will provide some flexibility in completing assignments. [01:49] *nods* We really don't have a dedicated Artwork persone at this time. [01:49] The people who have been doing the web site work are probably the most active. [01:50] ryanakca, ofirk, and IIRC yofel. [01:50] shtylman (also not here) has done some in the past. [01:50] agreed [01:50] * yofel hasn't done anything artwork related [01:50] j_baer: What does being task driven mean? [01:51] A task is a request from the community. [01:51] From our perspective we need stuff for a release and getting stuff too late for a release, doesn't much help. [01:51] In many cases a task will be linked to a release ( wallpaper ). [01:52] I see. [01:52] In some cases the need is more immediate ( icon). [01:52] And in others it may be longer ( as in a icon theme ) [01:53] hey jjesse [01:53] j_baer: do you have any influence on products for sale in the Ubuntu store? [01:53] we have no new Kubuntu items in there [01:53] Only those I buy :) [01:53] :( [01:53] ok [01:54] A long term goal is to become more in sync with the Design Team. [01:54] Ok everyone, gotta go. Thanks for your help! [01:55] valorie: how are you at being an editor in chief aka spell and grammer check? [01:57] I'm rather awesome [01:57] although more pairs of eyes are the best [01:58] also, I sometimes have my hubby read stuff, to see if it's readable to someone who isn't part of the group [01:59] *nods* My spelling and grammer sucks (Ask nixternal, jjesse or ScottK) [01:59] We had a editor for the last major re-write we did... [01:59] Hmmz... [02:00] boo, we aren't listed at all on that artwork page [02:00] odd that we are missing [02:01] as I visit wiki pages, I fix them for clarity, spelling, etc. [02:01] I was refering more toward the LP Branch for docs. [02:01] Hang on... Dinner [02:02] certainly [02:02] I'm in for a dime, and in for a dollar [02:02] :) [02:03] Schmecken Sie gut! [02:04] hiya dantti_work [02:04] do' [02:05] hiya DarkwingDuck [02:05] hahah silly tab completion [02:05] sorry dantti_work [02:42] * dasKreech gives valorie a dime [02:43] thanks! [02:44] not much you can get for a dime these days [02:46] I know the inflation has taken the penny for my thoughts over to 12 cents now! [02:55] jjesse: np, I wasn't at work :P [02:55] * dantti go to bed [02:55] haha sorry === muesli_ is now known as muesli === Darkwing1uck is now known as DarkwingDuck === fabo_ is now known as fabo === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T [08:45] Riddell, arounds? === hrw|gone is now known as hrw === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:16] anyone else noticed kPackeKit failing in last few days with http://paste.ubuntu.com/529238/ it then continually (every 10mins or so) updates the cache and searches for new updates in the notification area and dissapears before I can really click it.. [10:19] freeflying: hi [10:20] felimwhiteley: we use the aptcc backend now, are you using 10.10? [10:21] Riddell: no, 10.04 but using the backports for 4.5 (I don't really remember seeing an update in last week) and it had been working fine till about mid week last week [10:21] Riddell, will you have time to review ubuntu-chinese-default-settings? [10:26] freeflying: can do [10:47] felimwhiteley: kpackagekit has gotten loads better in 10.10 [10:47] I finally trust it again [10:53] valorie: good to hear, although I never had a problem with it really... I generally use aptitude on commandline anyway... I use this machine for work so can't really afford any downtime [10:54] I had a horrid crash in the middle of updates [10:54] had to do a re-install [10:54] so it took some testing before I trusted it again [10:55] yeah I can see how that might leave an impression alright ;) [10:59] a reinstall from a kpackagekit crash? o.O [11:07] jussi: it kiboshed the whole upgrade [11:07] computer wouldn't start, as I recall [11:07] valorie: and apt-get install -f and dpkg --configure -a didnt help? [11:08] well, had I been able to get to a console [11:08] maybe [11:08] if I had known that then [11:08] valorie: note those for if you ever have issues during upgrade again :) [11:08] I downloaded the ISO to my daughter's old laptop, which had opensuse on it [11:09] had to tape the CD drive shut so it would write the CD [11:09] lol [11:09] maco was holding my hand via IRC during the entire horrible ordeal [11:10] however, I think I'll add that note to my way-too-long blogpost about it [11:15] done, thanks, and good night! [12:15] nhandler: what's this about the wiki theme not fitting in with kubuntu? [12:29] rdieter: we have a security patch in our packages from your friends at Red Hat, do you know if it has gone upstream? