[05:27] <kaushal> hi
[05:27] <kaushal> can someone please guide me about writing Makefiles ?
[05:29] <darkrose> http://mrbook.org/tutorials/make/
[05:30] <kaushal> darkrose: Thanks
[05:30] <kaushal> Also just curious to know what is the main purpose of .h files
[05:30] <kaushal> I mean header files
[05:33] <darkrose> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Header_file
[12:18] <lalya> hello?
[12:18] <nisshh> hi
[12:18] <nisshh> ok, so what dont you understand?
[12:19] <lalya> i just installed ubuntu 10.10
[12:19] <nisshh> yeah
[12:19] <lalya> but I dont like that when I start up my laptop
[12:19] <lalya> there's that ugly grub menu with a bunch of options..
[12:19] <lalya> is it possible to delete it
[12:19] <nisshh> ah
[12:19] <lalya> and just run ubuntu first option?
[12:19] <nisshh> lalya, are you dual booting windows and ubuntu?
[12:19] <lalya> i tried to see in administration if there were any settings control it
[12:20] <lalya> but there's nothing
[12:20] <lalya> yes
[12:20] <nisshh> ah ok
[12:20] <lalya> I have both win and ubuntu now
[12:20] <nisshh> do you still want to use windows?
[12:20] <lalya> the problem is this
[12:20] <lalya> windows already has its boot menu
[12:20] <lalya> but when i choose linux
[12:20] <nisshh> yes
[12:20] <lalya> then it comes up this grub menu also
[12:20] <nisshh> yeah
[12:20] <lalya> i just would like to bypass that
[12:21] <nisshh> grub is ubuntu's "boot menu"
[12:21] <lalya> and when i click linux i get ubuntu straight
[12:21] <nisshh> lalya, are you by chance using Wubi?
[12:21] <lalya> is there any setting like "skip grub"?
[12:21] <lalya> I dont know i just installed this ubuntu yesterday.... i dont know anything :(
[12:22] <lalya> wubi is a brand of wurstel here :(
[12:22] <lalya> but i dont think u mean that
[12:22] <nisshh> thats ok
[12:22] <nisshh> i know what you are using
[12:23] <nisshh> lalya, im not sure that there is a way of not showing grub at startup
[12:23] <nisshh> but i can certainly show you how to make it so it shows for a few seconds then automatically boots you into linux
[12:23] <nisshh> although
[12:23] <lalya> ohh
[12:23] <nisshh> you will have to use the command line
[12:24] <lalya> yes if possible we can put to.. 1 seconds
[12:24] <lalya> or even 0,5
[12:24] <nisshh> there is no GUI for this
[12:24] <lalya> i know how to open terminal
[12:24] <nisshh> ok
[12:24] <nisshh> !it
[12:24] <lalya> i dont like italians :(
[12:25] <lalya> they are rude
[12:25] <nisshh> ok
[12:25] <nisshh> anyway
[12:25] <nisshh> there is a way to make grub not show at boot, i just remembered how
[12:26] <lalya> oh oh! :)
[12:26] <lalya> thats good!
[12:26] <nisshh> yeah
[12:26] <lalya> how? i am in termina
[12:26] <lalya> terminal
[12:27] <nisshh> lalya, one moment, i just need to make sure its the same (grub has changed, im not familiar with the new version)
[12:29] <nisshh> lalya, ok, are you ready?
[12:29] <nisshh> lalya, ?
[12:31] <nisshh> lalya, you still there?
[12:31] <lalya> yes
[12:31] <lalya> im here!
[12:31] <nisshh> :)
[12:31] <lalya> ready to try the trick
[12:31] <nisshh> thought you had nicked off :)
[12:31] <lalya> if its available
[12:31] <lalya> no no i'm here!!
[12:31] <nisshh> yes
[12:31] <nisshh> it should work
[12:31] <lalya> im positive that we can do it
[12:32] <nisshh> so, open a terminal
[12:32] <lalya> yues
[12:32] <lalya> im there
[12:32] <nisshh> and in there please type this command exactly and hit enter: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[12:33] <nisshh> but DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THAT FILE YET
[12:33] <lalya> done!
[12:33] <lalya> it opens a notepad
[12:33] <lalya> a sort of notepad
[12:33] <nisshh> a notebad?
[12:33] <nisshh> notepad?