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520661 [12:29] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 520661 in vulnerability "CVE-2009-2702 kdelibs: kssl incorrect verification of SSL certificate with NUL in subjectAltName" [Low,New] === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:49] Riddell: Teams are working hard to modify their wiki pages to look good in the new ubuntu-light wiki theme. The issue is, a lot of the changes make the pages look terrible in the kubuntu theme [12:51] nhandler: what sort of modifications? [12:52] Riddell: Changing up headers, tables, and other formatting that might have included colors [12:53] nhandler: got any examples? [12:54] Riddell: The one you saw me talking about was w.u.c/BeginnersTeam (the headers at the top). They are better now, but not great [13:03] nhandler: really we want to take the new ubuntu theme and have a handy artist adapt it for kubuntu artwork [13:04] ah, hello j_baer [13:04] Riddell: Cool. Although the kubuntu theme still looks great. We just need to come up with a set of colors that looks ok across the themes that people can use [13:04] Hello, I stopped by last night see how the Artwork Team can assist. [13:05] What I am looking is a Kubuntu contact. :D [13:06] j_baer: contact for what? Kubuntu is a team so the best contact is just this channel or the mailing list === hrw is now known as hrw|afk [13:07] sheytan and ofir are the people doing artwork for the website [13:07] Who is doing the wallpaper? [13:09] j_baer: upstream [13:09] we like upstream's artwork and don't see a need to change it [13:10] especially given there are bits of kubuntu artwork that need done (like the aforementioned wiki theme) [13:11] We just completed work on our wiki page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork . [13:12] With all of the changes, it's tough to keep up. :) [13:12] If there is anything we can assist with please let us know. Thanks. [13:14] oh, he went [13:21] DarkwingDuck: sorry, been busy with family stuff, surprisingly [13:25] dantti: ah kewl [13:37] so someone complained about ksnapshot [13:37] jussi: http://www.elpauer.org/?p=509 [13:37] IIRC it was you :P [13:38] yay! [13:38] and yes, it was me [13:38] hey, that's cool :D [13:40] yeha [13:44] Riddell: did you send some gift vouchers to Ravi Maggon as well? 0_o [13:47] shadeslayer: ? [13:47] Riddell: the guy you sent the CD's too... he says there are gift vouchers too ... but theyre stuck @ TNT for now [13:50] nhandler: It seems like if people are redesigning wiki pages, they should be taking the themes into consideration and doing coordination before things start to look like crap. IIRC the same thing happened when they redid the main wiki page last time. [13:50] shadeslayer: I've no idea what that's about [13:51] ok [13:52] Riddell: RE your merges emails back to Debian - Last cycle svuorela and I looked at the PAM changes and neither of us knew enough about PAM to decide if those were appropriate for Debian or not (this is workspace). It might be nice to get someone who understands the changes to have a look. [13:58] ScottK: worryingly I don't remember where they came from [14:00] Is it [ Harald Sitter ] [14:00] * Add pam files for kscreensaver and kcheckpass (LP: #278842) [14:01] ah, the usual suspect [14:01] So maybe apachelogger can spare a tiny fraction of his enormous brain to see if he can expain if these are relevant to Debian. [14:02] now without looking I can say that those files almost certainly come from debian [14:02] KDE 3 packaging, and eventually got lost in KDE 4, hence I added them again [14:05] for more I 'd have to take a closer look, but since I am currently analyzing algorithms it might be a bit until I get to it... [14:05] Consultating with Hardy's kdebase debian/changelog seems to confirm this theory. [14:06] kdebase (4:2.1-20010115-1) unstable; urgency=low [14:06] * Adding in kscreensaver pam file [14:06] -- Ivan E. Moore II Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:00:00 -0700 [14:08] Kcheckpass doesn't get an explicit mention, but I suspect it's the same. [14:08] oh, oh, I think I remember [14:08] not entirely sure though [14:09] ScottK: do we even install them anymore? [14:11] * apachelogger thinks that nowadays everything goes through KDM's kgreeter plugins, hence using KDM's pam file... [14:11] also according to rules we do not setup the pam files other than kdm, so I suppose those other pams can be kicked out [14:12] Good point. [14:12] again, without closer look I might be wrong :) [14:12] They don't appear in any of the install files. [14:13] They aren't force in by debian/rules === hrw|afk is now known as hrw [14:21] apachelogger: When you have some spare context, it would be useful to see if we can eliminate these. [14:21] It does not appear they are used. [14:28] apachelogger: It does look like I have enough space on the arm box to build Qt now. I got a 16GB usb stick yesterday and mounted /var/cache to it. So I guess later today I should get to find out if the 4GB SD card it's got for swap will work out when it hits the linker. [14:32] it would hit the linker sooner if you had the icecream yet :) [14:34] It would. [14:34] Hopefully this weekend I'll set the other box up and then you can make that work. [14:35] Riddell: Do you have a sense that the discussion is going anywhere on the implicit IT bug? [14:39] ScottK: doko said he'd look at it today [14:39] Riddell: Thanks. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [15:05] ScottK: I? omg! :D [15:05] a dream come true :D [15:06] dantti: so, I ordered a super expensive printer... the printer manager thingy better be working :P [15:09] Riddell: I'm a bit skeptical that Nokia has suggested us breaking Qt ABI on armel is a good idea (see #ubuntu-devel). It probably merits keeping an eye on. [15:11] ScottK: I doubt they mind either way [15:11] OK. [15:13] they will switch to qreal==double for qt 5 and would be fine with us doing it now, us breaking ABI isn't their concern since they work at the source code level [15:13] OK. [15:14] It seems an odd thing for us to do at the distro level to me. [15:15] yes it is, ogra's logic that there's no or few third party packages and so we shouldn't care about them is inelegant but could be considered practical [15:16] One of the things that does exist is binary only, but distributable user space for the N900 display drivers. [15:16] It would be nice if we didn't break those (no idea if this would or not). [15:18] anyone knows if audio streams from uds have been recorded? or whom to poke about that? [15:19] I don't think they were, some were videod, could try asking jcastro [15:19] IIRC they aren't formally, but someone started capturing them ~Wednesday when they realized. [15:19] My memory says it was Rhonda, but that might be totally wrong. [15:26] Ah, so I was right. Rhonda was totally wrong. [15:27] ^^ [15:27] Riddell: uh.. werent the lightning talks recorded as well? [15:28] dunno [15:35] that reminds me [15:36] * apachelogger needs to fill a basket with notifications and send it to shtylman [15:36] .... [15:37] * shtylman is not amused [15:38] poor shtylman [15:38] shtylman: you should start a movement against notifications [15:39] yes I should [15:39] before I make application scoped notifications become scoped to the application window :P [15:40] http://www.notmart.org/images/notifications-46.png [15:40] only the top left one is reasonable [15:40] the others are just garbage [15:41] I think the kde people are starting to confuse mobile user interfaces with desktops [15:45] [muon] jmthomas * 1195216 * trunk/ (14 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed) [15:45] Add a view switching mechanism. OriginView has been renamed to the more generic [15:45] ViewSwitcher. A hash of QModelIndexes and QWidget pointers is kept in the === arpan is now known as arpanpatelia [16:43] ScottK: bug 673611 [16:43] Launchpad bug 673611 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) " trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/oxygen-air/win-login.png', which is also in package kdm 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu2 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673611 [16:43] ScottK: python-qt4 does work with python 3, although it would benefit from whatever dh_python3 does and being split out [16:44] Riddell: Yes. That's what I was asking barry to help out with. [16:44] hrw: Thanks. [16:44] np [16:47] ScottK: probably needs to start with sip (and ideally finish with python-kde4) [16:48] Riddell: Yep. Quintasan already started on sip and got some advice in #debian-python. [17:08] hrw: You have a fair amount of programming background (that seems generally true of the people Genensi was giving boxes too)? Any chance you might be able to look at the assembler changes needed in src/corelib/arch/qatomic_armv6.h (qt4-x11) so we don't need the implicit IT workaround anymore? [17:08] ScottK: my last application was in 2000. I am mostly build system guy [17:09] OK. [17:09] Nevermind then. [17:16] hrw: Fix uploaded. Thanks again. [17:16] ScottK: no problem again === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:19] ScottK: next week I plan to reinstall smartbook with maverick and check kde4/armel status there. [17:20] Cool. [17:20] ScottK: I did kde4/armel/natty build (with it=thumb workaround) but it segfaults like crazy [17:20] hrw|gone: How did you build it then? [17:20] want to check is it natty or hw fault first [17:20] Our Qt in the archive is built with that. [17:20] (as is kde4libs) [17:21] ScottK: added "export CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb" to kde4libs, kdebase, kdebase-workspace, kdeutils [17:21] OK. [17:21] Is that what segfaulted or something else? [17:21] now I have such ugly mix of natty and maverick on it that it is hard to debug where the problem is [17:22] drkonqi, plasma-desktop, any random qt/kde thing basically segfaults [17:22] OK. [17:22] Maverick was built with that too. [17:23] sure, but also with gcc 4.4 [17:23] True. [17:23] 4.5 failed to build one object iirc in kdebase-workspace - had to build it with 4.4 [17:23] but only one .o - rest was with 4.5 [17:25] Do you remember what the issue was? [17:26] ok, have a nice rest of week + weekend [17:26] ScottK: duplicated label in assembly source [17:26] .LPIC132 or sth like that [17:26] OK. [17:26] Thanks. [17:27] Riddell: It looks like we'll need some help from someone who can deal with Qt assembler changes. I suspect for such a person just adding the missint IT instructions wouldn't be hard. [17:33] ScottK: bug 490371 is known to you I think? [17:33] Launchpad bug 490371 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Atomic operations not safe for ARMv7,Thumb-2 and multicore" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490371 [17:33] FSVO known, yes. [17:36] We should probably ask dmart to look at that again after we get 4.7.1 in the archive. [17:36] hrw|gone: You don't have a multi-core chip there do you? [17:37] ScottK: I have dualcore A9 [17:37] Oh. OK. [17:37] ScottK: want account for tests? [17:37] hrw|gone: I don't know enough about it to be useful. [17:37] ok [17:37] but I do not run x11 on it by default [17:38] kontact beta makes my system super sugglish [17:39] shadeslayer: do you get that too? [17:39] i get no mail in kontact [17:39] so [17:39] my system does not get sluggy [17:39] maybe because you get no mail :P [17:39] oh [17:39] now the imap resource crashed [17:39] time to stop reading mails clearly [17:41] * apachelogger wonders why his printer is apparently for more than 6 hours sitting in salzburg [17:43] apachelogger: It's been well known for a long time if you want working imap in Kontact, you use dimap. I doubt that's changed. [17:43] ScottK: I am using akonadi [17:43] also [17:43] my nowplaying plasmoid is broken [17:43] i cant close it [17:43] oh [17:43] its stuck to my plasma [17:44] then more likely plasma is broken [17:44] someone give me a plasma wrench [17:44] plasmoids aint have no control over this [17:44] apachelogger: all other plasmoids close fine [17:44] and that is suppsoed to proof that it is not plasma's fault? :P [17:44] its someones fault [17:45] hm [17:45] how about yours :P [17:45] cause it closes fine here [17:45] your choice [17:45] either plasma or you :P [17:45] plasma it is [17:45] perfect choice [17:47] ->study... cya latetr [18:02] i think kmail finally started working .... [18:18] * apachelogger has fancy ideas [18:20] Riddell: check out my solution to the config conflict approach ;) [18:22] ScottK: we probably should publicly announce DarkwingDuck as loco liaison [18:22] apachelogger: I'd love to but I'm about to go and give a talk on Qt to some tech meetup [18:22] oh :( [18:22] apachelogger: We need a KC meeting to bless UDS decisions first. Particularly something like that which isn't technical. [18:22] Riddell: have fun at the talk :) [18:23] ScottK: good point [18:23] ScottK: I hear you are volunteering to organize it :P [18:23] apachelogger: I need to write my specs first. [18:23] oh dear [18:23] hold ups, hold ups [18:23] specs are old fashioned, I don't think anyone writes them any more [18:23] well [18:23] it's all work items now [18:23] * apachelogger finds spec unsuited for most of the kubuntu stuff anyway [18:24] Having a meeting deadline would be motivational. [18:24] we did not really have much hardcore tech stuff and things [18:24] Yeah, the ones I really need to work on are for backports, but I do want one on translations. [18:24] Riddell: they make sense if we had large scale software developments or stuff [18:24] which we do not have, since jt bailed on us ^^ [18:25] Him and that slacker shtylman. [18:25] shtylman has almost reached nixternal levels of productivity now. [18:26] Speaking of which ... [18:26] :O [18:26] shtylman: We you willing to commit to doing the arm effeciency work we talked about? [18:26] If you are, I need to mail you hardware. [18:26] If I mail you hardware, you need to do it .... [18:27] * apachelogger thinks that mailing hardware is the key to all of this [18:28] * apachelogger remembers that he wanted to rename kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, assigned the task to shadeslayer and yet it is not renamed... [18:28] ScottK: did you find anyone else? [18:29] shtylman: I didn't look because I wasn't sure if you wanted to do it. [18:29] Want me to look first? [18:29] that would be good :) [18:29] OK [18:29] if there is a student or someone at a compant that can devote the serious time [18:29] that would be much better [18:30] Maybe maco should do it. [18:30] nobody can reach my levels of productivity. idling ain't easy! [18:31] nixternal: That's why I said approaching. [18:31] shtylman just spoke, so not even close to approaching. once shtylman stops giving a shit, then maybe he can reach my productivity level :p [18:32] hahaha [18:37] ScottK: kscreenlocker uses kdm's pam now [18:37] * apachelogger thinks the pam should be named kde, but oh well [18:37] Great. [18:38] apachelogger: How about kcheckpass? [18:38] ScottK: kcheckpass is used by kscreenlocker [18:39] * apachelogger checks [18:39] Oh [18:39] me@avatar:~/src/bzr/kdebase-workspace/debian$ /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kcheckpass; echo $? [18:39] Password: [18:39] 0 [18:39] works too [18:39] Sounds like those files can go. [18:42] [kdebase-workspace] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101110184207-z151assrdzet472a * debian/ (4 files) Remove kscreensaver and kcheckpass pam files, they were not used and a quick check unveales that their associated tools both seem to use KDM's PAM file. [18:42]