[12:33] <lalya> well a text editor
[12:33] <nisshh> yeah
[12:33] <nisshh> thats what it should open
[12:34] <nisshh> lalya, ok, in that file there should be a line similar to this: GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[12:34] <nisshh> find that line
[12:35] <lalya> oh yes
[12:35] <lalya> there's exactly that string
[12:35] <nisshh> ok
[12:35] <nisshh> good
[12:36] <lalya> do i have to put it at zero??
[12:36] <nisshh> yes
[12:36] <nisshh> just change the 10 to 0
[12:36] <nisshh> NOTHING ELSE
[12:36] <lalya> ok!!
[12:36] <lalya> when i press SAVE
[12:36] <lalya> in the terminal behind that text editor
[12:36] <lalya> i see some strings
[12:36] <lalya> like
[12:36] <nisshh> lalya, sorry if im being a bit paranoid, its just that playing with the boot files can be a bit crazy sometimes
[12:37] <lalya> error: line26: bad flagvector
[12:37] <nisshh> its easy to break grub
[12:37] <lalya> and same for line 3, 7, 10, 12.. and others...
[12:37] <lalya> should i ignore them?
[12:37] <nisshh> lalya, dont worry about those, they are just output from gedit
[12:37] <lalya> ok.. lets reboot and see...
[12:37] <nisshh> no, not yet!
[12:37] <lalya> ohh 
[12:38] <nisshh> save and close the file
[12:38] <lalya> i did
[12:38] <lalya> i also closed terminal
[12:38] <nisshh> and now we need to execute a command
[12:38] <nisshh> ok
[12:38] <nisshh> open another terminal
[12:38] <lalya> yes
[12:38] <nisshh> and run this command exactly like this: sudo update-grub
[12:39] <lalya> oh
[12:39] <nisshh> let me know when thats done
[12:39] <lalya> it did some things
[12:39] <nisshh> yeah
[12:39] <lalya> found linux image and bla bla bla
[12:39] <nisshh> yeah
[12:39] <lalya> and then at the end .. done
[12:39] <nisshh> thats normal
[12:39] <nisshh> ok
[12:39] <nisshh> now that is done
[12:39] <lalya> should i reboot?
[12:39] <nisshh> NOW you can reboot :)
[12:39] <nisshh> go for it
[12:40] <lalya> oh!
[12:40] <lalya> dev/sda3: Hard Disk Failure
[12:41] <lalya> be safe!! :)) I was kidding!!
[12:41] <lalya> it worked flawlessy :)
[12:41] <nisshh> that wasnt funny
[12:41] <nisshh> i almost died :)
[12:41] <lalya> eheheh dont worry :)) its all okay!!
[12:41] <nisshh> good
[12:41] <nisshh> lalya, anything else i can help you with?
[12:42] <lalya> another little things! this is easier i think
[12:42] <lalya> everytime i boot up this ubuntu
[12:42] <lalya> and also now it did
[12:42] <nisshh> yep
[12:42] <lalya> it asks for the password to unlock the key-thing
[12:42] <lalya> why?
[12:42] <nisshh> you mean it asks you to login?
[12:42] <lalya> no its something different
[12:42] <lalya> something about that something needs the password
[12:42] <lalya> to access
[12:43] <lalya> and if i dont put it
[12:43] <lalya> the app will not start
[12:43] <nisshh> ah
[12:43] <nisshh> which application is this?
[12:43] <lalya> i will reboot again to see better
[12:43] <lalya> what it asks
[12:43] <nisshh> yeah
[12:44] <lalya> ok 
[12:44] <lalya> the windows says
[12:44] <lalya> "insert the password of the keychain" default to unlock it"
[12:45] <lalya> an application wants to access to keychain default but this is blocked
[12:45] <lalya> it doesnt say which application is
[12:45] <nisshh> lalya, which application are you trying to open when this happens?
[12:45] <lalya> but i didnt install anything
[12:45] <lalya> i dont know, because it happens at boot
[12:45] <lalya> I dont do anything
[12:45] <nisshh> it happens at boot?
[12:46] <lalya> i just have to unlock this "keychain" with the password
[12:46] <lalya> otherwise i cannot go on
[12:46] <nisshh> ok
[12:46] <nisshh> does it happen before the login screen or after the login screen?
[12:46] <lalya> can we disable this keychain
[12:46] <lalya> so all applications can access it without asking me^
[12:46] <lalya> i dont have any login screen
[12:46] <lalya> just that popup
[12:47] <nisshh> ah
[12:47] <nisshh> ok
[12:47] <lalya> i see already the desktop and i can move thru menus
[12:47] <nisshh> right
[12:47] <nisshh> so this pops up AFTER you get to the desktop?
[12:47] <lalya> but i cannot click on menus until i enter the password there, to unlock that thing
[12:47] <darkrose> auto login forces gnome keyring to require auth
[12:47] <nisshh> yeah
[12:47] <lalya> it pop ups ..while booting
[12:47] <nisshh> what darkrose said
[12:48] <lalya> oh yes, its keyring not keychain lol my bad english
[12:48] <lalya> thanks rose :)
[12:48] <nisshh> lalya, if you disable auto login, you will have to login, but you wont have to unlock the keyring
[12:48] <lalya> rose or nish, is it possible to prevent keyring to ask authorization and handle this automatically?
[12:49] <nisshh> lalya, its probably possible but 1) its a bad idea and 2) i dont know how
[12:49] <lalya> i prefer the login screen
[12:49] <nisshh> yeah
[12:49] <lalya> than this thing asking auth
[12:49] <nisshh> yeah
[12:49] <lalya> because on the login screen
[12:49] <jfer> it can be done buy setting the keychain password to nothing
[12:49] <lalya> i can use my finger with the fingerstrip
[12:49] <lalya> and dont need to type anything. here instead i have to input password by text
[12:50] <nisshh> so just go to System > Administration > Login screen and disable the auto login
[12:50] <lalya> but... this keyring asking auth.. shows up to everyone of you then? :(
[12:50] <nisshh> no
[12:50] <nisshh> i have auto login disabled
[12:50] <lalya> but I made a default installation...
[12:50] <nisshh> so it doesnt
[12:50] <lalya> so by default, they put?
[12:51] <nisshh> lalya, you must have fiddled with a setting
[12:51] <lalya> well yes
[12:51] <lalya> during the installation
[12:51] <lalya> it asked for username bla bla bla and pass
[12:51] <lalya> usual things
[12:51] <lalya> so i typed...
[12:51] <nisshh> yeah
[12:52] <lalya> hmmm
[12:52] <lalya> i dont see in system
[12:52] <lalya> administration
[12:52] <lalya> login screen...
[12:52] <lalya> theres... system monitor
[12:52] <lalya> users and groups..
[12:52] <lalya> language support..
[12:54] <nisshh> lalya, it is there
[12:56] <lalya> settings of the access screen?
[12:57] <nisshh> lalya, theres a menu option called "Login Screen"
[12:57] <lalya> i have it in italian unfortunately
[12:57] <nisshh> ah ok
[12:57] <lalya> anyway i opened that menu
[12:57] <lalya> and
[12:57] <lalya> there are some voices in it
[12:57] <lalya> at computer start:
[12:57] <nisshh> voices?
[12:57] <lalya> reproduce a sound
[12:57] <lalya> show the user list
[12:57] <nisshh> thats the one
[12:58] <lalya> show the screen select user...
[12:58] <lalya> oh good
[12:58] <nisshh> there should be an option in there about auto login
[12:58] <lalya> there's then..
[12:58] <nisshh> find that, and disable it
[12:58] <lalya> access with *thinkpad* automatically
[12:58] <lalya> yes its checked!
[12:58] <nisshh> ah ok
[12:58] <lalya> but to uncheck it
[12:59] <lalya> i have to check something else
[12:59] <nisshh> which is?
[12:59] <lalya> i guess..
[12:59] <lalya> show the screen to select user
[12:59] <nisshh> thats what you want
[12:59] <nisshh> tick that one
[12:59] <nisshh> im pretty sure anyway
[12:59] <lalya> ok
[13:00] <nisshh> based on you translating the italian
[13:00] <lalya> yes
[13:00] <lalya> i'm rebooting to see
[13:00] <nisshh> lalya, anyway, for future reference, #ubuntu-it is where italians should go for support
[13:01] <nisshh> this is for Australians this channel
[13:01] <lalya> thanks!!
[13:01] <lalya> all correct
[13:01] <lalya> now i can use my finger to access :)
[13:01] <nisshh> cool
[13:01] <lalya> oh noooo :((
[13:01] <lalya> the pop up came again!
[13:01] <lalya> dammit :/ why?
[13:02] <nisshh> i dunno
[13:02] <lalya> now i have both login screen, and after... that popup with keyring
[13:02] <nisshh> during installation, did you tick the option to "Encrypt my home directory"?
[13:02] <jfer> the keyrong is required to access some programs
[13:02] <lalya> who wants to access that keychain?
[13:02] <jfer> are you using a wifi netowrk?
[13:02] <lalya> yes!
[13:02] <lalya> you are right!!
[13:02] <nisshh> good thinking jfer :)
[13:02] <lalya> now that i see..
[13:03] <jfer> is it encrypted?
[13:03] <lalya> there's no wifi at top
[13:03] <lalya> until i input the pass!
[13:03] <lalya> yes
[13:03] <nisshh> yeah
[13:03]  * nisshh highfives jfer
[13:03] <jfer> because if it is it needs the keychain to unlock it
[13:03] <nisshh> nice one
[13:03] <lalya> ohhh
[13:03] <lalya> but we can modify the wifi 
[13:03] <jfer> i had this problem on my netbook
[13:03] <lalya> not to ask for the keyring?
[13:04] <jfer> you can set the keyring password to blank
[13:04] <nisshh> lalya, not unless you want to leave your wifi unprotected (meaning anyone can access it)
[13:04] <lalya> but..
[13:04] <jfer> that is how i solved the problem
[13:04] <lalya> if i put a blank password
[13:04] <lalya> then also terminal sudo etc..
[13:04] <lalya> will see a blank password?
[13:04] <lalya> or the keychain is something different?
[13:04] <jfer> it is different
[13:04] <lalya> ohhh
[13:04] <nisshh> yeah
[13:04] <lalya> ok! then if u can..
[13:05] <lalya> tell me how can i blank this keychain
[13:05] <jfer> the keychain stores passwords for other stuff
[13:05] <lalya> i dont need it
[13:05] <nisshh> jfer, would you mind taking over, i have to go afk
[13:05] <jfer> sure
[13:05] <lalya> thanks
[13:05] <nisshh> thanks :)
[13:05] <lalya> for ur great help
[13:05] <lalya> nish!!
[13:05] <nisshh> no probs lalya :)
[13:05] <lalya> hope to see you again someday
[13:05] <nisshh> hehe
[13:05] <jfer> ok
[13:05] <lalya> for maybe other helps
[13:05] <lalya> sorry for the heart attack
[13:06] <nisshh> lol
[13:06] <lalya> about the hdd failure
[13:06] <lalya> lol
[13:06]  * nisshh is away
[13:06] <lalya> so jfer.. where should i go to empty the keychain?§
[13:06] <jfer> goto system->preferences->passwords and encryption keys
[13:07] <lalya> oh yes
[13:07] <lalya> i see 
[13:07] <lalya> password: default
[13:07] <lalya> and
[13:07] <lalya> password: login
[13:07] <jfer> under default you should see infromation about the wifi yes?
[13:07] <lalya> yes
[13:08] <lalya> network secret..etc
[13:08] <jfer> ok right click on default
[13:08] <lalya> yes
[13:08] <jfer> click change password
[13:08] <lalya> properties, delete, block, change pass
[13:08] <lalya> ohhh should be all clear
[13:08] <lalya> i input my pass
[13:08] <lalya> and then the 2 blanks
[13:08] <jfer> yep
[13:09] <jfer> it should give a warning
[13:09] <lalya> yes
[13:09] <lalya> now i reboot and see :)
[13:09] <jfer> but just accept it
[13:10] <lalya> all okay!!!
[13:10] <lalya> no more passwords
[13:10] <jfer> great!
[13:10] <lalya> and. on the other hand...
[13:10] <lalya> wifi has even more signal
[13:10] <lalya> lol
[13:11] <lalya> thanks a lot lot!!!
[13:11] <jfer> your welcome
[13:11] <jfer> see you i nest get some sleep
[13:11] <lalya> i hope to get used to ubuntu soon
[13:11] <lalya> have a nice sleep or nap
[13:11] <jfer> i am sure you will
[13:11] <lalya> whatever that is :)
[13:11] <lalya> ops.. yeah in australia should be late already
[13:11] <jfer> stick with it
[13:11] <lalya> its lunch time here still
[13:11] <jfer> it is 11:11pm
[13:12] <lalya> goodnite and take care!
[13:12] <jfer> enjoy the rest of your day
[13:12] <lalya> thanks :)
[13:21] <sagaci> quail: nice linux letter
[13:22] <sagaci> quail: published in times new roman, love it
[13:52] <quail> sagaci: huh?
[13:55] <sagaci> quail: the letter your forwarded about the article in the Advertiser
[14:01] <quail> ah yeah, it was a good read
[18:50] <head_victim> blahdeblah: well my sync will be finished today, if you wanted to drop over and sync off it you'd be welcome to. Easier to keep that up to date then.